Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 8/17/13 2:19 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:

county route shields are not rendered in California. What is required to get 
them in? I have checked relations are following the same style as in New York 
where shields are currently rendered.
California uses the standard county shield and it doesn't make sense to create 
a wiki page like the one for Ohio.


i don't think CA has a shield configuration file yet either.

i'm not sure how Phil wants to go about getting these into place.

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Apollinaris Schoell]

county route shields are not rendered in California. What is required to get 
them in? I have checked relations are following the same style as in New York 
where shields are currently rendered. 
California uses the standard county shield and it doesn't make sense to create 
a wiki page like the one for Ohio.

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On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Phil! Gold  wrote:

> * Richard Welty  [2013-07-29 08:17 -0400]:
>> one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
>> yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
>> automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
>> should we deal with this or let it go?
> 
> I'd prefer to deal with it.  I'd like the shields to match actual road
> signs as much as possible.
> 
> If you can get me a list of what New York counties use which sign styles,
> I'll work on getting the rendering to match them.  For what it's worth,
> Minh Nguyen has been working with other Ohio mappers to both get Ohio's
> county routes into OSM and to document the signage (and the tagging
> they're using) at http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Ohio/Route_relations/Networks ;
> I would not at all object if people put together similar references for
> other states with diverse county sign styles.  :)
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Evin Fairchild]

It seems like shields for spur Washington State Hwys aren't rendering. I
thought they were, but now it seems that they aren't. For example, WA 110
has a spur route that goes to the north of Quillayute (Quileute) River, but
the shield for the spur route isn't showing up. (see link below) I created
the relation for the spur route 16 hours ago, it should've rendered by now.
I'm pretty sure I tagged everything right. Could someone have a look and
tell me if I'm doing anything wrong?

Link is here: http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/#15/47.9151/-124.6000

Thanks, Compdude


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:

> We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US
> server today! You can see the tiles here:
>
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html
>
> This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles set
> up in a pretty leaflet UI or something.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richie Kennedy]

On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:

>
> 1029 and 438 both render shields now. I looked at the existing ref=* tags
> on county roads in Douglas and made shields for everything that is there so
> as you add relations they should appear as expected. I'm not sure this
> county-by-county handling will scale very well though. Might have to put
> some more thought into this...
>

Is there any way I could upload the shields myself? I do have the ability
to make them.

Right now, the only other Kansas county numbered routes with ref tags in
OSM are in Douglas, Leavenworth, and Linn Counties... but there will be
others (There are none, however, in Sedgwick, Shawnee, Osage, Jefferson,
Johnson, or Miami)
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Toby Murray]

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Aug 8, 2013 9:42 PM, "Toby Murray"  wrote:
> >> [As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand
> for 'North' or 'East,']
> >>
>
> Well, it does, since they're defining range and plat, but you're correct
> that it's not expanded or assumed by anyone but surveyors.
>
> >
> > TIGER didn't get the memo apparently
>
> Actually, that may have been the abbreviation bot that ran last year if
> these county roads had the ref incorrectly in the name field instead of ref
> when it ran through.
>
Nope. This being Kansas, they were expanded by the bot that ran several
years ago and was stopped at about the Mississippi. But the ways in
question did have a tiger:name_direction_prefix tag on them.
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Paul Johnson]

On Aug 8, 2013 9:42 PM, "Toby Murray"  wrote:
>> [As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand for
'North' or 'East,']
>>

Well, it does, since they're defining range and plat, but you're correct
that it's not expanded or assumed by anyone but surveyors.

>
> TIGER didn't get the memo apparently

Actually, that may have been the abbreviation bot that ran last year if
these county roads had the ref incorrectly in the name field instead of ref
when it ran through.
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richie Kennedy]

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:
>
>
> Also, is there a way to fix the Kansas Turnpike shield. The KTA shield is
>> not rendered as a cutout anywhere, even on guide signs.
>>
>>
> It was a style choice by Phil to do all shields as cutouts. I think it
> looks pretty good and having one that isn't a cutout may look odd... or
> not. I don't know. But yes, it can of course be changed.
>

Phil may want to use this version as a basis for the Turnpike:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kansas_Turnpike2.svg
I uploaded that to commons last night. The version currently posted looks
like a poor tracing of a low-res bitmap.


