Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Mateusz Konieczny]

If it is a peak then ele=XXX and noname=yes would be OK.

If it is not a peak it should not be present at all - otherwise it opens way to 
importing
LIDAR data into OSM (and there are datasets with resolution of 5 cm, dumping it
into OSM would be case of unverifiable data making it impossible to edit).

I opened https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1703462 
 to reduce chance that it will be 
discussed 
and forgotten.

If this is really used name - then it would be OK but my bet is that this is 
not an actually used name.

Mar 7, 2019, 7:04 PM by miketh...@gmail.com:

> It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least, perhaps 
> mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations (presumably 
> from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as 
> natural=peak
> name=Point (elevation in feet)
>
> For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4601119717 
> 
>
> What does the community think about this?
>
> natural=peak might be ok if said spot elevation is really a local high point 
> (some are not).  The name I am less sure of. If this belongs on the map at 
> all, it should probably have an ele tag, with value in meters.
>

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   1. Re: Hello World! (Clifford Snow)
   2. Re: Rails-To-Trails data (EthnicFood IsGreat)
   3. Michigan Forest Land (David Martin)
   4. Re: Michigan Forest Land (Clifford Snow)


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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 07:41:59 -0800
From: Clifford Snow 
To: Stormwater 
Cc: "Talk-us@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Hello World!
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Wesley,
Welcome to OSM. It nice to seem someone from a local GIS community
contribute. I don't know of other mappers in your area, I'm in the PNW, but
I can suggest looking at 
https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fresultmaps.neis-one.org%2Fooocdata=02%7C01%7Cv-oiher%40microsoft.com%7C8f4d6af948b94361f7a508d6a3266e82%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636875782807809431sdata=gJueAn57YGMN1SkFhUoR%2Be%2BuBonT1VKKFiaiXtKQLgg%3Dreserved=0
 to see who
maps around the area. Besides this mailing list we also have an active
Slack community which you can join at 
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 I
should also plug attending our annual conference. This year it is being
held in Minneapolis from Sep. 6-8th. You could hop on I35 and drive all the
way there.

ESRI does have an editor for OSM, but we don't see many edits using it. Two
of the most popular editors are iD, a browser based editor and JOSM a stand
alone editor written in java. iD does have a nice walk though feature to
help you get started. Both editors are access to all of our imagery.
Besides Bing, we have Digital Globe, Mapbox and ESRI. JOSM has the ability
to load shapefiles which can be used to trace features or copy/paste them
into the OSM layer. Note that we have guidelines that need to be followed
if you wish to import (copy/paste) a large number of items.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Best,
Clifford

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 8:12 PM Stormwater  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> My name is Wes Keller. I am the GIS Analyst for the City of Universal
> City. I would like to become active in the group and become a relied upon
> resource for information within Universal City’s Jurisdiction. If you are
> working in the San Antonio, Texas area please let me know so I can become
> acquainted with you. I would like to begin adding my content to Open Street
> Map. My preferred editing environment is ArcGIS Desktop. Any advice or
> assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Wesley Keller
>
> GIS Analyst
>
> City of Universal City
>
>
>
> stormwa...@uctx.gov
>
> 210-659-0333 x722
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> 2150 Universal City Blvd
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Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Kevin Broderick]

I'm familiar with some cases where the peaks named thusly on USGS topos
have given their names to the backcountry ski runs in the vicinity. From
that standpoint, they are valuable (and often-used) local landmarks, and I
can understand *why* people would be tagging for the renderer (assuming
that is why they're getting tagging natural=peak).

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:05 PM Mike Thompson  wrote:

> It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least,
> perhaps mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations
> (presumably from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as
> natural=peak
> name=Point (elevation in feet)
>
> For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4601119717
>
> What does the community think about this?
>
> natural=peak might be ok if said spot elevation is really a local high
> point (some are not).  The name I am less sure of. If this belongs on the
> map at all, it should probably have an ele tag, with value in meters.
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Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Martijn van Exel]

That doesn’t seem right to me. Natural=peak is for actual high points in the 
landscape, and should be named by their established names, if available. 
Elevation, as you say, should be in meters on the ele tag.

