Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Gleason, TB is a small marvel as it stands. Although I haven't written a line of code in the last 10 years, I was in s/w development for over 27 and I fully agree with your statement. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Alexander, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Thursday, June 30, 2005, 6:00:01 AM. I believe you wrote: ASK And you have maintained projects of similar complexity, I assume? Yes, amongst other apps, I wrote and supported an application which probably did pension transfer process for probably the 8 biggest pensions holders in this country.. so, yes I did do something of similar complexity. Its probably still in use.. Dunno though I left. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: deete in thread
Hi Stuart, AS Here, e.g. I choose message C1 and want to delete C1, D1, D2 and D3 in AS one go while leaving the rest of the messages. SC What if you hold the shift key down while selecting the first and last SC messages you want to delete and then select delete. That works as long as the thread tree has been fully expanded and thus every single message is visible. If there is a sub-tree unexpanded (one message with the little + on the left) then only the shown message of the sub-tree is deleted, the rest of them are not. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpoNk5nmyKbz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Charlene, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 9:53:21 PM, you wrote: The English called it clairet Claret, actually. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.5.32 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Upgrading (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)
Manuel Breitfeld wrote: Since you are a IMAP user I would strongly recommend to update to the newest beta version. Really, you *must* do this. ;-) Okay, so I think I have my problem fixed. What is the latest stable, safe version I should install to start testing again? I see some worrisome posts about the two latest versions -- Keith Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Charlene, On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CF The English called it clairet I've only ever heard it called claret in English, never even heard of the version with i in it but that is the UK version and I suppose other countries can spell it differently. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5.0.31 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hi Gleason, In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ASK Are you a programmer? Yes. And you have maintained projects of similar complexity, I assume? GP Good point. Look around at the other candidates. See how they mostly GP have approximately 10 year development histories. See how they GP all are at one level of disarray or another. What is it about writing GP email clients that is so fiendishly difficult? GP I have written a couple of programs that interact with http servers, GP so I have some idea. Yes, I think forbearance is justified. GP TB is a small marvel as it stands. It's not their lack of programming skill that worries most of us, I think that WE all recognize them good programming skills, it's the quality or lack of testing. Imagine that, instead of doing an email client they were doing Banking application... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Call me Ishmael. I won't ANSWER, but... Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Richard! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:45 AM, you wrote: CF The English called it clairet I've only ever heard it called claret in English, never even heard of the version with i in it but that is the UK version and I suppose other countries can spell it differently. I've only seen it spelled claret, also. Nor until Charlene's post ever encountered it spelled clairet. In his letters, England's famous 19th century poet John Keats wrote of how much he enjoyed claret. However, in the days when I sometimes accompanied my late husband to a wine shop (here in the U.S.), I never saw claret offered, but a number of varieties termed rosé. My own favorite wine is the German white wine termed Rhine. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Upgrading (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)
On Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 1:36:58 AM [GMT -0500], Keith Russell wrote: Okay, so I think I have my problem fixed. What is the latest stable, safe version I should install to start testing again? I see some worrisome posts about the two latest versions I can't think of a build that doesn't have worrisome posts associated with it. Just download the latest beta from the beta page and try it. IMAP fixes have been frequent these last three or so builds. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.33 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Useless Invention: Solar powered flashlight. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Autoreply filter - possible bug?
