Re: [Tango-L] how can one attract more male dancers on the dancefloor?
Vince, 'come learn tango in order to have a womans breasts against your chest'' i dont think many women in the community would be happy with that marketing approach :) On 30 January 2011 00:29, Vince Bagusauskas vy...@hotmail.com wrote: I have heard this question for 10 years now off and on. You may consider this thread: http://tango.romanvirdi.com/there-is-no-tango.htm What about marketing tango to the male demographic as a dance where you can dance in close embrace? Vince In Melbourne -Original Message- From: Olivier Normandin Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:46 PM To: tango-l@mit.edu Subject: [Tango-L] how can one attract more male dancers on the dancefloor? Bonjour, I would like to talk about a subject that might be relevant to any Dancing community in general, any Tango community in particular: how can one attract more male dancers on the dance floor? Does anyone have any idea? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Social-ethical behaviors and protocols
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Roger Patrick rougerpatr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, If someone acts inappropriately on or off the dance-floor according to the opinion of a dancer, she/he has reason to choose not to dance with the person anymore. No-one claims everyone should have a right to get dances, and people shall be free to decide with whom they want to dance with. -- If someone acts inappropriately on or off the dance-floor according to the opinion of a dancer, she/he has reason to choose not to dance with the person anymore. No-one claims everyone should have a right to get dances, and people shall be free to decide with whom they want to dance with. - this bit struck a chord. A female friend retold me a story recently: she was talking to a man who was apparently showing a fair bit of arrogance about his ability to get dances. her response to him was 'as a female, it's best not to put a man offside' which brings home the point of supply and demand, and the gender imbalance in tango. Women will put up with a fair bit in order to get a dance, whether that be arrogance or mediocrity or sleaze...(and this is something that I have witnessed both in Australia and in BsAs) -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Abusing the available space
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Alexis Cousein a...@sgi.com wrote: Perhaps in your neck of the woods you can see a correlation and people use nuevo as a sorry excuse (i.e. claim freeedom to stand on their rights by sitting on those of others) but I don't think you see the same thing at, say Practica X. i witnessed a woman being hit in the chest by a stray boleo in Prac X -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] No Nuevo (as a style) - according to the Naveiras
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:00 AM, burak ozkosem burakta...@gmail.com wrote: There are no alternative milongas or nights that you can hear electronic tango or alternative music more than 50% of the whole playlist. There is no venue in Buenos Aires where you can hear a lot of non-Tango music for dancing purposes. Actually, there is one venue that fits this description. Milonga Otros Buenos aires (http://www.moba.thetangosite.com/blog/?p=543) was set up with that specific goal in mind abrazos -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] La Viruta (WAS Tango Styles II)
I wouild have to agree with Shahrukh. I must admit, during the year that I spent in BsAs, i only went to Viruta 3-4 times. I never even considered it a milonga, i always used to refer to it a s a night club - a pick up joint that happens to play tango music. abrazos On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Shahrukh Merchant shahr...@shahrukhmerchant.com wrote: ECSEDY ?ron a...@milonga.hu says: I see there is still this misconcept about nuevo being irregular, using large moves and causing greef to regular dancers. Well that is a misconcept fueled by ignorance. Just check out La Viruta any time outside the general 'tourist period' and you'll see that while most of the people are nuevo dancers, they are pretty much able to navigate without problems, collisions in a lot denser crowd than anywhere else on the planet. La Viruta??!!! Surely you jest. If you want to dispel the myth that Argentines have this magic Tango navigation gene as some (not recent) posts have suggested, La Viruta is the place to do it: the worst possible navigators on the planet. Oh, but just for the record, not because they are doing nuevo per se (even though they are mostly young dancers, largely Argentine) but because they are mostly beginners dancing the trademark La Viruta style of looking down at their feet instead of where they are going. In fact I would sometimes mutter, Viruteros when such a couple (at a different milonga) would bump into me (or into my protectively outstretched arm) after the man took 2 back steps in a row against line of dance without looking. And I'd generally get a knowing nod and smile from my partner. I stopped going to La Viruta in large part because of this bump-a-tanguero phenomenon (the dancers there are good natured, I will say, so couples who bump into each other smile rather than glare at each other), so I don't have recent experience: perhaps all the good navigators were merely waiting for me to leave before they started going there? :-) Shahrukh ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo Milonguero
