Re: IMAP - getting multiple copies of same folder in tree
Hello Dwight, Thursday, June 23, 2005, 11:09:07 PM, you wrote: I imagine there is also a bug here somewhere. I've made the mistake of trying to manage my FastMail folders through TB and quickly realised that it's disastrous. If I move or change a folder accidently then I find the easiest way is to rectify the problem through FM's web interface. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.5.30 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Very Important Question
Bonjour Alexander, ASK And when I quote it and reflow your quotes with ALT-L, everything ASK is gone. ASK Get my point now? :-) Nope! Why would you want to reflow manually your text while using auto-format which does this for you? Once again, I'm just talking about a feature (hard vs soft-return) encountered in most editors. When I need to send a long e-mail with line breaks within paragraphs, I have to start an external editor, type in my text, press ALT+A, ALT+C, ALT+TAB, return to TheBat and press ALT+V. I suppose there're other, easier ways to do this, but I haven't found them yet. MicroEd is an excellent mail editor and one of the better reasons why I stick to TheBat. ... with the exception of the missing soft-return :-) Kind regards -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - getting multiple copies of same folder in tree
--On Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:09 pm -0500 Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the process, however, I have grown these multiple copies of several folders as demonstrated by the attachment. I had that, when I first started using TB with IMAP. I had 15 copies each of three different folders at one time. I don't know how it was happening but I had to start from fresh to get rid of them as they just kept multiplying every time I started TB. If you look back through the archives you may be able to find my post complete with a screen shot of them. I wasn't using fastmail at the time. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
A little roadmap
Hi All, So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Currently main directions of TB! development are: - IMAP - Unicode support - HTML editor improvements - Customization - Bug-fixes -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Hi Mark, MP They all start answering without asking why these questions are important! :-) Actually, answer is very simple - as you can see in just-posted roadmap, Unicode support is one of our goals, and it surely will cause editor changes. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi 9Val, Le vendredi 24 juin 2005 à 11:06:06, vous écriviez : 9 Hi All, 9 So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the 9 beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) 9 We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no 9 deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will 9 be named releases. And could you tell us when the TBME (the bat mobile edition) will be released ? I'm very impatient to see/have/use it !!! Greetings, -- Claude Renaud Skype : Name : renaud_claude Number : 0870445179 Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - getting multiple copies of same folder in tree
Hi Dwight, Try to delete Account.imf file in account directory. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Very Important Question
Hi all, FS I only miss the possibility to start a new line in the same FS paragraph with the auto-format mode switched on, like many FS word-processors do with Shift+Return. CM Agreed. And in addition to this a possibility to visually distinguish CM between new line (Shift+Return) and new paragraph (Return) would CM be helpful. I talk about something like the ?Control Characters? in CM Word (-processors). Why all the trouble? One-Enter is end-paragraph-and-goto-next-line, two-Enter is end-paragraph-and-insert-new-empty-line. The way it's done since WordStar. Why fumble around with two different key combinations that just confuse everything all over again? CM By the way, as we are just talking about wish list items: A vertical CM 1 pixel wide line showing the right border of the text currently CM edited would also be nice. Yes! That's an idea! (Cute how you always missed something without knowing exactly what it was... ;-) ) -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpIuDyBol91T.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Very Important Question
Hi, ASK How do you keep line feed and line feed apart once the message is sent? ASK You can't do that. A linefeed is a linefeed, especially in a plain text ASK message. Yes - it says go to next line. It does not say insert empty line here. So once more, I don't get what the problem is supposed to be. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpRyAn0cYrVu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
9Val, On 24-06-2005 11:06, you [9] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 9 Currently main directions of TB! development are: 9 - IMAP Looking very much forward. 9 - Unicode support Should be good. 9 - HTML editor improvements I suppose this will be a wise business decision. 9 - Customization Looking forward. 9 - Bug-fixes :-) Looking forward to new betas. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.30 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Very Important Question
On 6/24/05, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Why all the trouble? One-Enter is end-paragraph-and-goto-next-line, two-Enter is end-paragraph-and-insert-new-empty-line. The way it's done since WordStar. Why fumble around with two different key combinations that just confuse everything all over again? Not exactly, Alto. Currently, a hard enter in the MicroEd does not end the paragraph and start a new paragraph. It takes two hard enters to achieve that. So let me give one example of something I would hope to get from a Shift-Enter. Let's say that you want to enter something on the immediate next line - for example, you have given a quotation and now you are giving the source of that quote. And let's say that you want to format that immediate next line - the source of the quote - in a different way, say right-justified instead of left-justified. With a Shift-Enter to get to that next line - an enforced new paragraph - then should you need to reformat the preceding material (for example, with an Alt-L), it would not affect the format of the material on the next line (that you had formatted with an Alt-R). Okay, I know that this is not the way that MS Word works. And maybe this is not what others are looking for. But this would help me a lot when I do things like: The devil made me do it. Flip Wilson ~ -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP proposal: Away Mode
Hi all, since RIT stated that they were working on the basics of IMAP implementation I wish to inject one thought: Allie reported in a recent message that one problem of TheBat/IMAP vs. other programs like Mulberry is that TheBat is always caching a message locally before displaying it, which other programs do not. This of course leads to an aspect that has not even been touched yet: I'm using a laptop that is being synchronized (Windows Offline-Folder) when docked at home. Synchronizing includes the full TheBat message base to enable me to handle email even when abroad. With POP3 this was no problem at all, because there was a what's there is there philosophy. Whith IMAP I have to be extremly careful what I do because being able to read a received email while docked does not mean that it will be possible to view that same email when undocked. The sync policy TheBat uses with IMAP folders also is somewhat inconsistant, e.g. if you Maintenance/Compress your folders to purge semi-deleted messages all your cache of the other mails is gone, too. There are other occasions when the email you read while connected isn't there anymore when disconnected. I'm asking for a complete, intended (not just working in most cases anyhow like it is now) Away Mode with full synchronization on demand, where nothing of the cache will be dropped without TheBat being specifically directed to. What are other's thoughts about such a feature? -- MfG, Alto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpx7ZaQrFnN4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Fair enough, but I have two concerns: 1. Currently 3.5.30 seems to be the MSI that is available for download on the Ritlabs site, and it seems that this MSI is defective. I think that RL should get a new and improved MSI out as early as possible. 2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. What is the point of announcing that it has been fixed and then not giving a beta or daily release or whatever that would provide the required functionality (or at least a chance to test if that functionality has been restored)? So I hope this no-deadlines thing is only for official releases (to some extent, because I doubt that any business can run for long like that) and not for beta releases. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Very Important Question
Hi Avi, (BTW, is this correct? Is Avi your first name?) Why all the trouble? One-Enter is end-paragraph-and-goto-next-line, two-Enter is end-paragraph-and-insert-new-empty-line. The way it's done since WordStar. Why fumble around with two different key combinations that just confuse everything all over again? AY Not exactly, Alto. Currently, a hard enter in the MicroEd does not end AY the paragraph and start a new paragraph. It takes two hard enters to AY achieve that. You're telling me. :-( AY So let me give one example of something I would hope to get from a AY Shift-Enter. Let's say that you want to enter something on the AY immediate next line - for example, you have given a quotation and AY now you are giving the source of that quote. And let's say that AY you want to format that immediate next line - the source of the AY quote - in a different way, say right-justified instead of AY left-justified. With a Shift-Enter to get to that next line - an AY enforced new paragraph - then should you need to reformat the AY preceding material (for example, with an Alt-L), it would not AY affect the format of the material on the next line (that you had AY formatted with an Alt-R). Yes, I'm with you absolutly. This in fact is my basic complaint with MicroEd, not being able to handle a single Enter as an end this paragraph and start a new line as in every other editor I know of. But why do you need two keys do do it? Press enter once, end up in the next line. Press it again, insert one extra line. The only reason I can see to have enter AND shift-enter would be the exact opposite of your example: To have something (like the source of the quote in your example) on the next line, immidiatly after the quote itself, not being mingled with the quote when Alt-L is used, but still affected when you change the basic format such as justification. Using your example, if you pressed Alt-L in the quote the source would still be under it in a seperate line, but if you changed from left-justified to right-justified the quote source in its seperate line would also go right. This would be the only case in which you would need a seperate shift-enter, to start a line, yet still leave the two connected for formatting. Could be useful, while I personally wouldn't need that. What I needed was a clean end-of-paragraph, continue in next line. There currently is no such thing in MicroEd, instead you have to insert a superflous empty line to help MicroEd recognizing the change of paragraph. AY Okay, I know that this is not the way that MS Word works. And maybe AY this is not what others are looking for. But this would help me a lot AY when I do things like: AY AY The devil made me do it. AY Flip Wilson AY ~ I still don't see why you should need a shift-enter to do it. The problem with the current realization is no issue, I'm with you all the way. But why the two keys if you specifically don't want formatting being applied to the other paragraph, too? -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpf8dRMre9Qt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: A little roadmap