> [As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand for
>> 'North' or 'East,']
>>
>
> TIGER didn't get the memo apparently
>

I'm more worried about flesh-and-blood mappers not getting the memo and
causing an inadvertent edit war. ;)

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Toby Murray]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Richie Kennedy wrote:

> Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I'm having trouble getting
> county road shields in my area to render.
>
> Example:
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#16/39.0031/-95.3842
>
> I have made County Road 1029 a relation and, using another county road as
> a template, set the network as US:KS:Douglas (and have also tried US:KS:CR)
>
>
Richard is correct. Kansas doesn't have any county road shields defined
yet. Phil started off with data that actually exists and at the time Kansas
didn't have any county relations. I will try putting together a sensible
list for the state.


> Also, is there a way to fix the Kansas Turnpike shield. The KTA shield is
> not rendered as a cutout anywhere, even on guide signs.
>
>
It was a style choice by Phil to do all shields as cutouts. I think it
looks pretty good and having one that isn't a cutout may look odd... or
not. I don't know. But yes, it can of course be changed.


> [As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand for
> 'North' or 'East,']
>
>
>
TIGER didn't get the memo apparently

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 8/7/13 4:33 PM, Richie Kennedy wrote:
Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I'm having trouble getting 
county road shields in my area to render.


Example: 
http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#16/39.0031/-95.3842


it may be that the shield configuration files need to be updated. i 
don't see a configuration file for US:KS,
so Kansas County Route shields may not be in place yet. Phil or Toby can 
clarify this.
I have made County Road 1029 a relation and, using another county road 
as a template, set the network as US:KS:Douglas (and have also tried 
US:KS:CR)


you should probably use the county name, as US:KS:CR is likely 
ambiguous. i know it would be in NY,

which is why we just finished correcting those.

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richie Kennedy]

Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I'm having trouble getting
county road shields in my area to render.

Example:
http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#16/39.0031/-95.3842

I have made County Road 1029 a relation and, using another county road as a
template, set the network as US:KS:Douglas (and have also tried US:KS:CR)

Also, is there a way to fix the Kansas Turnpike shield. The KTA shield is
not rendered as a cutout anywhere, even on guide signs.

[As an aside, the 'N' and 'E' on Douglas County roads do *not* stand for
'North' or 'East,']

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[John F. Eldredge]

Sorry, that was supposed to say "imagining", not "imaging".

"John F. Eldredge"  wrote:
> Does anyone else besides me keep imaging Pavel Chekov (from
> original-series Star Trek) announcing "shields are up" with a heavy
> Russian accent?
> 
> 
> Paul Johnson  wrote:
> > Strangely, the Oklahoma Turnpikes that have relations aren't showing
> > up on
> > the osm.us tile server.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM, James Mast
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > In a previous e-mail to the list, he said that relations for
> > "Turnpikes"
> > > were based off the name tag for the relation, while the ones that
> > had
> > > numbers shields were based off the "network + ref" tags in the
> > relations
> > > avoiding the name tag entirely.
> > >
> > > -James
> > >
> > > --
> > > From: lordsu...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:30:24 -0500
> > > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM, James Mast
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm curious, but has a solution been found for the problem with
> the
> > PA
> > > Turnpike because of having to split up the ways into separate ones
> > for each
> > > direction because of the relation getting close to the "1000 way"
> > limit
> > > we've imposed?
> > >
> > > I still think that using the "super" relation I created to tie the
> > route
> > > together could be used instead for applying the shields over the
> > separate
> > > ways for each direction.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why/how directional relations would be a problem; I
> > have the
> > > signed part of I-22 labeled with separate east/west relations yet
> > there
> > > aren't 2x the number of I-22 shields as there are US 78 shields
> > (which is a
> > > single relation).
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/33.6875/-87.0588
> > >
> > > (For routing applications we probably want directional relations
> > anyway,
> > > since directional heuristics based on geography aren't always
> right
> > in
> > > terms of the signed/"logical" route direction.)
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 8/6/13 10:49 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
Strangely, the Oklahoma Turnpikes that have relations aren't showing 
up on the osm.us  tile server.


there are a number of things still to be resolved in many places. the 
thing to do is identify problems
and then pitch in fixing them. a couple of upstate NY mappers and i are 
working to deal with
what we're seeing around here, which involves a combination of 
fixing/adding relations and
helping to complete the shield definitions.  the same thing needs to be 
done in a lot of places,
and probably is best addressed by moving off list into direct 
communication with Phil and Toby.


