Re[2]: TB! 3.0.9.4 not startable!
Hello Cristina, Le samedi 5 mars 2005 à 00:45:34, you wrote : CR Same here. Get one of those XP error messages to send the report. CR I tried several times, never started. I have the same problem sometimes: the first time, I get this this error (and the send report windows of XP), but the second time TB launch without problem. -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.4 Return on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello Francis, On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FD Not at all. Adding the end of line I mentioned add only the shortcut, FD not a button. Sorry, typing without really thinking. I realised that it wasn't a button and should have said something different. At the moment Spam Pal and my own filters do a very good job. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Hello Gary, On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P P AV's and Out of bounds msg flying around like bats in a busy cave. G same here, the out of bounds were abound. :) P it seems to be somewhat silent. But for how long, ah well, I'll P notice, I guess ... G agreed. I also gave TB! a new roll of the dice, and the view mode G shows no OOB Agreed to both but it's all so unpredictable and happens at such different times that it's hard to report. A notepad and pencil beside the keyboard is a necessity I think! -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Stuart, On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SC When replying to a message using Micro Ed, should the message not SC automatically adjust to show the text above leaving you signature SC at the bottom, Can't confirm, that's one thing that does work with Micro-Ed! I've been having really weird problems with saving to Outbox. Save message only seems to work once (I think). Then it's a lottery as to whether Save message as draft or Store message as draft (Still don't know the difference between those two) works. I've just done some replies to this beta and two of the messages were suddenly threaded in the outbox, never had that before. also I sometimes get the message left open in the editor even after I've saved it ti the Outbox. Oh yes, whilst I'm on a roll, none of the items at the bottom of Mico-Ed work yet. I presume that's an ongoing thing. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello Peter, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Only being able to activate the old Alt-F12 via a toolbar or PO the menubar doesn't sound quite logical to me. PO But lets hope there will be some catagoris/zing on items to select PO from for some container, like 'toggle message flag' isn't of much PO use in some Addressbook container, IMHO. Good points, particularly the second one. There are a heck of a lot of items in the drop down list! -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello Matt, Matt Thoene wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Friday, March 4, 2005 @ 10:50:53 AM [-0700], 9Val wrote: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb30904.rar Still cannot change who the email is from in a reply/forward. I used to be able to right click on the account identifier in the bottom info area of a reply or forward window and select one of my other accounts. Confirmed. Moreover the whole bottom info area of the editor don't work. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Witaj Peter, Saturday, March 5, 2005, 1:04:45 AM, naskrobae: Hello TBBETA, after sending a msg to the list I got: --- The Bat! --- List index out of bounds (0) --- OK --- Confirmations? Yes, I confirm it. And when I cancel sending I also receive such notice. -- Pozdrawiam Daniel uba The Bat 3.0.9.4 Return na Windows 2000 build 2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
(no subject)
Hello. on 3.0.9.4 spell checker doesn't work in automatic mode. -- Best regards, Den V. Yafyasov. The Bat! v3.0.2.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: (no subject)
Hallo Den, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:01:18 +0400GMT (5-3-2005, 10:01 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DVY on 3.0.9.4 spell checker doesn't work in automatic mode. Yuck. And there TB had me thinking I stopped making typos. -- Groetjes, Roelof Computers run on smoke. They stop as it leaks out. The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpoclDsvCFnz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: problem!
Hi Cees, Friday, March 4, 2005, 10:54:16 PM, you wrote: C I'm having a major problem sending mails with attachment. They just don't C arrive. I've found out that these are causing problem at the mail-server C that is trying to send it, and resend it and million times. Mails C without attachment apparently do NOT have this problem. When you send the jpg have you noticied if the sent size of the Email actually shows it being sent? eg, its too big not to include it? I just sent myself to another account a jpg, and the size out was 20k, which for the blank msg + img was about right. It also arrived. One thing I may have done you may not is that I have turned off the auto protection in the security settings. C Btw, this concerns JPG images. Word documents for some reason do NOT cause C this behavior. Sounds like something things they are bad.. Check the Anti Virus stuff, if you have that turned on, and the auto protection. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.0.9.4 not startable!