On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 5:34:13 AM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: 2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. What is the point of announcing that it has been fixed and then not giving a beta or daily... 9Val gave us a mini roadmap. Don't take it to be more than what it is. What does it have to do with a new service release that includes the fixes that were already reported as done? -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.30 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters! Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi Avi, AY2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had AY already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - AY that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get AY a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. Yes, there are a lot fixes. But current build is not yet ready for public, do you want to start another rush session? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Avi, AY2. Several days ago, Maxim announced that several bug fixes had AY already been completed - including a fix to the Connection Centre - AY that I have been wanting for a long time. I would surely prefer to get AY a version of TB with that long-awaited fix ASAP. Yes, there are a lot fixes. But current build is not yet ready for public, do you want to start another rush session? Not at all. And I also don't want to be given another bunch of alpha releases to test either. But I distinguish between betas and public releases. I think what most people here found most alarming was the fact that RL would put out an untested MSI as a public release - that RL suddenly rushes to go public with something that was mysteriously untested. So, 9Val, I think you are confusing my point 2 with my point 1. My first point was that there is - to the best of my knowledge - a defective MSI on the RL Website as the current public release. I think that should be fixed ASAP - in other words with an element of rush about it. My second point pertained only to beta releases. So we all know that the fixes that have been done are not yet ready for the public. But we are not the public - we are RL's beta testers. So why not releas a version of TB with those fixes to us? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP proposal: Away Mode
On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 5:30:12 AM [GMT -0500], Alto Speckhardt wrote: Allie reported in a recent message that one problem of TheBat/IMAP vs. other programs like Mulberry is that TheBat is always caching a message locally before displaying it, which other programs do not. I did not say this. :) I think you misunderstood. All IMAP clients cache what they display. I don't know any that don't do this. Internet browsers cache what they display too. It's just how the cache is managed between restarts that may differ between clients. I was referring to the message list and TB!. For you to read a single message in an IMAP mailbox using TB!, TB! has to first propagate and cache the full message list locally. That's not too unusual BTW. ThunderBird does the same thing. So here's the sequence when you don't have full message synchronisation enabled: - You select an IMAP mailbox and TB! updates the message list to show exactly what's currently on the server. When you're finished browsing and exit TB!, the list as was last sync'd with the server remains in the cache and you'll be able to use it when undocked. - You read messages. As you read messages, whatever you are able to read is cached locally. So all messages that you've read are cached locally. They remain cached locally unless you delete the cache. Note that only those messages you've viewed are cached. The bodies of unviewed messages are not in the cache since you didn't request them for viewing. I'm using a laptop that is being synchronized (Windows Offline-Folder) when docked at home. Synchronizing includes the full TheBat message base to enable me to handle email even when abroad. So you're using the full-synchronisation option for your IMAP mailboxes? If so, then with this mode, TB! will retrieve message bodies even though you haven't requested them for viewing. However, this sort of synchronisation is bandwidth intensive and can bog down your connection unless you have a low traffic IMAP account with not many messages. With POP3 this was no problem at all, because there was a what's there is there philosophy. Whith IMAP I have to be extremly careful what I do because being able to read a received email while docked does not mean that it will be possible to view that same email when undocked. Once you've read a message docked, you'll be able to read the same message while undocked. If you wish to read messages undocked/disconnected that you *did not* read while docked/connected, then you would have had to do a full synchronisation operation prior to disconnecting/undocking. The sync policy TheBat uses with IMAP folders also is somewhat inconsistant, e.g. if you Maintenance/Compress your folders to purge semi-deleted messages all your cache of the other mails is gone, too. There are other occasions when the email you read while connected isn't there anymore when disconnected. Hmmm. I don't experience this, which of course, doesn't mean that you're not. :) That's the nature of TB! IMAP now. The user experiences can be so different. Note too that I've never tried working with TB! IMAP is disconnect mode and I doubt very much that it would work as it should provided that all you're doing is reading mail while disconnected. If it did, then importing messages to TB! would work right. Mulberry supports working in disconnect mode. What happens in such a mode is that you're offered to synchronise your folders prior disconnecting. Once disconnected, the cache is retained and you can go ahead and work with what you have cached. Your changes are stored and upon your next connection, Mulberry updates the server to reflect all that you had done while disconnected. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.30 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Disinformation is not as good as datinformation. Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP proposal: Away Mode
Hi Allie, AM I was referring to the message list and TB!. For you to read a single AM message in an IMAP mailbox using TB!, TB! has to first propagate and AM cache the full message list locally. That's not too unusual BTW. AM ThunderBird does the same thing. You're right, I did misunderstand. When you spoke of the message list, I understood messages. My apologies. But whatever: AM - You read messages. As you read messages, whatever you are able to read AM is cached locally. So all messages that you've read are cached locally. AM They remain cached locally unless you delete the cache. Technically, this may be correct from where I stand. Still, it is not really satisfying: For one, I may not even notice that I erase the cache. For example, I often want to compress the files of my local mailbase to save time when synchronizing with my laptop. To do this, I select Maintenance/DeleteDeleted. Theoretically, this should repack the folder files fazing out the deleted mails, while leaving everything else intact, right? Wrong. After this, the complete cache is gone. Second, even if I do nothing that could endanger the cache, I freuqently end up with not being able to view messages anyway. Shall I try to recount the times when I needed a message abroad and got a no message loaded instead? In my view this is a result of the cache not being meant as a mailbase, but indeed as a cache whose contents are non-critical and can be refreshed any time. As a matter of fact I'd be using the cache in a way it was not meant to be used. That's why I wanted to bring this matter up now, when a basic redesign of the IMAP- (and, I suppose, cache-) handling is taking place: To change the flavour from might possibly be used also into if you're disconnected, use it. This would mean more prudent handling of the cache, e.g. not dropping it without being directed explicitly by the user and doing a full sync with every bit there is when instructed to. AM Note that only those messages you've viewed are cached. The bodies AM of unviewed messages are not in the cache since you didn't request AM them for viewing. But I executed Sync all folders, mode: complete. That should give me everything, whether previously viewed or not. AM So you're using the full-synchronisation option for your IMAP AM mailboxes? Yes. AM If so, then with this mode, TB! will retrieve message AM bodies even though you haven't requested them for viewing. AM However, this sort of synchronisation is bandwidth intensive and AM can bog down your connection unless you have a low traffic IMAP AM account with not many messages. I don't see another way if I want to be able to take everything with me on my laptop. Besides, why should it be a problem with volume? If I get a message, I will most certainly want to read it at some time, so what is the difference between retrieving everything at once now versus retrieving every message seperatly later on? AM Note too that I've never tried working with TB! IMAP is disconnect AM mode and I doubt very much that it would work as it should Your doubt is very much justified as I can testify from my experience, having used this constellation for some time. ;-) AM provided that all you're doing is reading mail while disconnected. AM If it did, then importing messages to TB! would work right. Reading, replying, deleting, moving... Everything I do while connected, except that the server is only synchronized (written messages sent, deletions performed on the server etc.) when I get back home. AM Mulberry supports working in disconnect mode. What happens in such a AM mode is that you're offered to synchronise your folders prior AM disconnecting. Once disconnected, the cache is retained and you can go AM ahead and work with what you have cached. Your changes are stored and AM upon your next connection, Mulberry updates the server to reflect all AM that you had done while disconnected. That's exactly what I'm leading to. Such a mode is not available in TheBat, it is just somhow there anyway - thus bearing problems, such as retaining of the cache in certain situations. For various reasons, most importantly the away issue, I need that mode and I would be very happy to see it officially provided by TheBat. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpOGUA6OqH8W.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Why all the trouble? One-Enter is end-paragraph-and-goto-next-line, two-Enter is end-paragraph-and-insert-new-empty-line. The way it's done since WordStar. Because some people never bothered them selves with inferior Disk Operating Systems and suspect word processors. Either because they are new to computers or they where wise enough to ship around the DOS age. -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 3.5.28 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 05-06-24 (11:06), you wrote:
Currently main directions of TB! development are:
- IMAP
- Unicode support
- HTML editor improvements
- Customization
- Bug-fixes
NNTP!
