Re: [Talk-us] Ghost suburbs
My preference has been highway=proposed proposed=residential for ghost subdivisions around Chicago. Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Hello, While doing the Maproulette, I came upon a large area east of El Paso (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.7234lon=-106.1106zoom=13) with hundreds of neatly laid-out roads tagged residential that are only weathered tracks. Apparently, there were plans to build extensive suburban areas, but they never were built. How should this be tagged? Just make them all tracks? Apologies if this has been discussed before -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost suburbs
highway=track is fine if the road is open to the public, but quite often incomplete subdivisions are not. Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/17/12 6:56 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Hello, While doing the Maproulette, I came upon a large area east of El Paso (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.7234lon=-106.1106zoom=13) with hundreds of neatly laid-out roads tagged residential that are only weathered tracks. Apparently, there were plans to build extensive suburban areas, but they never were built. How should this be tagged? Just make them all tracks? Apologies if this has been discussed before if they didn't exist, the highway=proposed would be ok. but since they exist, i'd go with highway=track if they never got signs, i'd remove the names, or change the tag to name_proposed or something like that, but you can't really tell that from the maproulette vantage point. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Chicago L updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-11-15 14:37, Ben Miller wrote: One specific question: Since the Brown line is a loop at one end, it doesn't have two defined terminals, although it definitely has two directions (towards Kimball and towards the Loop). Does anyone have any guidance as to where the two route relations should begin/end? As it is I set Merchandise Mart as the final station for the Loop-bound train, since the operators usually change the train's destination sign to Kimball after leaving the Mart. Likewise the first station for the Kimball-bound relation is Washington/Wells. Maybe I'm overthinking this, but if there's a standard way of treating routes that loop back on themselves, I'm unaware of it. I think this looks just fine. Purple line (at least the rush hour express variant) will have the same structure, and I assume the Orange Line must do something similar (perhaps at Roosevelt), as will Pink (at Morgan/Lake?). Lastly, I doubt I have the patience to update the whole CTA system, so if anyone else has an interest in pitching in, go ahead. I know there are at least a couple more Chicago-area mappers who ride the L. The USGS Large-Scale imagery in Chicago is very detailed and more recent than the highest zoom available through Bing. I'm way out in the 'burbs, but /might/ be able to pitch in (Blue Line is the one I ride the most). Should this be extended to Metra? The Metra lines still need work in general (I fixed up the Milwaukee District West and Electric District lines a while back, but I haven't touched any other relations since). - -- Kristian M Zoerhoff -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQpVgSAAoJELiB5WubzHR/xRMP/3x/8ARRFSrUp8uHMfVhSb2J X8pPlgLKvZABuFb9PGhF+hL3AYurg1w59yTQ1FIx90hYs4Vb3TPEOS4QrWBkFLyL RLaZmnnpFAI4DwZ9PQwJC7UzpxGgMas1coOn9EBh3R2LALgX5Z8IdFZ5/NBU0/kk ihlodN+UTqPdZr+JMXfK8cO5wS3vEiIX6Ejzncdgh76yONm9VP6nOF81fFxbano1 pQBnv5d/4LbEhQyb+eSfFbZAsmyIGeYnNpLvFkZTC1ykZtYkygaw/s1E2Mj62V3w cL68qh4HnfxGXaqs3p8usmx1K/DRuJLx2FS4ljJeYMRFs9BW86L4S5ZNW35x4Rb9 gD6/mpfyZJhpKaDNdr5N2xhSGZEw1/OqG/LerwcT5tOiO05XbxepHhgY9iFJ3aId v81BmJmHGCJrup6vPfA9VL27CsfgKaDZjnB88lIaK61IkUL1i45h3Wq7mteDYzj4 9QirBthRu0uy+rpGDGDvW4XGygv4Q8uk+rWoWqntJJIEXCGdOdwJeCcNhbkWmZP3 xXgdrtnwZWmaqyZe39733/3VgriKup/m/uBAbqVFZsOrOvc5H/T92M5n29Gt0xWv zXfAajIdhnRfXujO/ztRS0SI9RehrV9edx4t9klalAJsiKr+muzxIzlwc3dDFxh/ ExIHOVPZwFAhv1ABM6+9 =hmHL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] 'creative' mapping
On 2012-11-13 09:11, Martijn van Exel wrote: I got this from a MapRoulette user: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.414586lon=-84.815333zoom=18layers=M Anyone know what this is about? From open.mapquest.com satellite view, it appears to be a corn maze. There should probably be a business tag here for the attraction. As these change every season, I sure hope this user plans on keeping this up-to-date. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Schizophrenic highway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-14 18:02, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Hello, I'm working on US 50 near Trenton, Ill. Here's the location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=38.61248lon=-89.68529zoom=16 It looks like, at one point there were plans to turn this into a motorway. In two spots in a 25-mile stretch, intersections have been turned into cloverleafs and the highway divided. In other locations, roads that used to intersect US 50 have been turned into overpasses. There are even a couple of bridges for a second lane but no evidence of any construction work actually to build that lane. The vast majority of the highway is still two-lane blacktop. So how does one tag this, as a primary road that just has a couple of cloverleafs? A similar situation with US 20 in Freeport, IL is tagged trunk, and I'd go with that here as well, though primary is not an incorrect choice. IDOT has been building these staged bypasses for years now; they start out 2 lanes, but with 4 lanes' worth of ROW reserved for future construction of an at-grade expressway (and overpasses sized to match, as you noted). Motorway would be an incorrect choice, in my opinion. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQU9UZAAoJELiB5WubzHR/zO8P/3zncIGMEeQggpw4i25dpmbn 3tAt0pdARLdBjHbjaAOgkay+0Gu0BP4fe6O7Rn18bwwTZ6Ot9j/gJaAa+9Q1hVqj /HPwazwt6OhxsKw5mHKYk35BnZMaCRindYhHsYp2EkOGxD6c3q7w8j9B07L+I7s5 aIEINMynSjoy8hNs8/27BSQTxupsqNRY6/8PY7BBCXT3fUKyvazSBhhjLmAZBti1 il7bBUFAB9/xZDz+HslJJyqAj6AvnhkBXXFctyzTuawy3lfovMqDU90bhYmSoBm4 FsR3IzIC2SDe9Ja9wFYfgue+g9/rrSwBJaEI/Nq8ON3uL3BaNXPLeULLNCFRol9p ns+T51xLyTJWcfQEbUpBwRE+b4BfwN+W/Vh3M/XLtYr0Y7o88QrCDZ/5lwmHaQZn mCzK2TWMZZ1qzAyplaAmc8pY4/sYhsczKh30IWAhssfAew9rtSLip6AoFAZqWjwa Xr4/EcC79PS9eowlr1tgTwczgibiP05rk3Npm7uask23qO/bYxfRvKkNl3S03xF/ btmidRqpDzOpVr6wMT+Z2oL8jz4iRI39uGqLG3lYloe9dnFYV4AzXgmelBnjlX++ H0SncBXrFWfIPlScXQEsrpVOY83zGieTPEhXDgu1TO3Z/yogDHrAP2sKnbeTv3x6 lIQTmv/U1zslxMG4MGGm =3HaL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on SR for state route versus state abbreviation?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: **Was there ever consensus on whether to use SR (or some variation on that) for state highways versus an abbreviation of the state name (CA or NY). I remember that there was discussion, but I don't remember if there was consensus. The postal abbreviation for the state name is the preferred method for state route refs on ways, Michigan is a notable exception to these rules. State highways are all of the form M-nnn, *not* MI-nnn. - -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.0.8 iQJDBAEBCAAtBQJQUTdJJhxLcmlzdGlhbiBNIFpvZXJob2ZmIDxrbXpAbGF2YWJp dC5jb20+AAoJELiB5WubzHR/plkP/2CqwcskxdAUIQYGAhKyY2sZb+jwOau5ULoF tbaFZW46Vou3PcJbojvGa+iH4reTc51A44J7qOEkzluAGVFdczIGCs2puSO5sybB O+9Xok7earbhuypBg9TY1C1Fl7On9rH5k19Ofs3nOm3nuC4NrLJfR75x4NV+oXtL xk9I+cNYtIrLR8GgG3vRv0wGQToTKMql0PsPQWc18/CeLddVRmVjrsUkglKjclDN /XiZQwW3zVwnrxuzcoMw35/mn1KFcwq8q0KeyCVOK+926ilMhr/QZ0T+OvzfGuH8 J5ywd+BhGctrqQuucIJaCWt0/s09RT8GoyUNUUtl47OlUvRVMLReaQF3KR8oWjia iniLtlB0cDTEA6+/TxD2NmzMXqHf399WnfFjC/3m0Z9EcSTVYaaAXGP6AlB72xhm nvsEWKWHyVT2itfJAPRH8AACQLQi7CuruvwQOz0H9+3b9m7s1++T0tnKrjOHMqGC h+V4VSduarfYllrmqybYy+1A87xrehzcWNIQ9jgugQmhP9urw9srpZtFFRVmOhXo A4yDlsx/KujVF/PP0IZ5fIb+c4KJ8vcEp6FM5V5uwbxltYSsfZEwaBHVPKJ7AeOS jA5qmIpN1kUMe6TojWWC8L2MBgML8FZ3LlUJxT/vyAc4PK6wdzijUJwtzWFBpYP1 jDTbOe99 =d0EA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of any efforts to tag them as such. Wisconsin has an actual state network of Rural Roads that are numbered. I haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I don't believe it exists. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpk7dI0XAhLl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 04:47:37AM -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I've added direction expansion into a new version, and thrown it up as a gist: https://gist.github.com/2656735 I don't treat direction prefixes and suffixes any differently- I haven't seen an example where there is both a prefix and a suffix in the name, and they're the same as the suffix. You might want to check Minneapolis/St Paul. They have some really bizarre directional combinations that could give you heartburn. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpZwZcR4bgpU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 09:15:49PM -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I'm wondering what the best way would be to tag a good-quality shoulder that acts essentially as an undesignated bike lane, in that you can use it but it is not required. Current Florida DOT policy is to use these on rural roads, with marked bike lanes only when there is a lane to the right. For example here: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=enll=30.605358,-86.950672spn=0.008255,0.016512gl=ust=mz=17layer=ccbll=30.605241,-86.950558panoid=X4-X3CdhvVO_ptMWbvB8SAcbp=12,330.83,,0,9.24 One can choose to ride either in the right lane or on the shoulder beyond the intersection. One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk. On the other hand, shoulder=yes or shoulder=paved says nothing about the quality of the shoulder. Should there be a minimum width for a shoulder (FDOT's standard is 4 feet)? cycleway=shoulder doesn't seem right to me, either, and I'm a fairly frequent cyclist (or was, before kids). *If* we are going to mark shoulders, I think we need a series of tags, such as: shoulder:surface=paved/unpaved shoulder:width=4 ft shoulder:rumble_strips:yes/no/aashto (this is very important for cyclists, as continuous strips render the shoulder useless for cycling, and yes, there is an AASHTO standard) Has anyone run this by the OpenCycleMap folks? They're the only likely data consumer for this information at present. Alternatively, maybe cycleway needs an unmarked lane setting for these situations, though that would imply the local authorities are intending for cyclists to use the shoulder, rather than just tolerating their presence (the usual situation). -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpzAtbN0C49i.