Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
On 3/18/2015 4:20 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Levittown, New York, for instance is a hamlet with a population of over fifty thousand. This is not a hamlet. Typically a hamlet would have less than 100-200 people. What you've described is a town or a city, this is regardless of if it has incorporated. It does not matter if it is defined as a hamlet in New York law. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] GIS/SIG conference, Rochester NY, April 14th
[my apologies for the original subject line, i realized i hadn't changed it right after i hit send. i'm resending with a better one to make sure that nobody who is potentially interested misses the announcement] On 3/19/15 3:47 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i have been asked to pass this along; the conference organizers are interested in increasing communication with the OpenStreetMap community and there is at least one presentation about OSM on the agenda. i'm told the conference schedule will be posted tomorrow. i have registered to attend, so there will be at least one OSMer going. Forwarded Message GIS/SIG is pleased to announce an outstanding lineup of speakers for our upcoming 24th Annual Conference, to be held on Tuesday, April 14th in Rochester. Online registration is now open. Early registration discount ends April 1st. Registration Link: www.tinyurl.com/GISSIG2015 Keynote Address Frank Giuffrida, Pictometry International – The Potential Impact of UAV Systems on Remote Sensing and GIS Speaker List • Susan Nixon, City of Ithaca – Google Street View of Ithaca Trails and Gorges • Mickey Dietrich, Tug Hill Commission – QGIS, What can it do for me? • Cheryl Benjamin, NYS ITS – Street Address Maintenance (SAM) Program • Sam Wear, Westchester County – Government Map Services: Complimentary or Superior to Data Portals for Geospatial Data Sharing and Distribution? • Jonathan Cobb, Waypoint Technologies – Bringing GPS Accuracy to the Masses • Brian Pitre, SkyOp – Introduction to UAV’s • Greg Hale, Hale TIP – UAV’s for 3D Scanning • Mark Scott, ESRI – ArcGIS Pro – The Evolution of Desktop GIS • Mark Scott, ESRI – How Mapping and GIS are Transforming the Work Environment • Mike Staples, City of Rochester – Collector for ArcGIS as a Mobile Front End for Asset and Work Order Management • Pam Delaney, City of Rochester – High-Impact Retail Exclusion Areas: Automated Mapping and Web Application • Tom Hynes, Ulster County – Understanding and Leveraging OpenStreetMap Data • Justin Cole, Monroe County – Pictometry Online in ArcGIS Desktop • Paul Richards, SUNY Brockport – Mapping Septic Fields Using Pictometry Oblique Imagery and LIDAR Hillshade • Web Adams, US Census Bureau – Working with Census Data Workshop • Rachael Herman, Dewberry – Navigating FEMA Risk MAP • Nina Raqueno, RIT – Chasing the TIRS Ghosts: Calibrating the Landsat 8 Thermal Bands • Student Lightning Talks For more information please visit: http://www.gis-sig.org/conference.html -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)
Speaking of rail mapping: I noticed something that could use some attention. The key old_railway_operator=* is used ~90K times, but almost entirely in the US. [1] It has a *really* minimal wiki page. [2] And I don't see it mentioned on the main Railways page [3] or the US Railways project page [4]. (though I did see it on the California Railroads page you linked to) At minimum, I'm thinking some additional documentation would be good. Also wondering if the US OSM rail community is doing things differently from the rest of the world? Or maybe the rest of the world is still using their railroads! :) Thanks, Brad [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_railway_operator [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Aold_railway_operator [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railways [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/Railways On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:56 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Railroads now documents an early alpha state of OSM rail in California. Especially if you are a railfan in California, please have a look. Or, if you are a rail enthusiast in another state, and want a template with which to jump-start better OSM rail completion in your neck of the woods, please copy what you might from this wiki. It is a little bit stubby (some missing elements in the tables...) but it should provide a good launch pad for either a California railfan or an OSM mapper who wants to ignite a similar venture in another state. As is true of so many things OSM: there remains much more to do, but look what we've already done! http://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=enlat=37lon=-96zoom= 5style=standard Regards and happy mapping (whether rail or another sort), SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)