NNTP!
NNTP!
NNTP!
... on and on ...
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudlacik
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Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:52 pm +0300 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you want to start another rush session? Not for publication to the public no, but it would be nice if you could get your finger out for us testers :) I know it's going to take a while but it would be nice if I could at least try using TB again, I do miss it a lot! -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Hello Maxim, On Thursday, June 23, 2005 you wrote: 1. What are the disadvantages of Windows Editor comparing to MicroEd, and what features of MicroEd that you are really using, you are missing in Windows Editor? 2. What are the disadvantages of MicroEd comparing to Windows Editor, and what features of Windows Editor that you are really using, you are missing in MicroEd? As others have already said, plus I believe that some settings should be made common for both editors, RTV and PTV. For example there's no technical reason why microed and PTV can't have signature colouring, odd and even quotes colouring etc. and there should be just one place to set those settings -- it would be both easier for new users and faster to set up. I'm writing this in windows editor right now, and I feel strange about it :). I see that my signature isn't coloured as in RTV, which I consider a bug, since RTV and windows editor are based on the same technology right? Quote reformatting is one thing I see really missing (I shall see after sending, how it actually looks like). And I see that my signature is messed up -- perhaps the margin is too narrow. But maybe signatures should be allowed to go past the right margin? -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9Val gave us a mini roadmap. Don't take it to be more than what it is. What does it have to do with a new service release that includes the fixes that were already reported as done? Allie, I believe that 9Val's response to me and my reply to that response should clarify the connection. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: Very Important Question
On 6/24/05, Alto Speckhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Avi, (BTW, is this correct? Is Avi your first name?) Avi is currently my first name in Israel, but it's very common. So some people in the computer-related industries call me Jay. Take your pick... or choose another name, if you like. I'm not attached. AY Not exactly, Alto. Currently, a hard enter in the MicroEd does not end AY the paragraph and start a new paragraph. It takes two hard enters to AY achieve that. You're telling me. :-( It seems like we are on the same page here. Yes, I'm with you absolutly. This in fact is my basic complaint with MicroEd, not being able to handle a single Enter as an end this paragraph and start a new line as in every other editor I know of. Well, perhaps then the other solution would be best. To get a single Enter as the end for a paragraph and a Shift-Enter as a manual linefeed in the same paragraph (just as in MS Word and FrameMaker). I would be okay with that also. Maybe it is even better. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello. 9 Hi All, 9 So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the 9 beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) 9 We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no 9 deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will 9 be named releases. 9 Currently main directions of TB! development are: 9 - IMAP 9 - Unicode support 9 - HTML editor improvements 9 - Customization 9 - Bug-fixes And what about MS Exchange support? It was promised on version 2. -- Best regards, Den V. Yafyasov. The Bat! v3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 LANGUAGE=AM Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: IMAP proposal: Away Mode
On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 6:36:05 AM [GMT -0500], Alto Speckhardt wrote: You're right, I did misunderstand. When you spoke of the message list, I understood messages. My apologies. Not a problem. :) For one, I may not even notice that I erase the cache. For example, I often want to compress the files of my local mailbase to save time when synchronizing with my laptop. How will that save time? What synchronizing are you referring to? If you're referring to synchronizing with your IMAP server, I don't see how that compressing will save time. To do this, I select Maintenance/DeleteDeleted. Theoretically, this should repack the folder files fazing out the deleted mails, while leaving everything else intact, right? Wrong. After this, the complete cache is gone. Urmph! All I read are bad testimonials about the Maintenance center. When I right click a folder and select compress. All my messages don't disappear. Additionally, I'd suggest not to compress unless you're connected with the IMAP server. Your cache reflects what's on the server. When you compress locally, you're basically compressing what's on the server, i.e., deleting messages flagged for deletion. If you do so while disconnected, it will not work and just lead to buggy behaviour like your entire cache being wiped. Second, even if I do nothing that could endanger the cache, I freuqently end up with not being able to view messages anyway. .. and you're sure that these messages you cannot view are messages you had viewed while connected. Shall I try to recount the times when I needed a message abroad and got a no message loaded instead? In my view this is a result of the cache not being meant as a mailbase, but indeed as a cache whose contents are non-critical and can be refreshed any time. Without disconnect mode enabled in Mulberry, this is exactly how the cache is treated. In TB!, the cache isn't deleted unless you do so the right way or through using a buggy maintenance center while disconnected. That's why I wanted to bring this matter up now, when a basic redesign of the IMAP- (and, I suppose, cache-) handling is taking place: To change the flavour from might possibly be used also into if you're disconnected, use it. At the moment you can use it, but only for viewing. AFAIK, TB! doesn't support disconnect mode operations that are later propagated on the server when you next connect. RIT can correct me on this if I'm wrong. This would mean more prudent handling of the cache, e.g. not dropping it without being directed explicitly by the user and doing a full sync with every bit there is when instructed to. I'm wondering if you're correctly instructing it to. Open 'Manage IMAP folders'. What synchronisation mode option is selected for your IMAP mailboxes? AM Note that only those messages you've viewed are cached. The bodies AM of unviewed messages are not in the cache since you didn't request AM them for viewing. But I executed Sync all folders, mode: complete. That should give me everything, whether previously viewed or not. Are you using 'Full messages' as synchronisation mode and you select 'Sync all folders' then everything should synchronise. One wonders whether or not the full synchronisation actually runs to completion. You seem to be assuming that the cache has been built and then you lose it afterwards. I'm wondering if the cache was not fully built in the first place. I just don't lose cached stuff here unless I do something. I don't see another way if I want to be able to take everything with me on my laptop. Besides, why should it be a problem with volume? If I get a message, I will most certainly want to read it at some time, so what is the difference between retrieving everything at once now versus retrieving every message seperatly later on? You need to try Mulberry and see what a full sync is like. It takes a while for it to happen. You're locked from user input while it's happening too. Mulberry becomes impractical to use. It was not meant to be usually used in that way. You synchronise when getting ready for a disconnected use environment. Did the full synchronisation operation fully complete before you undock? TB!'s disconnecting from the server doesn't mean that it has happened either. TB! tends to disconnect anyway for various reasons, some of them inexplicable to me. Anyway, you're stretching the abilities and limits of IMAP with what you're doing. In my experience, TB!'s IMAP isn't robust enough for that sort of stuff. You're bound to run into trouble unless you're really careful, forgiving, and have a little know how. Me? I usually just fire up Mulberry instead. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.30 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Reality is nothing but a collective hunch. Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not for publication to the public no, but it would be nice if you could get your finger out for us testers :) Right. That was my point also. Having said that, Tony, I'm not acquainted with the expression - get your finger out. I infer that it means something like get a move on, but why exactly? Is it a bricklayer thing? Perhaps you could enlighten us on its derivation (if suitable for tender eyes or ears). :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:44 pm +0200 Krzysztof Kudlacik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! ... on and on ... I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then without having to have two programs open. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hi Avi, AY My second point pertained only to beta releases. So we all know that AY the fixes that have been done are not yet ready for the public. But we AY are not the public - we are RL's beta testers. So why not releas a AY version of TB with those fixes to us? Yes, there are a lot fixes and they'll be delivered to testers when it will be possible. My words are based on impressions of alpha testers - there are still some unfinished work which makes the program unusable in every day terms. BTW, it is unpleasant to publish any unfinished work, no matter of name (alpha/beta/release) and no matter who'll use it (testers/end users/reviewers) P.S. it seems, version will be available today, so be patient ;) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Very Important Question
