Save view-mode for results-tab in search window
Hello The Bat! - Betalist, how can I store the view-mode (or set a default view-mode) for the result-tab in the search window. -- cheers Frank [TheBat! (3.5.25)] [Windows 2000 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 4] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hi Avi, On 14/6/2005 3:45 AM +0300, you wrote: But I have to offer a word of caution here. This could have been much worse if I had used OTFE for several days before discovering that I had lost the ability to search my message folders. Then there would have been a good chance that I might have ended up up the creek without a paddle. I thought you would have left your messages on the server while testing. In that way, in the event of trouble and having to abort usage of the installation using OTFE, you'd have the messages on the server for your other installation to retrieve. Anyway, Allie and Tony, it was a good learning experience. Thanks for throwing me out of my nest, even though I discovered that the world of OTFE was not as advertised. :) No problem. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Sharp Cookie. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Checking to see where we are?
I'm checking to see where we are at this time. Are we still in a Beta testing phase or just dealing with post fixes from the latest release? Given the ongoing conversation regarding OFE and search issues, it would be helpful to know. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: No more OTFE?
Monday, June 13, 2005, 8:37:53 PM, you wrote: And, just for the record, even now, Maxim, you have replied to Zygmunt about a slow search and ignored my own report of a totally hung search. Pardon me, but this is both rude and insulting. Ouch! -- Ethan J. Mings Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Checking to see where we are?
Hello Ethan. --On 14 June 2005 07:02 -0400 you wrote about Checking to see where we are?: it would be helpful to know. I agree, a progress report on the current stage of development would be nice. One week there was 4 or 5 builds, for the past few weeks I've felt like a mushroom. -- Tony. M pgpB3QyqLUPH3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/14/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you would have left your messages on the server while testing. In that way, in the event of trouble and having to abort usage of the installation using OTFE, you'd have the messages on the server for your other installation to retrieve. Allie, I did that. And I also did a blind copy to a backup server for all of my sent messages. So I was protected. But I generally maintain a backup like that for only a few days. In other words, I treat such messages as obsolete and delete them when they become a few days old. So if it had taken me more than a few days to discover the problem, I could well have lost important messages (both incoming and outgoing). -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: No more OTFE?
On 6/14/05, Ethan J. Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, just for the record, even now, Maxim, you have replied to Zygmunt about a slow search and ignored my own report of a totally hung search. Pardon me, but this is both rude and insulting. Ouch! Right, Jerry. That's exactly what I thought when I saw Maxim responding to Zygmunt and ignoring me. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:34:56 AM, you wrote: Right, Jerry. That's exactly what I thought when I saw Maxim responding to Zygmunt and ignoring me. Point noted. I guess one of the questions for me, as mention, is a status report. I'm still experiencing general stability problems with the program yet I have not noticed any comments on the board. So I'm not sure if it's just me or if there work in progress to address some underlying memory and stability issues with the program. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi. --On 14 June 2005 14:34 +0300 you wrote about Re: Re[4]: No more OTFE?: Right, Jerry. That's exactly what I thought when I saw Maxim responding to Zygmunt and ignoring me. Welcome to the club, they've been ignoring me for months. -- Tony. M pgpwwe2Nso08c.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Checking to see where we are?
On 6/14/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it would be helpful to know. I agree, a progress report on the current stage of development would be nice. One week there was 4 or 5 builds, for the past few weeks I've felt like a mushroom. Let me put my position this way. Ritlabs might be thinking to put out version 4.0 of TB, but I won't be one of their customers - regardless of any discount less than 100% - unless they first give me the working version of OTFE that I paid for with 3.0 Pro combined with an unbroken Connection Centre. If that means leaving this tbbeta forum and maybe migrating to another email client (or just reverting to an older, more stable version of TB), then so be it. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Filtering issue
I have an active filter, configured as manual. When I re-filter a folder, the filter is applied even when I don't check manual filters only. Is this a bug ? The Bat! 3.5.25 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:12 AM, you wrote: ... I guess one of the questions for me, as mention, is a status report. ... We would all like that. Especially since v. 3.5.25 was announced as a full release and then we get v. 3.5.26, without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. However, endeavoring to use my old bean, I surmise that work is on-going by Maxim on OTFE and the msi installation function, and by 9Val on IMAP, and by Stefan on submission forms-plus-more, and meanwhile the beta testers are in stand-by mode. When the developers who have enough English to be able to communicate with us are very busy, we have often seen these silent periods in the past. I'm still experiencing general stability problems with the program yet I have not noticed any comments on the board. So I'm not sure if it's just me or if there work in progress to address some underlying memory and stability issues with the program. Could you be more specific and pinpoint again your problems? V. 3.5.26 is running quite stably for me. I can't recall when I've had an AV with it, and I've never had a crash. However, I am not endeavoring to do anything in Customise with it--feel no need to change my current UI--and I have had no occasion to make any new filters lately or move any folders around. So far as I can tell, I've had no memory leaks. The program that uses the most resources on my machine seems to be my AV, F-Secure. I don't mind--I have the resources (fortunately) and I like this anti-virus program. The rest of what I have against the current version of TB! consists of my usual complaints: 1) All the scroll-bar scalar (empty space at bottom of panes) issues. 2) Non-quoting (in random occurrence) of Smileys from RTV in the View Folder window to PTV in the Edit Mail Message window. Minor, and I can live with both. Unlike some other minor issues which others have reported as being major to their own use of The Bat! I long for Peter O. and Boris A. to collect all these unfixed annoyances into a single list once more. :) -- Best regards, Mary Using The Bat 3.5.26 Professional (plain, not OTFE installation, in POP3 configuration) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filtering issue