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Tango Society of Central Illinois tango.soci...@gmail.com wrote: Yahoo has been holding 'rontango' hostage all day due to spam suspicion, so I'm posting a reply from another account --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Sorin Varzaru ta...@bostonphotographs.com wrote: Huh, I must've been to another BsAs in June and July. And maybe you should tell Tete that the way he dances is all wrong. I've seen him leading off axis moves, and reverse roles with a number of women. I actually have a picture of that. I'm assuming this was a demo. I've seen Tete dance in several milongas in both Buenos Aires and the US, and I didn't see him switch roles or lead off axis movements. Sorin , I think I know what you are talking about, as I have seen (and have been the recipient of) it a number of times while in BsAs. I have never seen Tete changing roles within the dance. What Tete *will *occasionally do (and what I suspect you were witnessing) is change the arm positions. With him, everything comes from the chest - *his*chest. The position of his arms is irrelevant - he can have his right arm or his left across the lady's back - it doesn't matter, as it in no way affects the lead. abrazos -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango Teacher DJ Reviews :: New Blog
hola alex, sounds like it will be a great resource, as long as people respect the ethos in which it was created, which is one of sharing direct knowledge and experiences (i think XYZ is great/terrible as an instructor because...). another point that i think will be important for users to remember is that even though there are lots of good teachers out there, we, as individuals, will not necessarily 'click' with every one of them. For example, while in BsAs, my partner preferred instructors with a 'softly-softly' approach, whereas i seemed to learn better with the 'don't do it that way, do it this way instead' instructors. :) suerte On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Alex Long a...@tangofuego.us wrote: After reading the thread on teacher feedback, I thought about a blog as a simple solution. I've created a quick and dirty blog so people can leave anonymous comments and feedback on teachers and DJ's. I've got a pretty good start, but a long way to go, so please bear with me. There is a post where you can leave teacher names (cities and websites, too) that I've missed. I'll add them as quickly as I am able. Anyway, here it is...and thanks in advance for putting the word out...add links to your blogs and/or websites...maybe this will be a worthwhile effort. Let me know if someone has already done this - I didn't even check with Google to see if there is already something out there. http://tangoteacherreviews.blogspot.com/ Here's my other blog, but you have to dig kinda deep to find anything about tango anymore... http://alextangofuego.blogspot.com/ Alex ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Where in BsAs do the nuevos hang out?
adding to that list : practika 8 (ocho) practica Rara also there is a new milonga (opening night is 20th April) called Otros Buenos Aires, where the organiser indents to play mostly non tango music, with a bit of Piazzolla and electrotango mixed in for good measure. I will be intesested in seeing what type of crowd it wil attract Besos from Beautiful BsAs On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Jack Dylan jackdylan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: larry...@juno.com larry...@juno.com Maybe those of you who have a lot of experience in the Buenos Aires tango scene can tell us - where do tango nuevo dancers usually go to dance? Practica X, Tango Cool, El Motivo and La Viruta. Larry, enjoy yourself. I hope you're fast on your feet to take the necessary evasive actions but, just in case, make sure your health insurance is up to date :-) Jack ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango in Santiago, Chile
Hola, Does anyone have recommendations for tango in Santiago (i am planning a 2 week trip out of BsAs for, and am afraid of going through tango withdrawal symptoms)? Besos Y abrazos -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Labor Day Festival: a complaint
