Re: [Talk-us] Special issues in LA remap
Steve All wrote: > Now, when and how will this bot run? Over the entire planet.osm? > In something like one-degree of latitude at a time swaths? (That's > just a guess). Can you sense my frustration when I feel like I > should be able to "just go and find these things out" (maybe in a > big, all-encompassing "License Change -- what you need to know, > do and not do" wiki page), but it really does appear to be a > challenge? I believe the intention is to do a trial run over Ireland first. Ireland is almost completely ODbL/CT-compliant (http://odbl.poole.ch/ireland-20120601-20120531-poly.html) so it should prove a safe testing ground. This should hopefully be in early July, but we've not had a great track record on dates so far. ;) The decision on how to proceed for the rest of the planet will then be taken in the light of that. As with everything in OSM, our internal comms are limited by manpower and willingness to "step up to the plate". Generally the people doing the work are too busy doing the work to write a wiki page... twas ever thus. So I'm telling you what I know, but there's always scope to get involved - even if it's just by stopping in at #osm-dev from time to time and finding out what's going on. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Special-issues-in-LA-remap-tp5711500p5712872.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Los Angeles area status
On 6/14/2012 9:31 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: I'm not sure I blame him, in theory, for not agreeing to something unseen, being solely at the mercy of the masses - the same ones that approved this change to begin with. Actually there wasn't even that level of approval. The current license change never went to a vote (all the votes people will cite are to "move forward with the process" of planning for a possible license change). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Huffmeister Road near Cypress, TX
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 22:23 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: > > > > Using Potlatch 1's "undelete" function I found the IDs of the > > Huffmeister Road you mentioned: > > > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/15457600 and > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/89356566 (for example) > > Is this "undelete" still present in Potlatch 2? > Nope. > > > From the history for this ways > > (http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=15457600 > > and http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=89356566) I don't see an > > obvious reason for the delete, so I recommend that you send a message > > to the mappers that deleted the road and ask them why they did it. > > Messages are in progress now. > Excellent! > > > If you're in the area, feel free to fix it yourself if you know the > > road is there. > > I would if I had more confidence in what I was doing. I may still try, > but I'm going to see what the response is from both of the mappers that > did the deletes. > > I'm still getting the hang of this. This is much more interesting than > Wikipedia, but at the same time, much harder to figure out. Welcome to OSM. Glad you're sticking to it. We know editing is rather tricky (it's tough to begin with and our tools aren't the easiest to grasp for beginners), but I'm sure you'll get lots of help if you ask for it. Since you mentioned you were on IRC (and I remember seeing your question -- I didn't have time to answer right then), I suggest hanging out there and asking questions as they come up. There's almost always someone there who can help. Except for the one time when you asked before. :) -Ian ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Huffmeister Road near Cypress, TX
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > Anyone know why a huge chunk of Huffmeister Road near Cypress, Texas > (US) is now missing? I have had no luck looking through the past > changesets to see what happened and neither has anyone on IRC when I've > asked. Can you provide a link to the area using the Permalink feature in the lower right corner of openstreetmap.org? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Huffmeister Road near Cypress, TX
Anyone know why a huge chunk of Huffmeister Road near Cypress, Texas (US) is now missing? I have had no luck looking through the past changesets to see what happened and neither has anyone on IRC when I've asked. -- Shawn K. Quinn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Los Angeles area status
> Despite the work of hundreds of mappers over the last few years, and the tireless work of several dedicated re-mappers, the map will look very different in much of this 4,250 square mile (11,000 sq km) area - among the top 20 economies of the world - if the redaction bot is run here. It's amazing how much "red" is still left in LA. Perhaps we could chop away at this red blob quicker if we got everyone else in the US to help. But this might be hard to get people to help because many people may hate remapping (like me) and would rather add new things to the map or improve stuff that's already there, instead of wasting their time remapping. Despite my hatred for remapping, I think I'll be willing to help out down in LA. Our time is running out, because the redaction bot is getting closer and closer to deployment (it is passing more and more tests). Therefore, we need everyone to help ASAP! > Much of the unclean data is because of a single declining user - "blars", who does _not_ actually disagree with the ODBL license. His only problem was the open-ended clause in the CT that allows a future change in license without approval of the individual contributors (only a super-majority I think). I'm not sure I blame him, in theory, for not agreeing to something unseen, being solely at the mercy of the masses - the same ones that approved this change to begin with. If I were Blars I would accept the license because if I don't then all my hard work would be deleted. But his reasons for