Re: [BayesIt] Bayesit misses spam when The Bat! first opened
Hello Leif, On Thursday, October 9, 2003 at 08:40 GMT -0600, a witness saw Leif Gregory [LG] commit: LG Well, I'm guessing it's about time to put this thread to rest. Yes, please. ;-) I know, I'm coming late to the party, but the seemingly obvious and appropriate solution is yet again being overlooked. LG I'd imagine that eventually, there won't be much differentiation to LG new users what constitutes the base TB software and what constitutes LG an add-on. I agree. LG To them it'll be the whole package, and a problem with an LG add-on will be a problem with TB in their eyes. Therefore, I think LG that ultimately, things will be better served by keeping them on LG TBBETA and TBUDL. Why not TBTECH and TBUDL? Really, think about regexps. When they were first introduced in TB, they were discussed in immense detail in TBUDL. There were lots of complaints and so TBTECH was set up for *advanced* discussions of TB related issues. That doesn't mean there is no discussion on TBUDL or TBBETA, just that in-depth discussions get pushed to TBTECH. Now regexp support is good enough that the only time regexps need to be discussed on TBBETA is when the template engine changes and major template overhauls are necessary. How often does that happen? If you still don't believe that regexps and plugins should be treated the same way, consider: - Both are for advanced users. - Both extend functionality. Some may argue that the functionality should be included natively in TB, but: - Neither plugins nor regexps are necessary for a good chunk of users. - Many people feel they have no hope of understanding either, but want the functionality. - Not very many people are actively developing plugins or regexps publicly on theses lists. Although, privately, who knows? The parallels are uncanny. As I see it, plugin support is not a BETA issue anymore since the feature exists in the official release. The plugin interface seems to be stable, though I suppose Alexey or Stefan are about the only ones who could say for sure. As such, it seems TBBETA is the absolute *worst* list[1] for these discussions. *ANY* of the other lists[1] would be more appropriate. Yes, the plugins themselves may be in beta stages, but by that same token, so are many of the regexp based templates that get developed on TBTECH. Heck, even if you really don't want TBTECH to be polluted, then why was TBDEV created? If it isn't for the discussion of the development of plugins (which would include user feedback), it seems to be a pointless list. I don't think it is reasonable for the moderators to delegate this decision onto the members. Sure, read the arguments, but then make a decision amongst yourselves and let us know. This is *not* a democracy, it is a friendly dictatorship and you guys are doing a fantastic job. Don't forget though, the reason it has worked so well is because you established clear rules and enforce them vigilantly. I don't see how this topic is any different. LG It just means that Marck, Allie, and I will have to come up with new LG trouting templates for people who post non-beta add-ons to TBBETA and LG vice-versa! ;-) Just mutate the trout you use for regexp discussions that go too far on TBUDL. ;-) [1] The lists referenced are the @thebat.dutaint.com lists of course. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [BayesIt] Bayesit misses spam when The Bat! first opened
Thursday, October 9, 2003, 10:38:14 PM, Januk wrote: LG Well, I'm guessing it's about time to put this thread to rest. JA Yes, please. ;-) I know, I'm coming late to the party, but the JA seemingly obvious and appropriate solution is yet again being JA overlooked. snip JA I don't think it is reasonable for the moderators to delegate this JA decision onto the members. Sure, read the arguments, but then make a JA decision amongst yourselves and let us know. This is *not* a JA democracy, it is a friendly dictatorship and you guys are doing a JA fantastic job. Don't forget though, the reason it has worked so well JA is because you established clear rules and enforce them vigilantly. I JA don't see how this topic is any different. Here is some clarity of thought. Whenever I am in a management position, this too is my essential theme. Good luck Marck, Allie and Leif. -- Neal Using The Bat! v2.00.22 Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Decoding of MIMEd messages
Hello Stefan, hello TBBETA, Another strange thing two of us encountered last night: TB didn't decode our messages correctly. We sent each other encrypted messages, both PGP/MIME, hence base64 encoded. Upon opening and decrypting them, they stayed unreadable as if they were still b64ed. Please provide us the message source for examining... The error allways occurs in 2.0.22 Is it in BT? I haven't found it there. Regards Dirk Zemisch -- Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [BayesIt REQUEST] White- and blacklist.