Bonjour Avi, (I'll call you Jay next time :-) Yes, I'm with you absolutly. This in fact is my basic complaint with MicroEd, not being able to handle a single Enter as an end this paragraph and start a new line as in every other editor I know of. AY Well, perhaps then the other solution would be best. To get a single AY Enter as the end for a paragraph and a Shift-Enter as a manual AY linefeed in the same paragraph (just as in MS Word and FrameMaker). I AY would be okay with that also. Maybe it is even better. I really ought to apologize for my poor English! I suggested to use the Return key for the end of a paragraph, calling it hard return and the Shift+Return key combination for a manual linefeed (hence soft return). Several argued, opposed to this choice and eventually proposed... the very same thing. Gosh! I must be writing such a rotten English that nobody really understands what I mean. Anyway, the main point is that we all eventually agree: MicroEd is great; it would be even better with this tiny little improvement (end of paragraph/manual linefeed, hard/soft-return, end of line/end of paragraph... name it as you like, I'm happy with any word native English speakers think to be suitable, as long as it works the way I'm used to with OpenOffice or other editors!). I love the one-pixel line showing the right limit-idea as well. Kind regards -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: A little roadmap
Bonjour Tony, TB I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic TB editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop TB but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my TB photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I TB already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from TB within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then TB without having to have two programs open. You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, 9Val wrote: BTW, it is unpleasant to publish any unfinished work, no matter of name (alpha/beta/release) and no matter who'll use it (testers/end users/reviewers) I understand. I appreciate people who always try to produce the best possible product that they can, and I sympathize with their frustration when compelled to release something less than what they are capable of. P.S. it seems, version will be available today, so be patient ;) Not a problem. I only became a bit concerned because your original message suggested that it might take quite a lot longer. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, Fnar-fnar. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. A backward poet writes inverse. pgpDKBSSDqfEw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
On 6/24/05, Tony Boom wrote: --On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:13 pm +0300 Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, Tony, I'm not acquainted with the expression - get your finger out. I infer that it means something like get a move on, but why exactly? It means exactly that, Stop sitting there with your finger stuck up your a** and get some work done I see. Finger stuck up your donkey... though why you put the asterisks in there I don't quite comprehend. But, okay, I think I know enough now. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:00 pm +0200 Francis Segond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Greetings BatPeople, Friday, June 24, 2005, 9:49:44 AM, Tony wrote: T --On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:44 pm +0200 Krzysztof Kudlacik T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! ... on and on ... T I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic T editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop T but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my T photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I T already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from T within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then T without having to have two programs open. Since you (rhetorical you .. no one specific) seem to be on wild wish tangents, why not incorporate everything into a new OS so we wont even need windoze anymore. 8-) I usually don't get on a soapbox but ... I realize Tony was probably being facetious, but he didnt indicate such. This is an EMAIL client, not a news reader or graphics editor or controller for thermonuclear missiles. If you want those, there are dedicated products for them. This is a dedicated product for drafting, sending, receiving and sorting email. -- Cheers, \\' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.30 under Windows XP ver5.1 Build 2600 using a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB RAM with cable modem Plugins: Grisoft AVG 7.0 // BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: A little roadmap
Het was op vrijdag 24 juni 2005 om 16:15 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'A little roadmap' : Hallo Tony, You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) TB Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never TB have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis :) Hmzzz... the heat got to ya? I just bought a second-hand Apple G3/233 Somehow Mac OS feels more secure than Bat OS hehehe:rofl2: -- regards, Cees Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.30 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
- HTML editor improvements Will that incorporate a switch to a graphics library (GDI+) that supports decent scaling for pictures? -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 3.5.28 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
This is an EMAIL client, not a news reader That said, with the help of a small plugin TB does quite a good job of being a newsreader. I for one like to use TB for these quite similar messaging tasks. Further I use TB for collecting my RSS subscriptions too; another messaging task. Don't misunderstand; I'm not suggesting for one moment that TB should spend time developing built-in NNTP or RSS functionality this is the sort of thing plugins are for, but just because you choose to work with multiple apps open doesn't mean that we all have to. Besides, I think Tony's on a winner; being able to author and mail my home movies in one app sounds like a great idea! :gdr: -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. Children seldom misquote you. (In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said.) pgpwHHEkfiGth.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 9:26 am -0400 Wolffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a dedicated product for drafting, sending, receiving and sorting email. Exactly, without doubt, 100% exactly what I said. It's an email client, not a bloody news reader. I realize Tony was probably being facetious, but he didnt indicate such. I thought it was pretty obvious without the need for indication :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT speed was A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 3:28 pm +0200 Cees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought a second-hand Apple G3/233 Somehow Mac OS feels more secure than Bat OS Beat ya, mine a G3/500 :) What's the comparison between Mac speed and PC speed? This only seems marginally slower than my 2.4 P4. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: IMAP proposal: Away Mode
Hi Allie, For one, I may not even notice that I erase the cache. For example, I often want to compress the files of my local mailbase to save time when synchronizing with my laptop. AM How will that save time? What synchronizing are you referring to? Copying the cache files from my home machine onto the laptop via Windows Offline Folder. This is usually done by WLAN and thus not very fast, therefore I have considerable interest in keeping the files as small as possible. AM Urmph! All I read are bad testimonials about the Maintenance center. AM When I right click a folder and select compress. All my messages don't AM disappear. I have selected the option compress folders on exit. On every exit a window comes up with a progress bar doing something on the folders, yet the folder files don't shrink at all. The same is true when selecting Compress from the context menu as you suggest. AM Additionally, I'd suggest not to compress unless you're connected with AM the IMAP server. Your cache reflects what's on the server. When you AM compress locally, you're basically compressing what's on the server, AM i.e., deleting messages flagged for deletion. If you do so while AM disconnected, it will not work and just lead to buggy behaviour like AM your entire cache being wiped. You're obviously right, because that's exactly what happens. But to my understanding it shouldn't: Why can my commands (deleteDeleted, deleteDuplicates, compress) not be executed on the cache while disconnected and be queued for execution on the server as soon as the machine is re-connected? Besides, even if connected, every time I run a compress I have to again sync my whole mailbase afterwards. That's no fun either. Second, even if I do nothing that could endanger the cache, I freuqently end up with not being able to view messages anyway. AM .. and you're sure that these messages you cannot view are messages you AM had viewed while connected. Yes: Sometimes I see a message coming in, read it and think uh, I'm going to reply to this one right after I took my seat on the train. I leave the house, enter the train, power up the laptop and - No message loaded. AM In TB!, the