Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Michael! On Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 8:26:18 AM you wrote: They promised working IMAP and the working NFS for v2 ... Now I payed for v3 (for the same features they promised/advertised in v2) - and still bugs, bugs, bugs. Don't you think I have the right for a working version? But you agree, that IMAP is one of the advertised features for v2 and v3? If so, you agree that the customer expects this features to work. And you agree that the customers wants fixes for not working functions in the first line - not new gaming gimmicks. Apart from Leif declaring this thread DH'ed, I chime in with the biggest mantra of shareware: Try, try, try ... before you buy. I've written it - in this very thread and every time this discussion comes up (about every five minutes since nobody has anything else to do nowadays): Don't buy promises. There's only one exception, found on carnivals and circuses, palm readers and their kind. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Science may be described as the art of systematic oversimplification. (Sir Karl Popper) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Access violations at exiting
Hello, Today (and yesterda) when I was closing TB suddenly AV error window appears. Please see entries in my except.log: PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 15:24:43 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00066D6F. Read of address 00066D6F PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 15:24:43 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 000B. Read of address 000B PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 16:23:21 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address FFFC7D83. Read of address FFFC7D83 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 16:23:21 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address . Read of address PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 16:32:39 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 69425407. Read of address 69425407 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 16:32:39 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02063738 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 17:35:09 GifImage:5 EReadError Stream read error PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 17:35:15 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 021CCCDC PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 17:35:15 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 021CCCB8 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 18:17:43 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020AD428 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 18:17:43 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020AD404 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 19:09:21 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020AD428 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 19:09:21 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020AD404 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 19:13:57 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02165E04 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 19:13:57 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02165DE0 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 19:15:59 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02165E04 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 19:15:59 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02165DE0 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 20:33:54 GifImage:5 EReadError Stream read error PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 20:34:03 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020AA2C0 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 20:34:03 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020AA29C PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 21:05:52 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 69425407. Read of address 69425407 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 22:05:43 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02215A68 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 22:05:43 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02215A44 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 22:44:18 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 005029AD in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 00DF PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 22:44:18 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412C in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 000B PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 23:08:09 Records:6 EExternalException External exception C01D PREZES/Admin 2005-01-17 23:08:09 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address B96A756B. Read of address B96A756B PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 08:28:03 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02024184 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 08:28:03 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412A in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 02024160 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 11:50:53 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00010305. Write of address 03C0 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 11:50:53 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address . Read of address PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 12:30:17 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00402BFF in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 746E7614 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 12:30:17 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040412C in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 020610B8 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 13:51:02 Records:6 EAccessViolation Access violation at address 00502997 in module 'theBat.exe'. Read of address 021C9FC0 PREZES/Admin 2005-01-18 13:51:02 Records:FolderDB.Free EAccessViolation Access violation at address
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Dierk, Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 09:01: Apart from Leif declaring this thread DH'ed Sorry, but i read the DH-message afterwards. I chime in with the biggest mantra of shareware: Try, try, try ... before you buy. As you said. You can *try*. But only try. In 30 days you are not able to see every aspect and not every issue comes up because you just don't know the software enough or get everything to work in this time. In 30 days you just get a sneak preview of what you'll get after you paid for it. But it's right. Never trust a software company ;-) regards Michael -- Die berühmten letzten Wörte des Mensakoches: Merkwürdig ruhig da draußen... http://www.spreadfirefox.com pgpCgsFEfzWrJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
crash behaviour
Het is donderdag 20 januari 2005 en 10:26:02 uur : Hallo tbbeta, since yesterday the latest beta tends to crash with me everytime I fire it up. Nothing worked. No repair or modify option. Just uninstall and reinstall worked. After that, I tried the latest beta again of course, but it still crashes. But luckily I could now easily change between exe-files. -- groeten, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: | ZZTop Rockpalast april 1980 VIRUS ERROR: Win95 found - I won't bother, you're in enough trouble! The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: any new betas in process?)
