Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Mike Thompson]

Is there any information regarding parking for those of us who will be
commuting?

Mike

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Alan Bragg  wrote:

> ​Thanks Ian,
> I've been looking at that web site once a month since I bought my ticket
> and never noticed you have to click on the sheet of paper in the upper
> right corner to see all the important information. I was feeling pretty
> stupid but then found that at least one other person had the same problem.
> A clickable link might get the information out to others like me.
> Looking forward to SOTM Boulder.
> Alan
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Please check our website for some more information about the schedule and
>> suggested hotels:
>>
>> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>
>> -Ian
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2017 05:50, "Alan Bragg"  wrote:
>>
>>> I've got my ticket but no idea when to arrive or depart and not miss any
>>> of the events. Specific time of day start and end would make it easier to
>>> book flights. Program schedule would help.
>>> Also need suggestions on housing.
>>>
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[Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Alan Bragg]

​Thanks Ian,
I've been looking at that web site once a month since I bought my ticket
and never noticed you have to click on the sheet of paper in the upper
right corner to see all the important information. I was feeling pretty
stupid but then found that at least one other person had the same problem.
A clickable link might get the information out to others like me.
Looking forward to SOTM Boulder.
Alan


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> Please check our website for some more information about the schedule and
> suggested hotels:
>
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>
> -Ian
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 05:50, "Alan Bragg"  wrote:
>
>> I've got my ticket but no idea when to arrive or depart and not miss any
>> of the events. Specific time of day start and end would make it easier to
>> book flights. Program schedule would help.
>> Also need suggestions on housing.
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Ian Dees]

There isn't right now, but we do have some conversations going with the
University about getting some spots designated for the conference at the
nearby parking garage.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Is there any information regarding parking for those of us who will be
> commuting?
>
>
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[Talk-us] Post-Harvey & Irma Images from Digital Globe

[Jeffrey Ollie]

Digital Globe has released some imagery of the areas affected by Hurricanes
Harvey & Irma. It was just raw TIFFs though. Before I spend a lot of time
figuring a more convenient way to look at these images I was wondering if
anyone had already done so.

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Re: [Talk-us] Post-Harvey & Irma Images from Digital Globe

[Ian Dees]

Yep, OpenAerialMap has them tiled:

https://tiles.openaerialmap.org/irma-post-event/0/preview#11/18.1113/-63.1137

Use this template:
https://tiles.openaerialmap.org/irma-post-event/0/{z}/{x}/{y}.png

-Ian

PS: Check out the OSM US Slack, where we're doing some light coordination
on this in the #disasters channel. https://osmus-slack.herokuapp.com/

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Jeffrey Ollie  wrote:

> Digital Globe has released some imagery of the areas affected by
> Hurricanes Harvey & Irma. It was just raw TIFFs though. Before I spend a
> lot of time figuring a more convenient way to look at these images I was
> wondering if anyone had already done so.
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Mike Thompson]

Thanks Ian

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> There isn't right now, but we do have some conversations going with the
> University about getting some spots designated for the conference at the
> nearby parking garage.
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any information regarding parking for those of us who will be
>> commuting?
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] guidelines regarding roads access

[Greg Morgan]

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Ionut Radu - (p) 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> While editing road geometry in Phoenix we found some situations that are
> arguable, considering the private districts/neighborhoods/trailer parks
> and other strata-style developments, with/without street names and
> with/without gates at the entrance:
>
>
It is very simple.  In my case, I have enough time to tiger fixup a set of
streets and then I have to dash for work or other errands.  I wouldn't read
too much into this.


>
> - streets are mapped as residential roads with unlimited access. (ex:
> 33.5412459, -112.2150893)
>
 Hans added the gates.  So split the road at the gate and add the access
tags.  All you are doing is building on another mappers work.

- streets are mapped as residential roads with limited access after the
> gate (access=no, access=private, access=destination) (ex: 33.5315072,
> -112.0206161;
>
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5664037/history
After 17 versions on this way, I finally put in the access tags.  I was
performing another pass of the Tiger fixup in this neglected area and found
the gates.  This also means I could correctly determine where the access
tags should be added.  It is not like I can go in the gated subdivision and
survey it.  Hence the access tags were added.