Hello Christian, A reminder of what Christian Grams on TBBETA typed on: 05 March 2005 at 08:12:57 GMT +0100 CG Was that on the fly encryption... ? CG Not sure how can i check it :) Well if you set TB up with OTFE when you first installed it you should know. Failing that do you have to enter a password or token when you start TB!? If not then you don't have OTFE on. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: (no subject)
Hello Den, A reminder of what Den V. Yafyasov on TBBETA typed on: 05 March 2005 at 10:03:52 GMT +0100 DVY on 3.0.9.4 spell checker doesn't work in automatic mode. Can't confirm that, spell checker works fine here. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Virtual Folders - deleting all messages within
There used to be the feature with ctrl-del to delete all contents of a virtual folder... not anymore??? Or can i get this back somehow?? -- Christian Grams ## Harlekin's-EDV Christian Grams E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## E-Mail Disclaimer: http://www.harlekin-edv.de/email/email.html PGP-Key: http://pgp.upb.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindexsearch=0xD775BF12 benutze/using: TheBat! 3.0.9.4 Return Windows XP Build: 2600 with Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 12:54:15 AM [GMT -0500], Matt Thoene wrote: Still cannot change who the email is from in a reply/forward. I used to be able to right click on the account identifier in the bottom info area of a reply or forward window and select one of my other accounts. In 3.0.9.3, right clicking did nothing. In this beta, it does bring up the formatting menu, just not the account switch menu. Right clicking anywhere in the status bar brings up the same menu. In fact, after generating a test reply to confirm this, I closed the editor to see a 'list index out of bounds' error appear. This was reproducible. After the second time, I got an AV on closing the editor. See attached. I tried to exit TB! to start fresh and couldn't exit. I got the popup query that asks what I wish to do since TB! had running tasks underway. That popup never seems to really help. I eventually had to kill with the taskmanager. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Useless Invention: Lie detectors for politicians.attachment: av.png pgpaVh8dgnXe8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.0.9.4 not startable!
On Friday, March 04, 2005 at 10:52:33 PM [GMT -0500], Msrourke wrote: I found that if you use your existing shortcut (from your previous version) in the XP start menu TB! will not start. However if you go to Explorer and double click on thebat.exe it starts fine. Why? I haven't figured that out yet In the shortcut, you have to define the 'Start In' directory. If it's left blank, TB! will not start as it should. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. pgpOX3IUiQHzP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filter not updated when account name changes
On Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 2:19:11 AM [GMT -0500], Thorvald Neumann wrote: But the filters do not get updated with this new foldername, when the target folder resides inside the current account. An oldie, but baddie. :/ Confirmed a long time ago in a .. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Dangerous exercise: Jumping to conclusions. pgpMJms5i4Zaz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello 9Val everyone else, on 04-Mrz-2005 at 19:50 you (9Val) wrote: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available So, the release version of 3.0.2 Rush is completely dropped? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Any Other Name by Thomas Newman Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: TB! 3.0.9.4 not startable!
Guten Tag Allie Martin, am Samstag, 5. März 2005 um 11:12 schrieben Sie: AM On Friday, March 04, 2005 at 10:52:33 PM [GMT -0500], AM Msrourke wrote: I found that if you use your existing shortcut (from your previous version) in the XP start menu TB! will not start. However if you go to Explorer and double click on thebat.exe it starts fine. Why? I haven't figured that out yet AM In the shortcut, you have to define the 'Start In' AM directory. If it's left blank, TB! will not start as it AM should. Okay...i defined a new shortcut and it works now. :) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello Tony, A reminder of what Tony Boom on TBBETA typed on: 04 March 2005 at 23:23:32 GMT +0100 [+] UI : Saveable toolbars - just show/hide/move them TB Or not as the`case may be. Is it too much to ask for these to stop TB reappearing at every reboot? Couldn't get these to stick yesterday but after a total PC reboot this morning they seem to be behaving their self. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP?
Hello TBBETA, Allie, is it safe to try IMAP yet? Off to see a Meatloaf show later so I may try it tomorrow... After the GP that is and also if you think it's safe to dip a toe in the turbulent waters of IMAP. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Attachment button no longer works
Hi all, I'm having a problem here. I normally do not display my attachments using the pane view. I use the button. However, now, I can't view attachments unless the internal viewer supports them. That attachment button doesn't respond to clicks and attempting to change to another method of displaying attachments doesn't work. Can you duplicate? This may be just IMAP. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure. pgpE6g8Qa07Im.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 5:46:33 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote: Allie, is it safe to try IMAP yet? Off to see a Meatloaf show later so I may try it tomorrow... After the GP that is and also if you think it's safe to dip a toe in the turbulent waters of IMAP. You could give it a go since I'm using it here quite comfortably. The things that are in my way now aren't IMAP specific as far as I can tell, though the non-responding attachments button may be an IMAP thing. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Oxymoron: Sharp Cookie. pgp2sExTnklg1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 6:50:27 AM [GMT -0500], Allie_M wrote: You could give it a go since I'm using it here quite comfortably. The things that are in my way now aren't IMAP specific as far as I can tell, though the non-responding attachments button may be an IMAP thing. Oh. I forgot that a particularly annoying problem that still occurs here is the loading of an incorrect message body for a selected message. Reloading the message cures this, but at times, you don't even realize that you're reading the wrong message body until you realize that your original thinking that you're reading duplicates may be wrong and you check things more closely. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Why doesn't DOS ever say Excellent command or filename! pgpp86OyfLvfX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: problem!
