Re: BayesIt 0.4fm
Hello Alexey, Friday, September 26, 2003, 6:59:57 PM, you wrote: ANV I've finally realized the actual learning by mark as... action in BayesIt. ANV So, it is the good reason to make a new version. I have just installed 0.4fm and I have noticed a couple of odd behaviors. 1. Messages sent to the Junk Mail folder don't appear to be adding themselves to the SPAM frequency dictionary. 2. When I run Mark as Junk on multiple items the confirmation message no longer seems to return the right number. Instead it always says 1 message processed if one or more were re-classified as Spam. Keep up the good work though. BayesIt is starting to look very good indeed. -- Regards, Mark mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Official Site for the latest Beta
Hello The Bat! - Betalist, is there - like in the beta-cycle prior v.2 - an official site where I can get the latest beta of tb? -- cheers Frank [TheBat! (2.00.6)] [Windows 2000 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 4] [Hamster Version: 2.0.2.2] [powered by Intel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512MB RAM] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt 0.4fm
Hello, Mark. You wrote 27.09.2003 @ 17:44 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer The Bat! (v2.00.6) Educational MA I have just installed 0.4fm and I have noticed a couple of odd MA behaviors. MA 1. Messages sent to the Junk Mail folder don't appear to be adding MA themselves to the SPAM frequency dictionary. How did you recognize it? If you just Mark as Junk and go to the information's page of the filter, you will see the same number as before. Actually the it is only marking action, not learning. But - the actual learning will begin automatically after half a minute after you make your last mark as action - or after you receive the last letter (because the same mark as action is called from regarding procedure based on the grade). This learning process is asynchronous. Usually it takes about a minute to be completed - and then the regarding base will be reloaded. So, if you mark as... some letter, you will see the counter changed after about at least half a minute - actually after 1-1.5 minutes. If you receive a junk letter (which was automatically moved to junk folder, or which you mark as Junk by button, you may check the quantity of junk mails in the base after minute or two - but not immediately. (note, that in 2.00.15 you even don't need to manually move the letter to the junk mail - because it will be done together with mark as action - IMHO this is good new feature of 2.00.15). MA 2. When I run Mark as Junk on multiple items the confirmation MA message no longer seems to return the right number. Instead it always MA says 1 message processed if one or more were re-classified as Spam. Yeah, it is a small cosmetic issue. I tried to cause the filter to return a good result - in the sense of CP-API - if the filter with mark as action will recognize that the message is already present in the appropriate part of the base (i.e. if you mark as junk the letter which was already marked as junk before, and in the opposite case), it will return a negative answer, and The Bat! will show that 0 letters was processed This is only cosmetic message - of course, I can always return a positive result, and it is only small cosmetic feature. But it still be a small bug in this feature. I'll fix it. MA Keep up the good work though. BayesIt is starting to look very good MA indeed. Thanks' for feedback! -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 2.00.15 on WinXP Pro SP1 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.4fm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PDF file attachments
Hello Marck, On 27 September 2003, 02:34 Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MDP The message that attempted to show the pdf file on a tab had a MDP faulty content-type indicating that it was MDP text/something-or-other. Normally it would not show as MDP text/anything. MW Here's content-type header: MW Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; MW boundary=Boundary-00=_EX2SJ5ADM7OFZTJLRH88 MDP Wrong header! You need to view the source and look at the header for MDP the *attachment*, not the body. Here it is: --Boundary-00=_EX2SJ5ADM7OFZTJLRH88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From this I presume TB! treats the attachment as text. Is this assumption correct? MW I've no idea whether this is erroneous or not but would have MW thought TB! could trap problems like this. MDP No - the problem is not TB's. It's the sending software. I understood you before - but still reckon TB! should attempt to deal with this and not display a redundant tab that doesn't function; i.e. it's always in the background. -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.15 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PDF file attachments
Hello Jonathan, On 27 September 2003, 22:26 -0500 (27/09/200304:26 local time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MDP No. The file extension type is irrelevant. All that counts is the MDP content-type header. Here's content-type header: Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Boundary-00=_EX2SJ5ADM7OFZTJLRH88 I've no idea whether this is erroneous or not but would have thought TB! could trap problems like this. JA There should be another set of headers further down in the email, JA scroll down a bit, and you should see some more. If you are seeing the JA email with the content-type of text/* then the sending client was JA miss-behaving, or there is a middle-'man' playing with the headers JA (such as an smtp server or mail scanner). Thanks, I've found them now. Learned something new... -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.15 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Release date of next TB! update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Hello Marek, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 12:49:39 AM, you wrote: MM version 2.00.15 was sent to translators for testing of their MM translations, this version was not released officially, AFAIK 2.01 MM will be released very soon. What's the best channel to get information about these version updates and beta builds ? TB! mailing list are not the best ones, because there seemsto be quite some unofficial releases, like 2.00.15 and 2.00.18, that are not told about to beta testers, IMO :-( - -- Best regards, Tero Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUAP3V7caFEeQ41vAczAQG/OgP8D9FL0L31kOpKaVRr4RNE9/zDxuBPXhMw ctAmALLaq2kzEYdIOB46mqJqC9NZB5ebT1A6HFxDVPf759AvpzSiJwxRkbnsLPwe 2i0/LyIJ3GeJ/LvHC7FyT2/K3ZjcKc7T+c2jveIEpYh2R1pCxIhsN68aEDEZUkLo 0l+fHIECmnc= =qEM7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt 0.4fm