Don't know if this is a bug or not as I've never used an autoreply filter before. I created a filter that creates and sends an automatic reply triggered when there is certain text in the subject. I tested it and it worked great however the sent message is not in my sent folder. Is this normal behaviour? I would have expected a copy to be placed in the sent folder. Thanks for your help. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v3.5.33 Pro on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Mary, However, in the days when I sometimes accompanied my late husband to a wine shop (here in the U.S.), I never saw claret offered, but a number of varieties termed rosé. In Spain, where we don't understand about wines at all, we make a difference between 'clarete' (claret) and 'rosado' (rosé): ,- [ ] | Clarete wine is usually treated as Rose wine, but this is a big error. | The main difference between them is the elaboration process. Rose wine | is done by fermenting must without the skin of the grapes, and the | Clarete wine is elaborated including the peel of the grapes. People | makes Clarete wine when they want to make enough rose wines but they | don't have enough red grapes. | | In tasting, the difference is the sensation of bindness. So, putting | it quite simply, the Clarete wine is a Low colored red wine and a | Rose wine is a High colored white wine. `- Cheers! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello MAU! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 7:43 AM, you wrote: In tasting, the difference is the sensation of bindness. So, putting | it quite simply, the Clarete wine is a Low colored red wine and a | Rose wine is a High colored white wine. Thank you so very much for telling about this distinction. I am quite sure now that I have never tasted claret. P.S. Could you explain to me what is meant by bindness ? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
At 19:11 [GMT+0200] on Wednesday June 29 (actual time - 1:11am on Thursday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. Are you a programmer? I'm not an international-level cricketer or footballer or tennis player, but that doesn't stop me passing informed comment on them. -- cheers, mic A good marriage is like a casserole: only those involved actually know what goes into it. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hallo Mary, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:49:45 -0500GMT (30-6-2005, 14:49 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MB Thank you so very much for telling about this distinction. I am quite MB sure now that I have never tasted claret. MB P.S. Could you explain to me what is meant by bindness ? moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mary. ' This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Wizard's Guild Parking Only: Violators will be Toad. The Bat! 3.5.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgprFxosshSxO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Roelof! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 8:01 AM, you wrote: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mary. My apologies. I myself will try to do better in the future. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
--On Thursday, June 30, 2005 15:01:38 +0200 Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't feel singled out Mary. Mary got trouted, Mary got trouted, ner ner ner ner ner :) -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Tony! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 8:43 AM, you wrote: Please don't feel singled out Mary. Mary got trouted, Mary got trouted, ner ner ner ner ner :) See you on TBOT! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Gleason Pace everyone else, on 30-Jun-2005 at 07:16 you (Gleason Pace) wrote: Good point. Look around at the other candidates. See how they mostly have approximately 10 year development histories. See how they all are at one level of disarray or another. What is it about writing email clients that is so fiendishly difficult? I don't know. However, I do know that no other email client that I know of is as complex as TB (filtering system, templates, macros, etc. etc.), and we should be careful with comments about the code's complexity and the programmers ability to maintain it; such statements may be made out of frustration, or in a hurry, and thus be short-sighted. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mary's Trout [was Re: OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun]
Hello Stuart! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 9:07 AM, you wrote: Mary got trouted, Mary got trouted, ner ner ner ner ner :) Plonker! That's the funniest thing I've seen all week. Mary's trout was well deserved. But, Stuart H. and Tony B. jeering? The most unkindest cut of all! ;\ Do you not love me any more? See you in PM or on TBOT, before I get slapped again and banned. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mary's Trout [was Re: OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun]
Do you not love me any more? BIG_KISS/ :) -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. Nothing succeeds like a parrot! pgpbdvrp0RU39.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The MS Exchange bug
Zygmunt, and everybody else that is interested: I got a note from bugtraq, that Maxim solved the problem and v34 -when published- will not contain the problem. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Liz, on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:11:26 +0100GMT (30.07.2005, 08:11 +0200GMT here), you wrote: L ... What happened to your calendar? SCNR :-) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.5.33 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. W. Somerset Maugham Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bugtraq