Het was op zaterdag 5 maart 2005 om 10:24 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'problem!' : Hallo Liz, C I'm having a major problem sending mails with attachment. They just don't C arrive. I've found out that these are causing problem at the mail-server C that is trying to send it, and resend it and million times. Mails C without attachment apparently do NOT have this problem. L When you send the jpg have you noticied if the sent size of the Email L actually shows it being sent? eg, its too big not to include it? I Yes of course it's sent. File was only 180kb. Trying it with Mozilla's e-mail client succeeded at once. L just sent myself to another account a jpg, and the size out was 20k, L which for the blank msg + img was about right. L It also arrived. One thing I may have done you may not is that I have L turned off the auto protection in the security settings. In TheBat! I can nowhere find an option security settings to switch on or off. C Btw, this concerns JPG images. Word documents for some reason do NOT cause C this behavior. L Sounds like something things they are bad.. Check the Anti Virus L stuff, if you have that turned on, and the auto protection. Yes I have, using Avast, but that is not the issue. That also checks Mozilla's e-mail client. -- regards, Cees Jeffrey's favorite recipes: Moo Goo Guy in a Pan. __ The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0509-5, 04-03-2005 Tested on: 5-3-2005 12:59:56 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hello 9Val, The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb30904.rar I haven't downloaded or tested any of the previous Alphas or Pre-Betas, so 3.0.9.4 is my first look at the new UI, etc., and I must say that I think you guys are going in the right direction. Good work! I don't have much time at the moment for real testing but I'll try to contribute as much as I can. [*] UI : New thread sorting collaboration with new message list Sorry if this has already been explained and I missed it but, what is this all about? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: problem!
Hi Cees, Saturday, March 5, 2005, 11:59:55 AM, you wrote: C Yes of course it's sent. File was only 180kb. Well if the size is saying it sent it, it sent it in some format, something else must be going on. Its either not properly encodeding it, or, something else is at fault. C In TheBat! I can nowhere find an option security settings to switch on or C off. Options-Preferences-Protection is what Ive turned off. C Yes I have, using Avast, but that is not the issue. That also checks C Mozilla's e-mail client. I was thinking of the scanning directly in thebat, not an external one. However, if the size of your sent msg actually going (eg, in the log) says its got the pic in it, it can realistically boil down to an encoding issue. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attachment button no longer works
Hello Allie, Allie Martin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I normally do not display my attachments using the pane view. I use the button. Button? Which button? *search* That attachment button doesn't respond to clicks and attempting to change to another method of displaying attachments doesn't work. If you mean, that View - Attached Files don't work, I can confirm and say, that it isn't an IMAP issue. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Hello Peter, --- The Bat! --- List index out of bounds (0) --- OK --- Confirmations? Yes, I have seen this in several circumstances. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Guten Tag Peter Ouwehand, am Samstag, 5. März 2005 um 01:04 schrieben Sie: PO Hello TBBETA, PO after sending a msg to the list I got: PO --- PO The Bat! PO --- PO List index out of bounds (0) PO --- PO OK PO --- PO Confirmations? Yes... all the time. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Grams Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: (no subject)
Hello Den, on 3.0.9.4 spell checker doesn't work in automatic mode. It works here if you first de-select 'Automatic checking' and select it again. The problem is that this workaround is only good for one shot, the next time you open the ditor for a new message you will have to do the same again. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Message list font wrong at start-up
Hello all, When I start 3.0.9.4 the Message list is _always_ displayed with the wrong font anf size. Selecting Options/Preferences (without changing anything) and clicking OK brings the right font and size... until TB is started again :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attachment button no longer works
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 7:19:03 AM [GMT -0500], Boris Anders wrote: Button? Which button? *search* You can switch from viewing attachments in the pane that's in the viewer and just have them reduced to a menu list, invoked via a button in the header bar. If you mean, that View - Attached Files don't work, I can confirm and say, that it isn't an IMAP issue. Ok -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Some People, like Flowers, Give Pleasure Just by Being. pgpKakRsVDI7q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Message list font wrong at start-up
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 7:29:49 AM [GMT -0500], Miguel Urech wrote: When I start 3.0.9.4 the Message list is _always_ displayed with the wrong font anf size. Selecting Options/Preferences (without changing anything) and clicking OK brings the right font and size... until TB is started again Not confirmed here. I've had no problems with font display here. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Oxymoron: Definite possibility pgpXDFo1VIW29.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Sirting Office filter tree