Hallo Ciprian, On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:25:45 +0300GMT (14-6-2005, 15:25 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CT I have an active filter, configured as manual. When I re-filter a folder, CT the filter is applied even when I don't check manual filters only. Is CT this a bug ? No, that's no bug. What else do you expect when filtering manually? The effect of checking 'manual filter only' is that all active filters are being used and not only those with the manual bit set. -- Groetjes, Roelof How wise are they that are but fools in love! Cooke The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgpObkL9Rjwo3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: Cut mark (was: Filtering issue)
Hallo Ciprian, On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:25:45 +0300GMT (14-6-2005, 15:25 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CT this a bug ? CT The Bat! 3.5.25 CT CT Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: CT http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Ciprian. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Dave...put those Windows disks down Dave...Dave..DAVE!!! The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgptuyGFLIGrq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filtering issue
Hallo Roelof, On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:57:40 +0200GMT (14-6-2005, 15:57 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO The effect of checking 'manual filter only' is that all active filters RO are being used and not only those with the manual bit set. This should have read 'unchecking' :-( -- Groetjes, Roelof If worst comes to worst, you *CAN* turn most things off. The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp8aJDMrn8L8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:42:38 AM, you wrote: Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:12 AM, you wrote: However, endeavoring to use my old bean, I surmise that work is on-going by Maxim on OTFE and the msi installation function, and by 9Val on IMAP, and by Stefan on submission forms-plus-more, and meanwhile the beta testers are in stand-by mode. That is an interesting summary of the current situation. IT would be helpful to have RIT provide a concise answer outlining who is working on what at this time. When the developers who have enough English to be able to communicate with us are very busy, we have often seen these silent periods in the past. Noted. Yet, one of my concern still remains that when they do communicate, they can surprise us with new beta releases that contain many new features and do not include stable fixes to identified problems. Could you be more specific and pinpoint again your problems? Yes. First, I'm running 3.5.25 on Windows XP SP 2 with 512 memory on an Asus board. I'm running no plug ins and no special features (e.g., non stock graphics etc.). My problems include a) chronic position issues with the connection centre. It appears behind, and often graphically broken. I've run the MSI install repair with no success. b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. c) automatic deleting when I shut down the program even after I have turned off the feature in the individual account. d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. As I have mentioned, I have followed the conversation and my problems are not discussed. The only notable problem appears to the Connection Centre. Overall, the program simply runs poorly compared to its previous version. In fact, the step up to version 3.x from 2.x is simply not provided the promised improvements. Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. If I could get a reasonable document outlining where we are going with this program, I could make some real decisions. I keep holding out for the next update only to find another round of problems and reduction in functions. The decline in performance in the current version, when testing on five difference computers is noticeable along with the growing size of the exe file. So, I'm waiting and wondering. I hope we will have some real news soon. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk 99 Bronte Road - Suite 815 Oakville, Ontario, Canada. L6L 3B7 Phone 905/825-9938 Office E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website http://www.ejmings.com Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Hello Mary, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 4:42:38 PM, you wrote: without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a major bug. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 4:42:38 PM, you wrote: without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a major bug. Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug :( To lose their faith in TB! ? :( -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Maxim! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:42 AM, you wrote: without any definition of what it's actually meant to be. It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a major bug. I understand. Thank you so much for replying. I think I didn't put my question clearly: Is 3.5.26 a beta fix? I ask this, because currently the download from the RitLabs website offers 3.5.25 (as is apparent if one clicks to download 3.5 Professional). Now, I'm very glad that 3.5.26 was not placed in public release prior to any problems with it being found by beta testers. I simply wished to know whether it is the precursor of further beta announcements, or, as you said, just a replacement for 3.5.25. That's why I made the comment in my reply to Ethan J. Mings, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to express here my strong feelings of appreciation for how hard you, Maxim, and all the other developers are working. I know that you do read TBBETA and listen to the concerns expressed here, and I do understand how you have to balance your time between working and communicating with the beta testers. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 Professional on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Maxim, On 14-06-2005 16:42, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM It's .26 supposed to be a replacement of .25, because it fixes a MM major bug. As a number of people have reported, we cannot even start .26. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filtering issue
CT I have an active filter, configured as manual. When I re-filter a CT folder, the filter is applied even when I don't check manual filters CT only. Is this a bug ? RO The effect of checking 'manual filter only' is that all active filters RO are being used and not only those with the manual bit set. RO This should have read 'unchecking' :-( :(( I didn't see that behavior in older versions of TB! (3.1) Let's say I create a new filter (something ordinary, like moving incoming mails from a friend to a separate TB folder). After doing that, I re-filter the Inbox and I expect that only active, non-manual folders to be applied. Instead, I also get manual filters running. It's very unpleasant. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Keyboard shortcuts in folder menu
Hi all, I'm on a small vacation, so I finally found time to file a bug report about a tiny issue, that bothers me since the beginning of the 3.x series: The keyboard shortcut for Maintenance in the Folder menu is lost. We had a short discussion about it in May starting with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but the shortcut is *still* missing. So please add your support to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4759 -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.5.26 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1012 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: No more OTFE?