Who used to submit bugs to BT: how do you do it EXACTLY, step by step? Please send me a detailed description, like: 1. I login at whatever.html 2. I click here... etc. So, not something like: Dude, go to Ritlabs site and you will find it :) Appreciated. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hi Clive Taylor, Thursday, June 30, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hello Charlene, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 9:53:21 PM, you wrote: The English called it clairet Claret, actually. That's right, only the French call it Clairet. That time red wine was much brighter than today, so the name was suggesting. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Alexander, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 8:58:28 AM, you wrote: However, I do know that no other email client that I know of is as complex as TB (filtering system, templates, macros, etc. etc.), and we should be careful with comments about the code's complexity and the programmers ability to maintain it; such statements may be made out of frustration, or in a hurry, and thus be short-sighted. Agreed, and speaking as a programmer who is developing enterprise level applications, writing an application is easy (relatively speaking). It's when you have to go back and add functionality that things get messy. If I had to chose the single largest stumbling block for me as a programmer it would, without a doubt, be scope creep. If you look at it, that's exactly what RITLabs and every developer who is putting out applications is dealing with. Some new functionality is needed and you have to figure out how to incorporate it in without breaking something else. Sometimes it's easy, oftentimes it's not. For the non-programmers, think of it this way. You've just built a house and love it, but the wife decides she wants a sink in the downstairs living room. If you're lucky, maybe where she wants it is just opposite the wall of the downstairs bathroom and you only have to cut a small hole to run a pipe through for the water, and the drainage will tie into the existing sink drain in the bathroom. If you're semi-lucky, she wants it on the exterior wall and you can do most of the new piping on the outside of the house. If you're unlucky, it'll be on an interior wall in which you'll have to rip out a considerable piece of to route piping. I've heard some people say that RITLabs priorities are all screwed up with regard to which bugs get fixed first. Using the previous analogy, let's say in addition to the sink, she says one of the living room pictures is hanging too low. It'll take you two minutes to fix the picture by nailing it up four inches higher, and will make her nice and happy. She still wants her sink (or in the case of a bug, she wants the dripping faucet of that sink fixed), but you're going to need a weekend to do it. I haven't always agreed with RITLabs direction on some things, but it is their product and they'll have to lie in whatever bed they make. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time. Hey.. Where'd that soapbox come from? grin -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Mary got trouted, Mary got trouted, ner ner ner ner ner :) Plonker! That's the funniest thing I've seen all week. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. A bicycle can't stand on its own because it is two-tired. pgpAWqZ9BN5mE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Leif Gregory everyone else, on 30-Jun-2005 at 17:27 you (Leif Gregory) wrote: If you're unlucky, it'll be on an interior wall in which you'll have to rip out a considerable piece of to route piping. And even then you're still lucky - because you're living in a monogamy, and the men from the neighbourhood will understand what you're going thru and bring you some beer! :-D -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Lithium (Oliver Lieb Remix) (7:01) by Paragliders from the album 'Platipus Volume Six (CD 1)' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: It worries me...
Het was op donderdag 30 juni 2005 om 17:52 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'It worries me...' : Hallo Peter, PM What happened to your calendar? SCNR :-) is that a TV-station?? -- regards, Cees Ban the bomb. Save the world for conventional warfare. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Ctrl+F shourcut in the message list
Back in 3.5.28, one of the bugs that was fixed was: [-] Ctrl+F shourcut in the message list didn't work, it should have invoked the message finder It seems that this no longer works again in 3.5.33. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.33 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bugtraq
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, at 15:53:40 [UTCGMT] (Thursday, June 30, 2005 17:53 my local time) Vili wrote: Who used to submit bugs to BT: how do you do it EXACTLY, step by step? Please send me a detailed description, like: 1. I login at whatever.html 1. Set in your favourite browser the address https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ 2. I click here... 2. Near the top of the page click Signup for a new account (assumed you have not one). 3. You will see the form like this on attached picture. 3. Enter appropriate information, click Signup button... 4. If you want to add a note and you have account, you must login to the server using Login link in top left side of the page. The rest is up to your imagination... Attachments: [1] account_form.png -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with BayesIt! 0.8.1) account_form.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The MS Exchange bug
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, at 15:51:29 [UTCGMT] (Thursday, June 30, 2005 17:51 my local time) Vili wrote: Zygmunt, and everybody else that is interested: I got a note from bugtraq, that Maxim solved the problem and v34 -when published- will not contain the problem. Thank you, I know about it because all person involved in particular bug tracking receives mail message regarding each change. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with BayesIt! 0.8.1) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bugtraq