Hello all, The fields and tick boxes added to the filter tree are a good idea. At least some of them, I don't think that displaying here the actual short-cut for a filter (if there is one) is a real need. However, and unless I have missed something, I don't see any indication if a filter is set to Continue processing with other filters which, from my point of view, is a much more needed indication in the filter tree. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Message list font wrong at start-up
Hello Allie, Not confirmed here. I've had no problems with font display here. Well, it is quite consistent here. It happens every time. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Message list font wrong at start-up
Hi MAU, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:29:49 +0100 UTC (3/5/2005, 6:29 AM -0600 UTC my time), MAU wrote: M When I start 3.0.9.4 the Message list is _always_ displayed with the M wrong font anf size. Selecting Options/Preferences (without changing M anything) and clicking OK brings the right font and size... until TB is M started again Confirmed. It happens on every startup of TB! Very annoying, as it is a huge font size. Changing fonts then restarting TB, does nothing, it still happens. -- Gary Using 3.0.9.4 Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Folder tree fields widths
Hello all, I use several folder tree view tabs. If I adjust the field widths to suit my needs while viewing the 'All' tab, the width of the 'Name' field in all other tabs is also changed but _not_ to the same width as in 'All' tab. Same thing happens if I make the changes in any tab other than All, the width of the Name field is _always_ wider that in the other tabs. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: AV's while emptying folder cache
Hi all, I just attempted emptying a folder's cache. What resulted is a spectacularly fast cascade of unending AV's. The sound that goes with the AV popup stuttered madly until I killed TB!. On restart, it would seem that the cache was in fact emptied since the index was rebuilt etc. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler. pgpzBsnWE3KAv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Sirting Office filter tree
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M However, and unless I have missed something, I don't see any indication M if a filter is set to Continue processing with other filters Confirmed. The filter used to be blue if that was selected, now nothing. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: AV's while emptying folder cache
Hi Allie, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:17:00 -0500 UTC (3/5/2005, 7:17 AM -0600 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A What resulted is a spectacularly fast cascade of unending A AV's. The sound that goes with the AV popup stuttered madly A until I killed TB!. Confirmed, happened to me also. A On restart, it would seem that the cache was in fact A emptied since the index was rebuilt etc. Agreed... I also had several cannot rebuild index errors. I must go back to an older version, this is too unstable for me to use. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
Hello Tony, Saturday, March 5, 2005, 11:46:33 AM, you wrote: TB Allie, is it safe to try IMAP yet? TB Off to see a Meatloaf show later so I may try it tomorrow.. You're concerned wether it is safe to use TB's IMAP, but meanwhile, at your not-so-young-age, are going to attend a Meatloaf show without any (at least mentioned or noticeable) precautions??!! Very strange. Must be your Klingon descent! :-) Hope you enjoyed it, though. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.0.2.10 MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 1.8.845 beta zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 4:50:58) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attachment button no longer works
Hello Allie, AM Can you duplicate? This may be just IMAP. It's not just IMAP. I have the same problem. See bugtrack: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4286 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.4 Return sur Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Attachment button no longer works
FD or [EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry. -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.4 Return sur Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Hello Richard, A reminder of what Richard Wakeford typed on: March 5, 2005 at 09:11:21 GMT +0100 P P AV's and Out of bounds msg flying around like bats in a busy cave. G same here, the out of bounds were abound. :) P it seems to be somewhat silent. But for how long, ah well, I'll P notice, I guess ... G agreed. I also gave TB! a new roll of the dice, and the view mode G shows no OOB RW Agreed to both but it's all so unpredictable and happens at such RW different times that it's hard to report. A notepad and pencil beside RW the keyboard is a necessity I think! I see this with Windows 2000, but did not see it in Windows 98. This doesn't mean that I won't ever see it though. ;) -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
Hello Allie, A reminder of what Allie Martin typed on: March 5, 2005 at 06:50:27 GMT -0500 AM You could give it a go since I'm using it here quite AM comfortably. The things that are in my way now aren't IMAP AM specific as far as I can tell, though the non-responding AM attachments button may be an IMAP thing. The non-responding attachments button is not just in IMAP. I'm glad to see someone else mention it as I thought it was just me. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Folder tree fields widths