disagreeing are plausible and OSMF should have been more aware of the things before going ahead with the license change. Maybe Blars needs some more convincing in order to click the "accept" button. Has he/she been made aware of the damage that'll be done to the map due to his/her failure to accept the license change because he/she had just a minor problem with it? > The problem is not limited to LA, either. Other areas that light up at zoom 4 include much of Japan (especially the area around Tokyo and the south), Australia (Sydney, Adelaide, Perth), Dominican Republic, most of Poland and Kosovo, Moscow and St. Petersburg (Russia), parts of eastern and northern Germany, Thessaloniki and other areas of Greece, even London. Some other areas of the US are the SF Bay area in CA, Salt Lake City, Austin (TX), Columbia (SC), > I'd like a clear answer from the "powers that be" about why they feel it is OK to move forward, given all the damage that will be done. I would have really appreciated it if OSMF would have helped out with remapping problem areas. After all, they were the ones who are forcing this upon us, so why can't they help out? I am serious; I really think that OSMF should help out! Time is running out, and the goal is to get the redaction bot to do as little work as possible. It ought to spend the minimum amount of time in this area. Anyway, I should shut up and help out down in LA! -Compdude ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Los Angeles area status
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: > Just to put a picture to the words, for those not necessarily familiar with > what we're talking about re: the Los Angeles re-map, here's a pic from OSM > Inspector of most of Los Angeles, Orange, and western San Bernardino > counties as of 2012-06-14 20:10 UTC: > http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/LI.LA.20120614T2010Z.jpg thank you. so what can i do to help? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Los Angeles area status
Just to put a picture to the words, for those not necessarily familiar with what we're talking about re: the Los Angeles re-map, here's a pic from OSM Inspector of most of Los Angeles, Orange, and western San Bernardino counties as of 2012-06-14 20:10 UTC: http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/LI.LA.20120614T2010Z.jpg Here's the link to the area in OSMI: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-118.12315&lat=33.97277&zoom=10&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created The clean parts on the right are San Bernardino County. The clean parts at the upper left are West LA and some of the San Fernando Valley. At the lower left, parts of the south bay and south LA are clean. The dense red parts are eastern San Fernando Valley, much of the San Gabriel Valley, mid-south Orange County. Despite the work of hundreds of mappers over the last few years, and the tireless work of several dedicated re-mappers, the map will look very different in much of this 4,250 square mile (11,000 sq km) area - among the top 20 economies of the world - if the redaction bot is run here. Much of the unclean data is because of a single declining user - "blars", who does _not_ actually disagree with the ODBL license. His only problem was the open-ended clause in the CT that allows a future change in license without approval of the individual contributors (only a super-majority I think). I'm not sure I blame him, in theory, for not agreeing to something unseen, being solely at the mercy of the masses - the same ones that approved this change to begin with. The problem is not limited to LA, either. Other areas that light up at zoom 4 include much of Japan (especially the area around Tokyo and the south), Australia (Sydney, Adelaide, Perth), Dominican Republic, most of Poland and Kosovo, Moscow and St. Petersburg (Russia), parts of eastern and northern Germany, Thessaloniki and other areas of Greece, even London. Some other areas of the US are the SF Bay area in CA, Salt Lake City, Austin (TX), Columbia (SC), I'd like a clear answer from the "powers that be" about why they feel it is OK to move forward, given all the damage that will be done. -- Alan Mintz ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Special issues in LA remap
>From http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rebuild/2012-June/000256.html: "Redaction bot is almost done. This weekend have seen a lot of improvements to the redaction bot. The number of failing test cases are down from around 20 to 2. The work that remains is the interface to the database and all small bits and pieces that is needed for the bot to run, and of course testing." So you don't need to guess - it's pretty much done already. The code, should you feel in a hackish mood, is at https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change . Alternatively you could ask things on the rebuild@ list, or on #osm-dev on IRC. Personally my favourite line is "Doctor Feelgood" => "Drive Feelgood", cheers Richard Thank you for these pointers, Richard. I am checking out (well, not literally "checking out" as in "I'm going to hack on it" but rather "observing") the code now. I did not know there is also a rebuild@ list, and while I know about #osm-dev on IRC, I have never visited or chatted/lurked there. (I may not be alone on either of those, either). Now, when and how will this bot run? Over the entire planet.osm? In something like one-degree of latitude at a time swaths? (That's just a guess). Can you sense my frustration when I feel like I should be able to "just go and find these things out" (maybe in a big, all-encompassing "License Change -- what you need to know, do and not do" wiki page), but it really does appear to be a challenge? My grade this week for "internal OSM communication" (amongst members who both know and want to know): Better! Thank you for these answers. I am finding that talk-us really can and does work (though it is a bit klunky, and even so, I'll take it). SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