Hello Vili! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 10:53 AM, you wrote: Who used to submit bugs to BT: how do you do it EXACTLY, step by step? Please send me a detailed description, like: 1. I login at whatever.html https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php 1) Create an account, if you don't have one. 2) Log-in 3) Choose Report Issue 4) Choose Project (from drop-down menu, e.g., The Bat) 5) Click Select Project 6) On the page then created, select category, severity, reproducibility, and profile from the respective drop-down menus 7) Select product version (e.g. 3.5.33) 8) Write a brief summary in the summary field 9) Write a clear account of the problem in the description field; attach a png if needed (scroll down to Upload) 10) Write steps to reproduce in that field 11) Write additional information in that field, if available 12) After proofreading all of the above, click Submit 13) When you see your finished page, click Monitor, if you wish to see reports of Added notes or changed status of your report by e-mail 14) Copy the URL and post the link on TBBETA, so others will be aware of the report Hope someone here on TBBETA will amend my instructions where they are inaccurate or unclear. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Peter, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Thursday, June 30, 2005, 4:52:46 PM. I believe you wrote: PM on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:11:26 +0100GMT (30.07.2005, 08:11 +0200GMT here), PM you wrote: PM What happened to your calendar? SCNR :-) I dont understand the question and what is SCNR? -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hi All, The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] Exchange: (#0002930) after a certain amount of MAPI sessions, The Bat! could no longer connect to Exchange server due to increasing usage of memory [-] IMAP: probably fixes of AVs [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work Only purpose is to test Exchange fixes. And... Now TB! doesn't need props.dll -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Cees, on Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:57:31 +0200GMT (30.06.2005, 17:57 +0200GMT here), you wrote: PM What happened to your calendar? SCNR :-) C is that a TV-station?? It looks like one, indeed! LOL Sorry, could not resist (http://www.acronymfinder.com/) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.5.33 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM 'There are two major products that come out of Berkeley; LSD and BSD Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Good day beta list members, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 5:27:52 PM, you wrote: Hi All, The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] Exchange: (#0002930) after a certain amount of MAPI sessions, The Bat! could no longer connect to Exchange server due to increasing usage of memory [-] IMAP: probably fixes of AVs [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work Only purpose is to test Exchange fixes. And... Now TB! doesn't need props.dll So can we just delete props.dll altogether? Thanks. -- Best regards, Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.5.0.31 Windows 2000 5 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Liz, on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:28:16 +0100GMT (30.07.2005, 18:28 +0200GMT here), ^^ you wrote: L In the message L mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was L apparently written on Thursday, June 30, 2005, 4:52:46 PM. I believe you wrote: PM on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:11:26 +0100GMT (30.07.2005, 08:11 +0200GMT here), PM you wrote: PM What happened to your calendar? SCNR :-) L I dont understand the question and what is SCNR? For the latter see my reply to Cees. For the first: your messages appear here as dated on July 30 instead of June. So somehow your system setting must have been moved a month ahead. Nothing of serious importance. I just stumbled over it... :-) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.5.33 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Sex is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Leif, If you're unlucky, it'll be on an interior wall in which you'll have to rip out a considerable piece of to route piping. And you forgot something. After your are done, she realises that it would be better to have a sink on each wall so a sink is always just one click away ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Peter, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Thursday, June 30, 2005, 5:40:28 PM. I believe you wrote: PM on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:28:16 +0100GMT (30.07.2005, 18:28 +0200GMT here), PM^^ PM you wrote: I bought new PC at weekend.. must have mis clicked the month.. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Chris Wilson wrote: So can we just delete props.dll altogether? Thanks. I just did and things are fine here. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.34 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm =-=-= ...For exercise, men can walk. Women talk. Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
On Thursday, June 30, 2005 @ 9:46:41 AM [-0700], Chris Wilson wrote: Only purpose is to test Exchange fixes. And... Now TB! doesn't need props.dll So can we just delete props.dll altogether? Thanks. I think so. I put .34 in the TB folder and moved props.dll out of the folder. It launched fine. -- Matt Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Icons