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:39:52 +, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: A new version is underway - it will come when it is ready for testing. Please do not post these kinds of questions here anymore. Sorry to have offended, Marck. My question was simple and sincere. Marek gave a satisfactory reply, whereas your reply was... well, a bit abrupt. :-) So thanks to Marek, and, well, I am glad that it's just a horse that is dead and not a bat. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.8 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. We could have compiled the beta today, but some things don't yet work after the rework. Such things are Quick Search etc. I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) -- , Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 17:32 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Maxim, A simply inquiry which I'm sure Max will provide an answer to as he did before Christmas. We could have compiled the beta today, but some things don't yet work after the rework. Such things are Quick Search etc. I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) that makes total sense to me. ;) Hope that the new beta will not crash on me, as the latest started doing ever since two days ago now. Still don't get it why that began to happen. -- regards, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: One Foot In The Blues | ZZ Top - She Loves My Automobile Feel good? Don't worry; you'll get over it! The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. Feel free to ask questions. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Max, The original quoted text below was written on 20/01/2005 16:46 my local time; Feel free to ask questions. Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? -- Chris Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 17:46 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Hallo Maxim, they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. Feel free to ask questions. first off I feel free to say thank you guys for all the hard work. Because I know it's a hell of a lot of work. Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when launching new 'batty'? -- regards, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: One Foot In The Blues | ZZ Top - She Loves My Automobile For THIS I bought a computer? The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Quoting Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. I guess Dierk and I have some re-re-writing to do! Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Maxim Masiutin skrev: Feel free to ask questions. How about imap support? I had so much trouble with it that I am using Thunderbird! And I really miss some of The Bat!'s features! My problems being: 1) Sometimes messages would not load. 2) Sometimes messages are shown to be there more then once when in fact they are not. (this happens a lot) 3) Also when using the Maintenance feature the imap folders I use regular always have errors and The Bat! says it recovers the messages. Also would it be possible to define a imap folder as the spam folder? I have a folder on my server named SPAM which gathers the most but I would like it to show up as a junk folder in The Bat! -- Kian Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://neksus.dk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 18:46, you wrote: MM Feel free to ask questions. Was any work done on Unicode support? -- Edvinas Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when launching new 'batty'? The Bat! will read localized strings from the old LNG files as usual. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? Much work have been done, but you will have to evaluate whether it was successful :-) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
How about imap support? 9Val is currently working on that. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Was any work done on Unicode support What do you mean exactly? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, Maxim Masiutin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I will give a little technical update. Thanks you very much. Feel free to ask questions. I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Max, The original quoted text below was written on 20/01/2005 17:04 my local time; Has much work been done in progressing with IMAP? Much work have been done, but you will have to evaluate whether it was successful :-) Great, I look forward to testing it :-) Thanks Max. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Maxim Masiutin skrev: How about imap support? 9Val is currently working on that. Nice to know! But what about my other question? [quote] Also would it be possible to define a imap folder as the spam folder? I have a folder on my server named SPAM which gathers the most but I would like it to show up as a junk folder in The Bat! [/quote] -- Kian Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://neksus.dk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Maxim, -- Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005, 17:46:37: I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. Any plans for the short future? Have a nice evening and many thanks for your work. -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release