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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[John F. Eldredge]

Does anyone else besides me keep imaging Pavel Chekov (from original-series 
Star Trek) announcing "shields are up" with a heavy Russian accent?


Paul Johnson  wrote:
> Strangely, the Oklahoma Turnpikes that have relations aren't showing
> up on
> the osm.us tile server.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM, James Mast
> wrote:
> 
> > In a previous e-mail to the list, he said that relations for
> "Turnpikes"
> > were based off the name tag for the relation, while the ones that
> had
> > numbers shields were based off the "network + ref" tags in the
> relations
> > avoiding the name tag entirely.
> >
> > -James
> >
> > --
> > From: lordsu...@gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:30:24 -0500
> > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM, James Mast
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm curious, but has a solution been found for the problem with the
> PA
> > Turnpike because of having to split up the ways into separate ones
> for each
> > direction because of the relation getting close to the "1000 way"
> limit
> > we've imposed?
> >
> > I still think that using the "super" relation I created to tie the
> route
> > together could be used instead for applying the shields over the
> separate
> > ways for each direction.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure why/how directional relations would be a problem; I
> have the
> > signed part of I-22 labeled with separate east/west relations yet
> there
> > aren't 2x the number of I-22 shields as there are US 78 shields
> (which is a
> > single relation).
> >
> >
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/33.6875/-87.0588
> >
> > (For routing applications we probably want directional relations
> anyway,
> > since directional heuristics based on geography aren't always right
> in
> > terms of the signed/"logical" route direction.)
> >
> >
> > Chris
> > --
> > Chris Lawrence 
> >
> > Website: http://www.cnlawrence.com/
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Paul Johnson]

Strangely, the Oklahoma Turnpikes that have relations aren't showing up on
the osm.us tile server.


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:55 AM, James Mast wrote:

> In a previous e-mail to the list, he said that relations for "Turnpikes"
> were based off the name tag for the relation, while the ones that had
> numbers shields were based off the "network + ref" tags in the relations
> avoiding the name tag entirely.
>
> -James
>
> --
> From: lordsu...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:30:24 -0500
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM, James Mast wrote:
>
> I'm curious, but has a solution been found for the problem with the PA
> Turnpike because of having to split up the ways into separate ones for each
> direction because of the relation getting close to the "1000 way" limit
> we've imposed?
>
> I still think that using the "super" relation I created to tie the route
> together could be used instead for applying the shields over the separate
> ways for each direction.
>
>
> I'm not sure why/how directional relations would be a problem; I have the
> signed part of I-22 labeled with separate east/west relations yet there
> aren't 2x the number of I-22 shields as there are US 78 shields (which is a
> single relation).
>
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/33.6875/-87.0588
>
> (For routing applications we probably want directional relations anyway,
> since directional heuristics based on geography aren't always right in
> terms of the signed/"logical" route direction.)
>
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Lawrence 
>
> Website: http://www.cnlawrence.com/
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[James Mast]

In a previous e-mail to the list, he said that relations for "Turnpikes" were 
based off the name tag for the relation, while the ones that had numbers 
shields were based off the "network + ref" tags in the relations avoiding the 
name tag entirely.

-James

From: lordsu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 23:30:24 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM, James Mast  wrote:





I'm curious, but has a solution been found for the problem with the PA Turnpike 
because of having to split up the ways into separate ones for each direction 
because of the relation getting close to the "1000 way" limit we've imposed?



I still think that using the "super" relation I created to tie the route 
together could be used instead for applying the shields over the separate ways 
for each direction.



I'm not sure why/how directional relations would be a problem; I have the 
signed part of I-22 labeled with separate east/west relations yet there aren't 
2x the number of I-22 shields as there are US 78 shields (which is a single 
relation).



http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/33.6875/-87.0588

(For routing applications we probably want directional relations anyway, since 
directional heuristics based on geography aren't always right in terms of the 
signed/"logical" route direction.)