Hi, I have been looking for new old icons at http://thebat.orgavision.de/glyphs.html since I don't care for the v3.5 ones. I found v1, v2 and v3.5 icons - but no v3.0 icons. Are the v3.0-icons available somewhere else? -- MfG, Alto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpAJDXPuDXY2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Het was op donderdag 30 juni 2005 om 18:46 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available' : Hallo Chris, CW So can we just delete props.dll altogether? Thanks. I'm firing up battie right now without props ;) -- regards, Cees Sally: Remember! Even Jesus was a Jew -- Archie: Yeah, but only on his mothers side! ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.34 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hello 9Val! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 11:27 AM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Up and running. Smooth as silk. :) snipped list of changes Only purpose is to test Exchange fixes. Understood. So, I won't be much help, since I don't use Exchange. And... Now TB! doesn't need props.dll Much appreciated. Saves me an extra step and several seconds dealing with WinRar. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.34 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hello Chris Wilson everyone else, on 30-Jun-2005 at 18:46 you (Chris Wilson) wrote: So can we just delete props.dll altogether? Thanks. Just wait an hour or so for the early adopters to see if it wrecks havoc... then install it, and then delete the props.dll. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: Needing someone is like needing a parachute. If he isn't there the first time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again. Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The MS Exchange bug
Zygmunt, and everybody else that is interested: I got a note from bugtraq, that Maxim solved the problem and v34 -when published- will not contain the problem. Thank you, I know about it because all person involved in particular bug tracking receives mail message regarding each change. Sorry then! BUT: It still does not work at me! And at you, Zygmunt? -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bugtraq
Who used to submit bugs to BT: how do you do it EXACTLY, step by step? Please send me a detailed description, like: 1. I login at whatever.html https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php 1) Create an account, if you don't have one. 2) Log-in 3) Choose Report Issue 4) Choose Project (from drop-down menu, e.g., The Bat) 5) Click Select Project 6) On the page then created, select category, severity, reproducibility, and profile from the respective drop-down menus 7) Select product version (e.g. 3.5.33) 8) Write a brief summary in the summary field 9) Write a clear account of the problem in the description field; attach a png if needed (scroll down to Upload) 10) Write steps to reproduce in that field 11) Write additional information in that field, if available 12) After proofreading all of the above, click Submit 13) When you see your finished page, click Monitor, if you wish to see reports of Added notes or changed status of your report by e-mail 14) Copy the URL and post the link on TBBETA, so others will be aware of the report Hope someone here on TBBETA will amend my instructions where they are inaccurate or unclear. :) Thank you Mary and Zygmunt for your answers! -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Empty mail in Inbox
I knew that I wanted to write something else than bug and bug reports... I have read here about some report that TB! creates empty mails in Inbox. By my opinion they are not bugs in TB!, but real mails. I get them every day. No sender, no recipient, no subject and no body. They have these two fields, however: Return-Path: Delivered-To: Now I have PopTray, they show up there, too. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you a programmer? I'm not an international-level cricketer or footballer or tennis player, but that doesn't stop me passing informed comment on them. Or that what you think informed is. This whole discussion is just weird. I think Mic hit the nail on the head. You don't need to be a domain expert in everything to pass good judgement on it. I don't have to be a programmer (although I am) to understand that there's something wrong. It's pretty easy to look at the net result and conclude that something is flawed in the process. After all, if the process was working well, so should the end product. This isn't to trivialize the amount of working that goes into writing an app, but c'mon, we paid for it. We wouldn't expect this quality from anyone else. If my accountant consistently messed up my taxes, I wouldn't expect it to excused because the documents are hard to interpret. If my lawyer consistently wrote contracts for me that simply don't hold up in court, I wouldn't say, don't worry about it pal, it's hard, complex work. My point is, we can certainly empathize, but we shouldn't excuse. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hi Mary, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:51:08 -0500 UTC (6/30/2005, 11:51 AM -0500 UTC my time), Mary Bull wrote: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ M Up and running. Smooth as silk. :) or humming like a clam (Dilbert).. IMAP is working well here.. I am able to read email bodies as new mail arrives... so far, so good. :) -- Gary Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Hello George Mitchell everyone else, ASK on 30-Jun-2005 at 05:41 you (George Mitchell) wrote: ASK Are you a programmer? Yes. ASK And you have maintained projects of similar complexity, I assume? As part of a team I was involved in the development/maintenance of a much more complicated project. Obviously, I'm not privy to Ritlabs' internal processes and TB!'s architecture. But, from my observations of TB! releases, I'm certain their processes are flawed and I fear the program's architecture is as well. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hello 9Val, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 7:27:52 PM, you wrote: [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work Mush better. However still seeing very old very anoying bug - https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3325 -- Best regards, Viliusmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Correction on IMAP functionality