Best thing to do is probably to send these folks a kind note pointing out OSM 
conventions and asking them to cease. You could point out that there’s OSM 
based topo maps that overlay elevation info on OSM data. The lovely 
http://toposm.ahlzen.com/  comes to mind, but 
there’s also opentopomap.

Martijn

> On Mar 7, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> 
> It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least, perhaps 
> mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations (presumably 
> from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as 
> natural=peak
> name=Point (elevation in feet)
> 
> For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4601119717 
> 
> 
> What does the community think about this?
> 
> natural=peak might be ok if said spot elevation is really a local high point 
> (some are not).  The name I am less sure of. If this belongs on the map at 
> all, it should probably have an ele tag, with value in meters.
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[Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

[Mike Thompson]

It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least,
perhaps mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations
(presumably from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as
natural=peak
name=Point (elevation in feet)

For example:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4601119717

What does the community think about this?

natural=peak might be ok if said spot elevation is really a local high
point (some are not).  The name I am less sure of. If this belongs on the
map at all, it should probably have an ele tag, with value in meters.
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Re: [Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

[Clifford Snow]

David,
Thanks for asking on the talk-us mailing list before importing the data.
Guidelines for importing data into OSM are available at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines. Please read the
guidelines before proceeding. Basically the guideline want to insure that
the data is licensed suitably for import into OSM, that the data is
suitable for OSM, how you plan to convert between the states tagging to OSM
tagging, conflating the data with what's already in OSM, and what account
you plan to use to upload the data. A quick look at the states site it
would appear that there is no license issue and the data seems suitable for
import. Especially the state parks and wildlife preserves.

The best editor I've found for this type of import is JOSM [1]. It sounds
like you may not be familiar with JOSM. You can get help at Learnosm.org
[2].

I would recommend getting started by doing some edits in JOSM before
tackling this project.

[1]. josm.openstreetmap.de
[2]. https://learnosm.org/en/josm/

Best,
Clifford


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:57 AM David Martin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm new to editing OSM, having been a heavy user of OSMAnd for Android for
> several years.  I primarily use the maps for snowmobiling here in Northern
> Michigan, and building my own database of gpx tracks.
>
> The Michigan maps are lacking the information for state forest land.  I
> have noted that the Upper Peninsula does have some state and national
> forest areas, but there is much missing here in the Lower Peninsula.
>
> I have found the data on the State of Michigan website, and have
> successfully downloaded the shapefile for all state forest land.
>
> I would like to proceed with adding this data to OSM, with the help of
> experienced editors.
>
> This is public data, available at
> http://gis-michigan.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/dfe0bcec31184b57b9f0d96bc02d6548_1
>
> This is high-value data for all OSM users in Michigan, to understand when
> they are public land and help prevent trespassing onto private land.  I
> often have to switch over to Google Maps to see if I am on state land.
>
> Please advise as to how I may proceed.
>
> Thanks,
> David Martin
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[Talk-us] Michigan Forest Land

[David Martin]

Hi,

I'm new to editing OSM, having been a heavy user of OSMAnd for Android for 
several years.  I primarily use the maps for snowmobiling here in Northern 
Michigan, and building my own database of gpx tracks.

The Michigan maps are lacking the information for state forest land.  I have 
noted that the Upper Peninsula does have some state and national forest areas, 
but there is much missing here in the Lower Peninsula.

I have found the data on the State of Michigan website, and have successfully 
downloaded the shapefile for all state forest land.

I would like to proceed with adding this data to OSM, with the help of 
experienced editors.

This is public data, available at 
http://gis-michigan.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/dfe0bcec31184b57b9f0d96bc02d6548_1

This is high-value data for all OSM users in Michigan, to understand when they 
are public land and help prevent trespassing onto private land.  I often have 
to switch over to Google Maps to see if I am on state land.