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU typed on: March 5, 2005 at 14:08:42 GMT +0100 M I use several folder tree view tabs. If I adjust the field widths to M suit my needs while viewing the 'All' tab, the width of the 'Name' field M in all other tabs is also changed but _not_ to the same width as in M 'All' tab. Same thing happens if I make the changes in any tab other M than All, the width of the Name field is _always_ wider that in the M other tabs. This appears to be a function of the width of the names of your folders and sub-folders. As you expand your sub-folders the Name column becomes wider and wider. This is particularly annoying, as it forces the number of Read and Unread messages off the screen. I would prefer the old method of a fixed width. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Folder tree fields widths
Hello Stuart, This appears to be a function of the width of the names of your folders and sub-folders. As you expand your sub-folders the Name column becomes wider and wider. Not here. In my case the width of the Name field is and stays fixed to the width I set. However, the width for the All tab is different (wider) than for the other tabs (all the same). Strange! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Keyborad shortcuts, how to change?
Hello all, Although I am quite mouse oriented, there are two keyboard shortcuts I have used for many years (before and after switching to TB) that I can't seem to be able to live without. These are Space to mark a message as Read and Enter to move to the next unread message. I have been playing with the different *.def files but the changes I make there seem to have no effect. Does anyone know if there is _now_ a way to change/assign keyboard shorcuts? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: TB! 3.0.9.4 not startable!
Hello msrourke, On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, at 21:52:33 [GMT -0600] (which was 3:52 where I live) you wrote: I found that if you use your existing shortcut (from your previous version) in the XP start menu TB! will not start. However if you go to Explorer and double click on thebat.exe it starts fine. Why? I haven't figured that out yet Yes, I suspected it was the shortcut, because of all those files that came along with thebat.exe. Someone had already mentioned that the shortcut should point to the directory where the files are in the Start in... property. I changed the shortcut and it is now working (at least it opened). -- Cristina Ramos in Lisbon, Portugal 3.0.9.4 Return Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Keyborad shortcuts, how to change?
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M These are Space to mark a message as Read and Enter to move to M the next unread message. Yes, my two favourites. M Does anyone know if there is _now_ a way to change/assign keyboard M shorcuts? 'twould be very helpful. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Message editor hardly usable for me
Hello all, I always use MicroEd plain text. There are a number of issues that make it almost unusable for me as it is right now. That I can recall, and in no particular order: 1.- No automatic spell check unless Ctrl+F4 is hit twice. 2.- The set of four icons in the Formatting toolbar changing. Don't know what it makes them to change. 3.- Status bar at bottom not showing language selected. 4.- Context menu on status bar is the same no matter where cursor is placed, with no option to change language, or account, etc. 5.- Clicking on the options displayed on the status bar does not have any effect. 6.- The context menu that should only be viewed when right clicking on the header fields names (i.e. to select which headers to view) is also shown when right clicking on most of the fields contents window. It seems that only To and CC contents window show the right context menu (Undo, Copy, paste, etc.) 7.- Tooltip for second button (from left) of the standard toolbar should be Queue message in Outbox instead of Store message as draft. The third button _is_ Save message as draft. Aside of that, there are circumstances (also reported by others) where the toolbar and menus disappear, or that cause the Out of bounds error message, etc. Finally, and although this was introduced/changed many betas ago, having to select Utilities/Insert/Insert Quick Template/template name to select and insert a QT makes its use rather cumbersome. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
On Friday, March 04, 2005, Kevin Menard wrote... On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:50:53 +0200, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] IMAP: not downloaded messages use grayed icons [-] IMAP: some message downloading fixes Wow, great. Allie and I didn't even have to complain that much :-) No, I did ;) I'm a very heavy IMAP user, and was forced to quit using TB since beta 9 because of how badly it was working. I was using my webmail application for several months, missing a bunch of features in TB, but I got by... I have to admit, this has to be the most stable IMAP version I've used in a LONG while. Great work guys. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11. pgp1xUmpZ3Gw8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello all, The new Statistics tab added to the filter properties is a nice idea. Is there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: View menue does not show all selected option