Hello Mark, On 27 September 2003, 09:44 Mark Anderson [MA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANV I've finally realized the actual learning by mark as... action in BayesIt. ANV So, it is the good reason to make a new version. Thank you. No problems running this time. :-) MA I have just installed 0.4fm and I have noticed a couple of odd MA behaviors. MA 1. Messages sent to the Junk Mail folder don't appear to be adding MA themselves to the SPAM frequency dictionary. Not confirmed. If you move the message back to your unbox and reclassify it's known to BayesIt. That is, if I use Specials-Mark as junk. I haven't had any filter automatically yet. MA 2. When I run Mark as Junk on multiple items the confirmation MA message no longer seems to return the right number. Instead it always MA says 1 message processed if one or more were re-classified as Spam. I noticed this too. However, all messages are processed. MA Keep up the good work though. BayesIt is starting to look very good MA indeed. Ditto... -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.15 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.00.06 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Beta site is up! The Bat! v2.00.18
On Saturday, September 27, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote... Finally, the new Beta site is up and running. From now on, it's located at http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ All suggestions are welcome - we'll try to make it more informative and useful. I like it... very nice, a lot more professional looking than before... Good work to the developers. [+] Address Picker: it is now possible to add addresses manually (not from Address Books) Was trying to work out what this meant... but now I see... good feature, though it seems to allow for entry of invalid email addresses, such as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@netdork.net I think that'd be an invalid email address. [+] Possibility to set the order of action of a scheduled event Is the backup option going to be introduced into the scheduler any time soon? [+] Possibility to control execution based on exit code of a program started by a scheduled action That's a great feature... you can probably get TB to trigger emails and what not on the failure of events... very nice. [*] Message counters in IMAP folders are now displayed as actual cached Erm, does that mean the count is done from the cache? Or done from the actual IMAP server reply? The statement seems to contradict itself. I'd prefer it to be done off of the IMAP server count to be honest as I'm often having to switch to my webmail interface as TB is/was having issues accessing certain folders. [*] IMAP implementation should be less memory greedy now Seems to be around where it was in the final betas... sitting at 30MB at the moment. [*] Advanced button is removed from the Mail Management page of the account properties dialogue - new pages are added instead This looks very much nicer. [-] IMAP: Possible problems with large literals should be avoided [-] IMAP option to fetch message structures is finally working [-] (#0001666) (\NoSelect flag of an IMAP mailbox was ignored) Shall re-instate my UW-IMAP server to give this one a run down. Seems the ticker is behaving a little nicer now too... shall see how it progresses. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Have you seen Quasimodo? I had a hunch he was back. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.00.18 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Beta site is up! The Bat! v2.00.18
On Saturday, September 27, 2003, Stefan Tanurkov wrote... The Bat! v2.00.18 is now available for testing. Should have mentioned in my last post that sending mail is still a pain in the ass to do 90% of the time on IMAP accounts when you have an outbox, and sent items folder defined on the IMAP server. I still have to manually go into the folder, select the mail, delete any duplicates (because there is always at least 2 copies of the mail) then hit send. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ethernet: A device to catch the Ether Bunny. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.00.18 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Beta site is up! The Bat! v2.00.18
Hi Stefan, On Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 00:13 GMT -0400, Stefan Tanurkov [ST] heard voices say: ST If I understand you right, it'll be laid out the way you mean - ST changes will be listed by builds, with the latest changes on the top ST and earlier ones at the bottom... That's the plan :-) Excellent. That will be very useful. Thanks. JA This worked, but I must ask, why was my phone number required? ST I suppose, to call you and have a chat in case you have something ST interesting to say? :-) ;-) ST I would agree, it shouldn't be mandatory, I think we'll change it ST to optional. Again, this is just for some consciousness, as I ST mentioned in my previous reply in this thread. I figured as much, but it seemed odd for some reason. JA Very nice, though it isn't obvious what that text field is for. ST Should a big yellow label put somewhere to describe the meaning? ;-) ST Ugh, it reminds me about the need to update the help... Big yellow labels are always nice. Maybe it should be animated? ;-) Seriously though, perhaps you could put some throw away default text until the box is selected? ST Ha! I guessed somebody will as for that :-) You are the first, my ST congratulations! ;-) Excellent! ;-) ST Yes, I'm thinking about this, it just needs some ST idea of how it can be done - currently, I'm thinking of two buttons ST (Add and Modify), but it doesn't look very nice to mee... That would probably be clearer than my idea. I was thinking more along the lines of right clicking the address, selecting an edit option which would then move the entry to the edit text box. But then you'd need a cancel or undo feature... -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Current beta is 2.00.18 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Beta site is up! The Bat! v2.00.18
Hello Jonathan, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:23:32 -0500 GMT (28/09/2003, 08:23 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: Finally, the new Beta site is up and running. From now on, it's located at http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ All suggestions are welcome - we'll try to make it more informative and useful. I like it... very nice, a lot more professional looking than before... Good work to the developers. Like it too. [+] Address Picker: it is now possible to add addresses manually (not from Address Books) Was trying to work out what this meant... but now I see... good feature, though it seems to allow for entry of invalid email addresses, such as: How did you add an address manually? I see that the AB pops up when I hit alt-F8 and I can add address from the AB, but don't know how to add them manually. [*] Advanced button is removed from the Mail Management page of the account properties dialogue - new pages are added instead This looks very much nicer. ACK. Also like the way we can now choose how to handle behaviour upon hitting del. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current beta is 2.00.18 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