Chris-- 
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Chris Lawrence]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM, James Mast wrote:

> I'm curious, but has a solution been found for the problem with the PA
> Turnpike because of having to split up the ways into separate ones for each
> direction because of the relation getting close to the "1000 way" limit
> we've imposed?
>
> I still think that using the "super" relation I created to tie the route
> together could be used instead for applying the shields over the separate
> ways for each direction.
>

I'm not sure why/how directional relations would be a problem; I have the
signed part of I-22 labeled with separate east/west relations yet there
aren't 2x the number of I-22 shields as there are US 78 shields (which is a
single relation).

http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/33.6875/-87.0588

(For routing applications we probably want directional relations anyway,
since directional heuristics based on geography aren't always right in
terms of the signed/"logical" route direction.)


Chris
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[James Mast]

I'm curious, but has a solution been found for the problem with the PA Turnpike 
because of having to split up the ways into separate ones for each direction 
because of the relation getting close to the "1000 way" limit we've imposed?

I still think that using the "super" relation I created to tie the route 
together could be used instead for applying the shields over the separate ways 
for each direction.

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 8/2/13 9:12 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Richard Welty > wrote:



how frequently do the tiles get updated right now? i'm treating this
as a reason to fix the network tags for county routes in upstate NY
and it'd be nice to see the changes actually have an effect.


New tile should show up roughly every hour.

ok. i have some network tags i updated several days ago and the
shields haven't appeared, i'll have to go back and see what mistake
i might have made with the update.

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

>
> how frequently do the tiles get updated right now? i'm treating this
> as a reason to fix the network tags for county routes in upstate NY
> and it'd be nice to see the changes actually have an effect.
>
>
New tile should show up roughly every hour.
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 8/2/13 1:36 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
Well Alex whipped up some quick leaflet action and then I took it and 
added some minimal geocoding so you can jump to places easier. The 
current result can be viewed here:


http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/


thanks, that helps a lot.

how frequently do the tiles get updated right now? i'm treating this
as a reason to fix the network tags for county routes in upstate NY
and it'd be nice to see the changes actually have an effect.

thanks,
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Toby Murray]

Well Alex whipped up some quick leaflet action and then I took it and added
some minimal geocoding so you can jump to places easier. The current result
can be viewed here:

http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/

With the source being here if someone wants to make it prettier :)
https://gist.github.com/ToeBee/6119134

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Kevin Kenny]

On 07/29/2013 08:17 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

On 7/29/13 1:02 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:

Toby Murray writes:
  > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on
the OSM-US
  > server today! You can see the tiles here:
  >
  > http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html

Looks good for New York State! Well done! Also looks like I need to
start editing my local county roads so they can have shields, too.


i agree with Russ, NY looks good for areas that have the needed
relations.

one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
should we deal with this or let it go?


It might be worthwhile picking up the nonstandard color of the
Nassau and Suffolk county markers. Beyond that, I'm inclined to
say, "let it go."

I happened to notice while driving through the Catskills last
week that Ulster and Greene counties use the county outline and
the pentagon intermixed higgledy-piggledy, although in most cases
the pentagonal signs looked newer.

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[Paul Johnson]

Would be pretty epic if that happened.  I realize that shields in other
regions (the UK and the EU in particular) tend to be as uninspired as Osage
County roads, but still, being able to render something to keep your eyes
peeled for (handy if you're not familiar with the area) instead of
something generic and ugly (sorry, but when it comes to refs, the Ordnance
Survey the current mapnik stylesheet uses just doesn't scratch my back).
 Would also promote usage of the route relations, which is a _way_ more
elegant way of handling route refs instead of (incorrectly) attributing it
to the way.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Evin Fairchild  wrote:

> These shields look really great! They're much better than what we had
> before. Now this will give me a good reason to create relations for
> highways, since many highways in Washington state are lacking in relations.
>
> And, sorry if I sound impatient, but when will the shields be up on the
> main OSM map?
>
> -Compdude
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:59 PM, stevea  wrote:
>
>> On 2013-07-29 11:12 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
>>>
 can someone please explain to me where to find documentation on the
 trick
 that's being used to generate customized SVG files for each of the
 counties
 based on the pentagonal shields?