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 03:52:35PM -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/12/2012 2:59 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Minh Nguyenm...@1ec5.org [2012-04-12 10:06 -0700]: There's an ALT I-75 that needs its own sequence file I had no idea there were alternate Interstates. I added it under network=US:I:Alternate, ref=75. (Right now, it's rendering as regular I-75.) Sounds like a bug in the rendering. However, I wouldn't necessarily oppose a separate network tag in this case, since it's clearly not part of the Interstate Highway System. (The same would apply to business Interstates.) Michigan has some 'emergency' Interstates that are essentially detours, but are permanently signed: http://www.stopandgo.org/gallery/trafficsigns/Emergency_plaque.html Yeah, those are odd. What the description on that page fails to mention is that I-94 also passes by the Cook Nuclear Power Plant at Bridgman, so it's not just snow MDOT is worried about :-) -- Kristian M Zoerhoff ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering
On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 08:56:17PM -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote: Ng?y 2012-04-05 5:46 AM, Phil! Gold vi?t: * Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com [2012-04-05 08:14 -0400]: * Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org [2012-04-04 11:54 -0700]: Looks like the Indiana Toll Road has no relation yet. That's fine. We don't have a shield for it yet either. :) Ah. And that's because my visit to Wikipedia left me unsure what the current design for the Toll Road's shield was. Any pointers would be appreciated. As of a few years ago, it was a green circle with two Indianas. [1] The orange logo was introduced in 2007, but I don't know if they've started to use it in signage or just the toll plazas. When I was last on the toll road in January, the guide signs were still the old green circles. I won't be back that way until June or July for another check, though. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpQUeiPDoUKf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway Shield Rendering
On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 12:07:57PM -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/3/2012 11:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: That just reminded me... Chicago and Tulsa have city routes. I'm not aware of any such routes in Chicago. Are you thinking of the address numbers that are prominently posted on signs? That's all I can think of, and I'm in the metro area. Unless he's thinking of Chicago's portions of Cook County Highways, but those are spottily signed, even outside the city limits. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpII63tvYSfq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Using TIGER to find missing road segments in OSM after license change
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:53:55AM -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 3/29/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I'm going to look at this same problem for Salt Lake County just to see if any different issues arise for a different geography, and hope to provide some more input soon. It would be useful to test an area where the TIGER data is rather imprecise and the OSM data has been fixed to match aerials. Orange County, FL was like this as of whatever TIGER data was imported, but the latest data may be much better. If the latest TIGER data is improved, you might be able to test with the older TIGER data. Since Ian is already in Cook County, IL, he can move next door to McHenry County, which I spent ages fixing up over the last year or so. Cook County itself still has a lot of unfixed TIGER roads, especially in its southern half. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpLCSCL9Puvr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Contacting high-impact undecided users in the US
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 07:25:27AM -0500, Josh Doe wrote: For starters I tried to find one of the users, David Speakman, and after a bit of searching have found his LinkedIn page, two domains registered to him, from which I got his email, phone number, and address. Anyone familiar with Mountain View, CA or Fort Wayne, IN (his two big edit areas) willing to contact him? If so I'll send his info. I made a cursory attempt to contact him, but work has decided to expand to fill my spare time. I can try to contact him via LinkedIn, if you can be sure it's the right David (there seemed to be several when I searched). -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpaNdtBBp49X.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Contacting high-impact undecided users in the US