Hello Vili, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:54:14 PM, you wrote: Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug : We've just updated the download page to 3.5.26 -- Best regards, Maximmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Hello Mary, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:59:21 PM, you wrote: Is 3.5.26 a beta fix? What do you mean by saying beta fix? Some testers have reported problems at startup of 3.5.26, that's why we didn't update the version immediately. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Maxim! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 11:12 AM, you wrote: Is 3.5.26 a beta fix? What do you mean by saying beta fix? I meant, only to be released as a beta, pending further numbering before a full release on the public download site. I said it in the context of discussing Jerry Mings's concerns with him, about how further complaints of his might be receiving attention behind-the-scenes. The full release of v. 3.5.26 a few minutes ago answered my question. Thanks. ... Some testers have reported problems at startup of 3.5.26, that's why we didn't update the version immediately. I understand, and it was very prudently done! I'm sorry if I don't always manage to express what I want to know clearly enough. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filtering issue
Hello Ciprian, Let's say I create a new filter (something ordinary, like moving incoming mails from a friend to a separate TB folder). After doing that, I re-filter the Inbox and I expect that only active, non-manual folders to be applied. Instead, I also get manual filters running. It's very unpleasant. It is working as designed. When re-filtering, all active filters will be applied whether they are manual or not. That is, of course, unless you select Manual filters only. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Keyboard shortcuts in folder menu
Hello Peter, The keyboard shortcut for Maintenance in the Folder menu is lost. We had a short discussion about it in May starting with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] but the shortcut is *still* missing. Why don't you assign your preferred shortcut using Customise? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filtering issue
Hallo Ciprian, On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:58:09 +0300GMT (14-6-2005, 17:58 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CT I didn't see that behavior in older versions of TB! (3.1) Just checked on another system, that still has 2.12 running. That performs just as I explained. -- Groetjes, Roelof and that is how we know the Earth is banana-shaped. The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgpCwKWCQkp75.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:40 AM, you wrote, in part: ... Could you be more specific and pinpoint again your problems? Yes. First, I'm running 3.5.25 ... Do you mean 3.5.26? ... on Windows XP SP 2 with 512 memory on an Asus board. I'm running no plug ins and no special features (e.g., non stock graphics etc.). My problems include a) chronic position issues with the connection centre. It appears behind, and often graphically broken. I've run the MSI install repair with no success. Well, the CC problems have been discussed at great length over the past few days. Add a note to the issue report on Bug Tracker, why don't you? : https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4612 b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. No such problem here. So, could you detail further circumstances of your specific set-up that might help the developers pinpoint why this is happening to you and not to most of the rest of us? c) automatic deleting when I shut down the program even after I have turned off the feature in the individual account. Is this in connection with IMAP or with POP3? d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. Again, this is way too general a comment to help anyone pinpoint what's going wrong for you. :( As I have mentioned, I have followed the conversation and my problems are not discussed. The only notable problem appears to the Connection Centre. Overall, the program simply runs poorly compared to its previous version. In fact, the step up to version 3.x from 2.x is simply not provided the promised improvements. Overall, I think, will not be constructive or helpful criticism. What's needed are specific reports of exact circumstances--when confirmed, these can be added to the Bug Track issues pages, where they can be assigned to specific programmers for work. ...Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. Well, Jerry! Again, non-specific complaining. Everyone knows that IMAP is receiving serious work in the current beta series, or at least I would guess, everyone *should* know!! As far as v. 3.5.26, I went back to its first announcement as a rar and found this list of the fixed things from Maxim, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Maxim from June 7: --Begin Copy-and-Paste http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3526.rar [-] The On-The-Fly Encryption startup choice might have ignored. [-] (#0004424) %OAttachments gave mime-encoded filenames in 3.0.9.x (works correctly until 3.0.2.10) [-] Address Book - the View of Intermediate and Trusted Root CA is without function. They won't hide!! [-] Fixed multiple question marks in the right part of the About dialog. [-] If edition of The Bat! was configured in the registry, the choice of On-The-Fly encryption was ignored [-] (#0004731) application error in templates [-] (#0004424) %OAttachments gave mime-encoded filenames in 3.0.9.x (works correctly until 3.0.2.10) [-] (#0004106) Mistake at restoration Backup in other Operational system [-] (#0004079) Attachments stay separated and unencrypted [-] (#0002600) No sound on new IMAP message [-] Fixed multiple question marks in the right part of the About dialog. --End copy-and-paste I think, just my own opinion, the questions and complaints of the beta testers should be at least as specific and concise as Maxim's above-quoted list. :) ... So, I'm waiting and wondering. I hope we will have some real news soon. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: Cut mark (was: Filtering issue)
Hallo Ciprian, On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:58:09 +0300GMT (14-6-2005, 17:58 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CT Instead, I also get manual filters running. It's very unpleasant. CT CT Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: It's a tad unwise to forget about the list rules when you're replying to a moderator. Especially when said moderator already slapped you with a trout. Anyway, here's another one. eg moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Ciprian. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, vidi, vacuum, (I came, I saw--nothing.) The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp1O8Iohc1Nj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Checking to see where we are?
Tony, it would be helpful to know. I agree, a progress report on the current stage of development would be nice. One week there was 4 or 5 builds, for the past few weeks I've felt like a mushroom. 4 or 5 builds in a week doesn't give much time for fixing things in any of them. Trouble shooting software doesn't go that fast. People always wonder why programmers don't just knock the code out and get it done. A professor I had one time said that programming is always a situation of it doesn't work and you don't know how to fix it. So you try things and wonder and tinker. In good time the solution appears. Good time is not the same thing is scheduled time. I am glad to see RIT taking some time to work on the program a little. Maybe we will have a long list of real fixes this time. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5.26onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Checking to see where we are?
Hello Gleason! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 11:45 AM, you wrote: I am glad to see RIT taking some time to work on the program a little. Maybe we will have a long list of real fixes this time. Oh, thank you, Gleason, for this cool breath of common sense! We as beta testers do need this post from you to remind us of how much we need patience and understanding as we try to be of help to the programmers. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filtering issue
Hallo Ciprian, CT I didn't see that behavior in older versions of TB! (3.1) Just checked on another system, that still has 2.12 running. That performs just as I explained. Roelof is right. It works as it should: you have filters that can be active/nonactive and manual/automatic, and you can select Manual only at refilter. So: A1. active and manual, when refilter, you DONT select manual only: filter works A2. active and manual, when refilter, you select manual only: filter works B1. active and manual UNCHECKED, when refilter, you DONT select manual only: filter works B2. active and manual UNCHECKED, when refilter, you select manual only: filter DOES NOT work C. not-active with any other combination: filter DOES NOT work I hope I dont have a typo in it :)) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: No more OTFE?