>>>
>>> There's no trick, unfortunately. I'm just embedding images that I
>>> created and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and linking the images to the
>>> templates that the slippy map would likely use.
>>>
>>
>> This is a ridiculously well-written how-to guide.  Thank you kindly, and
>> nice job, Minh!
>>
>> SteveA
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[Evin Fairchild]

These shields look really great! They're much better than what we had
before. Now this will give me a good reason to create relations for
highways, since many highways in Washington state are lacking in relations.

And, sorry if I sound impatient, but when will the shields be up on the
main OSM map?

-Compdude


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:59 PM, stevea  wrote:

> On 2013-07-29 11:12 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
>>
>>> can someone please explain to me where to find documentation on the trick
>>> that's being used to generate customized SVG files for each of the
>>> counties
>>> based on the pentagonal shields?
>>>
>>
>> There's no trick, unfortunately. I'm just embedding images that I created
>> and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and linking the images to the templates
>> that the slippy map would likely use.
>>
>
> This is a ridiculously well-written how-to guide.  Thank you kindly, and
> nice job, Minh!
>
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[stevea]

On 2013-07-29 11:12 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

can someone please explain to me where to find documentation on the trick
that's being used to generate customized SVG files for each of the counties
based on the pentagonal shields?


There's no trick, unfortunately. I'm just embedding images that I 
created and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and linking the images to 
the templates that the slippy map would likely use.


This is a ridiculously well-written how-to guide.  Thank you kindly, 
and nice job, Minh!


SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Weait]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:
> We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US
> server today!

Fan.  Tas.  Tic.

Bravo.  Seeing the multi-plex signs is awesome and miles ahead of
anything done anywhere else.

http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#12/39.7195/-86.1093

Thank you, Phil, Toby, Ian, et al.  it is wonderful to see this
running after years of hacks and hopes.  Seeing this come to life is
like falling in love all over again.  :-)

Best regards,
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[Richard Welty]

On 7/30/13 2:48 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:

Phil! Gold writes:
  > I would not at all object if people put together similar references for
  > other states with diverse county sign styles.  :)

Wikipedia to the rescue?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_routes_in_New_York


helpful but perhaps not complete. i've started putting together a NY page
in the OSM wiki for route relations and i'll certainly find this 
reference useful.


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On 2013-07-29 11:12 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

can someone please explain to me where to find documentation on the trick
that's being used to generate customized SVG files for each of the counties
based on the pentagonal shields?


There's no trick, unfortunately. I'm just embedding images that I 
created and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and linking the images to the 
templates that the slippy map would likely use.


Luckily for you, roadgeeks have already uploaded a great many New York 
county route shields to Commons:





For those that haven't been uploaded yet:

0. Install the free Roadgeek 2005 Series fonts, which mimic Highway 
Gothic. All the shields I've dealt with use Roadgeek 2005 Series B-D. 
 (The font files 
themselves are licensed for non-commercial use, but their output is an 
exact replica of a U.S. federal government design that's in the public 
domain.)


1. Locate a suitable SVG template at Commons. 
 
(These templates are all freely licensed or in the public domain.)


2. In your favorite SVG editor -- I use Inkscape , 
but Illustrator works too -- enter the county name and route number.


3. Commons doesn't have the Roadgeek fonts installed, so text will be 
set in a hideous serif font. To preserve the letterforms, select each 
text box and go to Path > Object to Path (Shift+Ctrl+C).


4. Upload the files to Commons. 
 If the shield 
uses the standard blue pentagon design, name it "Anywhere County 123" 
and assign it to the categories "Diagrams of New York county route 
markers" and "Diagrams of county route markers with county name". 
Otherwise, call it "Anywhere County Route 123 NY" and assign it to 
"Diagrams of county route markers with county name". Naming the file 
according to this scheme helps Wikipedia route templates to 
automatically pick it up.


5. Back at the OSM Wiki page, use this linked image syntax:

[[File:Anywhere County Route 123 NY.svg|48x48px|link=File:County Road 
square template green.svg]]


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[Russ Nelson]

Phil! Gold writes:
 > I would not at all object if people put together similar references for
 > other states with diverse county sign styles.  :)

Wikipedia to the rescue?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_routes_in_New_York

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Toby Murray]

We're still working on the settings. Right now tiles are only cached for 5
minutes. For high zoom tiles that might work ok but it makes it annoying to
zoom out because the lower zoom tiles take so long to render.