Hi ya'll, Still having major problems with email not loading bodies, 8 out of 10 times, cursor losing focus and jumping around in the message list, as new mail arrives in the INBOX.. also one case of wrong header matching with wrong body being read... . whew.. -- Regards, Gary Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hello Gary! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:05 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ M Up and running. Smooth as silk. :) or humming like a clam (Dilbert).. :))) IMAP is working well here.. I am able to read email bodies as new mail arrives... so far, so good. :) Such good news! Are you going to report *confirmed* to 9Val on 9Val [-] IMAP: probably fixes of AVs 9Val [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work Direct verbalization of pleasure from a customer/tester to the bearer of the news to the list? Sort of, to counter-balance the generalized recent barrage of rotten tomatoes and sulfur-tainted eggs here, from a number of subscribers (which is still on-going in a couple of threads) ? SCNR :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.34 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Just wait an hour or so for the early adopters to see if it wrecks havoc... then install it, and then delete the props.dll. Coward! ;) -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.34 System Specs: http://www.aimlink.name/sysspecs.htm =-=-= ...Fat person: Nutritional Overachiever Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hi Mary, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:18:38 -0500 UTC (6/30/2005, 12:18 PM -0500 UTC my time), Mary Bull wrote: humming like a clam (Dilbert).. M :))) my clam closed up !!! IMAP is working well here.. I am able to read email bodies as new mail arrives... so far, so good. :) M Such good news! Are you going to report *confirmed* to 9Val on hee, hee I wish I could :) See my last post. 9Val [-] IMAP: probably fixes of AVs 9Val [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work M Direct verbalization of pleasure from a customer/tester to the bearer M of the news to the list? I must have been drunk :rofl: It was short lived.. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
also....
Hi, I see a new thing here... after deleting several emails in my inbox, I had a -1 listed in unread message count... was it anticipating the next new email arriving? :) -- Regards, Gary Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hello Allie Martin everyone else, on 30-Jun-2005 at 19:06 you (Allie Martin) wrote: Just wait an hour or so for the early adopters to see if it wrecks havoc... then install it, and then delete the props.dll. Coward! ;) LOL!!! ...I knew someone would say that! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ What's new since 3.5.34: [-] Exchange: There could be AVs when working with Exchange What's new since 3.5.33: [-] Exchange: (#0002930) after a certain amount of MAPI sessions, The Bat! could no longer connect to Exchange server due to increasing usage of memory [-] IMAP: probably fixes of AVs [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
Hello Gary! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:25 PM, you wrote: humming like a clam (Dilbert).. M :))) my clam closed up !!! :woe: IMAP is working well here.. I am able to read email bodies as new mail arrives... so far, so good. :) M Such good news! Are you going to report *confirmed* to 9Val on hee, hee I wish I could :) See my last post. Saw it before I saw this one, but after I sent the query. :boohoo: weeping sympathetic tears 9Val [-] IMAP: probably fixes of AVs 9Val [-] IMAP: folder counters re-work M Direct verbalization of pleasure from a customer/tester to the bearer M of the news to the list? I must have been drunk :rofl: It was short lived.. Don't mention alcoholic beverages! I'm still stinking from the trout I got for being too curious in re claret. :( The above are not fixed? AVs are still occurring? Folder counters don't work? Well, I don't guess those matter much if you can't load a message, so won't nag you any further about being specific. ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.34 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The MS Exchange bug
Hello Vili, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 18:51:29, you wrote: Zygmunt, and everybody else that is interested: I got a note from bugtraq, that Maxim solved the problem and v34 -when published- will not contain the problem. But you should better use v35 since it fixes one more bug. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hello Maxim! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:32 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Just reporting in that it's up and running with no problems. What's new since 3.5.34: [-] Exchange: There could be AVs when working with Exchange Not using Exchange or IMAP, so I'm no help as a beta tester on the latest fixes. I do appreciate not needing props.dll any more. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
On 6/30/05, Maxim Masiutin wrote: What's new since 3.5.33: Can't say about Exchange or IMAP, but I installed 35 and deleted the props.dll. TB 35 seems to load significantly faster than before. And, compared to 33, I seem to have Ctrl+F back for searching directories. So far, so good. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.35 Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello tbbeta, I don't want to point my finger at Vili ;-) but do you others also get his mails not threading? At least sometimes? (Like his Thank you mail in the Bugtraq thread?) -- Martin TB! 3.5.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hello Maxim! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:32 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ I just now renamed props.dll, then closed and re-launched The Bat! It loaded so fast that I barely saw the logo splash screen. A blink of the eye, and the main window was on my monitor. I would say, less than half a second. This compares with 1 or 2 seconds, when I launched previous betas and when I earlier launched 3.5.35. I put props.dll back, and went through the comparison again. My judgment holds, though I didn't have a stop-watch to put on the launches. V. 3.5.35 loads blazingly fast! Good work!! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Martin! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:40 PM, you wrote: I don't want to point my finger at Vili ;-) but do you others also get his mails not threading? At least sometimes? (Like his Thank you mail in the Bugtraq thread?) Vili is not at home, he told me. He is, regrettably, having to communicate via his web-mail. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: also....