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:11:04 AM, you wrote: MM Hello Vili, MM Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:54:14 PM, you wrote: Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug : MM We've just updated the download page to 3.5.26 Tha-a-a-a-nk you! Sorry, it is the same version dated 06/07/2005. I downloaded it once more, installed it (4th time!), looked at the TheBat! picture with the 3.5.26 version text (4th time!), after 3 minutes kill the not responding application and reinstall the 3.5.25 version. Are we playing a strange game? Do you think it is a normal release? Are you waiting messages from many other persons which wrote about this problem before? -- Best regards, Anatoly TheBat! v.3.5.25 Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Distributed AS IS
Hello all, ,- [ From The Bat! EULA ] | | The program is distributed AS IS and you assume full responsibility | for determining the suitability of the program and for results obtained. | | RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been or can be eliminated | from the program software and, with respect thereto, RITLABS shall not | be responsible for losses, damages, costs, or expenses of any kind | resulting from using or misusing the program including without | limitation, any liability for business expenses, machine downtime, | damages experienced by you or any third person as a result of any | deficiency, defect, bug, error or malfunction. RITLABS shall not be | liable for any indirect, special, incidental, or consequential damages | relating to or arising out of the subject matter of this Agreement or | actions taken thereunder | | NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. YOU USE THE PROGRAM AT | YOUR OWN RISK. RITLABS DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR | IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A | PARTICULAR PURPOSE. NOBODY WILL BE LIABLE FOR DATA LOSS, DAMAGES, LOSS | OF PROFITS OR ANY OTHER KIND OF LOSS WHILE USING OR MISUSING THIS | SOFTWARE. `- It seems that some times, or some of us, forget about EULAs. Most software include similar terms. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 7:47:42 PM, a fearless knight known as MAU entered the dragon's lair and exclaimed: | RITLABS DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR | IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A | PARTICULAR PURPOSE. It seems that some times, or some of us, forget about EULAs. Most software include similar terms. True - but, however it's a typical clause, I'd dare to question it, as it explicitly declares that the program to which this EULA pertains might prove useless (fitness for a particular purpose) and it's the user's problem if it does. In other words, it's a sort of an anti-warranty: even if we ship you a brick instead of a working machine, it's your problem. I wonder how such clauses make their way in and stay in the industry, despite being obviously open for all kinds of misuse. I mean, if I were to buy a vacuum cleaner, that would have inside this box is a vacuum cleaner, but perhaps broken, or rusted beyond repair, you can find out once you pay printed on the box, I'd rather stay away, eh? Makes me wonder, that's all. -- .^,-. sin(pi)ICQ=3.146019 -\---/---X---/- IQ=sin(3.14) `-'|`-' Random Broken English: Do not enter lift backwards, and only when lit up (in a Leipzig elevator) Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 4:54:14 PM, fear chilled people's souls as Vili whispered in a sinister voice: Then why the hell 3.5.25 can be downloaded from www.ritlabs.com and given to the users if that has a major bug :( To lose their faith in TB! ? :( Lose what? -- .^,-. sin(pi)ICQ=3.146019 -\---/---X---/- IQ=sin(3.14) `-'|`-' Random IRC quote: Evallix I have to stare at it to make it work Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
Hello All, first the high traffic on list (which forced me to mark 1.200 messages as read) and then this: missing references and no trout. Is it just me, who is disturbed by this? Or did you do already what I'm doing now - add Vili to the tony - filter. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
MaXxX, kinds of misuse. I mean, if I were to buy a vacuum cleaner, that would have inside this box is a vacuum cleaner, but perhaps broken, or rusted beyond repair, you can find out once you pay printed on the box, I'd rather stay away, eh? Makes me wonder, that's all. This disclaimer has been standard faire since the early days of DOS. If the performance of the vacuum cleaner depended on what version of House you are trying to use it with (and with what upgrades or not) and what kind of refrigerator, and washing machine you have (or maybe none), you can bet that vacuum cleaners would have the same disclaimer. Mulberry lovers might be interested to know that the current version of Mulberry runs poorly if I modify the columns displayed in the message index on my desktop computer. My laptop does not show this problem. Both are running identical Windows XP's with all current updates from MS. I am sure the problem is driving Cyrus Daboo mad at this point. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5.26onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Distributed AS IS
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 1:38:22 PM, (Internet Time - @818) you wrote: Hello MaXxX, M True - but, however it's a typical clause, I'd dare to question it, as M it explicitly declares that the program to which this EULA pertains M might prove useless (fitness for a particular purpose) and it's the M user's problem if it does. In other words, it's a sort of an M anti-warranty: even if we ship you a brick instead of a working M machine, it's your problem. I wonder how such clauses make their way M in and stay in the industry, despite being obviously open for all M kinds of misuse. I mean, if I were to buy a vacuum cleaner, that would M have inside this box is a vacuum cleaner, but perhaps broken, or M rusted beyond repair, you can find out once you pay printed on the M box, I'd rather stay away, eh? Makes me wonder, that's all. But I believe you get to Try it out for 30 days before buying the program. That way you can put it through it's paces and see if it meets your needs. If not then delete it off your computer. -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.26 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
Hello MAU. --On 14 June 2005 19:47 +0200 you wrote about Distributed AS IS: It seems that some times, or some of us, forget about EULAs. Most software include similar terms. Most software does actually do what it claims to do, even to the point of actually installing! -- Tony. M pgphb3lsfgz0v.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Mary. --On 14 June 2005 11:20 -0500 you wrote about Re: No more OTFE?: The full release of v. 3.5.26 a few minutes ago answered my question. So what's the difference between 3.5.26 released a few moments ago and the 3.5.26 version that I haven't been able to get to work for the past few weeks? -- Tony. M pgpZ1aaJerQKp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Checking to see where we are?