Please advise as to how I may proceed.

Thanks,
David Martin

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Re: [Talk-us] Rails-To-Trails data

[EthnicFood IsGreat]

Thanks Steve.

Mark



Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:00:20 -0800
From: OSM Volunteer stevea 
To: talk-us 
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Rails-to-Trails data

While I'm not sure the email address from their website I used is exactly 
correct, I did make this request to RTC (and cc'd Richard).  I'll let people 
know here if or how they reply.

Cheers,
SteveA
California

On Mar 6, 2019, at 4:00 AM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

Hi all,

I see that Rails-to-Trails Conservancy donated their GIS data to Google:

https://www.railstotrails.org/our-work/trail-mapping-and-gis/

Anyone in the US fancy asking if they might do the same for OSM? Our coverage 
is good on the major trails (Katy Trail, Coeur d'Alenes, etc.), but often 
missing for smaller or less frequented trails, and I believe RTC have some 
metadata (surfaces etc.) it'd be good to have. Since most cycling apps and 
websites use OSM data it should be a win for RTC to have better data in OSM.

I'm happy to approach them if no-one else does, but it'd probably be better 
coming from, you know, someone on the same continent.

cheers
Richard



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Re: [Talk-us] Hello World!

[Clifford Snow]

Wesley,
Welcome to OSM. It nice to seem someone from a local GIS community
contribute. I don't know of other mappers in your area, I'm in the PNW, but
I can suggest looking at http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc to see who
maps around the area. Besides this mailing list we also have an active
Slack community which you can join at https://slack.openstreetmap.us/. I
should also plug attending our annual conference. This year it is being
held in Minneapolis from Sep. 6-8th. You could hop on I35 and drive all the
way there.

ESRI does have an editor for OSM, but we don't see many edits using it. Two
of the most popular editors are iD, a browser based editor and JOSM a stand
alone editor written in java. iD does have a nice walk though feature to
help you get started. Both editors are access to all of our imagery.
Besides Bing, we have Digital Globe, Mapbox and ESRI. JOSM has the ability
to load shapefiles which can be used to trace features or copy/paste them
into the OSM layer. Note that we have guidelines that need to be followed
if you wish to import (copy/paste) a large number of items.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Best,
Clifford

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 8:12 PM Stormwater  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> My name is Wes Keller. I am the GIS Analyst for the City of Universal
> City. I would like to become active in the group and become a relied upon
> resource for information within Universal City’s Jurisdiction. If you are
> working in the San Antonio, Texas area please let me know so I can become
> acquainted with you. I would like to begin adding my content to Open Street
> Map. My preferred editing environment is ArcGIS Desktop. Any advice or
> assistance would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Wesley Keller
>
> GIS Analyst
>
> City of Universal City
>
>
>
> stormwa...@uctx.gov
>
> 210-659-0333 x722
>
>
>
> 2150 Universal City Blvd
>
> Universal City, TX 78148
>
> [image: CityLogoSmallJets]
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Rails-to-Trails data

[Volker Schmidt]

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 09:00:01 +
> From: Richard Fairhurst 
> To: talk-us 
> Subject: [Talk-us] Rails-to-Trails data
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
> I see that Rails-to-Trails Conservancy donated their GIS data to Google:
>
> https://www.railstotrails.org/our-work/trail-mapping-and-gis/
>
> Anyone in the US fancy asking if they might do the same for OSM? Our
> coverage is good on the major trails (Katy Trail, Coeur d'Alenes, etc.),
> but often missing for smaller or less frequented trails, and I believe
> RTC have some metadata (surfaces etc.) it'd be good to have. Since most
> cycling apps and websites use OSM data it should be a win for RTC to
> have better data in OSM.
>
> I'm happy to approach them if no-one else does, but it'd probably be
> better coming from, you know, someone on the same continent.
>
> I agree that we should ask for the data.and I agree that this would best
be done by the OSM-US community. If not, let's write to them independently
as individual OSM mappers.

Volker (Italy)
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