cache isn't deleted unless you do so the right way or AM through using a buggy maintenance center while disconnected. Can I DeleteDeleted somewhere else than in Maintenance? AM At the moment you can use it, but only for viewing. No, not only that: I can also write and reply. If I try to move a mail between folders, it seems to work but there will be a hanging task in the CC when reconnected later. AM AFAIK, TB! doesn't support disconnect mode operations that are AM later propagated on the server when you next connect. RIT can AM correct me on this if I'm wrong. Exactly. And I'm proposing adding this, while being on the matter. :-) AM Open 'Manage IMAP folders'. What synchronisation mode option is AM selected for your IMAP mailboxes? The list says All messages, the dropdown-box calls it Full messages. AM One wonders whether or not the full synchronisation actually runs AM to completion. You seem to be assuming that the cache has been AM built and then you lose it afterwards. I'm wondering if the cache AM was not fully built in the first place. I'm using v3.02 (productive), where the bug about the non-closing CC doesn't take place. The CC closes, and the log-line (status line of TheBat main window) states something like IMAP connection finished. AM You need to try Mulberry and see what a full sync is like. I know, I have. It is what I need. I'm accustomed to polling since I started FidoNet. POP3 worked in this mode as well, and I see no benefit from another mode. I do not like to rely on an open connection, I want to have needed data locally and just sync it on demand. I only use IMAP instead of POP3 because I can have seperate folders there. AM Did the full synchronisation operation fully complete before you undock? AM TB!'s disconnecting from the server doesn't mean that it has happened AM either. TB! tends to disconnect anyway for various reasons, some of them AM inexplicable to me. This hasn't happened with v3.02 too much. After sync-ing the home machine with the Server I can immediatly view any message. (Well, not always, but that's another issue.) When I close and reopen TheBat, it can happen that some messages I had viewed in disconnected mode not thirty seconds earlier show up as no message loaded. The same, of course, can happen on my laptop. AM Anyway, you're stretching the abilities and limits of IMAP with what AM you're doing. In my experience, TB!'s IMAP isn't robust enough for that AM sort of stuff. You're bound to run into trouble unless you're really AM careful, forgiving, and have a little know how. Tell me about it. But wouldn't this be an oportunity to change that, instead of re-implementing it wrong again? (First time being the POP-format unsuited for IMAP.) -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL
Re[5]: IMAP proposal: Away Mode
On Friday, June 24, 2005, at 09:16 AM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Copying the cache files from my home machine onto the laptop via Windows Offline Folder. This is usually done by WLAN and thus not very fast, therefore I have considerable interest in keeping the files as small as possible. Interesting what you do there. Isn't the laptop connectable to the Internet? Why don't you connect to the server and do the synchronisation? I'm wondering if the cache files have the appropriate names. You're doing something there that's pretty unusual for any IMAP user. The essence of IMAP is not having to do what you're doing. You can have the same thing happening on multiple machines without having to copy from one to the other. Anyway, you can enjoy yourself with it. You're obviously right, because that's exactly what happens. But to my understanding it shouldn't: Why can my commands (deleteDeleted, deleteDuplicates, compress) not be executed on the cache while disconnected and be queued for execution on the server as soon as the machine is re-connected? I was hoping I could assist, but I see that I'm not. Can I DeleteDeleted somewhere else than in Maintenance? Deleting deleted is the same as compressing/expunging. I'm using v3.02 (productive), where the bug about the non-closing CC doesn't take place. The CC closes, and the log-line (status line of TheBat main window) states something like IMAP connection finished. That's a pretty early version there. TB!'s IMAP has undergone a lot of changes since. I actually am using it now, when I just didn't use it then. I'm accustomed to polling since I started FidoNet. POP3 worked in this mode as well, and I see no benefit from another mode. I do not like to rely on an open connection, I want to have needed data locally and just sync it on demand. I only use IMAP instead of POP3 because I can have seperate folders there. IMO, you shouldn't be using IMAP. IMAP is about relying on an open connection. The disconnect mode should be for exceptional circumstances and not a routine. Routine disconnect operations are best dealt with using POP3. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.30 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm =-=-= ...People are always available for work in the past tense. Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Gmail
Dear Tony, -- Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2005, 20:46:15: Can you connect to the main site or is it just that you can't login? I can log in but then I get a blank page with nothing at all loaded and in the status bar at the bottom it says something like Error on Page. In your msg mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on June 23. you say that you stopped using gMail long time ago. I'm not sure, but wasn't there an update. And as you didn't us your account for 'decades' probably you need to reactivate it or something like that. Or perhaps it went corrupt after an update. In this case I would contact the gMail Help desk. -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Tony, On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 3:49:44 PM Tony [TB] wrote: TB --On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:44 pm +0200 Krzysztof Kudlacik TB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! NNTP! ... on and on ... TB I'd like to add something to the wish list if I may, photo and graphic TB editing. I know it will take quite a while to get TB! as good as Photoshop TB but it would be nice not to have to open a separate program just to edit my TB photo's... Oh and video editing, Adobe Premiere is so expensive and I TB already own TB so being able to grab, edit and author my own DVD's from TB within TB would be great. I could email them directly to my family then TB without having to have two programs open. *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own LISP-code for (X)Emacs, the best OS with the worst text editor built-in ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) How does a gay man spell relief? - N O A I D S Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On 24/06/2005 17:09 +0200 Peter wrote: *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak their messages. Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Apple no fruit ;)
Het was op vrijdag 24 juni 2005 om 17:01 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'OT speed was A little roadmap' : Hallo TonyOffTopic, I just bought a second-hand Apple G3/233 Somehow Mac OS feels more secure than Bat OS TB Beat ya, mine a G3/500 :) gri TB What's the comparison between Mac speed and PC speed? This only seems TB marginally slower than my 2.4 P4. exactly why Apple is way superior over pc's. Always has been, and probably always will be. I've been wanting an Apple for years... next to my pc of course. The same thing that goes for Unix (as an OS) also goes for Apple: it's way superior to any pc equivalent, but not too many people have/use it. Hence: sometimes hard to get, more expensive and less software than for the pc. But I'm a volunteer for a foundation that helps people relocating pets in the sad cases that that has to be done (death of owner, allergy, you name it...). A previous co-worker, a graphic designer no longer works for us, so I volunteered to do the next news-letter. Which is made using QuarkXpress. And most printing-offices use a Mac. Oh, I'm the webmaster, and graphic design has been a hobby for me for years! -- regards, Cees Zen Debate: What is the sound of one Rush shutting up? ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.30 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Clive! On Friday, June 24, 2005, 10:31 AM, you wrote: *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak their messages. Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: How to make a MUA unusable (was: A little roadmap)
Hello Clive, On Friday, June 24, 2005 at 5:31:56 PM Clive [CT] wrote: CT --On 24/06/2005 17:09 +0200 Peter wrote: *pah* go playing somewhere else! If you want an all-in-one MTA that's capable of photo editing and some more and behaves like an OS: write your own CT No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in CT TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak CT their messages. *hmmm* Are you looking for IncrediMail? A really incredible superfluous MUA ;-) CT Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the CT message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Don't know IncrediMail with all it's facets, but I guess that's not implemented yet ... File a wish to them ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Rape?! No, let's call it Assault with a friendly weapon Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: How to make a MUA unusable (was: A little roadmap)