Alexey N. Vinogradov skrev: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/solutions/bayesit/ (in English) Hello, On the download page you wrote this: Other languages (Romanian, Ukrainian, Bolgarian, Swedish, Finnish, Italian, Hungarian, Portuguese, Lithuanian, Norvegian, Belarusian, Danish, Sertian (latin), Greek, Serbian (Cyrillic), Croatian, Catalan, Hebrew, Galician) may be included in the future. Does this mean you have the translators? -- Kian Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://neksus.dk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Eddie, Eddie Castelli wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have there being any changes in the AB? I agree that in the AB there is much potential for improvements: (Here my favorite ones) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1861 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2202 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2666 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2333 More than one subfolder (couldn't find BR). However I'd prefere bugfixing ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Thursday, January 20, 2005, 4:46:37 PM, you wrote: OK, it'd be nice if someone gave us the occasional update on what was happening, but they don't /have/ to; for what it's worth I don't even believe they've a moral obligation to. They're going to tell us when they tell us. It may be they don't give us an update until they actually release the next version. Whatever. I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered; some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different, much much better than the current tree; etc. Feel free to ask questions. Will the tree format still have lines linking messages and their replies? Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Boris, on Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:13:49 +0100GMT, you wrote: BA Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? I'm just a list member with no particularly close relations to RITlabs, but I dare to say, yes, certainly! Unless /all/ bugs are fixed in the next version... ;-) - -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3-nr1 (Windows 2000) - GPGshell v3.20 Comment: My key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xE10774CE Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org/ iD8DBQFB8ALDAzZSBuEHdM4RAusJAKDhIg9eUxIlWucUSOvnNtkf7gehXACdHUy5 5cpYvUBchKqGJ8DZRYdHRPU= =W1wA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
GnuPG: UID not accepted
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I use GnuPG and have a free form primary user ID, i.e., just the name, nothing else. The sub-UIDs contain the email addresses. The Bat! only accepts the first email address for her implemented GPG use. So, if I try to sign this message with ctrl+shift+S as I prefer, it produces ,- | gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available | gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available `- although the list address is a valid UID on my key. And yes, I have set my key as the default in gpg.conf. Now as a workaround, I use GPGshell to sign a message to this list, which works without a problem. But I can't use PGP/MIME. So, if anyone feels concerned about this, please add a note to my bug report at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4171 Thank you. :-) - -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3-nr1 (Windows 2000) - GPGshell v3.20 Comment: My key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xE10774CE Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org/ iD8DBQFB8AzYAzZSBuEHdM4RAh07AJ0c0yCtDEx7j+qcVm/JhMpkf4y1fwCgtp+f 2tAkpPwrV9ms0z5faA+37ro= =kGuH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 9:51:28 AM, you wrote: C first off I feel free to say thank you guys for all the hard work. C Because I know it's a hell of a lot of work. C Secondly, the first question that pops to mind is: will the C languagefiles automatically be updated to the new format when C launching new 'batty'? You do have a sig delimiter, but please remove the sig delimiter right above the AVG message, or turn that off completely. TheBat uses the last sig delimiter to trim a message. That means the AVG part disappears but your actual signature stays. Thanks. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Shin (n) Device used to locate furnature in the dark. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 08:26, it seems you wrote:
As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home
users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls.
And they will use IMAP more and more often.
A lot of companies use at work an Exchange server, so the Outlook it's
a very important tool for work. Outlook has a lot of known bugs and
problems with malware.
I think full support of Exchange (Contacts, Calendar, mails, public
folders) on TB! will add a lot of users to the pool. These
improvements should be a lot of hours of work so It need a big study
before starting it.
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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)
Not often a moderator gets to moderate a developer! grin Is the sig delimiter now OK? -- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
As you count the major changes of the coming Version may I ask the follow: Have there being any changes in the AB? I'm asking as I feel many times the need to have more than one (1) subfolder. No, we didn't plan this for the upcoming version. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
I've a lot of questions, but maybe one short (because they can be answered with yes, no or maybe) one: Are you planing another BugFixing-Beta cycle after the current cycle? Let us finish the current cycle first. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Update on the Status of Software)
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 1:41:23 PM, you wrote: M Is the sig delimiter now OK? Perfect... Thank you! :-) -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Synthetic Natural Gas Huh?? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 17:46, it seems you wrote:
I will give a little technical update. The batskin.ini, which was a
temporary glyph definition file, will no longer be read, the new file
which will persist will be batskin.xml; the format of the language
file for the people who translate The Bat! will change, the menu and
the toolbars will be customisable; shortcut editor will be altered;
some other bugs are fixed in the meanwhile; the folder tree and the
message list (tree in threading mode) will be completely different,
much much better than the current tree; etc.
Cool!
Think this, please!. When all it's done, a pack with skin, toolbar
configuration and menu configuration could make possible the fast
personalization for some types of people.
One pack should be: Outlook theme. Icons like Outlook, menus like
Outlook (or with similarities), Proffesional theme with all the
advanced options. Easy theme with only the basic commands, .