Speaking of rail mapping: I noticed something that could use some attention. The key old_railway_operator=* is used ~90K times, but almost entirely in the US. [1] It has a *really* minimal wiki page. [2] And I don't see it mentioned on the main Railways page [3] or the US Railways project page [4]. (though I did see it on the California Railroads page you linked to) At minimum, I'm thinking some additional documentation would be good. Also wondering if the US OSM rail community is doing things differently from the rest of the world? Or maybe the rest of the world is still using their railroads! :) Thanks, Brad Hi Brad: I have run into devotees of old_railway_operator=* and respect the tag by leaving it be where I encounter it, though I don't go out of my way to add it unless I have absolute positive knowledge of it (rarely to never). Along with other things historic it can ignite passion and arguments, yes. Suffice to say that it is important to the not-altogether-exclusively-USA concept of trackage rights which are sometimes complex leasing arrangements by rail owners and operators to allow mixes of freight and passenger services on given sets of rail infrastructure. The good news is that in the USA, the Surface Transportation Board makes all such trackage rights a matter of public record, so with some (tedious) work, we COULD properly tag all rail in the USA with a set of tags to reflect these complexities. However, it would be a lengthy, detailed task. This would, of course, begin with good documentation to do so, which you point out doesn't seem to exist. Precluding this, of course, is an OSM wiki volunteer with this knowledge (or can get it) who is also willing to brain-dump/channel it into proper wiki form. We might have that, we might not. I agree with you that it is a good call to make this more widely known -- there is LOTS in OSM that could use some attention. In California, rail is approximately early alpha. For the USA as a whole, I'd say rail is even before that, in an early development phase. It is rapidly getting better (over months/years, not days/weeks). Discussing (first) and then doing something about old_railway_operator=* (among other things) are going to chip away at even more improvement. That's just how it works. For example (perhaps I open a can of worms), our WikiProject United States railways says that for the most part, North American rail infrastructure has completely skipped route=tracks relations as documented in OpenRailwayMap, jumping right to route=railway relations. This might be OK, or it might not, as I have no idea what ramifications this might have on renderers or routing engines (if any). OK, we document it, and that's good. But...? Again, calling out to that intersection of OSMers and knowledgeable USA rail folks! We can untangle any mess or improve any lack of data in our map if we wish, but we must have excellent real world knowledge. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
On Thursday, March 19, 2015 04:12:45 PM Clifford Snow wrote: I apologize for coming in so late on this thread. Looking at my small county, we have 55 place=hamlet according to an overpass query. (2007 for Washington State) I certainly recognize a number of these hamlets. I would hate to see them removed. I would like to see if any need to be updated to cities, for example Bow and Edison. I wonder if it might be better to add a FIXME to all hamlets asking that someone confirm the hamlet status. Once they have been verified the FIXME can be removed and, hopefully, mappers won't have to re-verify it. --Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] GIS/SIG conference, Rochester NY, April 14th