Phil, Any ideas as to why Kansas and Nebraska are completely devoid of
interstate shields at zoom levels 7-9?
http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#7/38.978/-97.549

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 7/29/13 2:06 PM, Richard Welty wrote:

On 7/29/13 1:34 PM, Phil! Gold wrote:

If you can get me a list of what New York counties use which sign 
styles,

I'll work on getting the rendering to match them.  For what it's worth,
Minh Nguyen has been working with other Ohio mappers to both get Ohio's
county routes into OSM and to document the signage (and the tagging
they're using) at 
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Ohio/Route_relations/Networks ;

I would not at all object if people put together similar references for
other states with diverse county sign styles.  :)


i will shamelessly steal this format.

can someone please explain to me where to find documentation on the trick
that's being used to generate customized SVG files for each of the counties
based on the pentagonal shields?

thanks,
   richard


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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Richard Welty]

On 7/29/13 1:34 PM, Phil! Gold wrote:

* Richard Welty  [2013-07-29 08:17 -0400]:

one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
should we deal with this or let it go?

I'd prefer to deal with it.  I'd like the shields to match actual road
signs as much as possible.

i'll start putting documentation together in the wiki.

If you can get me a list of what New York counties use which sign styles,
I'll work on getting the rendering to match them.  For what it's worth,
Minh Nguyen has been working with other Ohio mappers to both get Ohio's
county routes into OSM and to document the signage (and the tagging
they're using) at http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Ohio/Route_relations/Networks ;
I would not at all object if people put together similar references for
other states with diverse county sign styles.  :)


i will shamelessly steal this format.

richard


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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Michal Migurski]

On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Phil! Gold wrote:

> * Michal Migurski  [2013-07-29 00:40 -0700]:
>> I wonder if this would be helpful: I've been generating weekly generalized 
>> datasets of route relations.
>> 
>>  http://openstreetmap.us/~migurski/streets-and-routes/
>> 
>> The tiles take a little while to render, so I wonder whether using an 
>> intermediate data set would cut some corners while reducing repeat labels?
> 
> One of my goals with this project was to make a rendering that works off a
> minutely-updated rendering database.  It could probably be adapted to work
> off postprocessed datasets like your generalized route relations (though I
> don't know (because I haven't looked at your data) whether shield clusters
> would be easily derivable), but I think that having a minutely-driven
> rendering is really beneficial to mappers working on data the rendering
> highlights.

This is true. Mine works because the whole set is recalculated periodically. It 
would not handle the minute-update case. In theory it could be made to, but 
that's engineering I've not yet handled.

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[Mike N]

On 7/28/2013 11:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote:

We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the
OSM-US server today! You can see the tiles here:

http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html


 Super - thanks to all involved!



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[Phil! Gold]

* Michal Migurski  [2013-07-29 00:40 -0700]:
> I wonder if this would be helpful: I've been generating weekly generalized 
> datasets of route relations.
> 
>   http://openstreetmap.us/~migurski/streets-and-routes/
> 
> The tiles take a little while to render, so I wonder whether using an 
> intermediate data set would cut some corners while reducing repeat labels?

One of my goals with this project was to make a rendering that works off a
minutely-updated rendering database.  It could probably be adapted to work
off postprocessed datasets like your generalized route relations (though I
don't know (because I haven't looked at your data) whether shield clusters
would be easily derivable), but I think that having a minutely-driven
rendering is really beneficial to mappers working on data the rendering
highlights.

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[Phil! Gold]

* Richard Welty  [2013-07-29 08:17 -0400]:
> one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
> yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
> automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
> should we deal with this or let it go?

I'd prefer to deal with it.  I'd like the shields to match actual road
signs as much as possible.

If you can get me a list of what New York counties use which sign styles,
I'll work on getting the rendering to match them.  For what it's worth,
Minh Nguyen has been working with other Ohio mappers to both get Ohio's
county routes into OSM and to document the signage (and the tagging
they're using) at http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Ohio/Route_relations/Networks ;
I would not at all object if people put together similar references for
other states with diverse county sign styles.  :)

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[Phil! Gold]

* Toby Murray  [2013-07-28 22:38 -0500]:
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html

Awesome!  Thanks for all your work in making this happen!

