Re: RTV and sig delimiter
Hello Dierk, On Friday, March 15, 2002 at 7:45:52 PM you wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part): DH I now am able to test the RTV. Congratulations :-Þ DH Now, for the lists it seems to only detect the second delimiter DH (above the list management). Some other messages also seem to be not DH correctly formatted. It detects the 'last' one. If somebody replied on a digest messages you'd have seen the 'bad side' of detecting the first one :-))) Ciao Pit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/49 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) What does it mean if there is no fortune for you? -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Re-direct Behavior/v48
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:28:13 -0500, Richard M. Newman [RMN] wrote these comments: ... I just tried the redirect option and it still works as I expect it to. The only difference is that I no longer see the X-Sender header. RMN I guess we disagree on this because we don't agree on what RMN re-direct is. RMN I think re-direct (as in v 1.53) should redirect the message so the RMN new receipient can hit reply and reply directly to the original RMN sender. But this is what it does in the current betas. The original sender is the one who originally sent the message, not the one who redirected it, and this is denoted in the 'From:' header. If you check you'll see that the 'From' address is the same in the original message and the redirected message. In a forwarded message, the From address is changed from that of the original sender to that of the person doing the forwarding. A reply to the forwarded message is automatically addressed to the person who forwarded the message. RMN I get mail the is directed/intended for other people RMN @newmangroup.com but the address is not 100% correct. Well this isn't the clients fault and how is TB! supposed to know this. If you redirect the message, TB! will dutifully leave the incorrect address as the 'From:' address. RMN If I re-direct the message to the intended person and the RMN intended person replies by hitting reply in whatever e-mail program RMN they are using, Bat 1.54 v48 or now v49, will make their reply come RMN to me or nowhere automatically if the account Reply-To is empty. The reply will be addressed to the incorrect address and not to you. What should the reply address be changed to anyway. How is TB! to know what the correct reply-to address is. It certainly cannot be your address. Why generate a reply-to header when the From header is already there and the From address is the intended address for replies to be sent? RMN Bat 1.53 will put the original sender in reply-to automatically so RMN the intended person's reply goes to the original sender. Bounce RMN in Pocomail works the same way. I don't know how similar functions RMN work in other e-mail programs. This is how it works here. RMN By my interpretation of what re-direct should be (it should RMN invisibly re-direct the mail), Beta/4849 breaks automatic RMN redirecting and only creates a work around to allow it to perform RMN however you would like. Automatic redirecting!! Oho. I've been testing with manual redirecting. Let's see. Again, it seems to work fine for me. The redirection works OK in that the From header still contains the same information as in the original message. Upon hitting reply, the new message is addressed to the From address of the original message. The only evidence that the message was redirected by me is in the header line: Resent-from: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] RMN Guess the answer really lies in, what do the developers intend RMN re-direct to accomplish? As currently implemented, it is just RMN forwarding without template type information and FWD: added to RMN the subject. I disagree. Here's an example. I forwarded a delivery failure message from my mail server back to myself and here are the headers. I highlighted the important ones: Received: from spooler by alliem.ac-martin.com (Mercury/32 v3.30); 15 Mar 02 13:58:18 -0500 X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from acmartin (192.168.0.2) by alliem.ac-martin.com (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG59; 15 Mar 02 13:58:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:58:21 -0500 **From: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] **X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **Subject: Fwd: Postmaster Notify: Delivery Failure. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=--689B4C3BB98C28 I then redirected the message and here are the headers for it: Received: from spooler by alliem.ac-martin.com (Mercury/32 v3.30); 15 Mar 02 13:54:27 -0500 X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from acmartin (192.168.0.2) by alliem.ac-martin.com (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG57; 15 Mar 02 13:54:25 -0500 Received: from spooler by alliem.ac-martin.com (Mercury/32 v3.30); 15 Mar 02 01:40:51 -0500 X-Envelope-To: Electronic Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***From: Electronic Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 1:40:40 -0500 ***Subject: Postmaster Notify: Delivery Failure. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=17152.954223170 ***Resent-from: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did this with filters so that I could check how the auto-redirecting works. - -- // \\ _\\()//_ Allie C Martin / // \\ \List Moderator and fellow end user | \__/ | TB! v1.54 Beta/49 Windows XP 5.1.2600
Re: 1.54 Beta/49
Hi Stefan, Friday, March 15, 2002, 6:39:52 PM, you wrote: 1.54 Beta/49 is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html Primarily, it should finally fix the excessive memory usage by RTV. Work fine here now, thanks. BTW: But for some encodings (for example: iso-8859-9) the displayed text are messed up. The are missing some text and some normal text are displayed as an link, Switch the encoding to none helps here. The Plain Text viewer works fine at this messages. cu, Dirk -- Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/49 (S/N 12A1F196 / Educational) under Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Beta 49: RTV memory leak gone