Hi Nancy, We have been in Buenos Aires (where it is not acceptable for women to request a dance) since late May, and we have just returned from spending 10 days in Uruguay, where we did a bit of dancing in Montevideo, The tango scene there is definitely more relaxed, with none of the pomp and ceremony of BsAs milongas. In Montevido, invitation to dance is effected by cabaceo or verbally, both from men and from women. The invitations (the verbal ones) were not pushy or demanding, and both acceptance or rejection was delivered in a friendly manner (think of a party where someone holding a tray of finger food comes over and offers some to you - either smile and say ´yes , thanks´ or smile and say ´no, thank you´ - neither person was left feeling pressured or regected, either way). My partner found it quite refreshing, actually. now we are back in Bs As for another 3 months of pomp and ceremony :) Back in our home city in Australia, where some women do ask for dances, my parnter does occasionally get frustrated with women either demanding dances, or making comments like ´you haven´t danced with me the past ... milongas´(like being given a friendly reminder from the phone company that you bill is overdue), or giving him the puppy dog eyes, begging look. He has a hard time rejecting these demands (he is simply a big pot of honey). Sometimes he would come home from a milonga feeling that he´d come back from a hard day´s work, rather than back from a pleasant night of dancing. I often tell him that he needs to toughen up, and If anyone should demand dances from him, it should be me, right? I do realise that, in a community where everyone knows everyone else, it is harder to avoid offending someone by saying ´no´. Maybe saying ´later´ might be a better option for him and other men faced with a similar situation. In Australia, there has been many a time when having caught each other´s eye, the man is about to get up from his seat, when, out of nowhere, another woman grabs him and pulls him onto the dance floor. Aaaarrrggghh! When in Australia what I occasionally do is , while chatting to a friend, just when I am about to move on (end the conversation) I´ll say something along the lines of ´I´d love to have a dance later on´, smile and then walk away/back to my seat/get myself a drink etc. This way, the man (regardless of friendship) doesn´t feel pressured to dance with me on the spot - or at all, for that matter. It´s not a demand. It´s not begging. What it does do, however, is to give him the opportunity to ask me if or when he is ready/the music is right etc. Moreover, it is a way of letting him know that i do like dancing with him (something we all like to be reminded of, every now and then, regardless of gender). -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki www.tangotrails.blogspot.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching
from my own personal experience, I stopped taking classes in my home town
because the classes were all about STEPS ('put your left leg here, and then
your right leg there...' ) I could just as easily practice technique in a
milonga or in my own living room, without the 'pleasure ' of being
manhandled by some guy who was simply trying to get his feet in the right
spot, without it even crossing his, or the instructor's, mind that he
actually needed to learn how to LEAD.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Astrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jack Dylan wrote:
If a man is really interested in tango, he's going to dance with women
who are
interested enough to take some classes and are actually learning how to
dance
properly and are not just stumbling around while hanging on to a man's
neck.
But, like I say, maybe I'm just too cynical and I might be completely
wrong - but
I don't think so :)
I don't think, you are wrong, Jack, I wish you were...
Reminds me: couple of weeks ago I went to a milonga I do not usually
attend, and there were some middle aged men I know from other places but
don't dance with much and they had a young woman at their table... she
was dressed in a light blue ballroom gown and did not have a clue about
tango, and they were both fussing over her, taking turns in taking her
out on the dance floor where she kept wobbling in her shoes and
stumbling over her own feet, with her toes turned inward and losing her
balance at every other step as she did not know how to follow nor seemed
to know a single tango step.
I kept wondering what a big ego boost this must be for those guys, who
probably looked like God's gift to dance to a woman like that, and they
got their hands on her too...
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Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo lead and follow and repressed teaching
exactly
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Astrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The idea is to find an instructor who is able to teach you what you need to
know. Tango is not really about where you put your legs, the lead comes
first, the legs follow that.
Niki Papapetrou wrote:
from my own personal experience, I stopped taking classes in my home town
because the classes were all about STEPS ('put your left leg here, and then
your right leg there...' ) I could just as easily practice technique in a
milonga or in my own living room, without the 'pleasure ' of being
manhandled by some guy who was simply trying to get his feet in the right
spot, without it even crossing his, or the instructor's, mind that he
actually needed to learn how to LEAD.