Hello Gleason. --On 14 June 2005 09:45 -0700 you wrote about Re: Checking to see where we are?: Maybe we will have a long list of real fixes this time. Was it Disneyland USA or Disneyland Paris you went to? -- Tony. M pgpVLSc0nB9mf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
Hi Boris, -- 14.06.2005 20:37 +0200: Or did you do already what I'm doing now - add Vili to the tony - filter. Just in case you really have this tony - filter. Tony has changed his provider and actually uses great Fastmail. All messages by Tony thread fine now. -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
--On Tuesday, June 14, 2005 21:18:24 +0200 Manuel Breitfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case you really have this tony - filter. Tony has changed his provider and actually uses great Fastmail. All messages by Tony thread fine now. I had no intention of telling him that, I'd rather he left me in his kill filter. I certainly won't be taking him out of mine. -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
and then this: missing references and no trout. Is it just me, who is disturbed by this? Or did you do already what I'm doing now - add Vili to the tony - filter. Whatever you want man, whatever you want... Can you possibly imagine that sometimes someone is FORCED to use other shitty email client, not TB! ??? Can you?? Bunko vagy baratom, az a velemenyem. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 20:18, Manuel Breitfeld wrote: Just in case you really have this tony - filter. Tony has changed his provider and actually uses great Fastmail. All messages by Tony thread fine now. In fact, it's not too hard to reverse the threading process. -- Tony. KM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
--On Tuesday, June 14, 2005 19:56:28 + Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you possibly imagine that sometimes someone is FORCED to use other shitty email client, not TB! ??? Can you?? Some people don't give a damn if your having problems. Just so long as their desktop looks pretty with perfect threading, nice coloured icons and God forbid if they should have one of those icons missing. Just so long as our problems don't interfere with them, just so long as they get the help they need without having to lift a finger to help anyone else. Bunko vagy baratom, az a velemenyem. I have no idea what you just said but it sounds good so I'll second it :) -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
Can you possibly imagine that sometimes someone is FORCED to use other shitty email client, not TB! ??? Can you?? Some people don't give a damn if your having problems. Just so long as their desktop looks pretty with perfect threading, nice coloured icons and God forbid if they should have one of those icons missing. :) These were the words I was looking for... Bunko vagy baratom, az a velemenyem. I have no idea what you just said but it sounds good so I'll second it :) :) It was an abbreviation for the sentences you just wrote in your mail :) In a more direct way, I have to admit :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
Hello MaXxX, .^,-. sin(pi) -\---/---X---/- `-'|`-' Nahhh! You're not MaXxX ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5.26 don't start
Hello Tbbeta, If 3.5.26 don't start, could you please tell what version of props.dll do you have? Click right mouse button on props.dll and select version tab. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
Hello Tony, Tony Boom wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Just in case you really have this tony - filter. Tony has changed his provider and actually uses great Fastmail. All messages by Tony thread fine now. In fact, it's not too hard to reverse the threading process. True, in fact it's impossible. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Maxim, -- 14.06.2005 23:37 +0300: If 3.5.26 don't start, could you please tell what version of props.dll do you have? Click right mouse button on props.dll and select version tab. Sorry, I didn't look up its version at the time TB! v3.5.26 won't start for me. In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07.06.2005 18:32 I wrote the following: | I have a props.dll (MD5: 238fadd0c2e4cca726114e248e733319) in my | directory, but nothing goes... :( This checksum is different compared to the one my props.dll has after I installed v3.5.25 and then clicked on repair of v3.5.26 msi. Summarized, it actually works with this props.dll: MD5: e108d495d01622290204dfc00998e80d Version: 1.16.0.0 -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Maxim, On 14-06-2005 22:37, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM If 3.5.26 don't start, could you please tell what version of MM props.dll do you have? Click right mouse button on props.dll and MM select version tab. The one in the RAR file. I even tried with an earlier (.21) props.dll without luck. I have the version at work, so if you need me to check which version was in the RAR file (in case you've changed it: if not - just check yourself), I can do it tomorrow. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
Hello Manuel, Manuel Breitfeld wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Or did you do already what I'm doing now - add Vili to the tony - filter. Just in case you really have this tony - filter. Believe me, I have. Tony has changed his provider and actually uses great Fastmail. Makes my filter more complicate. But thanks for information. All messages by Tony thread fine now. Sure? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hello Maxim, on Tuesday, 14. June 2005, at 23:37:08 [GMT +0300] you wrote regarding 3.5.26 don't start: If 3.5.26 don't start, could you please tell what version of props.dll do you have? Click right mouse button on props.dll and select version tab. this is a working 3.5.26 plus props.dll File Version 1.16.0.0 http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=visitlid=200 -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.5.26 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgpX1OBnQB8HT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : M Hello all, M ,- [ From The Bat! EULA ] M | M | The program is distributed AS IS and you assume full responsibility M | for determining the suitability of the program and for results obtained. M | M | RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been or can be eliminated M | from the program software and, with respect thereto, RITLABS shall not M | be responsible for losses, damages, costs, or expenses of any kind M | resulting from using or misusing the program including without M | limitation, any liability for business expenses, machine downtime, M | damages experienced by you or any third person as a result of any M | deficiency, defect, bug, error or malfunction. RITLABS shall not be M | liable for any indirect, special, incidental, or consequential damages M | relating to or arising out of the subject matter of this Agreement or M | actions taken thereunder M | M | NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED. YOU USE THE PROGRAM AT M | YOUR OWN RISK. RITLABS DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR M | IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A M | PARTICULAR PURPOSE. NOBODY WILL BE LIABLE FOR DATA LOSS, DAMAGES, LOSS M | OF PROFITS OR ANY OTHER KIND OF LOSS WHILE USING OR MISUSING THIS M | SOFTWARE. M `- M It seems that some times, or some of us, forget about EULAs. Most M software include similar terms. The EULA are meant to protect the software companies from being sued. If a software company must use the EULA to justify buggy software it better get a new core business... like selling apples on the local market. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Makes more sense when you're tripping. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.26 don't start