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Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees, Hope that the new beta will not crash on me, as the latest started doing ever since two days ago now. Still don't get it why that began to happen. I had the same problem till I understood that my bat doesn't like a dial-up connection if it comes to IMAP. Dialing on myself solves the problem as far as crashing is concerned. -- Regards, Raymund Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
Het was op donderdag 20 januari 2005 om 21:22 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Update on the Status of Software' : Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Authenticated-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Processed: shhh.nl, Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:11:43 +0100 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-Lookup-Warning: HELO/EHLO lookup on 10.0.0.14 does not match 217.19.23.17 X-MDRemoteIP: 217.19.23.17 X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com Hallo Leif, You do have a sig delimiter, but please remove the sig delimiter right above the AVG message, or turn that off completely. no... why should I? TheBat uses the last sig delimiter to trim a message. That means the AVG part disappears but your actual signature stays. apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most emailprograms as I remember Secondly I've been waiting to answer you ... because I had to calm down. BECAUSE I think you are nitpicking!!! Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people address each other is a way more important item to follow. And please don't come with the argument of message sizes. -- groeten, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: Who Are You | The Who - Love Is Coming Down No, no, I'm not his friend. I'm his wife. The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19-1-2005 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees! On Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:01:12 PM you wrote: no... why should I? 1. Because a moderator said so. 2. Leif explained it. I'd say that The Bat! should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most emailprograms as I remember How? How should the program know which delimiter to choose if more than on is in the message? Secondly I've been waiting to answer you ... because I had to calm down. BECAUSE I think you are nitpicking!!! Oh, it's fashionable again to bash moderatorial notes. I remember that only yesterday a message from Marck said something about this specific issue. Perhaps you should go through your archive to find out what to do if you are not content with the job a moderator does. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Cees, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 2:01:12 PM, you wrote: C no... why should I? Let's see. (for reference, please read the welcome message you were sent when you subscribed). 1. You are violating section G of the list rules which state that you sig should be about 4-6 lines. Yours is 13 lines. But, I wasn't even modding you on your sig length, only that you should remove the cutmark between your main sig and the AVG message. I usually don't mod much on sig lengths unless it's really excessive 2. Certifying an outgoing message as virus free is pretty irrelevant. There isn't a single anti-virus application out there that catches all viruses. Especially if it's a brand new virus. Therefore, telling the recipient that your message is virus free instills a false sense of security. However, to be honest, I really don't care if you include it or not, that's not why I mentioned what I did. However, by including it, you add three lines to your sig not to mention the three blank lines before it plus the line with the redundant sig delimiter.. A total of seven lines you *could* remove which would bring your signature to within list rules. C apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! C should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most C emailprograms as I remember You'll get no argument from me that TheBat should handle it better. However it doesn't and that's why *you* need to take care of it. This is the point and only the point I was modding you on. This also falls under list rule G. C Secondly I've been waiting to answer you ... I certainly do appreciate it. However, as moderators, we never take off the asbestos suits. :-) C because I had to calm down. BECAUSE I think you are nitpicking!!! There's nothing nitpicky about it. They *are* the list rules which have been around since 1996/97 and revised over the years as needed. They are neither antiquidated nor irrelevant as they follow common Netiquette guidelines which also have been around for ages and are revised accordingly. C Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people C address each other is a way more important item to follow. And C please don't come with the argument of message sizes. Primarily it's messy. When someone replies to your messages, they must manually cut out your topmost signature. Don't you think it's kind of rude to force people who wish to follow list rules about trimming their replies by making them fix something *every* single time which you could fix just *once* by removing three characters from above the AVG message. And as much as you may not want to believe it, there have been and still are (as far as I know) people subscribed to TB lists who do pay for their bandwidth by the byte/KB. At any rate, the point is that you are violating list rules. I didn't even send you an official moderation message as you were doing most of it right. To show you why the cutmark issue is important, I did not remove your sig manually, so below is what everyone who replies to your messages has to cut out by hand. If you wish to continue this, please do so at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- groeten, Cees, die zonet nog luisterde naar: Who Are You | The Who - Love Is Coming Down No, no, I'm not his friend. I'm his wife. The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Stock news: Weight Watchers gains considerably. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release