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> I run a set of pages designed to monitor Interstate, US route and State
> Route relations at
> http://maproulette.org/relationpages/
> The pages are being refreshed every four hours.
> They could do with some TLC for which I currently lack the time:
> * Support for sub State level relations
> * A nice index page.
> https://github.com/mvexel/relationpages is where you contribute.

I worked on the Iowa state routes a while back... would it be possible
to add county routes to this?

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[Steven Johnson]

This is just great. There are a few extra shields on I-95 south of WashDC
and on I-66 west, but otherwise the national capital region looks very
good. Good work, all.

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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> The pentagonal shields are the default MUTCD route shield, so it's
> acceptable for situations where county route sign shields are not otherwise
> known.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
>
>> On 7/29/13 1:02 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> Toby Murray writes:
>>>   > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the
>>> OSM-US
>>>   > server today! You can see the tiles here:
>>>   >
>>>   > 
>>> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/**osmus_shields/preview.html
>>>
>>> Looks good for New York State! Well done! Also looks like I need to
>>> start editing my local county roads so they can have shields, too.
>>>
>>>  i agree with Russ, NY looks good for areas that have the needed
>> relations.
>>
>> one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
>> yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
>> automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
>> should we deal with this or let it go?
>>
>> richard
>>
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[Paul Johnson]

The pentagonal shields are the default MUTCD route shield, so it's
acceptable for situations where county route sign shields are not otherwise
known.


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Richard Welty wrote:

> On 7/29/13 1:02 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:
>
>> Toby Murray writes:
>>   > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the
>> OSM-US
>>   > server today! You can see the tiles here:
>>   >
>>   > 
>> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/**osmus_shields/preview.html
>>
>> Looks good for New York State! Well done! Also looks like I need to
>> start editing my local county roads so they can have shields, too.
>>
>>  i agree with Russ, NY looks good for areas that have the needed
> relations.
>
> one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
> yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
> automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
> should we deal with this or let it go?
>
> richard
>
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[Kathleen Danielson]

These look *amazing. * Great work!!!


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:

> We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US
> server today! You can see the tiles here:
>
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html
>
> This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles set
> up in a pretty leaflet UI or something.
>
> Toby
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[Richard Welty]

On 7/29/13 1:02 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:

Toby Murray writes:
  > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US
  > server today! You can see the tiles here:
  >
  > http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html

Looks good for New York State! Well done! Also looks like I need to
start editing my local county roads so they can have shields, too.


i agree with Russ, NY looks good for areas that have the needed
relations.

one thing to consider in NY, though - not all counties use the
yellow-on-blue pentagonal County Route signs. right now it's
automagically using that style shield for all county routes.
should we deal with this or let it go?

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[Michal Migurski]

On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote:

> We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US 
> server today! You can see the tiles here:
> 
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html
> 
> This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles set up 
> in a pretty leaflet UI or something.

This is so great.

I wonder if this would be helpful: I've been generating weekly generalized 
datasets of route relations.

http://openstreetmap.us/~migurski/streets-and-routes/

The tiles take a little while to render, so I wonder whether using an 
intermediate data set would cut some corners while reducing repeat labels?


http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#10/37.2817/-121.0762 
(repeat labels)

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Toby Murray]

As can be seen on Martijn's pages, there is no route relation for LA 12. It
is a member of some odd route relation:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2320011

But this rendering is looking for a route relation with a network=US:LA and
ref=12 tag.