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 0:00:34, you wrote: this is a working 3.5.26 plus props.dll File Version 1.16.0.0 http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=visitlid=200 How did you compile the working 3.5.26? Where did you get the working props.dll? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Missing references (Was: Re: Filtering issue)
Hi Boris, -- 14.06.2005 22:56 +0200: All messages by Tony thread fine now. Sure? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This doesn't, you're right. Sent by *great* K-Mail - I'm really not that involved, I can comment things here. Everybody is free to delete messages, nobody needs to justify his decision. So I would just suggest, that you delete what you want to delete, Boris. Vili has to use the web-interface at some time and this is okay. I like him seeing participating in the list. -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
[Reply to: Thomas Martin · 2005-06-14 · 23:00 h (CET)] Hello, Thomas! this is a working 3.5.26 plus props.dll File Version 1.16.0.0 http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=visitlid=200 Downloaded and installed, but does not work on my laptop. :-/ -- Cheers! VA - using The Bat! 3.5.25 (Pro) on Windows XP Service Pack 2. If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
[Reply to: Maxim Masiutin · 2005-06-14 · 22:37 h (CET)] Hello, Maxim! If 3.5.26 don't start, could you please tell what version of props.dll do you have? Click right mouse button on props.dll and select version tab. The version is 1.16.0.0. -- Cheers! VA - using The Bat! 3.5.25 (Pro) on Windows XP Service Pack 2. If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.26 don't start
Hello Volker, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 0:21:13, you wrote: Downloaded and installed, but does not work on my laptop. :-/ What happens with this version? I've just checked the 3.5.26 MSI, the EXE and DLL files are OK there. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.26 don't start
Hello Volker, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 0:19:15, you wrote: The version is 1.16.0.0. What if you UNINSTALL 3.5.25 and then install 3.5.26, will it work? If it won't help, please try deleting tbuser.def, and just let us know the outcome. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hello Maxim, on Wednesday, 15. June 2005, at 00:02:32 [GMT +0300] you wrote regarding 3.5.26 don't start: http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=visitlid=200 How did you compile the working 3.5.26? Where did you get the working props.dll? Just copied these two files from my TheBat! working directory :) -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.5.26 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgpBC2HieZvgj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.26 don't start
Hello Manuel, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 1:45:51 PM, you wrote: MB Hi Maxim, MB -- 14.06.2005 23:37 +0300: If 3.5.26 don't start, could you please tell what version of props.dll do you have? Click right mouse button on props.dll and select version tab. MB | I have a props.dll (MD5: 238fadd0c2e4cca726114e248e733319) in my MB | directory, but nothing goes... :( MB This checksum is different compared to the one my props.dll has after I MB installed v3.5.25 and then clicked on repair of v3.5.26 msi. MB Summarized, it actually works with this props.dll: MB MD5: e108d495d01622290204dfc00998e80d MB Version: 1.16.0.0 I also have props.dll version 1.16.0.0. (5/30/2005 10:13:17) after reinstalling TheBat! v3.5.25. ; Generated by WIN-SFV32 v1.0 ; (Compatible: Total Commander 6.53) props.dll 68D589F8 After installing v.3.5.26 I could get only the known picture and program didn't start actually. Confirmed 4 times. -- Best regards, Anatoly TheBat v.3.5.25 Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Checking to see where we are?
martes, 14 jun 2005 at 14:58, it seems you wrote:
unless they first give me the working
version of OTFE
I'm working correctly with OTFE, what's your problem ?
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Re[2]: Distributed AS IS
Hello Goncalo, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:59:28 PM, you wrote: The EULA are meant to protect the software companies from being sued. If a software company must use the EULA to justify buggy software it better get a new core business... like selling apples on the local market. Well you could apply this to some of the biggest companies, never mind Ritlabs :-)) Just yesterday, as a for instance of how complex and inter-related problems can be, I set a password in the bios of my motherboard. Now, after entering the password, the SATA check takes ages UNLESS I hit return - but nowhere on screen am I asked to. Look at all the apps XP SP2 broke when issued. I have had trouble installing OS/2 on identical systems from Compaq - one went fine, the other never took. -- Best regards, Xav Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
lunes, 13 jun 2005 at 03:01, it seems you wrote:
After a reinstall of windows I reinstalled The Bat! from the
3.5.25 msi install package. I selected OTFE with password.
However it never gave me the opportunity to enter a password.
Now my mail base is in plain text. I updated to 3.5.26 hoping
that that would give me the chance to encrypt.
How do I get encryption back?
I did this:
- Full backup
- Full uninstallation of TB!
- Delete RIT key in registry (normally the uninstaller removes it)
- Install TB! (select OTFE and don't recover the backup).
- Close TB!
- Delete RIT key in registry
- Open TB!
- Select OTFE and restore backup
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Re[2]: No more OTFE?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 12:43:25 PM, you wrote: Do you mean 3.5.26? My error, I am running 3.5.26. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. My apologies for bothering the list. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On 6/15/05, NetVicious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did this: - Full backup - Full uninstallation of TB! - Delete RIT key in registry (normally the uninstaller removes it) - Install TB! (select OTFE and don't recover the backup). - Close TB! - Delete RIT key in registry - Open TB! - Select OTFE and restore backup NV, can you explain why you did that double installation of 3.5.26? This is not the same approach as Allie and Tony recommended. Will this give a better restoration of the backup - one in which I can run a successful search on OTFE directories that were restored from backup of non-OTFE directories? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Checking to see where we are?
On 6/15/05, NetVicious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: martes, 14 jun 2005 at 14:58, it seems you wrote: unless they first give me the working version of OTFE I'm working correctly with OTFE, what's your problem ? NV, please see my tale of woe on the OTFE thread, including my questions to you. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No more OTFE?