--On 24/06/2005 17:39 +0200 Peter wrote: Don't know IncrediMail with all it's facets, but I guess that's not implemented yet ... File a wish to them ;-) Surely Ritlabs can produce a better programme than Incredimail. After all, in just one weekend 9val managed to incorporate those picture things - and implement a rudimentary chat feature. All of these things are much, much more important than core functionality. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hi All, The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] IMAP : optimizations on new message arrival [-] IMAP : progress bar index out of range on purge/compress [-] IMAP : possibility to purge [-] NFS: (#0004809) memory leaks using hotkey only filters [-] NFS: (#0004808) %FolderName macro didn't worked [-] NFS: IMAP folder names weren't correctly displayed in Sorting Office [-] VF : Watch Folder after start has only thread root [-] VF : (#0004736) attachment=based quick search was wrong [*] Other : HTML clipboard format support in HTML editor [-] Other : Major changes in charsets finished [-] Other : Cascading AVs [-] Other : (#0002535) Possibility of definition/showing the messages of present day [-] Other : (#0004651) Undo/Redo function glitch in NFS [-] Other : cascading AVs possible fix [-] Other : (#0004801) Folder tree didn't used font styles of folder group [-] Other : (#0004799) View source didn't save position [-] Other : Interface localisation issues [-] Other : Valid S/MIME RootCA certificates are showing up with a question mark [-] Other : (#0004802) Windows Server 2003 is recognized as Windows NT Clone 5.2 by %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME macro [-] Other : (#0004612) Connection Center Opens in Background when gettingnew messages from account selected from drop-down menu on the toolbar Hope after your testing that version will replace current public version. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Tony, Friday, June 24, 2005, 4:15:16 PM, you wrote: TB Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never TB have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis I sincerely hope we will get all of this as a free upgrade!?! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.5.30 MyMacros 1.11 Universal Macro eXtender 2.4.1185 Summer edition beta zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 11:36:50) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
On 6/24/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ [-] Other : (#0004612) Connection Center Opens in Background when gettingnew messages from account selected from drop-down menu on the toolbar Works as expected now - opening in foreground. Issue closed. Thanks. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello Avi, Friday, June 24, 2005, 7:02:31 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): On 6/24/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] Other : (#0004612) Connection Center Opens in Background when getting new messages from account selected from drop-down menu on the toolbar Works as expected now - opening in foreground. Issue closed. Thanks. Amen for that! Avi, now you will have to start a campaign to fix another bug. :) -- Best regards, Costas Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
9Val, So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) Good to see your smiling face. We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by your responses versions will be named releases. Good idea. Currently main directions of TB! development are: - IMAP - Unicode support - HTML editor improvements - Customization - Bug-fixes I noticed the responses so far reflect not too much complaining, and some joking around. It sounds like the list mostly approves. Worthy goals all, I think, including html editor improvements. And good allocation of resources if you have several people to give each task. I don't need unicode, but I know that a lot of people do. This list will bring TB to being a very fine program if given the time it really needs. It would be nice to see things like nntp in TB. But I know how long these things take. I am already an old man. I don't want to wait years for TB to be as good as Agent is with newsgroups. And, I don't think there is any point in doing it if you aren't going to do it right. Forte says they got to the current release version of Agent in 9 years. Maybe RIT could do it in 8. My suggestion for long term goals would be to really focus on coming up with excellent new ideas that nobody else is doing. The world already has a good nntp client, there are several email clients that have added calendaring/scheduling in the past year or two. Me Too has limited benefit as a development strategy, although a certain amount of it is necessary. The mail ticker was a great new idea. More of that kind of thing would be the wisest direction to go. I think. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
On 6/24/05, Costas Papadopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen for that! Avi, now you will have to start a campaign to fix another bug. :) That would be the OTFE Message Finder - slow search - bug. But before I can do anything, I'll have to regain access to bt. I just tried to log in and all I got was: Your account may be disabled or blocked or the username/password you entered is incorrect. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
9Val, Impressive list. Hi All, The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] IMAP : optimizations on new message arrival [-] IMAP : progress bar index out of range on purge/compress [-] IMAP : possibility to purge [-] NFS: (#0004809) memory leaks using hotkey only filters [-] NFS: (#0004808) %FolderName macro didn't worked [-] NFS: IMAP folder names weren't correctly displayed in Sorting Office [-] VF : Watch Folder after start has only thread root [-] VF : (#0004736) attachment=based quick search was wrong [*] Other : HTML clipboard format support in HTML editor [-] Other : Major changes in charsets finished [-] Other : Cascading AVs [-] Other : (#0002535) Possibility of definition/showing the messages of present day [-] Other : (#0004651) Undo/Redo function glitch in NFS [-] Other : cascading AVs possible fix [-] Other : (#0004801) Folder tree didn't used font styles of folder group [-] Other : (#0004799) View source didn't save position [-] Other : Interface localisation issues [-] Other : Valid S/MIME RootCA certificates are showing up with a question mark [-] Other : (#0004802) Windows Server 2003 is recognized as Windows NT Clone 5.2 by %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME macro [-] Other : (#0004612) Connection Center Opens in Background when gettingnew messages from account selected from drop-down menu on the toolbar Hope after your testing that version will replace current public version. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello 9Val, On Friday, June 24, 2005 you wrote: Seems to be working well. I can see the old convention of naming is back, so after 3.5.30 we have 3.5.0.31 in order to get to 3.5.1. This will of course cause misunderstandings since 3.5.1 will be newer then 3.5.30 :/. My opinion: go for 3.6. [*] Other : HTML clipboard format support in HTML editor [-] Other : Major changes in charsets finished Would you elaborate on these? -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.5.0.31 under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - getting multiple copies of same folder in tree
On Friday, June 24, 2005, 4:55:19 AM, 9Val wrote: Try to delete Account.imf file in account directory. I don't know what file you are referring to. I have searched the following combinations and not found anything which comes close account.imf account.* *.imf *.inf fastmail.* (fastmail is the name of the account) -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.30 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Login to download newest beta
I have tried to login to my TB beta account... I forgot the pw, so I changed it. But it does not accept my new password. Tried twice :( No Caps Lock :( Could you post the direct link to the v3.5.31? -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - getting multiple copies of same folder in tree
On Thursday, June 23, 2005, 9:53:44 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Have you tried opening the 'Manage IMAP folders' panel and hitting the 'reset folders' option, followed by closing it? Just tried this again. RESULT: another set of the duplicates -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.30 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello 9Val, Friday, June 24, 2005, 4:51:28 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: ... [-] Other : (#0004802) Windows Server 2003 is recognized as Windows NT Clone 5.2 by %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME macro Almost it comes up as 'Windows 2003' at least that is an improvement. ... Hope after your testing that version will replace current public version. Good when you do the MSI can you. 1) Put back in the SPAM add in. 2) Have the ability to choose what Languages you want in the pro version. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 3.5.0.31 On Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition Build 3790 (Service Pack 1) Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Gmail