Richard, Thanks for passing this along. If slides and/or video from the conference are posted I would be interested in viewing them. It is good to see OSM getting some exposure within the GIS community. I spoke about OSM at GIS Day at Colorado State University last fall, and to the GIS Colorado Winter Meeting earlier this year. I don't think I turned many of the participants into OSM mappers, but at least I raised awareness. Mike Mike On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: [my apologies for the original subject line, i realized i hadn't changed it right after i hit send. i'm resending with a better one to make sure that nobody who is potentially interested misses the announcement] On 3/19/15 3:47 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i have been asked to pass this along; the conference organizers are interested in increasing communication with the OpenStreetMap community and there is at least one presentation about OSM on the agenda. i'm told the conference schedule will be posted tomorrow. i have registered to attend, so there will be at least one OSMer going. Forwarded Message GIS/SIG is pleased to announce an outstanding lineup of speakers for our upcoming 24th Annual Conference, to be held on Tuesday, April 14th in Rochester. Online registration is now open. Early registration discount ends April 1st. Registration Link: www.tinyurl.com/GISSIG2015 Keynote Address Frank Giuffrida, Pictometry International – The Potential Impact of UAV Systems on Remote Sensing and GIS Speaker List • Susan Nixon, City of Ithaca – Google Street View of Ithaca Trails and Gorges • Mickey Dietrich, Tug Hill Commission – QGIS, What can it do for me? • Cheryl Benjamin, NYS ITS – Street Address Maintenance (SAM) Program • Sam Wear, Westchester County – Government Map Services: Complimentary or Superior to Data Portals for Geospatial Data Sharing and Distribution? • Jonathan Cobb, Waypoint Technologies – Bringing GPS Accuracy to the Masses • Brian Pitre, SkyOp – Introduction to UAV’s • Greg Hale, Hale TIP – UAV’s for 3D Scanning • Mark Scott, ESRI – ArcGIS Pro – The Evolution of Desktop GIS • Mark Scott, ESRI – How Mapping and GIS are Transforming the Work Environment • Mike Staples, City of Rochester – Collector for ArcGIS as a Mobile Front End for Asset and Work Order Management • Pam Delaney, City of Rochester – High-Impact Retail Exclusion Areas: Automated Mapping and Web Application • Tom Hynes, Ulster County – Understanding and Leveraging OpenStreetMap Data • Justin Cole, Monroe County – Pictometry Online in ArcGIS Desktop • Paul Richards, SUNY Brockport – Mapping Septic Fields Using Pictometry Oblique Imagery and LIDAR Hillshade • Web Adams, US Census Bureau – Working with Census Data Workshop • Rachael Herman, Dewberry – Navigating FEMA Risk MAP • Nina Raqueno, RIT – Chasing the TIRS Ghosts: Calibrating the Landsat 8 Thermal Bands • Student Lightning Talks For more information please visit: http://www.gis-sig.org/conference.html -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for another TIGER tool. I used it to look at some areas and made changes. The map reminds me of another map that MapBox produced several years ago using a slider tool. Useful features: * Timely updates. The old slider map was never updated and lost value after a couple of edits. Oh! I see that my edits showed up. The problem is how do you remove the yellow TIGER data? Yea. this is on my far-out backlog. A live (or daily) updated TIGER diff map, ideally at first showing only major roads. * iD, Potlach, JOSM, remote control features. What do you mean by that? Interesting problems: * The Census staff got the news of sub-prime rate subdivisions. These were plated but are still farmland. It is too early to try and map the subdivision. * I added a sub-prime rate subdivision that had the grading in place with construction tags. The existing Tiger layers provided the names. * I found some areas that had explosive growth. I recall adding the areas because of interesting buildings, etc. The TIGER data still shows roads that have been removed via new development. For example a new commercial area has yellow TIGER roads going through a building. * The false positives that I saw were related to new construction--well it is several years old now. An area was developed. All the existing roads were removed and folded into the new development. The yellow lines remaining were, say, between the secondary road and the first road of the subdivision. The yellow road may have been the original alignment of the secondary or possibly a farm road. Yup. We're cautious and trust the TIGER data only where it coincides w/ imagery and there we trace off the imagery and don't just take the TIGER data. Sometimes you run into situations where you just don't know whether TIGER's right or the imagery (a lot of imagery is pretty old on Bing) - in these cases we just don't touch the data, maybe drop a note. There are also many places where TIGER is just flat out behind - an opportunity for community and government to work more closely together. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: I wouldn’t. The USPS doesn’t recognize it, so mail can not be delivered there. There are no signs either. The USPS is not an always a good choice. I did some googling to see if it is a historical name, but all the results are spam (“Best plumber in Benders Corner, NJ!”) Nobody around here knows what it is. I’m just going to remove it and close out the note. Yet another reason I cannot eat my own dog food. Here's the case where finding the right polygon for a POI would be a useful or just leave it alone. I have to ask how hard did you really search for Bender's Corner? OSM is not a respresentation of a legal subdivisions, acessor parcel numbers and the like. However, having a way for a person to search for Bender's Corner; use OSM to find it on the map; and perhaps route to the area would be a useful feature! Now OSM is the only map where you cannot locate Bender's Corner. It looks like it might be a nice area. http://berkeley-heights-real-estate.com/home-sales-berkeley-heights-nj-new-jersey/ 110 Diamond Hill Rd Benders Corner $299,000 $295,000 63 01/02/2013 http://www.tripmondo.com/united-states/new-jersey/benders-corner/attractions-in-benders-corner/ http://www.city-data.com/nbmaps/neigh-Berkeley-Heights-New-Jersey.html http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/benders-corner-nj/07974/weather-forecast/2174854 http://www.weichert.com/search/realestate/SearchResults.aspx?hood=16925view=map Copyright © 2015 Garden State Multiple Lis ting Service, L.L.C. All rights reserved. On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Would you put bender's corner on a map today? Yes! Bender's Corner is worth a name search to someone. If the barrier to cleaning is too great, not enough cleaning will happen. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Now OSM is the only map where you cannot locate Bender's Corner. It looks like it might be a nice area. http://berkeley-heights-real-estate.com/home-sales-berkeley-heights-nj-new-jersey/ 110 Diamond Hill Rd Benders Corner $299,000 $295,000 63 01/02/2013 http://www.tripmondo.com/united-states/new-jersey/benders-corner/attractions-in-benders-corner/ http://www.city-data.com/nbmaps/neigh-Berkeley-Heights-New-Jersey.html http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/benders-corner-nj/07974/weather-forecast/2174854 http://www.weichert.com/search/realestate/SearchResults.aspx?hood=16925view=map Yeah, but ALL of those are sploggy results, created to attract search engines, using the same original dataset. It's all mindless spam created from GNIS data. Had the GNIS accepted Happy Puppy Land, that would appear the same way. Yes! Bender's Corner is worth a name search to someone. I don't think a human would have cared enough to add Bender's Corner. It's only the GNIS import that brought it to OSM. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
OK, I’ll revert the changeset if if bothers you that much.. On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com mailto:br...@7thposition.com wrote: I wouldn’t. The USPS doesn’t recognize it, so mail can not be delivered there. There are no signs either. The USPS is not an always a good choice. I did some googling to see if it is a historical name, but all the results are spam (“Best plumber in Benders Corner, NJ!”) Nobody around here knows what it is. I’m just going to remove it and close out the note. Yet another reason I cannot eat my own dog food. Here's the case where finding the right polygon for a POI would be a useful or just leave it alone. I have to ask how hard did you really search for Bender's Corner? OSM is not a respresentation of a legal subdivisions, acessor parcel numbers and the like. However, having a way for a person to search for Bender's Corner; use OSM to find it on the map; and perhaps route to the area would be a useful feature! Now OSM is the only map where you cannot locate Bender's Corner. It looks like it might be a nice area. http://berkeley-heights-real-estate.com/home-sales-berkeley-heights-nj-new-jersey/ http://berkeley-heights-real-estate.com/home-sales-berkeley-heights-nj-new-jersey/ 110 Diamond Hill Rd Benders Corner $299,000$295,00063 01/02/2013 http://www.tripmondo.com/united-states/new-jersey/benders-corner/attractions-in-benders-corner/ http://www.tripmondo.com/united-states/new-jersey/benders-corner/attractions-in-benders-corner/ http://www.city-data.com/nbmaps/neigh-Berkeley-Heights-New-Jersey.html http://www.city-data.com/nbmaps/neigh-Berkeley-Heights-New-Jersey.html http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/benders-corner-nj/07974/weather-forecast/2174854 http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/benders-corner-nj/07974/weather-forecast/2174854 http://www.weichert.com/search/realestate/SearchResults.aspx?hood=16925view=map http://www.weichert.com/search/realestate/SearchResults.aspx?hood=16925view=map Copyright © 2015 Garden State Multiple Lis ting Service, L.L.C. All rights reserved. On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com mailto:bry...@obviously.com wrote: Would you put bender's corner on a map today? Yes! Bender's Corner is worth a name search to someone. If the barrier to cleaning is too great, not enough cleaning will happen. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