On 6/15/05, Ethan J. Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. Jerry, I doubt that Mary meant any disrespect. In any event, please don't be disheartened by one person's opinion. I am sure that many many of us consider your observations about TB to be quite legitimate. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
On Tue 14-Jun-05 5:13pm -0500, NetVicious wrote: I did this: - Full backup - Full uninstallation of TB! - Delete RIT key in registry (normally the uninstaller removes it) - Install TB! (select OTFE Why did you do the following five things? and don't recover the backup). - Close TB! - Delete RIT key in registry - Open TB! - Select OTFE and restore backup -- Best regards, Bill The Wounded Bat 3.5.25 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Ethan! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:25 PM, you wrote: For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. Indeed, I meant no disrespect in the paragraph you quote from me, above. I just wanted you to be more specific and pinpoint the circumstances in which The Bat! isn't performing well for you, so that maybe those problems can be fixed. And I wanted you to add a note to the report on the Connection Centre in Bug Tracker. The more such supporting notes there are, the more likely the foreground/background difficulties with CC will get fixed soon. My apologies for bothering the list. You were not bothering the list, or me either. You gave me an opportunity to express my own viewpoint. I will be happy to continue reading your general complaints. I just want a better chance to see them attended to. I think already Maxim is paying attention to people for whom v. 3.5.26 won't run at all. I like to see us give him (and the others) a little encouragement along with the criticism. friendly smile :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Avi! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 5:41 PM, you wrote: I guess, after reading your response to my comments, I take it that my comments are really nothing more than a pain in the neck, too general and of no real value. Too bad given I've been at this game for quite a while. I'll keep any further comments on the program to myself. Jerry, I doubt that Mary meant any disrespect. In any event, please don't be disheartened by one person's opinion. I am sure that many many of us consider your observations about TB to be quite legitimate. Thanks, Avi. I did indeed mean no disrespect. Sometimes it is hard for me to say exactly what I intend to say. I consider Jerry's observations both legitimate and valuable. But I wanted to ask him to expand on them and be very specific, so that maybe a Bug Track issue report could be written and there might in that way be a better chance of getting the problems attended to. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hi Mary, On 14/06/2005 11:43 AM -0500, you wrote: b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. No such problem here. So, could you detail further circumstances of your specific set-up that might help the developers pinpoint why this is happening to you and not to most of the rest of us? What more information would be helpful here? Anyway, to give Ethan something to test, I can confirm the increased memory consumption. The 'good part' being that if you don't have TB! set to always have its icon in the systray, the memory is released on minimizing TB!.. d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. Again, this is way too general a comment to help anyone pinpoint what's going wrong for you. :( Apart from some objective evidence, i.e., actual timings to help eliminate subjectivity, I don't see what more can be said here.. What specifically would you wish to know? Overall, I think, will not be constructive or helpful criticism. What's needed are specific reports of exact circumstances--when confirmed, these can be added to the Bug Track issues pages, where they can be assigned to specific programmers for work. If the problem isn't specific, how can one give a specific report. One can only report that they aren't happy and what the general problem is. That's a start; i.e., communicating that you're not happy. Only the developers or someone highly experienced in development and beta testing etc. can point the person reporting in the right direction. They're the ones that will have ideas about what could be wrong and ask for the relevant information. I've been there many times, i.e., starting general and being asked specifics by developers. Things are mentioned that I'd just never think of. If the reporter has specific circumstances, they'll usually state it. Just asking for it without any guidance doesn't help. Frankly, I don't know what to ask, but I sure acknowledge that he *is* having a problem, even though I may not be able to duplicate it. ...Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. Well, Jerry! Again, non-specific complaining. Everyone knows that IMAP is receiving serious work in the current beta series, or at least I would guess, everyone *should* know!! I know, and I'm quietly using Mulberry here. Serious work doesn't take this situation away... at least not yet. I don't really see it as a complaint. He's stating his problems as you asked him to. The whole IMAP deal is a can of worms and I fully understand his making a general comment and not really getting into it. What would be the point of it? It's so heavily discussed already. He's just mentioning it as part of his pool of problems that you were curious about. I think, just my own opinion, the questions and complaints of the beta testers should be at least as specific and concise as Maxim's above-quoted list. :) It cannot always be like that. I doubt it will ever be like that. He has control, and he made specific changes that he can report on. OTOH, I may just see high memory usage ... and I just report what I see and wait for further instructions. Quite often, and this memory issue makes a good example, fixes are made without any query for specifics after we simply reported the problem. For the sake of everyone's peace of mind, I hope that you will get some real (that is, road-map-type news), too. But I think the general direction of the work is clear, and that we can be most helpful by staying very specific in what we report and ask for on TBBETA. That's an ideal that, IMO, will never be realized under the current circumstances. I see something close to that ideal on other lists, but the current conditions and communication levels make this a highly unlikely thing to happen here. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- I will defend to your death my right to my opinion. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 10:24:44 PM, MAU picked up a feather, dipped its tip in ink, and began scribbling: Nahhh! You're not MaXxX ;-) Shhh. Wrong sig. :P -- .^,-. sin(pi)ICQ=3.146019 -\---/---X---/- IQ=sin(3.14) `-'|`-' Random church bulletin blooper: This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward and lay an egg on the altar. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No more OTFE?