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 08:26:56AM -0600, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 07:25:27AM -0500, Josh Doe wrote: For starters I tried to find one of the users, David Speakman, and after a bit of searching have found his LinkedIn page, two domains registered to him, from which I got his email, phone number, and address. Anyone familiar with Mountain View, CA or Fort Wayne, IN (his two big edit areas) willing to contact him? If so I'll send his info. I made a cursory attempt to contact him, but work has decided to expand to fill my spare time. I can try to contact him via LinkedIn, if you can be sure it's the right David (there seemed to be several when I searched). I also tried to contact elliskev, bruck4, and several others, but again, it was just a cursory attempt, as I found damage in the Great Lakes region. Is it worth trying to get moonwashed to change his/her mind about declining? -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpUUnXEB2quu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Finding new roads
On Sat, Feb 04, 2012 at 05:07:38PM -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 1/16/2012 7:48 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: I believe that OSm's most usefull attribute is to be up to date. The only real way to do this is with a local mapper but bringing the USA up to Tiger 2011 up-to-datedness would be a great start. I've recently been using another way of finding new roads: subdivision plats. If your county has recent public records online, simply go through the recent ones and find any with new roads. The plats also give names (except sometimes in the case of an apartment complex, where it's all private property). I've been using these for a while as well, but watch out for: 1. Roads whose names were changed by local ordinance after platting, frequently to honor some politician. 2. Roads that are platted, but never built because the money runs out. 3. Roads that are built, but later abandoned. We have a lot of these along the Fox River NW of Chicago where old subdivisions were built in floodplains and were later bought up and bulldozed by one gov't agency or another. 2 and 3 are easily solved by cross-referencing with satellite imagery, but 1 can be tricky. This is where TIGER 2011 can come in handy. Kane County, IL actually has subdivision plats all the way back to the 1850s online, which can be pretty cool to look at in their own right. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgptOOXiNtcmN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:27:56PM +0100, Martijn van Exel wrote: Fort Wayne, IN (also campus) I can start working on Ft Wayne. I'm already working around Chicago Milwaukee, and was going to hit Grand Rapids, MI next, so this is in my general blast zone. Of course, you can also still try to contact mappers who haven't accepted (yet), but time is short and there's a lot to be done if we want to retain a decent map of these areas after Apr 1. I have a whopping 5% response rate thus far, contacting mappers in and around Chicago. There's one flat-out decliner that I'm working to map around, and a lot of little cleanup in general. A remap-a-thon is called for, perhaps? Probably. I'd propose everyone on list drop all their other projects and remap like mad badgers for the next 8 weeks. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgp37YaQNQ7gH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:59:15PM -0800, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: pubic records searches)? Unless you work for the TSA, I sincerely hope you meant public records searches :-) If you do work for the TSA, carry on. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgp5da2YaurkQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 06:40:27PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff zoerh...@sdf.orgwrote: I got it working in Potlatch 2 [*], but as someone else mentioned, the white layer is invisible on Potlatch's default manilla background. The black-outlined text labels are fine. I added black outlines to the road lines, too. It looks lightly funny where roads come together, but that will improve as I figure out how to better draw those lines. Let me know if that change helps or hurts. That helps tremendously. Thanks! Now, off to work on my mission to finish cleaning up McHenry County, IL. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgp8N6PcLjnuB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Road Tiles
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:11:49PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote:
Hi all,
In order to assist with road name checking I've set up a Mapnik layer
rendering from TIGER 2011 ROADS data. It consists of a transparent tile
with a white line (of varying thickness for the different MTFCC's) for the
road and white text for the road's full name. I did this with JOSM in mind
(which will stack imagery layers). I haven't tested it in P2 but would be
happy to set up a different style for users of P2. It's designed for higher
zooms and I don't do anything particular for low zooms. In fact it looks
pretty noisy and slow, but it still works.