Hei, Danya wrote: There is one program -- The Bat! Filter Commander. See this link http://tirna.narod.ru/ You can use it for copying filters from one account to another. If you can't read russian, I can give you an exact link to the file. By the way, program has an english interface The link doesn't currently work - the host is not found. Do you know if this is just a temporary problem, if the location has moved, or if the file/the homepage doesn't exist anymore? Best regards from Berlin Günther -- Automatic and free virus scanning with F-PROT, ROT13 and German FAQ: http://www.guenther-eisele.de/bat/index_e.htm TheBat! 2.00.18, Windows 2000 5.0 Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [BayesIt] Bayesit misses spam when The Bat! first opened
Hello Neal, Friday, October 10, 2003, 1:12:24 AM, you wrote: NL Here is some clarity of thought. Whenever I am in a management NL position, this too is my essential theme. Good luck Marck, Allie NL and Leif. Maybe I wasn't entirely clear in my message. What we're trying to do is to give you all a say in where to put it. Yes, it is essentially a dictatorship (moderation), but we're also flexible and open-minded. The TB lists are a community, and as such, designed to support the users of TB in the best possible fashion. We could easily make a decision, but we'd like to hear from you all as well. I don't have any problem sticking the add-ons discussion on TBTECH, but I don't belive TBDEV is the right place for it. Eventually, I foresee TBDEV getting a lot of programming threads etc. However, there's nothing saying that if we put add-ons on TBDEV and later decide that it'd be better somewhere else that we couldn't move it. Right now plugins are dealing with Macros and Anti-SPAM, but I can see it going much further in the future (newsgroups, PIM, regexp generators etc.) Not knowing where it will take us, I'm guessing that at some point down the road, the plugins will be used by everyday users and not just by power-users. Then again, I've been wrong before. Just look at TBLH (TB List Hosters, a list run by TB for people who want to use TB as a list server). I thought it'd have a good deal of traffic. It sees a couple messages a month at most. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [BayesIt REQUEST] White- and blacklist.
Hello Günther, Friday, October 10, 2003, 7:10:48 PM, you wrote: GE The link doesn't currently work - the host is not found. Do you know if GE this is just a temporary problem, if the location has moved, or if the GE file/the homepage doesn't exist anymore? Here the exact link is: http://tirna.narod.ru/soft/files/setup_tbfc120.exe -- Best regards, Daniel Liakhov http://copi.ru/248 Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [BayesIt REQUEST] White- and blacklist.
Hi Günther and list, On Friday, October 10, 2003 at 17:10:48 GMT +0200 (which was 17:10 where I live) Günther Eisele wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of [BayesIt REQUEST] White- and blacklist.: The link doesn't currently work - the host is not found. Do you know if this is just a temporary problem, if the location has moved, or if the file/the homepage doesn't exist anymore? I can't give you an authorative answer but the link _did_ work a couple of days ago when I downloaded the commander -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 2.00.22 with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Strange thing happened with the Bat today
Hi Allie, Thursday, October 9, 2003, 6:20:19 PM, you wrote: I forgot to mention antispam proxies or plugins being possible culprits. Again, it doesn't matter if they previously worked OK.. Last of all, it could be a message on the server that's particularly problematic. I have checked and done everything and can't figure it out. However one thing that is happening now that never did before is the bat is leaving tmp files on the desktop after i get aggravated and stop downloads. So it appears that it has downloaded the mails but the connection center is still showing them to be downloaded. In otherwords Connection Center seems to be lagging behind the actual events. -- Best regards, Timothy Casten ZDC National Air Traffic Controllers Association National Communications Chairman Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
keyboard shortcuts?
Is there a current list of keyboard shortcuts/commands for TB2? It seems like this *REALLY* should go in the help file somewhere... ;) - Paul -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Paul A. |NCBI / NIH Thiessen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Manual Filters, and IMAP Accounts
Hi Guys, Does anybody use any manual filters with IMAP accounts? I've noticed a small issue with them. They do work, but from time to time cause AVs while running. I managed to find the cause of the error. If the messages you're proccessing are not in the local cache, it seems to always cause an AV when trying to process the filter. I tested this theory out by setting a folder's sync option to be full message, then ran the same filters, and didn't get an AV. However running manual filters on IMAP accounts cause TB to 'freeze' while it's trying to do anything, and it causes my machine to grind to a halt sometimes. I'm using 2.00.22 on windows XP. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Manual Filters, and IMAP Accounts
Hi Jonathan, On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:30:36 -0500 (CDT) GMT (10/10/2003, 12:30 PM +0500 GMT my time), Jonathan Angliss wrote: J Does anybody use any manual filters with IMAP accounts? I've noticed a J small issue with them. They do work, but from time to time cause AVs J while running. I have never been able to use any filtering, manual or otherwise, working from the main INBOX, from TB! and IMAP. I am using 2 IMAPS servers both of which utilize Maildir format. -- Gary Using TB! 2.00.22 on SUSE Linux and W2K Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: keyboard shortcuts?
on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:23:28 -0400 Paul A. Thiessen wrote: PAT Is there a current list of keyboard shortcuts/commands for TB2? Alt-F12.. :) -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 PGP 8.0 key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Bayesit BayesIt! 0.4gm. base: Regarding base: 120106 word(s) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