Hello Allie! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:01 PM, you wrote: b) memory problems. After running the program for more than two hours, when I shut down, lots of hanging and then sometimes I have to kill the program. Version 25 was a little better, not much. No such problem here. So, could you detail further circumstances of your specific set-up that might help the developers pinpoint why this is happening to you and not to most of the rest of us? What more information would be helpful here? Allie, I am so very ignorant. I didn't mean to open a can of worms or to make Jerry feel that his observations aren't wanted, and I just now said so to him. But, I thought maybe he could say what other programs were running concurrent with TB! when he shuts it down, whether maybe the CC thought it should still be completing a task (I've seen that happen myself a long time ago, as early as v. 2.xx), and what the Task Manager was saying about all of it. I thought that Jerry knows a lot more about programs than I do--just as I think that you do, Allie--and that he could add something to his report of hanging on shut-down. Anyway, to give Ethan something to test, I can confirm the increased memory consumption. The 'good part' being that if you don't have TB! set to always have its icon in the systray, the memory is released on minimizing TB!.. I'm glad to have you add this. I remembered your having said something along those lines, just couldn't remember when. d) Overall, a noted decrease in speed and performance over the last official release. Again, this is way too general a comment to help anyone pinpoint what's going wrong for you. :( Apart from some objective evidence, i.e., actual timings to help eliminate subjectivity, I don't see what more can be said here.. Well, yes, compare times in numbers between the releases that ran well for him and those that didn't. And whether he was running the same mix of programs alongside The Bat! with the older versions that ran fast enough as with v. 3.5.25 and v. 3.5.26. What specifically would you wish to know? Well, maybe, is his OS in general running slow? Would he be willing to put say, v. 3.0.2.10 or perhaps v. 3.1.33 back on his machine for a little while and actually time the difference in speed? Overall, I think, will not be constructive or helpful criticism. What's needed are specific reports of exact circumstances--when confirmed, these can be added to the Bug Track issues pages, where they can be assigned to specific programmers for work. If the problem isn't specific, how can one give a specific report. One can only report that they aren't happy and what the general problem is. True. And then we read these reports over a period of days and weeks, and no one answers, so I thought maybe we could get a description with some numerical measurements in it and get a developer to answer. That's a start; i.e., communicating that you're not happy. Only the developers or someone highly experienced in development and beta testing etc. can point the person reporting in the right direction. They're the ones that will have ideas about what could be wrong and ask for the relevant information. Yes. I don't know what the developers need. I just know that I have seen people like 9Val and Maxim over and over on this list--when they actually began to pay attention and work on someone's problem--ask for a more specific description. I've been there many times, i.e., starting general and being asked specifics by developers. Things are mentioned that I'd just never think of. If the reporter has specific circumstances, they'll usually state it. Just asking for it without any guidance doesn't help. Frankly, I don't know what to ask, but I sure acknowledge that he *is* having a problem, even though I may not be able to duplicate it. Well, that's why I started talking to Jerry. I saw that he had a problem--even though my set-up with v. 3.5.26 is not exhibiting that problem. I wanted to help get some attention for it, as he seemed to feel he was not getting that attention. The same way that I wanted to understand and help with Avi's CC foreground/background problem. ...Furthermore, IMAP is still questionable at best. I've given up on that front and use other programs if IMAP is required. Well, Jerry! Again, non-specific complaining. Everyone knows that IMAP is receiving serious work in the current beta series, or at least I would guess, everyone *should* know!! I know, and I'm quietly using Mulberry here. Serious work doesn't take this situation away... at least not yet. I don't really see it as a complaint. He's stating his problems as you asked him to. The whole IMAP deal is a can of worms and I fully understand his making a general comment and not really getting into it. What would be the point of it? It's so heavily discussed already. He's just mentioning it as part of his pool of problems that you were curious
Re: Distributed AS IS
Hello SinPi! On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:07 PM, you wrote: Nahhh! You're not MaXxX ;-) Shhh. Wrong sig. :P I know you're MaXxX! I recognize the tag line! hehehe -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Wrong threading (Was: Re: Distributed AS IS)
Hello Xav, Your message was not threaded properly and trying to understand why I looked at your headers and found: X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5.0.17) Professional Just curious, why are you still using v3.5.0.17? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goncalo Farias tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your In-Reply-To: and References: headers do not include Goncalo's MID [EMAIL PROTECTED] to which you replied. Instead, they reference MID [EMAIL PROTECTED] which I can't find in my TBBeta folder or in my whole message base. However, the References: header correctly includes the MID of my message that started this thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Can you or anybody explain what happened here? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Distributed AS IS
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : X Hello Goncalo, X Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:59:28 PM, you wrote: The EULA are meant to protect the software companies from being sued. If a software company must use the EULA to justify buggy software it better get a new core business... like selling apples on the local market. X Well you could apply this to some of the biggest companies, never X mind Ritlabs :-)) Just yesterday, as a for instance of how complex X and inter-related problems can be, I set a password in the bios of X my motherboard. Now, after entering the password, the SATA check X takes ages UNLESS I hit return - but nowhere on screen am I asked X to. Look at all the apps XP SP2 broke when issued. I have had X trouble installing OS/2 on identical systems from Compaq - one went X fine, the other never took. That's no excuse. Just because others fail doesn't mean we shouldn't expect excellency from Ritlabs or, on the other hand, just forgive the numerous bugs we've seen lately. With this I'm not saying they're not doing their best but we're not happy with so many bugs... the bugs must be terminated. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I am Tweety of Borg. I tawt I attimilated a Puddy Tat! Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[3]: Distributed AS IS
X to. Look at all the apps XP SP2 broke when issued. I have had X trouble installing OS/2 on identical systems from Compaq - one went X fine, the other never took. That's no excuse. Just because others fail doesn't mean we shouldn't expect excellency from Ritlabs or, on the other hand, just forgive the numerous bugs we've seen lately. I think the point of what he is saying is that not it is a matter of software excellency or not. Sometimes your very excellent program can fail because of lack of excellency somewhere else in the system. Getting excellency all around becomes a matter of odds. The more components you have working together the more likely it is that one of them will fail. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5.26onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Keyboard shortcuts in folder menu
Hi MAU PM The keyboard shortcut for Maintenance in the Folder menu is lost. M Why don't you assign your preferred shortcut using Customise? I notice at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4759 you mention you want to start your maintenance via PowerPro. Why not use TB's internal scheduler? -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.26 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