Hi Gary, Thursday, June 30, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hi, I see a new thing here... after deleting several emails in my inbox, I had a -1 listed in unread message count... was it anticipating the next new email arriving? :) This happens from time to time. Should be gone after closing TB and a new start up. But it will keeping on bugging you occasionally. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Martin, Martin Schuster wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): I don't want to point my finger at Vili ;-) but do you others also get his mails not threading? Yes, very very annoying!!! Reason is that the references are missing - so if you answer to such a mail, your references are not correct. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Leif, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 4:27:50 PM, you wrote: If you look at it, that's exactly what RITLabs and every developer who is putting out applications is dealing with. Some new functionality is needed and you have to figure out how to incorporate it in without breaking something else. Sometimes it's easy, oftentimes it's not. Leif, I am no programmer but I work in an industry that has to have very resilient products and the thing that is worrying me about TB development is the apparent effort being extended to add new features/functions when there are issues with the existing ones. RL would do themselves a lot of favours if they implemented a feature/function freeze at the present time and picked off all the existing bugs. Get the code base stable before implementing anything else... Once stable implement one feature at a time into the betas so you know what is breaking what... I would dearly love TB to continue and get back on track but I have already started evaluating other options (none of which appear to be as complete as TB) as a fallback position. Come on guys, we *are* behind you on this (we wouldn't be testing otherwise!) we just want some stability to the product before more changes are made... Thanks for reading -- Tony Brookes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tonybro.com Using The Bat! v3.5.28 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 11:27:52 AM, 9Val wrote: Hi All, The Bat! 3.5.34 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4857 failure to render html viewer is working correctly again. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.34 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:05:37 PM, Kevin Menard wrote: After all, if the process was working well, so should the end product. There is at least part of the rub. The product works pretty damn well. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.34 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Boris! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:10 PM, you wrote: I don't want to point my finger at Vili ;-) but do you others also get his mails not threading? Yes, very very annoying!!! Reason is that the references are missing - so if you answer to such a mail, your references are not correct. Have a look at his X-Mailer! He's having to use web mail for a little while, being out of the country, as he told me yesterday in a PM. We'd rather have him posting than not, wouldn't we? Until he can get back home and begin using The Bat! normally again? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is at least part of the rub. The product works pretty damn well. I'd urge you to look at the amount of list traffic. It may work well for you, but it does not appear to work well as a general purpose mail client. It's to the point where I can't even use it for my every day work. It's also one of the very few programs I've touched in the past 3 years or so that gives me AVs. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Mary, Mary Bull wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have a look at his X-Mailer! I don't just care about why they are missing (also I thought something like this). We'd rather have him posting than not, wouldn't we? Obvious you would. I can only speak for me; and I'd prefer that he don't post such mails. But I can't do anything against it and so I've to accept it :-(. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: also....