I apologize for coming in so late on this thread. Looking at my small county, we have 55 place=hamlet according to an overpass query. (2007 for Washington State) I certainly recognize a number of these hamlets. I would hate to see them removed. I would like to see if any need to be updated to cities, for example Bow and Edison. I know for certain that Edison Station is used by locals to describe an intersection with some shops and restaurants. I doubt that more than a couple of dozen people live here. Maybe the problem is how we tag these areas. Instead of place=hamlet, maybe it should be place=known_to_locals_as. Looking at King County, especially Seattle, it appears that a number of the place=hamlet are actually neighborhoods. We have been reluctant to add neighborhood borders because of prior discussions on the mailing list which, in essence, believe that neighborhoods don't have defined borders. While I believe Seattle and others do have defined borders, I really don't want to fight this all over. My suggestion is to encourage people to clean up place=hamlet from local knowledge. I fully concur with Richard Weait that we need to attract more mappers. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: RE: [GISNY-L] looking for historic aerial imagery with open licensing
i have been asked to pass this along; the conference organizers are interested in increasing communication with the OpenStreetMap community and there is at least one presentation about OSM on the agenda. i'm told the conference schedule will be posted tomorrow. i have registered to attend, so there will be at least one OSMer going. Forwarded Message GIS/SIG is pleased to announce an outstanding lineup of speakers for our upcoming 24th Annual Conference, to be held on Tuesday, April 14th in Rochester. Online registration is now open. Early registration discount ends April 1st. Registration Link: www.tinyurl.com/GISSIG2015 Keynote Address Frank Giuffrida, Pictometry International – The Potential Impact of UAV Systems on Remote Sensing and GIS Speaker List • Susan Nixon, City of Ithaca – Google Street View of Ithaca Trails and Gorges • Mickey Dietrich, Tug Hill Commission – QGIS, What can it do for me? • Cheryl Benjamin, NYS ITS – Street Address Maintenance (SAM) Program • Sam Wear, Westchester County – Government Map Services: Complimentary or Superior to Data Portals for Geospatial Data Sharing and Distribution? • Jonathan Cobb, Waypoint Technologies – Bringing GPS Accuracy to the Masses • Brian Pitre, SkyOp – Introduction to UAV’s • Greg Hale, Hale TIP – UAV’s for 3D Scanning • Mark Scott, ESRI – ArcGIS Pro – The Evolution of Desktop GIS • Mark Scott, ESRI – How Mapping and GIS are Transforming the Work Environment • Mike Staples, City of Rochester – Collector for ArcGIS as a Mobile Front End for Asset and Work Order Management • Pam Delaney, City of Rochester – High-Impact Retail Exclusion Areas: Automated Mapping and Web Application • Tom Hynes, Ulster County – Understanding and Leveraging OpenStreetMap Data • Justin Cole, Monroe County – Pictometry Online in ArcGIS Desktop • Paul Richards, SUNY Brockport – Mapping Septic Fields Using Pictometry Oblique Imagery and LIDAR Hillshade • Web Adams, US Census Bureau – Working with Census Data Workshop • Rachael Herman, Dewberry – Navigating FEMA Risk MAP • Nina Raqueno, RIT – Chasing the TIRS Ghosts: Calibrating the Landsat 8 Thermal Bands • Student Lightning Talks For more information please visit: http://www.gis-sig.org/conference.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
I wouldn’t. The USPS doesn’t recognize it, so mail can not be delivered there. There are no signs either. I did some googling to see if it is a historical name, but all the results are spam (“Best plumber in Benders Corner, NJ!”) Nobody around here knows what it is. I’m just going to remove it and close out the note. On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Would you put bender's corner on a map today? If the barrier to cleaning is too great, not enough cleaning will happen. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
