Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
You might want to remove the NY FRA data from the challenge. I've already gone through that dataset and added everything that was still being used as a crossing. Save people from looking at data that is all correct (modulo my misteaks, of course). -russ Martijn van Exel writes: Okay, thanks, I’ve been preferring level_crossing myself. I will publish the ~90k tasks shortly! Will let you know when it’s done. Martijn On Jul 6, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 7/6/15 11:02 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: From my read of our wiki and wikipedia, the correct term should be level_crossing. British English and all. level_crossing is correct. it's what i've been using for years. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Mike N writes: On 7/8/2015 2:43 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: I see the why Martijn would be hard pressed to exclude crossings that are already in the OSM. He's using the Federal Railway Administration, FRA, data as a punch list in this challenge. Perhaps you can add additional features to a crossing in this challenge, if you know that bells and whistles exist at a crossing. I was thinking of NY State for example, where all crossings already exist in OSM. Those would just be empty tasks. Since they're all points, it should be easy to do a pre-conflation to exclude existing matches. But I haven't looked at FRA data - perhaps it doesn't include GPS location? It includes everything but 1) the kitchen sink, and 2) whether the railroad has been abandoned already. :-) The majority of the crossings that I looked at were for driveway or farm crossings. I added the ones that look like they still existed, with blocking in the gauge and/or wheel tracks going up to the crossing. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Paul Johnson wrote: I do like this challenge concept, however, given TIGER's somewhat lackluster modeling of railways, seems like a prerequisite challenge would be to tiger-review it and get the tracks actually lining up with reality first. Hi Paul: I completely agree that railways in OSM from TIGER can use review and improvement. So much so that I have written this paragraph in our wiki as a suggestive process to do so: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States_railways#Editing_Railroads_starting_from_TIGER_data I invite you and everybody reading talk-us to roll up your sleeves and pitch in: with hundreds of thousands of miles of rail in the USA, there is a lot of work ahead to improve our national rail infrastructure! We can complete these tasks simultaneously -- I don't think one is necessarily prerequisite to the other. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Eric Christensen e...@christensenplace.us wrote: On Wednesday, July 08, 2015 11:43:50 AM Greg Morgan wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Matijn, By the way, what is the difference between crossing and level_crossing? I treat highway=crossing the same as railway=crossing. That would be a place where a horse, bike, skateboard, foot path, etc. would cross the railway. I also apply all the related highway=crossing tags to the railway=crossing nodes. I've used this mostly around light rail crossings. I think highway=crossing is for pedestrian crossing on a highway, not a railroad. The wiki[0] specifically calls this out. railway=crossing is for pedestrian crossing of a railway[1] and railway=level_crossing is where a highway crosses a railway[2]. This seems a little complicated compared to other tagging schemes involving intermodal crossings; seems like the two tags could be merged with some supplemental tagging. I do like this challenge concept, however, given TIGER's somewhat lackluster modeling of railways, seems like a prerequisite challenge would be to tiger-review it and get the tracks actually lining up with reality first. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
I wouldn’t be surprised. It may make sense to add a ‘there is no crossing here’ button to MapRoulette for this challenge so that we can share that with the FRA and they can weed out the stale data. Martijn On Jul 8, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Natfoot natf...@gmail.com wrote: Great Topic, Interesting that I have been doing my own research into this data set. I can tell you without a doubt that some of the information is way out of date or wrong. (http://fragis.frasafety.net/GISFRASafety/) It is my understanding that railroads are supposed to report data like this to the UTC (utilities and transportation commission) and in some way make it back to the FRA. You can find the more up to date Washington UTC data set here: http://www.utc.wa.gov/regulatedIndustries/transportation/rail/Pages/CrossingInventory.aspx There is a new FRA regulation going into effect in October to place clear emergency contact information at each level_crossing or Highway crossing. Lori Halstead of the Washington UTC hopes that following that deadline that the FRA database will be updated. One example, check any railroad crossing in the city limits of Kirkland, WA; if it is active with a current listing for railroad it is out of date by 5 years as the city owns the right of way and much of it has been turned into a trail with no rail or crossing protections. Best Regards, Nathan P email: natf...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I have done some work to turn the FRA crossing data into a MapRoulette challenge to fix missing railway crossings. Here is the description I have come up with for now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xh49ufnwyxp35r/Screenshot%202015-07-06%2008.43.21.png?dl=0 Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks, Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Matijn, By the way, what is the difference between crossing and level_crossing? I treat highway=crossing the same as railway=crossing. That would be a place where a horse, bike, skateboard, foot path, etc. would cross the railway. I also apply all the related highway=crossing tags to the railway=crossing nodes. I've used this mostly around light rail crossings. There are also additional tags that could be added to a level crossing: A level crossing (where a road crosses a railway, usually with a gate and big flashing traffic light). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dlevel_crossing That would require additional tasks to survey the crossings. Adding the crossings would be a good first step for a survey phase. Armchair mapping any survey mapping can coexist! At 03:30 PM 7/7/2015, you wrote: Hey Mike — Crossings already present in OSM will not be excluded, but can be easily skipped over. In most cases you can see them on the rendered map tiles so no need for a round trip to the editor. Martijn van Exel I see the why Martijn would be hard pressed to exclude crossings that are already in the OSM. He's using the Federal Railway Administration, FRA, data as a punch list in this challenge. Perhaps you can add additional features to a crossing in this challenge, if you know that bells and whistles exist at a crossing. Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On Wednesday, July 08, 2015 11:43:50 AM Greg Morgan wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Matijn, By the way, what is the difference between crossing and level_crossing? I treat highway=crossing the same as railway=crossing. That would be a place where a horse, bike, skateboard, foot path, etc. would cross the railway. I also apply all the related highway=crossing tags to the railway=crossing nodes. I've used this mostly around light rail crossings. I think highway=crossing is for pedestrian crossing on a highway, not a railroad. The wiki[0] specifically calls this out. railway=crossing is for pedestrian crossing of a railway[1] and railway=level_crossing is where a highway crosses a railway[2]. [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcrossing [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dcrossing [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dlevel_crossing --Eric ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Great Topic, Interesting that I have been doing my own research into this data set. I can tell you without a doubt that some of the information is way out of date or wrong. (http://fragis.frasafety.net/GISFRASafety/) It is my understanding that railroads are supposed to report data like this to the UTC (utilities and transportation commission) and in some way make it back to the FRA. You can find the more up to date Washington UTC data set here: http://www.utc.wa.gov/regulatedIndustries/transportation/rail/Pages/CrossingInventory.aspx There is a new FRA regulation going into effect in October to place clear emergency contact information at each level_crossing or Highway crossing. Lori Halstead of the Washington UTC hopes that following that deadline that the FRA database will be updated. One example, check any railroad crossing in the city limits of Kirkland, WA; if it is active with a current listing for railroad it is out of date by 5 years as the city owns the right of way and much of it has been turned into a trail with no rail or crossing protections. Best Regards, Nathan P email: natf...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I have done some work to turn the FRA crossing data into a MapRoulette challenge to fix missing railway crossings. Here is the description I have come up with for now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xh49ufnwyxp35r/Screenshot%202015-07-06%2008.43.21.png?dl=0 Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks, Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On 7/8/2015 2:43 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: I see the why Martijn would be hard pressed to exclude crossings that are already in the OSM. He's using the Federal Railway Administration, FRA, data as a punch list in this challenge. Perhaps you can add additional features to a crossing in this challenge, if you know that bells and whistles exist at a crossing. I was thinking of NY State for example, where all crossings already exist in OSM. Those would just be empty tasks. Since they're all points, it should be easy to do a pre-conflation to exclude existing matches. But I haven't looked at FRA data - perhaps it doesn't include GPS location? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Martijn, thank you for this terrific contribution to improve OSM's rail infrastructure in the USA! BTW, while level_crossings display in its default/mapnik backdrop layer only when closely zoomed in, OSM rail data in OpenRailwayMap continue to grow nicely, especially with usage= tags (and to a lesser degree -- still, it makes me happy to see our progress -- better name= tags). A short six or eight months ago, we barely had a little nucleus of orange around Kansas City, and that was it. Now look at us! http://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=enlat=38lon=-95zoom=5style=standard shows how these efforts have spread across the entire North American continent. Our rail is filling out nicely, even as there remains plenty to do. SteveA California (/Railroads wiki contributor) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Hey Mike — Crossings already present in OSM will not be excluded, but can be easily skipped over. In most cases you can see them on the rendered map tiles so no need for a round trip to the editor. Martijn van Exel On Jul 6, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/6/2015 10:46 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks for doing that challenge - it sounds like a great fit for MapRoulette! My only feedback is not to include the OSM already has a crossing points, or - is this confirmation that the specific challenge task has been complete? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On 07/06/2015 10:46 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) My understanding is that railway=level_crossing is where cars cross a railway, and railway=crossing is where pedestrians cross. I'm not sure what to use where bikes cross. --Andrew ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Matijn, By the way, what is the difference between crossing and level_crossing? --C At 03:30 PM 7/7/2015, you wrote: Hey Mike Crossings already present in OSM will not be excluded, but can be easily skipped over. In most cases you can see them on the rendered map tiles so no need for a round trip to the editor. Martijn van Exel On Jul 6, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/6/2015 10:46 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks for doing that challenge - it sounds like a great fit for MapRoulette! My only feedback is not to include the OSM already has a crossing points, or - is this confirmation that the specific challenge task has been complete? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Charlotte Wolter 927 18th Street Suite A Santa Monica, California 90403 +1-310-597-4040 techl...@techlady.com Skype: thetechlady ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
This is great work, thank you for setting this up Martijn! On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I have done some work to turn the FRA crossing data into a MapRoulette challenge to fix missing railway crossings. Here is the description I have come up with for now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xh49ufnwyxp35r/Screenshot%202015-07-06%2008.43.21.png?dl=0 Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks, Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On 7/6/2015 10:46 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks for doing that challenge - it sounds like a great fit for MapRoulette! My only feedback is not to include the OSM already has a crossing points, or - is this confirmation that the specific challenge task has been complete? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
It’s based on FRA data, so it is US only. If anyone can furnish me with crossing data for other countries, I am happy to get a challenge up for other places as well. (crossposting to talk@ for that purpose) Martijn On Jul 6, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: From my read of our wiki and wikipedia, the correct term should be level_crossing. British English and all. Thanks for doing the MapRoulette challenge on rr crossings. It will be nice to see us complete the US. Will this challenge be world wide or just the US? Clifford On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I have done some work to turn the FRA crossing data into a MapRoulette challenge to fix missing railway crossings. Here is the description I have come up with for now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xh49ufnwyxp35r/Screenshot%202015-07-06%2008.43.21.png?dl=0 Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks, Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
On 7/6/15 11:02 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: From my read of our wiki and wikipedia, the correct term should be level_crossing. British English and all. level_crossing is correct. it's what i've been using for years. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Railway crossing challenge for MapRoulette
Hi all, I have done some work to turn the FRA crossing data into a MapRoulette challenge to fix missing railway crossings. Here is the description I have come up with for now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xh49ufnwyxp35r/Screenshot%202015-07-06%2008.43.21.png?dl=0 Please share your corrections / feedback so I can improve this if necessary before I push it live. (In particular I am never sure whether to use crossing or level_crossing.) Thanks, Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