Hello, Kian. You wrote 21.01.2005 @ 1:40 KA Lithuanian, Norvegian, Belarusian, Danish, Sertian (latin), Greek, KA Serbian (Cyrillic), Croatian, Catalan, Hebrew, Galician) may be included KA in the future. KA Does this mean you have the translators? I don't know. This is just mean that these language are supported by RitLNG implementation. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.2.5 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.8.1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Dear Leif, @20-Jan-2005, 14:31 -0700 (20-Jan 21:31 UK time) Leif Gregory [LG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Cees: C apparently it does. why is that my fault? I'd say that The Bat! C should handle this particular issue in a different way. As do most C emailprograms as I remember LG You'll get no argument from me that TheBat should handle it better. LG However it doesn't and that's why *you* need to take care of it. This LG is the point and only the point I was modding you on. Just to pick you up *right* there my friend, there is an extremely good reason why TB does it the way it does it and why it is not wrong. Far from it. It is absolutely correct. Imagine a digest with multiple messages and multiple signatures. TB *has* to consider only the final cutmark otherwise all text below the first cutmark would be displayed using the signature font / style / colour (which in my instance is grey). Digests become hard to read and hard to reply to. I felt this issue should be made a little more clear on the list and, as you say, further replies to the list mods address. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpuyj0tyInt3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release
Alexey N. Vinogradov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Kian. You wrote 21.01.2005 @ 1:40 KA Lithuanian, Norvegian, Belarusian, Danish, Sertian (latin), Greek, KA Serbian (Cyrillic), Croatian, Catalan, Hebrew, Galician) may be included KA in the future. KA Does this mean you have the translators? I don't know. This is just mean that these language are supported by RitLNG implementation. How to I translate BayesIt! then? Do I need some special program or? -- Best regards, Kian Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://neksus.dk The Bat! 3.0.2.10 with BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Windows XP Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
N jueves, 20 ene 2005 at 08:26, it seems you wrote: As read below in my prior message. TB! doesn't focus on John Doe home users in the first way but advanced home users and semiprofessionalls. And they will use IMAP more and more often. N A lot of companies use at work an Exchange server, so the Outlook N it's a very important tool for work. Outlook has a lot of known N bugs and problems with malware. That's why they should improve the Exchange support. N I think full support of Exchange (Contacts, Calendar, mails, public N folders) on TB! will add a lot of users to the pool. These N improvements should be a lot of hours of work so It need a big N study before starting it. I agree with you observation. A lot of things must be improved so that TB! may aspire to be a substitute for MSOutlook. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Someday you'll look back on this and laugh. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release
On Friday, January 21, 2005, at 00:18:15 [UTC+0100] (Friday, January 21, 2005 00:18 my local time) Kian Andersen wrote: KA Does this mean you have the translators? I don't know. This is just mean that these language are supported by RitLNG implementation. How to I translate BayesIt! then? I think you need to subscribe the list for translators (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lngcompiler-general). Do I need some special program or? Yes, you need special language compiler made by Ritlabs. The language resources compiler uses original English resources published and updated on CVS server, so you need an account there. Additionally you need a CVS client program (I use WinCVS for these purposes). -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
C Is this ALL that is bothering you? I'd say that the way people C address each other is a way more important item to follow. And C please don't come with the argument of message sizes. LG Primarily it's messy. When someone replies to your messages, they LG must manually cut out your topmost signature. Don't you think it's Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. LG And as much as you may not want to believe it, there have been and LG still are (as far as I know) people subscribed to TB lists who do LG pay for their bandwidth by the byte/KB. You're being demagog. LG To show you why the cutmark issue is important, I did not remove LG your sig manually, so below is what everyone who replies to your LG messages has to cut out by hand. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Farfignewton.. the cookie of the stars.. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Goncalo, On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, at 23:33:53 [GMT +] (which was 4:33 PM where I live) you wrote: GF Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. Netiquette exists for the same reason it's considered impolite to eat mashed potatoes with your hands. The adults learned that, the children still don't get it. If someone is either too impolite to follow netiquette, or still can't seem to figure it out even after tons of help, then I'm sorry, but they aren't staying around on my list. GF You're being demagog. Has nothing to do with trying to gain power. I already have it, always did. That kind of happens when your the creator of something. What matters is wielding that power for the greater benefit of all involved. There's a great number of subscribers on this list who I consider family, and I try to run the lists like I run my household. If someone's tracking mud in my house, they're gonna be in trouble. :-) It's the primary reason the TB lists are consistently lauded as the best run lists on the internet. We run these list because we have great pride in them being the best not because we like the abuse. GF No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that GF really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. Lost me... At any rate, long as people follow the rules, I'm a happy god, err. mod. Kinda tricky when there is only one letter difference.. grin -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F A sucking chest wound is nature's way of saying slow down. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 20, 2005, 10:32:41 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: I think that WIR will be the most exact estimate ;-) Good answer, and good signature! , Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Translating your signature per http://translation2.paralink.com/ provides the following: Respect Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Multipart message question
Hello tbbeta, I'm really not sure if this is a beta issue or not. I receive Web statistics reports that are multipart html messages with embedded images. Forwarding these messages leaves the recipient without images since the embedded images are sent as part_01.jpg, part_02.jpg, etc.. Also, double-clicking the html attachment renders it in the browser without images for the same reason. Lastly, the same happens when archiving with MailBag and attempting to open it in a browser. Is there something I am doing wrong or is this a TB issue. All the procedures I mentioned above used to work fine. -- Best regards, James Senick http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
1/20/2005 9:41 PM Hi Goncalo, Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. I believe this list existed before you joined it. Since that is the case you have two choices: Accept the rules of the list or leave the list. Your disrespectful comments are becoming overbearing and totally out of place. -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k Pro 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Update on the Status of Software
GF You're being demagog. LG Has nothing to do with trying to gain power. I already have it, LG always did. That kind of happens when your the creator of LG something. What matters is wielding that power for the greater I never meant it had anything to do with gaining power. Good for you if you feel powerful. Noun: demagog 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience I meant it because of your concern with people paying for dl'ed info. We're talking about a few extra bytes, not a huge amount of data. GF No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that GF really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. LG Lost me... As you may see, all my replies are justified (ALT+J). People that don't have the 'correct' delimiter give an extra work only to those who actually reply to their comments. LG At any rate, long as people follow the rules, I'm a happy god, LG err. mod. Kinda tricky when there is only one letter difference.. LG grin Quoting Dierk Haasis (1949378823.20050118105056): As I always say, smileys don't make it better. :)) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I am not arguing with you; I am telling you. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Update on the Status of Software
PVN 1/20/2005 9:41 PM PVN Hi Goncalo, You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. PVN I believe this list existed before you joined it. Since that is PVN the case you have two choices: Accept the rules of the list or PVN leave the list. Your disrespectful comments are becoming PVN overbearing and totally out of place. I can't see any disrespect in saying that someone is trying to appeal to passions and prejudices. Maybe I lost my sensibility. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias We can't afford to die here...not even once Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Hi Goncalo, On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, at 04:11:56 [GMT +] (which was 9:11 PM where I live) you wrote: GF Noun: demagog GF 1. An orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience Aren't semantics great? Merriam Webster: Noun: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power The next time you decide to hang a characterization on someone, you might want to make sure you actually know what it is your calling them. One of the reasons for list rule B.3. Isn't it really neat how all these rules seem to define a polite list. Now if people just abided by them, then we wouldn't need moderators. GF I meant it because of your concern with people paying for dl'ed GF info. We're talking about a few extra bytes, not a huge amount of GF data. Yeah, it's kinda like that whole straw that broke the camels back thing. Really, the only reason I brought it up as because he said not to. If you really care about it take a look at the archives. There's a pretty long thread concerning the whole subject and it was even participated in by those people who paid by the byte/KB. GF Quoting Dierk Haasis (1949378823.20050118105056): GF As I always say, smileys don't make it better. :)) It wasn't meant to be a nice message. When you jump on a moderator for making a moderatorial decision you're essentially saying the rules don't matter. In the long history of these lists, only one person has ever gotten banned. He didn't agree with the list rules either. We're still here, he's not. If you don't like the list rules, you can go elsewhere. There's many other lists that might cater more to your liking. You could probably even top-post if you really wanted to. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. See I can do this too. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Update on the Status of Software
Greg Strong wrote: Respect I believe that would be WITH Respect. :-) -- Keith Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