--
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Niki
( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com )
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Re: [Tango-L] Tango Caricature
Just an aside: Capussi/Flores are the only couple in your list that dances (socially) in exactly the same way as they perform on stage (minus the costumes and make-up). Jack answers: 2 - Capussi Flores are from the theatrical school, they are hilarious, very funny, are they a caricature of tango? maybe Capussi Flores http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV6Fgptthy4 . -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango Commute
The number of people involved, perhaps? mob (mb)*n.**1. * A large disorderly crowd or throng. See Synonyms at crowdhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/crowd 1. *2. * The mass of common people; the populace. *3. * *Informal* *a. * An organized gang of criminals; a crime syndicate. *b. * often *Mob* Organized crime. Often used with *the:* a murder suspect with links to the Mob. *4. * An indiscriminate or loosely associated group of persons or things: a mob of boats in the harbor. *5. * *Australian* A flock or herd of animals. :) On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, NANCY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this our own ChrisUK? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPFUnCUG8-0 Please explain how this differs ( if it does) from a flashmob. Other than not having audible music.. Thanks, Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] lyrics translation
Hi Ira, This is my favourite vals, and the fact that hardly any Australian DJ's that I've encountered play it (I've been dancing for around 6 years, yet I've only heard it 3 times) makes it even more special. The last time I heard it was in early July, last year. My partner put on a surprise 30th birthday milonga for me, and got the band thet he had hired for the night to learn and play it for the occasion (he is still earning brownie points for that). Anyway, back to your request, you can find a translation on Jake Spatz' website, at: http://tangodc.com/lyrics/doscorazones.htm 2008/6/6 Ira Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, all-- I understand enough spanish to get the gist of these lyrics (beautiful!). Would someone please assist with a good translation? Thanks! Ira Ithaca, NY Dos corazones Waltz Music: Francisco Canaro Lyric: Ivo Pelay Cual dos gotas de claro rocío que en la noche se besan calladas, Cual dos ondas que van impulsadas a fundirse en la orilla del río. Como el fuego que envuelve el estío, como nube que abraza otra nube, así son tu cariño y el mío que se funden en un solo ideal. Con tu corazón en mi corazón el lucero azul brillará mejor. Con tu corazón en mi corazón todo en el jardín hablará de amor. Notas cristalinas llenarán tu oído y una luz divina nos envolverá. Fijaré mis ojos, en tus negros ojos, uniré mis labios, a tus labios rojos. Y mi inspiración volará al seguir, con tu corazón, en mi corazón. Cual sonoras campanas que funden sus repiques en una armonía. Como rayos de sol que confunden su fulgor con la gloria del día. Como un son que se liga a otros sones, como sombra que besa otra sombra, así son nuestros dos corazones que se funden en un solo ideal. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki tangotrails.blogspot.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango and Management Skills
I think I've seen something similar on youtube. Someone dong a presentation on business/negotiation skills, using tango as a metaphore (making initial contact, getting a feel of where the other person is, establishing trust, making and answering to requests, possible disagreements along the way, finding a common ground etc. etc. ). I'll post the link if I come across it over the next day or two. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Paul Shrivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry, Thanks for sharing LA Tango websites. I will be in Anaheim (Aug 10 Monday) presenting at a conference of the Academy of Management. My symposium focuses on using Tango to teach Management skills of leadership, communication, teamwork, risk taking etc. The audience is Management professors from around the country and abroad. The conference has 10,000 attendees but our session will be for about 150 people. So I have about 5 couples simulating a mini Milonga doing three dances. And then we discus how Tango embodies these management concepts and can be used for learning them. After the presentation we will offer a beginner lesson, and then take interested people to a local Milonga. So I will recommend your web sites to them. It is possible we may need a lead for one of our followers. Would you or someone in LA be interested? This is a volunteer effort to take Tango into a new venue. Paul Shrivastava, Ph.D. Tel 610-737-7333 www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/shrivast ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Having a ball in Buenos Aires, -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki tangotrails.blogspot.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Eduardo Perez y Gabriela Elias
Hi Rick, My partner and I are heading over to Buenos Aires in a few weeks.We'll be there for a year , and I'm looking forward to a year of total immersion in tango (and spanish). I'd be very interested in reading your articles on instructors. Would you be able to forward them on, either in tango-l or privately. thenks. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a number of articles about instructors in BsAs. One of them is about Gabriela. I'll see if I can find it in my archives and I'll post it here. Abrazos, Rick ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ( http://tangotrails.blogspot.com ) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] tall men in close embrace
I had a similar discussion with a (tall) friend with whom I used to dance quite regularly. I remember him saying that when he danced with followers much shorter than him, he made a conscious effort, not to adjust his own height, but to 'lead from the diaphragm' rather than from the chest. On Mar 10, 2008, at 10:34 AM, jackie ling wong wrote: i have two very tall guys... like alex krebs... in my beginner close embrace class. i have tried everything and still they come very close to stepping on their partner's feet. i can dance with them because i really extend but others have problems. they are beginners so i understand the problems with leaning extension, intention etc at that level. i also explain that you have to find the connection with every partner you dance with because size, height, embrace is different with each person. but... does anyone have any special advice that they find resonates with the giants? are there any differences? in emphasis? -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] tango in Canada (Vancouver)
Hi all, My partner will be heading off to Vancouver for work (and a bit of play) from 27th January till 8th Feb. any suggestions on the what/where/when of the local tango scene would be greatly appreciated. -- Yours in dance dementia, Niki ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