Hello all, When TB is started View menu does now show which are the selected (configured) options for: Themes Attached files Window split mode Display Message header It does show OK for: Toolbars Show connection centre Sort by View threads by Character set Global view mode -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: Joe Sample - Seven Years of Good Luck (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Richard, A reminder of what Richard Wakeford typed on: March 5, 2005 at 09:18:40 GMT +0100 SC When replying to a message using Micro Ed, should the message not SC automatically adjust to show the text above leaving you signature SC at the bottom, RW Can't confirm, that's one thing that does work with Micro-Ed! Maybe I did not make myself clear. I will attach some screenshots. BTW this is not just a 3.0.9.# issue, this applies to most version that I know of. In Reply.gif you can see what this message looked like when I selected the reply button for this message. I then selected the visible text,with the exception of my signature and deleted it. I then see Delete.gif. I will send another message with what I would expect to see attached as I might be over my size limit here. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195attachment: Reply.gifattachment: Delete.gif Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Richard, A reminder of what Richard Wakeford typed on: March 5, 2005 at 09:18:40 GMT +0100 SC When replying to a message using Micro Ed, should the message not SC automatically adjust to show the text above leaving you signature SC at the bottom, RW Can't confirm, that's one thing that does work with Micro-Ed! Here is what I would expect to see in Expected.gif . This would make it easier to see what you are about to reply to or if you need to delete some more of the original text. This may be a problem mostly for smaller screens as even a small message takes up more then the screen will show, but it also applies to large messages. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195attachment: Expected.gif Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: View menue does not show all selected option
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU typed on: March 5, 2005 at 17:42:15 GMT +0100 M When TB is started View menu does now show which are the selected M (configured) options for: M Themes M Attached files M Window split mode M Display M Message header M It does show OK for: M Toolbars M Show connection centre M Sort by M View threads by M Character set M Global view mode Confirmed -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Reply quoting selected text
Hello all, Works fine when using F4 but not when Shift+clicking on the Reply button on main toolbar, which is what I mainly use. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: 3rd Force f. Rick Braun - In The Full Moon Light (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU typed on: March 5, 2005 at 17:12:22 GMT +0100 M The new Statistics tab added to the filter properties is a nice idea. Is M there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for M specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. Agreed. Also the icons for Cut, Copy and Delete do not show correctly under new Schemes. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: Using glyphs.bmp
Hello all, Using my customised glyphs.bmp works fine with 3.0.2.10 but with 3.0.9.4 icons on toolbars are not replaced by those in glyphs.bmp. No big deal as long as flags on message list and folders on folder tree are replaced, as these (the different shades of blue) are the ones I have a (visual) problem with. Does anyone know of an _easy_ way to modify the colours in 'new_icons.png'? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: 3rd Force f. Rick Braun - In The Full Moon Light (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 11:47:51 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: In Reply.gif you can see what this message looked like when I selected the reply button for this message. I then selected the visible text,with the exception of my signature and deleted it. I then see Delete.gif. I will send another message with what I would expect to see attached as I might be over my size limit here. I see what you mean and confirm the behaviour. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Discoveries are made by not following instructions. pgpOyQPdfsZdc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Message editor hardly usable for me
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU typed on: March 5, 2005 at 17:06:39 GMT +0100 M I always use MicroEd plain text. There are a number of issues that M make it almost unusable for me as it is right now. That I can M recall, and in no particular order: M 1.- No automatic spell check unless Ctrl+F4 is hit twice. I can't even get that to work. M 2.- The set of four icons in the Formatting toolbar changing. Don't M know what it makes them to change. If you place your cursor in a line of tect it will left, center right or justify the text. Just for that line not the whole paragraphas with Alt+J or Alt+L. M 3.- Status bar at bottom not showing language selected. Confirmed. M 4.- Context menu on status bar is the same no matter where cursor is M placed, with no option to change language, or account, etc. My status bar is showing the cursor poition, but when you right click on the staus bar (anywhere) you get the same menu appearing, mostly formatting and priority choices. M 5.- Clicking on the options displayed on the status bar does not have M any effect. Confirmed. M 6.- The context menu that should only be viewed when right clicking on M the header fields names (i.e. to select which headers to view) is also M shown when right clicking on most of the fields contents window. It M seems that only To and CC contents window show the right context menu M (Undo, Copy, paste, etc.) If you first right click on any of the fields, you always get the header choices. Its only if you left click first, then right click that you get cut/copy paste, and never on From: or Subjsct fields. M 7.- Tooltip for second button (from left) of the standard toolbar should M be Queue message in Outbox instead of Store message as draft. The M third button _is_ Save message as draft. Confirmed M Aside of that, there are circumstances (also reported by others) where M the toolbar and menus disappear, or that cause the Out of bounds error M message, etc. Also confirmed. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Allie, A reminder of what Allie Martin typed on: March 5, 2005 at 11:58:40 GMT -0500 AM Stuart Cuddy wrote: In Reply.gif you can see what this message looked like when I selected the reply button for this message. I then selected the visible text,with the exception of my signature and deleted it. I then see Delete.gif. I will send another message with what I would expect to see attached as I might be over my size limit here. AM I see what you mean and confirm the behaviour. Thanks for the confirmation. Further to this if you select almost all the text to delete without scrolling to the very top, say leaving the greeting off screen, even though this leaves you with only the greeting and signature, you still have a scroll bar on the side and the greeting remains off screen at the top. As soon as you scroll up everything shows as it should. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.4: No auto Quick Search
Hello all, In 3.0.2.10 and previous version and while focus is on messagelist pane, I could start typing and the Quick Seart (floating) toolbar would appear and the search was performed. With 3.0.9.4 this doesn't happen any more, the Quick Search toolbar does _not_ auto show. But, even if I am showing the toolbar, I can only search if prior to start typing I place the cursor (i.e. set focus) in the quick search window. Is this a new and intended behaviour or can it be considered a bug? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Folder tree fields widths
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Same thing happens if I make the changes in any tab other than All, the width of the Name field is _always_ wider that in the other tabs. Confirmed. Width of name in folder Tab all is always bigger than in other folder tabs. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there, or will there be, any way to reset to 0 the statistics for specific filters? Otherwise it may not be that useful. There is currently a way (workaround) to 0 the staistics: CopyPaste the filter and delete the old one :-). But of course it would be better to have a reset funktion. But what do you think about copying filter - should it also copy statistics or not? (I think copy statistics would be more powerfull.) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: View menue does not show all selected option
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): When TB is started View menu does now show which are the selected (configured) options for: Confirmed. Was reported for themes only in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], so thanks a lot for completing the list. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Reply quoting selected text
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Works fine when using F4 but not when Shift+clicking on the Reply button on main toolbar, which is what I mainly use. Confirmed. (Hey, didn't know that - but logical our mouse orientated boy did ;-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: No auto Quick Search
Hello MAU, Mau wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): In 3.0.2.10 and previous version and while focus is on messagelist pane, I could start typing and the Quick Seart (floating) toolbar would appear and the search was performed. With 3.0.9.4 this doesn't happen any more, the Quick Search toolbar does _not_ auto show. Confirmed. But, even if I am showing the toolbar, I can only search if prior to start typing I place the cursor (i.e. set focus) in the quick search window. Confirmed. Further more, if you searched, I can't delete the search word - if I select it and delete it, it reappera if I select another message. Is this a new and intended behaviour or can it be considered a bug? I (h|v)ote for bug ;-). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
I have filed a bug report at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4290 if anyone wishes to confirm. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Stuart, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SC Further to this if you select almost all the SC text to delete without scrolling to the very top, say leaving the SC greeting off screen, even though this leaves you with only the SC greeting and signature, you still have a scroll bar on the side and SC the greeting remains off screen at the top. As soon as you scroll up SC everything shows as it should. Buit that doesn't happen here. If I delete as you said then everything works as it should. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Stuart, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SC Here is what I would expect to see in Expected.gif . This would make SC it easier to see what you are about to reply to or if you need to SC delete some more of the original text. And that's what I get. Other things in Micro-ed (lots of them as outlined by Miguel in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to which you have already replied) don't work but I don't have a problem with this particular one. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Richard, A reminder of what Richard Wakeford typed on: March 5, 2005 at 19:04:56 GMT +0100 SC Here is what I would expect to see in Expected.gif . This would make SC it easier to see what you are about to reply to or if you need to SC delete some more of the original text. RW And that's what I get. Other things in Micro-ed (lots of them as RW outlined by Miguel in Message-ID: RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] RW and to which you have already replied) don't work but I don't have a RW problem with this particular one. I wonder if there is a setting that I am missing. This issue has always been there since I have used Micro-ed. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Richard, A reminder of what Richard Wakeford typed on: March 5, 2005 at 19:04:56 GMT +0100 RW and to which you have already replied) don't work but I don't have a RW problem with this particular one. Here is a screenshot of my Micro-ed settings. Do you have something different? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195attachment: ScreenHunter_001.jpg Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Message list font wrong at start-up