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 6:06 pm +0200 Eddie Castelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your msg mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on June 23. you say that you stopped using gMail long time ago. I'm not sure, but wasn't there an update. And as you didn't us your account for 'decades' probably you need to reactivate it or something like that. Or perhaps it went corrupt after an update. In this case I would contact the gMail Help desk. This well OT so this'll be my last... Read my posts and you'll see that there is nothing wrong with my Gmail account, I just can't access it with my Windows machine. It's a Windows setting somewhere because I can access it perfectly fine from this iMac. It's happened a few times before but I can't remember what I did to fix it. I'm not even bothering to find out what the problem is as I don't use the web interface, I collect anything from Gmail via POP. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 4:31 pm +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Tony's right. We need the ability to display movie images of posters in TB, plus the ability to attach sound files so that we can hear them speak their messages. Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Super idea, all video email. No typing, no spelling mistakes, no need for a keyboard. I just thought of a better idea, how about a small handheld device that we can talk directly into if we want to talk to each other. Maybe we could each have our own personal identification, a number or something like that so that a bell rings when someone want's to talk to us... Wow, I think I might patent that idea before anyone else thinks of it, it sounds great :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Login to download newest beta
On 6-24-2005 12:31 PM, Vili wrote this message after talking to me on the radio: I have tried to login to my TB beta account... I forgot the pw, so I changed it. But it does not accept my new password. Tried twice :( No Caps Lock :( Could you post the direct link to the v3.5.31? Here is the direct do download 3.5.31 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb35031.rar -- Best Regards, Michael Hurt me! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 10:38 am -0500 Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! I'd rather not have that given how hot it's been lately :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Bonjour 9Val, Source viewer still does not work correctly (end of lines) under Win 9X and ME ! It should be fixed before making this version public. Kind regards -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 4:31 pm +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and a little animated globe in the corner of the message window that gradually zooms in to the poster's location. Most of us have that already, you can get it here... http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/ Wayhay! I just learnt how to CP with this Mac :) Note to Mods, I have tried to get this onto TBOT but they won't let me... -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Tony! On Friday, June 24, 2005, 11:56 AM, you wrote: Everyone seems to be forgetting to include Smell-A-Vision here, too! I'd rather not have that given how hot it's been lately :) Okay, it could be an option, not default? ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 6:51 pm +0300 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] IMAP : optimizations on new message arrival [-] IMAP : progress bar index out of range on purge/compress [-] IMAP : possibility to purge :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Mark, A reminder of what Mark Partous on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 17:57:29 GMT +0200 I sincerely hope we will get all of this as a free upgrade!?! :-) Of course, as long as it remains in the V3.x.x cycle. I'd expect to pay a small upgrade fee for v4 though :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpeei64HiBvN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Gleason, A reminder of what Gleason Pace on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 09:11:25 GMT -0700 I noticed the responses so far reflect not too much complaining, and some joking around. It sounds like the list mostly approves. No, it sounds mostly like Deja Moo. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgp46Ne3852KQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Login to download newest beta
On 6-24-2005 12:31 PM, Vili wrote this message after talking to me on the radio: I have tried to login to my TB beta account... I forgot the pw, so I changed it. But it does not accept my new password. Tried twice :( No Caps Lock :( Could you post the direct link to the v3.5.31? Here is the direct do download 3.5.31 Thank you, Michael!!! As I saw, other people have problem to login, also... -- Vili http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb35031.rar -- Best Regards, Michael Hurt me! Csatolt fájl Csatolás mentése Csatolás szöveges megjelenítése Név: signature.asc Típus: application/pgp-signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello Krzysztof, A reminder of what Krzysztof Trybowski on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 18:29:30 GMT +0200 My opinion: go for 3.6. Or 3.5.31 -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgp2YFMhidsvg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello Krzysztof, [*] Other : HTML clipboard format support in HTML editor [-] Other : Major changes in charsets finished KT Would you elaborate on these? 1. HTML editor now supports inserting from browsers and other programs which use HTML as clipboard format 2. As I wrote, one of the highest priorities is to fully support Unicode. That needs a lot of changes and a little bit modified architecture. So... This build already uses new subsystem, which has all the previous functionality, but we need test of it both in sending and viewing messages in different charsets. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello 9Val! On Friday, June 24, 2005, 10:51 AM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Up and running here. ... [-] Other : (#0004799) View source didn't save position Confirm fixed. [-] Other : (#0004612) Connection Center Opens in Background when gettingnew messages from account selected from drop-down menu on the toolbar Confirm fixed. Thanks for all the rest of the fixes, too. I am using this version normally and have encountered no problems. And, welcome back, 9Val! Nice to see your Roguemoticon here once more. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.0.31 Pro (OTFE not installed) POP3 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No Message Loaded. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.5.1 Comment: The Boom Clan iQA/AwUBQrxBDdanuJ+T+uXWEQI9GQCeOmSkaCeoj5/Ks1PxVhxfcgGkGNoAn3NF PQUy1GYjzYry5uC0EQAREe4t =Exvi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - getting multiple copies of same folder in tree
--On Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:53 PM -0500 Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I usually create a new subfolder, move the messages to the new subfolder and then delete the original. It would seem that my method is the one that's more tedious but less trouble free. Now I have really made a mess. I made new folders, moved a few messages, it seemed pretty slow, so I exited TB!, and moved all the messages in Mulberry. Working well, so once I emptied the offending folders, I went ahead and deleted them. Now, I cannot open TB!. I get an AV right a way, apparently because the folder selected when I last left TB! is now a deleted folder. I can't seem to watch the AV pane long enough to get a number because I get the windows pane asking if I want to report the failure to MS. Have rebooted, and upgraded to .31, but am getting nowhere. At a loss what to do next. (assuming Mulberry will thread ok) -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
[*] Other : HTML clipboard format support in HTML editor [-] Other : Major changes in charsets finished KT Would you elaborate on these? 1. HTML editor now supports inserting from browsers and other programs which use HTML as clipboard format I dont know, by my opinion, it does not work. I opened the HTML editor, went to Ritlabs site, copied that Save your time... etc with the picture paragraph to the clipboard, tried to insert to the HTML editor, no luck. Also, an empty TMemo component appeared above my icons. . I tried other pages with picture, no luck... Try it. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 12:01:12 GMT -0500 Okay, it could be an option, not default? ;) And you said I was good at funny comments :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpCv44LcSLBD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Login to download newest beta
On 6-24-2005 1:15 PM, Vili wrote this message after talking to me on the radio: Thank you, Michael!!! As I saw, other people have problem to login, also... You're welcome Vili.I didn't have any problem logging in. -- Best Regards, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello 9Val! On Friday, June 24, 2005, 12:20 PM, you wrote: As I wrote, one of the highest priorities is to fully support Unicode. That needs a lot of changes and a little bit modified architecture. So... This build already uses new subsystem, which has all the previous functionality, but we need test of it both in sending and viewing messages in different charsets. Do you mean the various language charsets? At first, I thought you meant fonts. So I was playing around with Lucida Console, and FixedSys, and others, besides Courier and Courier New. But then, I thought, if he'd *meant* fonts, he'd have *said* fonts! Anyway, English is doing just fine here. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.0.31 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hi 9Val! [-] Other : Valid S/MIME RootCA certificates are showing up with a question mark Confirm fix. Thanx! :-) [-] Other : (#0004802) Windows Server 2003 is recognized as Windows NT Clone 5.2 by %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME macro Confirm fix. Thanx! :-) [-] Other : (#0004612) Connection Center Opens in Background when gettingnew messages from account selected from drop-down menu on the toolbar Confirm fix. Thanx! :-) Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5.0.31 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 24 June 2005 at 18:51:28 GMT +0300 [-] IMAP : possibility to purge Possible but highly improbable. Deleted a load of messages from my TBBETA folder and browsed deleted messages. www.theboomclan.com/before.png Switched folders a few times, read a few, sent a few and then returned to TBBETA folder and browsed deleted messages. www.theboomclan.com/after.png Oh dear, what a shame never mind. They was supposed to be permanently deleted the instant I switched folders and The Bat should not have even displayed the new folders contents let alone let me read, compose and send anything until it had completed my initial instruction to permanently delete them upon switching folders. I have the option checked to compress when switching folders, I was lead to believe this means to permanently delete messages marked for deletion. TB! should hang at that point and not allow *ANY* other operation, no folder to open, no message list to be displayed, no messages to be read, composed or sent. It should do nothing until it has made contact with the server and permanently deleted marked messages. Then and only then should it continue to open and display the next chosen folders contents and reestablish user interaction. If you could see your way clear to implementing this in 3.5.32 I'd then and only then have the confidence to use TB again and I'd be eternally grateful... Well maybe not eternally but for a little while anyway :) Also, why are some of them marked as unread? They was all read and marked as such when I deleted them. I also notice one or two of my settings had changed, PGP/MIME for instance, minor details like that I can live with though. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpMOfcjEQjgW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 6:51 pm +0300 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] IMAP : optimizations on new message arrival Not fixed, I still get No Message Loaded and have to perform all sorts of contortions to get them to load, even previously loaded and read messages. [-] IMAP : progress bar index out of range on purge/compress I have no idea what that is. [-] IMAP : possibility to purge Not fixed, see my previous. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Friday, June 24, 2005, 1:04:03 PM, (Internet Time - ) you wrote: Hello Martin, MS Regards, MS Martin I don't know why, but how do you have your PGP/GPG set up to use with TB! ? You are the only one that is automatically verified. Every time I get a message from you, Martin, it has the little check mark GREEN on the right hand side of the message header area. Right next to your rogue pic. Everyone else, including myself, I have to click the box and PGP comes up with the Verification History with the good sig or bad sig. And then the little box has the green check or the red X. It is only yours that I don't have to do anything. Just curious how you have it set up. Thanks... -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.0.31 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Dear Michael, @24-Jun-2005, 13:15 -0500 (24-Jun 19:15 UK time) Michael Acklin [MA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Martin: MA I don't know why, but how do you have your PGP/GPG set up to use with MA TB! ? MA You are the only one that is automatically verified. Every time I get MA a message from you, Martin, it has the little check mark GREEN on the MA right hand side of the message header area. Right next to your rogue MA pic. (pssst - it's not PGP. It's S/MIME!) S/MIME is auto-verified. PGP is not since it requires a call to an external application, which should only ever be a manual event. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5.0.31 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpeiOpkQMnc0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hi Michael! I don't know why, but how do you have your PGP/GPG set up to use with TB! ? You are the only one that is automatically verified. Every time I get a message from you, Martin, it has the little check mark GREEN on the right hand side of the message header area. Right next to your rogue pic. Everyone else, including myself, I have to click the box and PGP comes up with the Verification History with the good sig or bad sig. And then the little box has the green check or the red X. It is only yours that I don't have to do anything. Just curious how you have it set up. Thanks... That's because I don't use PGP for automatic signing. I use S/MIME. These signatures can be verified by TB when checking them against the root certificates from the address book. PGP keys are not being verified automaticly, you have to do this yourself by clicking on them. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5.0.31 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Hi 9Val, Friday, June 24, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available I rightclicked the systray icon check mail for all, TB checked it all and after the CC closed -which was in foreground- I got: Access violation at address 512BFC4D. Read of address 512BFC4D. TB was not impressed at all and worked on, so I could write this mail :) -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
b.31 IMAP message count
b31 will not display the correct unread message count even after a restart - and it seems considerably slower at fetching messages from the server. I gave up waiting for my TBBETA folder to show any messages after five minutes. Back to b30. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.5.30 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Hello Hendrik Oesterlin everyone else, on 24-Jun-2005 at 01:13 you (Hendrik Oesterlin) wrote: You could also just highlighting the lines you will re-flow and press Alt+L This will work even if there is no empty line between the paragraphs. Too much work. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The struggle for knowledge has a pleasure in it like that of wrestling with a fine woman. -- Lord Halifax Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 24-Jun-2005 at 12:06 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: ASK How do you keep line feed and line feed apart once the message is sent? ASK You can't do that. A linefeed is a linefeed, especially in a plain text ASK message. Yes - it says go to next line. It does not say insert empty line here. So once more, I don't get what the problem is supposed to be. The problem is not the go to next line, but the auto formatting function, which will kill a single linefeed, thus there'll be no go to next line between lines of text. And if anyone chooses to reflow the text later on, a single LF will be lost for the same reason. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) There is no way of avoiding the advance of years except by dying, and there is no great fun in that. -- Isaac Asimov Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Friday, June 24, 2005, 1:30:00 PM, (Internet Time - ) you wrote: Hello Martin, MS That's because I don't use PGP for automatic signing. I use S/MIME. These MS signatures can be verified by TB when checking them against the root MS certificates from the address book. MS PGP keys are not being verified automaticly, you have to do this yourself MS by clicking on them. MS Regards, MS Martin Ah, ok got it now. I never turned ont he S/Mime so that is why. Thanks for your help... -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.0.31 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Friday, June 24, 2005, 1:29:05 PM, (Internet Time - ) you wrote: Hello Marck, MDP (pssst - it's not PGP. It's S/MIME!) S/MIME is auto-verified. PGP is MDP not since it requires a call to an external application, which should MDP only ever be a manual event. Got it, thanks Marck. Didn't know that until he mentioned that in the reply. Never used S/MIME before, so I learn something everyday. :) -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.0.31 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Hello Francis Segond everyone else, on 24-Jun-2005 at 08:52 you (Francis Segond) wrote: Nope! Why would you want to reflow manually your text while using auto-format which does this for you? Once again, I'm just talking about a feature (hard vs soft-return) encountered in most editors. But it will be *gone* once you sent the message! ...and the next reflow of *your* message (when it is included as quotation) will kill your single LF in a paragraph. Try it on the above paragraph. Now, no one needs to reflow all quotes, but sometimes they get all messed up, and I'm amongst the people out there that care about the look of the quoted part, so I do reflow them. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 24-Jun-2005 at 12:44 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: Yes, I'm with you absolutly. This in fact is my basic complaint with MicroEd, not being able to handle a single Enter as an end this paragraph and start a new line as in every other editor I know of. Nonsense! Turn off auto-formatting and you have what you want. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Shirley's Law: Most people deserve each other. Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 1:52 PM +0300 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, there are a lot fixes. But current build is not yet ready for public, do you want to start another rush session? sure, why not? ;) it would give an excuse for a new round of bash all those bums in Moldavia. -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Is ritlabs.com down currently? I can't seem to connect. With peace, Henry Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: A little roadmap
--On Friday, June 24, 2005 2:15 PM + Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean TheBat as a new operating system? Great, I wanted to switch to Linux, but I'll wait then! ;-) Brilliant idea. Reformat, install just The Bat and it does it all, never have to buy another software application again, great idea Francis :) I've been thinking of taking up homebrewing, maybe it can help with that too! -- Dwight A Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67203 316/303-1411 fax: 316/265-7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