Toby



On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> I run a set of pages designed to monitor Interstate, US route and State
> Route relations at
> http://maproulette.org/relationpages/
> The pages are being refreshed every four hours.
> They could do with some TLC for which I currently lack the time:
> * Support for sub State level relations
> * A nice index page.
> https://github.com/mvexel/relationpages is where you contribute.
> Martijn
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> > Shield rendering is dependant on valid route relations existing.
>>
>> For LA 12 the route relation is there, but the route designator still
>> shows up as a generic oval, not a shield:
>>
>>
>> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#14/30.3074/-93.7157
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Clay Smalley wrote:
>> > Most shields that have black backgrounds have them removed. It seems
>> like
>> > a stylistic thing, and I think it looks good.
>>
>> For the US shields it looks fine. For the Texas FM/RM shields, though?
>> It just doesn't look right to me.
>>
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[Russ Nelson]

Toby Murray writes:
 > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US
 > server today! You can see the tiles here:
 > 
 > http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html

Looks good for New York State! Well done! Also looks like I need to
start editing my local county roads so they can have shields, too.

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[Martijn van Exel]

I run a set of pages designed to monitor Interstate, US route and State
Route relations at
http://maproulette.org/relationpages/
The pages are being refreshed every four hours.
They could do with some TLC for which I currently lack the time:
* Support for sub State level relations
* A nice index page.
https://github.com/mvexel/relationpages is where you contribute.
Martijn


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Shield rendering is dependant on valid route relations existing.
>
> For LA 12 the route relation is there, but the route designator still
> shows up as a generic oval, not a shield:
>
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#14/30.3074/-93.7157
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Clay Smalley wrote:
> > Most shields that have black backgrounds have them removed. It seems like
> > a stylistic thing, and I think it looks good.
>
> For the US shields it looks fine. For the Texas FM/RM shields, though?
> It just doesn't look right to me.
>
> --
>   Shawn K. Quinn
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Paul Johnson]

Yeah, the lack of the black sillo on the texas FM/RM sheilds might collide
with the similar brown Rec road shields if the backgrounds on that were
dropped, too.  Still not terribly happy with the idea that FM and RM roads
are mapped as different networks when they're the same network, with the
sole exception of Ranch Road 1, which is in the ranch network by itself,
under TxDOT's own system.  /nitpick


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Shield rendering is dependant on valid route relations existing.
>
> For LA 12 the route relation is there, but the route designator still
> shows up as a generic oval, not a shield:
>
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#14/30.3074/-93.7157
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Clay Smalley wrote:
> > Most shields that have black backgrounds have them removed. It seems like
> > a stylistic thing, and I think it looks good.
>
> For the US shields it looks fine. For the Texas FM/RM shields, though?
> It just doesn't look right to me.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Shield rendering is dependant on valid route relations existing.

For LA 12 the route relation is there, but the route designator still
shows up as a generic oval, not a shield:

http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#14/30.3074/-93.7157

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Clay Smalley wrote:
> Most shields that have black backgrounds have them removed. It seems like
> a stylistic thing, and I think it looks good.

For the US shields it looks fine. For the Texas FM/RM shields, though?
It just doesn't look right to me.

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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Clay Smalley]

Most shields that have black backgrounds have them removed. It seems like a
stylistic thing, and I think it looks good.
On Jul 28, 2013 8:59 PM, "Shawn K. Quinn"  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
> > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the
> > OSM-US
> > server today! You can see the tiles here:
> >
> > http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html
> >
> > This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles
> > set
> > up in a pretty leaflet UI or something.
> >
> > Toby
>
> Most of them look pretty good. The Texas FM/RM road shields need work
> though (missing the black backgrounds), and I'm assuming Louisiana
> shields aren't done yet?
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Paul Johnson]

Shield rendering is dependant on valid route relations existing.


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
> > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the
> > OSM-US
> > server today! You can see the tiles here:
> >
> > http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html
> >
> > This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles
> > set
> > up in a pretty leaflet UI or something.
> >
> > Toby
>
> Most of them look pretty good. The Texas FM/RM road shields need work
> though (missing the black backgrounds), and I'm assuming Louisiana
> shields aren't done yet?
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
> We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the
> OSM-US
> server today! You can see the tiles here:
> 
> http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html
> 
> This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles
> set
> up in a pretty leaflet UI or something.
> 
> Toby

Most of them look pretty good. The Texas FM/RM road shields need work
though (missing the black backgrounds), and I'm assuming Louisiana
shields aren't done yet?

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[Talk-us] Shields are up!

[Toby Murray]

We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US
server today! You can see the tiles here:

http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html

This is a pretty basic preview for now. I'll look at getting the tiles set
up in a pretty leaflet UI or something.

Toby
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