The JOSM TMS URL is http://{switch:a,b,c}.
tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
I have grand plans to create vector layers as well (to allow for
spot-importing of TIGER data), but I don't have time to do that currently.
Let me know if you have any ideas to make it better.
I got it working in Potlatch 2 [*], but as someone else mentioned, the white
layer is invisible on Potlatch's default manilla background. The
black-outlined text labels are fine.
Otherwise, it looks awesome. Nice work!
* As http://tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/$z/$x/$y.png in the
Background menu.
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Re: [Talk-us] GPS overreliance anecdotes (WAS: Women trust GPS, drive SUV into Lake)
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:28:29AM -0700, Craig Hinners wrote: No matter, he insisted on obeying his GPS and ignoring me. I bit my tongue, what with being the new guy and all. Three wrong turns, two missed expressway exits, and one illegal u-turn later, we arrived at the restaurant. Fifteen minutes late. Sounds like he did a poor job of obeying his GPS. Blame where blame is due. -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Women trust GPS, drive SUV into Lake
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:15:01AM -0400, Mike N wrote: http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f225/women-trust-gps-drive-suv-into-lake-81264/ I did check the OSM map to be sure there were no non-existing roads shown crossing the lake. The *claim* the GPS directed them into the lake, but I've yet to see any indication of what GPS or what maps they had, or why they couldn't be bothered to notice the large body of water through the windshield. But yeah, making sure OSM is clean is always a good idea :-) -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Women trust GPS, drive SUV into Lake
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:15:01AM -0400, Mike N wrote: http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f225/women-trust-gps-drive-suv-into-lake-81264/ I did check the OSM map to be sure there were no non-existing roads shown crossing the lake. I did see a post mentioning that there appears to be an abandoned roadbed through the slough; one would hate to see that leak through into a GPS, or into OSM. How often do folks find abandoned roads in OSM? I had to tag a bunch along the Fox River here in the Chicago area, as the land was bought up by the government after repeated floods kept wiping houses out. TIGER apparently hadn't caught up yet (surprise!). -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:52:15PM +, dion_d...@comcast.net wrote: Businesses don't make it easy when they go by multiple names. Is it IBM or International Business Machines? I'm sure you'll find similar issues with punctuation. IBM or I.B.M.? Only the New York Times insists on I.B.M. Even we at the company just call it IBM. In your example of QFC, I'd tag it name=QFC and maybe throw in an alternate_name= or note=. That sounds like good advice. -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/13/11 10:54 AM, Mike N wrote: On 4/13/2011 10:44 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: network=US:CA:Orange + ref=CR S18 I'd drop the CR prefix since that's more of a network identifier than a reference number. Most Interstates, US Highways and most state highways include the network identifier. Why should this be dropped for the county roads? ways vs. relations. we need the identifier on ways because of the data consumers that expect to render directly. for relations, we should in theory be only including the actual reference number. Isn't that just tagging for the renderer? -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:03:25PM -0500, Nathan Mills wrote: On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:11:49 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/8/2011 2:00 PM, James Mast wrote: I just thought I would throw this out there so this can be settled once and for all. Which ref tag setup do you think should be used for State Highways on ways (not relations)? PA-44 or 44. There's a third way: use the correct abbreviation. So Florida, if a prefix is used, would have SR, not FL. Pennsylvania, on the other hand, would use PA. IMO, the state's postal abbreviation followed by the route number should be used. This makes them easily distinguished from US or But this is not always correct. In Michigan, for example, all state highways are named M-nn, with M- being part of the road's actual name in many places. It is never, ever, written MI-nn. States like Wisconsin get tricky, too. Wis nn is common, but so is the much older STH nn (for State Trunk Highway). -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] default to potlatch 1?