Hello MAU, Selecting Options/Preferences (without changing anything) and clicking OK brings the right font and size... However, if I open any folder view the font and size are wrong. Again, if I select Options/Preferences and click OK the font and size are corrented. But if I open a folder view later, font is wrong again. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Filter Statistics
Hello Boris, But what do you think about copying filter - should it also copy statistics or not? (I think copy statistics would be more powerfull.) I don't see any need of copying statistics, but I wouldn't care if it is done in the future and I have a Reset option. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hi, A couple of other (small) things I've noticed in the customise toolbars window... Apparently I can have a Lover case button, I guess its supposed to be lower case! Also in the same window capatalise is spelt as capatalize. -- Duncan Strand Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Stuart, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SC Here is a screenshot of my Micro-ed settings. Do you have something SC different? I have wrap text at 72 and quote name at 10 but that shouldn't do anything. I do have pasting block type set to adjust automatically and also I have autoformat and auto indent set. Wonder if it could be the auto format? Just a wild guess. . no, at least not here because I've just tried it. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7483 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Micro Ed Quirk
Hello Richard, A reminder of what Richard Wakeford typed on: March 5, 2005 at 21:04:47 GMT +0100 SC Here is a screenshot of my Micro-ed settings. Do you have something SC different? RW I have wrap text at 72 and quote name at 10 but that shouldn't do RW anything. I do have pasting block type set to adjust automatically and RW also I have autoformat and auto indent set. RW Wonder if it could be the auto format? Just a wild guess. RW . no, at least not here because I've just tried it. No, none of those things seem to make a difference. Can anyone else confirm the behavior I am seeing or the behavior Richard is seeing. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alt-Click bizzarities
Hello Allie, With this prebeta, only two of the messages were displayed. I know there had to be a lot more. I click on the one at the top. As the body text is displayed, another of the messages appears above it in the list. I click on this new message and another appears above it in the list. I click on the one above and another appears etc. etc. etc. Bizarre. A cute bug. :) In my case it is just a vertical scroll problem. All messages that should appear are there (read, unread, flagged, whatever I had alt+clicked on), it is just the vertical scroll bar is not set properly. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Odd issue with 3.0.9.4
Hi, Its only happened the once, but I went to reply to a mail and the toolbar at the top didnt appear, the editing part of the message did but I couldnt send it, 3 times in a row, and then it was fine again Will try and force it.. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Odd issue with 3.0.9.4
Hello Liz, A reminder of what Liz typed on: March 5, 2005 at 21:13:32 GMT + L Its only happened the once, but I went to reply to a mail and the L toolbar at the top didnt appear, the editing part of the message did L but I couldnt send it, 3 times in a row, and then it was fine L again L Will try and force it.. Yes, this issue has been reported. No workaround yet. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Attachment button no longer works
On Saturday, March 5, 2005 @ 4:30:46 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote: You can switch from viewing attachments in the pane that's in the viewer and just have them reduced to a menu list, invoked via a button in the header bar. Now that you mention it, if I try to change from pane view to button view, nothing happens. It is checked, but it is still stuck in pane view. -- Matt Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP?
Hello Mark, A reminder of what Mark Partous on TBBETA typed on: 05 March 2005 at 15:24:49 GMT +0100 MP You're concerned wether it is safe to use TB's IMAP, but meanwhile, at MP your not-so-young-age, are going to attend a Meatloaf show without any MP (at least mentioned or noticeable) precautions??!! I know how good Meatloaf are, I've been listening to them since the 70's. I've never used IMAP ever. MP Hope you enjoyed it, though. It was absolutely fantastic. Meatloaf story, Cher, Bonny Tyler, lovely wife in one hand, pint of best bitter in the other, heavy rock music so loud you could feel it in every bone, life just doesn't get any better... Well, unless Led Zeppelin or Status Quo were on stage that is. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attachment button no longer works
On Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 6:13:22 PM [GMT -0500], Matt Thoene wrote: Now that you mention it, if I try to change from pane view to button view, nothing happens. It is checked, but it is still stuck in pane view. It would seem that whatever view you were using, you're stuck in. I was using the attachment button without the attachment pane, and I'm stuck in that mode. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.9.4 Return _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) -=-=- Trust me, I'm a lawyer.. pgpLzWlQYgkDH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