I would chalk this up to various skill levels at of mappers at various
times in their mapper lives or what the mapper is interested in.  Please
add the gates if you see them and access tags were needed.  Moreover if you
look at the dual carriage ways around this way
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/499095961 you will see that these were
added three months ago.  Mappers have to have the interest in performing
this kind of work.  That's all.

Also note that the metro Phoenix area is a very large area.  We also have a
transient population.  Right about now the snowbirds from the north and the
sunbirds that live here and own property during the winter--ha ha ha--but
vacation elsewhere during the summer are showing up.  They have little
interest in mapping.

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Viet Nguyen]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one missing that.  Thanks for asking.

I think that may be a bug in the "responsive" navbar - the menu is supposed to 
show in full on tablet/desktop screen and collapse into the stack of papers 
icon on small mobile devices. 

Viet 

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Alan Bragg  wrote:
> 
> ​Thanks Ian, 
> I've been looking at that web site once a month since I bought my ticket and 
> never noticed you have to click on the sheet of paper in the upper right 
> corner to see all the important information. I was feeling pretty stupid but 
> then found that at least one other person had the same problem. A clickable 
> link might get the information out to others like me.
> Looking forward to SOTM Boulder.
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> Please check our website for some more information about the schedule and 
>> suggested hotels:
>> 
>> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>> 
>> -Ian
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2017 05:50, "Alan Bragg"  wrote:
>>> I've got my ticket but no idea when to arrive or depart and not miss any of 
>>> the events. Specific time of day start and end would make it easier to book 
>>> flights. Program schedule would help.
>>> Also need suggestions on housing.
>>> 
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[Talk-us] wtsp.com using OSM for detour maps

[James Mast]

http://www.wtsp.com/news/flooding-could-close-i-75-as-floridians-try-to-get-home/474415152
[http://content.wtsp.com/photo/2017/09/13/map_1505321021730_10880901_ver1.0.PNG]

Flooding could close I-75 as Floridians try to get 
home
www.wtsp.com
"The Santa Fe River under I-75 has rapidly risen 15 feet within the past 36 
hours due to the heavy rainfall over North Florida from Hurricane Irma," 
Highway Patrol Spokesman Steve Gaskins said.



Thought this was kinda cool.
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Re: [Talk-us] wtsp.com using OSM for detour maps

[Nathan Mills]

I've seen several other uses in local media as well, but no links since I'm 
stuck on my phone for a good long while..

-Nathan 

On September 14, 2017 12:06:38 AM EDT, James Mast  
wrote:
>http://www.wtsp.com/news/flooding-could-close-i-75-as-floridians-try-to-get-home/474415152
>[http://content.wtsp.com/photo/2017/09/13/map_1505321021730_10880901_ver1.0.PNG]
>
>Flooding could close I-75 as Floridians try to get
>home
>www.wtsp.com
>"The Santa Fe River under I-75 has rapidly risen 15 feet within the
>past 36 hours due to the heavy rainfall over North Florida from
>Hurricane Irma," Highway Patrol Spokesman Steve Gaskins said.
>
>
>
>Thought this was kinda cool.

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Re: [Talk-us] wtsp.com using OSM for detour maps

[Bill Ricker]

> Thought this was kinda cool.

Since at least one version on their webpage includes the OSM
copyright, yes, yes it is cool !

But kinda tough on the roads and folks using them. That bridge could
be in trouble.

<< Other bridges, including S.R. 47, could be impacted, Gaskins said.
There’s also a chance U.S. 121 could be impacted.
<< The river will likely crest at historic levels, Florida Department
of Transportation officials said.
<< “The Santa Fe River under I-75 has rapidly risen 15 feet within the
past 36 hours due to the heavy rainfall
<< over North Florida from Hurricane Irma,” the officials said.