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 08:07:30AM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: might ask why would you want to do that, well this morning i was adding addr:??? to the map. everytime i completed a address collection i would click a new point and reload the previous point information. then add the new addr:housenumber tag and update the addr:full. however potlatch 2 would always retain the reloaded points information. took me a while to realize what was happening and by then i had an entire street of addr:housenumber: 112. which... was annoying. I got bit by that this morning as well. Seems to be a new bug in Potlatch 2, as it wasn't happening to me on Friday. -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER edited map updated with Toby's suggestion
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 01:55:57AM +0100, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 25 January 2011 00:57, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: In summary, I propose to add the following requirements to the existing filter for turning a feature red: - Must have tiger:name_base tag I'd suggest tiger:reviewed=no which is kind of what the tag was for. Can we really count on that being set correctly? I very rarely remember that tag, and I've edited a fair amount of TIGER roads in my area of Illinois. -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Creating relations for abandoned railway lines
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:06:44PM +0100, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 10 January 2011 17:23, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com wrote: type = route route = train operator = Elgin Belvidere Electric Co. abandoned = yes It's that last tag I'm unsure of. Is abandoned = yes allowed/understood in relations? I think what you want to use is route=railway, not route=train. The latter would include trackage (if any) owned by other companies that the EBE used to reach downtown terminals, while the former would be the single line owned and operated by the EBE. At some point route=historic was a preset or on the wiki (I don't remember), I think it would work better here. Something like: route=historic historic=railway following the convention of avoiding misleading the tools, which usually just look at the one tag that interests them (route=railways for example). I like this; it's certainly more accurate than saying abandoned=yes on the relation (which is incorrect, anyway; the ways are abandoned, but the relationship between them still holds). And not confusing the tools is always a good thing (I do engineering software support for a living, so I'm painfully aware of what happens when garbage goes in). -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Creating relations for abandoned railway lines
Hi, all. I've been working on adding some abandoned railway lines in my area, and I've been wondering how to group them together. The line I'm working on right now (the former Elgin Belvidere Electric Co. line) has been re-used in some areas as public streets, bike paths, service roads, and even a railway museum, so I've had to break the line into quite a few ways. I'd like to group them back together with a relation, but I'm not sure if anyone's done this for an abandoned railway line, or if this is even the right thing to do. My plan was to create a new relation like so: type = route route = train operator = Elgin Belvidere Electric Co. abandoned = yes It's that last tag I'm unsure of. Is abandoned = yes allowed/understood in relations? -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Creating relations for abandoned railway lines
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:24:27AM -0500, Richard Weait wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. I've been working on adding some abandoned railway lines in my area, and I've been wondering how to group them together. The line I'm working on right now (the former Elgin Belvidere Electric Co. line) has been re-used in some areas as public streets, bike paths, service roads, and even a railway museum, so I've had to break the line into quite a few ways. I'd like to group them back together with a relation, but I'm not sure if anyone's done this for an abandoned railway line, or if this is even the right thing to do. My plan was to create a new relation like so: type = route route = train operator = Elgin Belvidere Electric Co. abandoned = yes It's that last tag I'm unsure of. Is abandoned = yes allowed/understood in relations? Dear Kristian, It is most likely that no relation is required to group them together. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories I've thought about this some more today, and I think this specific case does qualify as a relation. I'm not trying to group multiple, disparate lines operated by a railraod into a collection; there's just a single line, but due to adaptive reuse of the Right of Way, I've been forced to break it into multiple ways. I don't see this as much different from a state highway that travels on multiple streets, or even a road that's broken into multiple ways so one segment can be tagged as a bridge or tunnel. It's a singular, logical relation, from end-to-end. Now, if the EBE had ever run multiple lines, then I can see the objection to putting them into a relation. That's not the case, however. I do see the need for care here. We don't want someone tagging every line operated by Union Pacific as being part of one huge relation, for example. However, tt would be perfectly acceptable (to me, anyway), to tag an individual named railroad subdivision with a relation, though, assuming it had to be broken into segments for things like bridges/tunnels. It's a fine line to walk, that's for sure. Oh, and I now see that I don't need to tag the relation as abandoned, as all the ways have this tag (except for the portion tagged as preserved at the Illinois Railway Museum). Anyway, there's still time to change my mind, as I have other things I want to clean up before I add this relation. Man, do I have a love/hate relationship with TIGER right now. -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