On Friday, March 15, 2002, 12:43:20 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote: In the last few days I already had the idea to make a small poll about when TB! is ready for the next release. And - as mentioned above - my biggest concern was the memory leak. I fully concur. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/49 on Windows XP version 5,1 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Re-direct Behavior/v48
Hello Allie, On Friday, March 15, 2002, 2:02:47 PM, you wrote: A On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:28:13 -0500, Richard M. Newman [RMN] wrote these A comments: A ... Thanks for your long and careful look at. I now see that it is working as I expect it to. I was too fixed on the contents of Reply-To: and missing the contents of From. -- Best, Richard Richard M. Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat!1.54 Beta/49 under Windows 98 4 Build A on a Pentium III 1GHz - Visit our website @ http://www.newmangroup.com and win the prize! -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Re-direct Behavior/v48
Hi Peter, On Friday, March 15, 2002 at 1:52 PM you wrote: P I've just used the redirect function to send your mail back to P yourself. You sure did and it sure works! P And there's were my problem lies: TB! should _not_ add the Reply-To P header is none were present. It already sets 'From:' to the original P value, Reply-To _is unnecessary. Ah so. You are correct again. P I'll prove if you send me the PM, I'll once redirect it without P interaction and I'll do a second redirect and delete _only_ the P Reply-To header. You'll see: result when using the answer function P _will be the same_ ... I think you are already proven it to me. Thanks. Best, Richard Richard M. Newman Chief Operating Officer, THE NEWMAN GROUP, INC. mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212-752-3351 ** Visit our site at http://www.newmangroup.com and with the prize! -- Sent Friday, March 15, 2002 @2:29 PM using The Bat!1.54 Beta/49 ** On Friday, March 15, 2002 @1:52 PM your original message was: P Hello Richard, P I've just used the redirect function to send your mail back to P yourself. P Most of the headers are gone, but that's somehow privacy headers too P so this is a different issue. P 'From' and 'Reply-To' were left intact _as they came in_. P If you send me a private mail I'll redirect this one too (back to your P self) and you'll see TB! 1.54/Beta49 adds your 'From:' as 'Reply-To:' P unless you define a Reply-To in the mail you'll send. P And there's were my problem lies: TB! should _not_ add the Reply-To P header is none were present. It already sets 'From:' to the original P value, Reply-To _is unnecessary. P I'll prove if you send me the PM, I'll once redirect it without P interaction and I'll do a second redirect and delete _only_ the P Reply-To header. You'll see: result when using the answer function P _will be the same_ ... P HTH Pit -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Bug with Do not use FROM name for REPLY-TO adress
Bonjour, See subject : this feature we can find in [ Account Properties | Templates | Replies ] does not work anymore. This problem does exist at least since Beta 29 (I do not have older betas here to make tests) A bientôt, Philippe Using 1.54 Beta/49 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 -- Philippe Gouillou - [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV : http://www.gouillou.com -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: RTV and sig delimiter
On Friday, March 15, 2002 Jacek Wojaczynski wrote: Why? Maybe because yours has in Source view: --=20 and Dierk's -- OK. That's not it. Hope RITs is aware of this problem :) regards, -- /\_/\ 640K ought to be enough for anybody. (Bill Gates, 1981). (~o o~) )'Y'( __ ( ) / Jacek Wojaczynski The Bat! 1.54 Beta/49 under Windows 95 \ -- Bez cenzury o reality show BAR http://barpolsat.interia.pl/ -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: RTV and sig delimiter
On Friday, March 15, 2002 Peter Palmreuther wrote: It detects the 'last' one. Not always. See attached picture - yours is detected correctly. Dierk's double signature isn't. Why? Maybe because yours has in Source view: --=20 and Dierk's -- PS. Now I can use RTV/HTML Viewer... at last! Thank you RIT Labs guys :) regards, -- /\_/\ Press any key... no, No, NO THAT one! (~o o~) )'Y'( __ ( ) / Jacek Wojaczynski The Bat! 1.54 Beta/49 under Windows 95 \ -- Bez cenzury o reality show BAR http://barpolsat.interia.pl/ sig-del2.png Description: PNG image
Re: Rich Text Viewer
Hi Jernej, Saturday, March 16, 2002, 3:10:50 AM, you wrote: MS Do they support extended character sets? JS Yes. They would be pretty useless for me without them, as Slovenian JS language uses 3 letters, not found in the standard character set (just JS look at my last name :) Noticed your name right away. Up until about beta 44, I think, I was seeing a Chinese character in place of i. Funny, that's not an Asian-sounding name, I thought. (^_-) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Simple cosmetics before the release?
Hi All, How many sort by 'Created' and 'Descending' (old mail at the top of the message list, new at the bottom)? Of you folks, how many would like to see more new mail in the message list, and less old mail? I have brought this up once before, I think, and it still is a pain that I think the developers might be able to fix in heartbeat. AGENT has the capability to set the scroll margin (rows) number. This means that you can force the focus to remain x rows above the end of the list. Right now, I see only two, or sometimes three new messages at a time in my message list, versus 8 read messages. I'd like very much to reverse that ratio. I want to get a bigger picture of the new mail in a folder or inbox than TB is giving me. Am I right in thinking this capability might be easily added, and that it is desirable? I certainly want it. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/47 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