Well yes. According to the (provisional) data from the stream-gauge
there, it is already at historic levels.
And may be close to crested.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=jax=olpf1

Tonight's stage 56.83ft edges the 2012 record historic crest 54.44 ft
on 06/29/2012, which was already an outliers above 9+ mid-forties
stages, all from this decade.
But this appears to be a recent gauge so lack of older history isn't
surprising. (Downstream the gauge at US-441 has records to WW2 or
earlier.)


But from the look of the flood-plain, the bridge and the
raised-roadbed leading to it is at exactly the level of the level of
pre-historic flooding, so I-75 is now a dike separating the flood
plain into two basins with only a small drain under the bridge.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Ian Dees]

Hi Alan,

Please check our website for some more information about the schedule and
suggested hotels:

https://2017.stateofthemap.us/

-Ian

On Sep 13, 2017 05:50, "Alan Bragg"  wrote:

> I've got my ticket but no idea when to arrive or depart and not miss any
> of the events. Specific time of day start and end would make it easier to
> book flights. Program schedule would help.
> Also need suggestions on housing.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Kristin Rollins]

Ah, there is a menu linked from the top right of the page. That layout
may be familiar on mobile devices, but that icon didn't attract my
attention in a full-screen desktop browser window.
Kristin


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017, at 09:10 AM, Kristin Rollins wrote:
> I am not sure what site has suggested hotels or more info about the
> schedule, but it isn't readily apparent from the page linked.> 
> Kristin
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017, at 08:24 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> Please check our website for some more information about the schedule
>> and suggested hotels:>> 
>> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>> 
>> -Ian
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2017 05:50, "Alan Bragg"  wrote:
>>> I've got my ticket but no idea when to arrive or depart and not miss
>>> any of the events. Specific time of day start and end would make it
>>> easier to book flights. Program schedule would help.>>> Also need 
>>> suggestions on housing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] guidelines regarding roads access

[Andrew Matheny]

I agree with everything Greg has said.

In the US, whether you tag a highway residential or service should
generally be determined by its function, not its access.

In the case of a gated community of single family homes, the named streets
serve the same function as named streets in other non-gated single family
neighborhoods. Hence I would tag those highway=residential and then
access=private. Then service for any driveways or alleys.

In the cases of other residential uses it would depend on the context.

For townhome or other single-family attached dwellings with named roads
that resemble detached single-family neighborhoods, I'd still tag as
residential.

On Trailer parks, I could be convinced to go with either residential or
service depending on the trailer park. Some are built like high density
single family neighborhoods and have named streets, in which case I would
use a residential tag. When I've seen some (usually smaller) trailer parks
where the highways resemble driveways more than they do streets, I've given
those service tags.

I could also go either way on multi-family developments (like garden-style
apartment complexes), but usually I go with highway=service because they
function more like the interior roads of a shopping center or business park
even though they are technically residential uses. Access tags are added
when appropriate.

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Re: [Talk-us] guidelines regarding roads access

[Rihards]

On 2017.09.13. 16:13, Andrew Matheny wrote:
> I agree with everything Greg has said.
> 
> In the US, whether you tag a highway residential or service should
> generally be determined by its function, not its access. 
> 
> In the case of a gated community of single family homes, the named
> streets serve the same function as named streets in other non-gated
> single family neighborhoods. Hence I would tag those highway=residential
> and then access=private. Then service for any driveways or alleys.
> 
> In the cases of other residential uses it would depend on the context. 
> 
> For townhome or other single-family attached dwellings with named roads
> that resemble detached single-family neighborhoods, I'd still tag as
> residential.
> 
> On Trailer parks, I could be convinced to go with either residential or
> service depending on the trailer park. Some are built like high density
> single family neighborhoods and have named streets, in which case I
> would use a residential tag. When I've seen some (usually smaller)
> trailer parks where the highways resemble driveways more than they do
> streets, I've given those service tags.

if those roads/streets are indeed rather big, residential is a good tag.
if they are a bit smaller/windy, i'd go for "service" on all of them -
for example, the areas here :

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/30.40357/-97.70845=N

> I could also go either way on multi-family developments (like
> garden-style apartment complexes), but usually I go with highway=service
> because they function more like the interior roads of a shopping center
> or business park even though they are technically residential uses.
> Access tags are added when appropriate.
> 
> -Andrew
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM2017 schedule & housing

[Kristin Rollins]

I am not sure what site has suggested hotels or more info about the
schedule, but it isn't readily apparent from the page linked.
Kristin



On Wed, Sep 13, 2017, at 08:24 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Please check our website for some more information about the schedule
> and suggested hotels:> 
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
> 
> -Ian
> 
> On Sep 13, 2017 05:50, "Alan Bragg"  wrote:
>> I've got my ticket but no idea when to arrive or depart and not miss
>> any of the events. Specific time of day start and end would make it
>> easier to book flights. Program schedule would help.>> Also need suggestions 
>> on housing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] guidelines regarding roads access

[Adam Franco]

Thanks for the clear guidelines, Greg.

One additional note is that at least in my area, the TIGER import
incorrectly added access=private to many driveways and privately maintained
residential roads. Upon surveying these I've found that they are signed
"Private" or "PVT" on the street-name sign to indicate
private-maintenance/ownership (don't complain to the town about a lack of
snow-plowing/grading), but do not in reality have an access restriction.
Fixing these is a long process.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Andrew Matheny 
wrote:

> I agree with everything Greg has said.
>
> In the US, whether you tag a highway residential or service should
> generally be determined by its function, not its access.
>
> In the case of a gated community of single family homes, the named streets
> serve the same function as named streets in other non-gated single family
> neighborhoods. Hence I would tag those highway=residential and then
> access=private. Then service for any driveways or alleys.
>
> In the cases of other residential uses it would depend on the context.
>
> For townhome or other single-family attached dwellings with named roads
> that resemble detached single-family neighborhoods, I'd still tag as
> residential.
>
> On Trailer parks, I could be convinced to go with either residential or
> service depending on the trailer park. Some are built like high density
> single family neighborhoods and have named streets, in which case I would
> use a residential tag. When I've seen some (usually smaller) trailer parks
> where the highways resemble driveways more than they do streets, I've given
> those service tags.
>
> I could also go either way on multi-family developments (like garden-style
> apartment complexes), but usually I go with highway=service because they
> function more like the interior roads of a shopping center or business park
> even though they are technically residential uses. Access tags are added
> when appropriate.
>
> -Andrew
>
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Re: [Talk-us] guidelines regarding roads access

[Greg Troxel]

"Ionut Radu - (p)"  writes:

> For us it's a little bit confusing if we should map those areas with
> service, residential roads or even living streets and if there are
> some gates at the entrance if we should tag them with restrictive
> access.  So, if you know some rules or guidelines regarding those
> particular cases, please give us a feedback.

I would not use living_street unless there really is a legal notion that
matches it.

If there's a gate, and you have to have a code to get through, or if
there is a no trespassing sign, then I would mark it access=private.

It follows from access=yes/permissive that a router can send you there
and it is expected to work.  It follows from access=destination that a
router can send you there if your destination is there and that is
expected to work.  None of that is true with an unmanned code gate.

To find out, take a test drive and see how it goes (not really kidding).

If there's no right of access, but people act as if there is, I would
use access=permissive.


As far as residential vs service (ignoring unclassified/residential), in
Massachusetts I tend to do:

  public way (essentially always named) => residential
  private way  (essentially always named)=> residential

  shared driveway to 3 houses (essentially never named) => service, driveway

The big dividing line is whether the way is laid out as a lot in the
parcels map.  But this is not entirely reliable as there may be named
roads within a condo complex that are not legally separate parcels but
you would have no idea of that from being there.

The other thing is that driveways are usually either too narrow to be
real roads, or very clearly to get you from a main road to a parking lot.

So I would say that roads in gated communities that feel like roads, in
width, usage, and going by many houses, should get highway=residential,
even if not named.

You should also walk around and talk to locals and see what they think
:-)  But most non-mapping locals would think this is an odd question.


Are you armchair mapping, or actually there?


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