Hi Charlene, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:05:35 +0200 UTC (6/30/2005, 1:05 PM -0500 UTC my time), Charlene Ferrara wrote: I see a new thing here... after deleting several emails in my inbox, I had a -1 listed in unread message count... was it anticipating the next new email arriving? :) C This happens from time to time. Should be gone after closing TB and a C new start up. But it will keeping on bugging you occasionally. Curiously, I have not seen this bugaboo before.. wanted to mention it as the folder counters re-work was listed for this release :) You are right, I have not seen this since.. -- Gary :gary: Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Reply to message sent 6/30/2005, @ 20:32:20 (12:32 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Maxim, [-] Exchange: (#0002930) after a certain amount of MAPI sessions, The Bat! could no longer connect to Exchange server due to increasing usage of memory I fired it up and am able to send and receive. Time will tell about the above bug though as it would take between 3-5 hours it seemed before TB! would seize up and quit connecting to the server. -- t'hy'la, òó Nick Danger [MUA: The Bat! v3.5.35] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Boris! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:26 PM, you wrote: Have a look at his X-Mailer! I don't just care about why they are missing (also I thought something like this). :) We'd rather have him posting than not, wouldn't we? Obvious you would. I can only speak for me; and I'd prefer that he don't post such mails. But I can't do anything against it and so I've to accept it :-(. :bearhug: He said in a PM to me yesterday that he was sorry he'd been disrupting threading. Perhaps earlier he said it to the list also--can't quite recall. And I apologize to you for messing up your threading in my replies to him. Can you help matters for yourself, by simply deleting the non-threading posts when you see them? Sorry if I'm making ignorant comments/asking stupid questions. I thread by none since I never did learn how to enjoy reading by indented threads and sub-threads on my page. :) friendly smile -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hello Nick, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 21:29:46, you wrote: Time will tell about the above bug though as it would take between 3-5 hours it seemed before TB! would seize up and quit connecting to the server. You can configure TB! to check new mail every second, to shorten this period. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: also....
Hi Gary, on Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:28:49 -0500GMT (30.06.2005, 19:28 +0200GMT here), you wrote: G I see a new thing here... after deleting several emails in my inbox, I had G a -1 listed in unread message count... was it anticipating the next new G email arriving? :) As Charlene said, it occurs from time to time - mine are always dated from Dec 30, 1899. It happens here usually when I select the next unread from a Virtual Folder. hmm -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.5.35 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Tony, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:07:23 PM, you wrote: I am no programmer but I work in an industry that has to have very resilient products and the thing that is worrying me about TB development is the apparent effort being extended to add new features/functions when there are issues with the existing ones. RL would do themselves a lot of favours if they implemented a feature/function freeze at the present time and picked off all the existing bugs. Get the code base stable before implementing anything else... I can't necessarily disagree with you, but in 100% honesty, adding new features is thousands of times more fun (for a coder) than tracking down bugs. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, I'm just speaking from my own experience as a coder. It's human nature and the RITLabs guys are human too (well, I've never seen them in person but I think it's a safe assumption! grin). During a project management / software development lifecycle, I really hate the bug fixing phase. It's a necessary evil, but it's exceptionally boring and frustrating most times. Again, it doesn't make it right, it just speaks to the issue at hand in terms of human nature. I too would like to see the existing bugs fixed before adding any new functionality, but I also deeply empathize with them. I'll just continue to sit on this fence! grin -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:23:46 PM, Kevin Menard wrote: I'd urge you to look at the amount of list traffic. I see the list traffic. Lots of it is the same few people repeating the same complaints over and over. And threads like this with miles of handwringing and telling about how if they were in charge, things would sure be different around here. Since I switched to IMAP on 6/6, and started new batch of folders, I see 2,347 messages on this list, and 694 on TBUDL. Since I joined the Mulberry list on 6/10, they have 190 posts. There was more flaming there, people here are more polite, Cyrus Daboo posts a lot so one knows he is paying attention, and that probably helps there. But I'm rocking along here reading all that mail on TB! without many problems, filtering and searching work well, my pre IMAP database of about 150,000 messages is still where I can access it, and I can search both groups separately or together, and every time that I go to use Mulberry for comparison, I am glad that TB! works so well and that it is here to use. it does not appear to work well as a general purpose mail client You must live in a different world. Or you have never had to rely on Outlook, or OE, or Pegasus, or Eudora. It's also one of the very few programs I've touched in the past 3 years or so that gives me AVs. There have certainly been some bad decision making in making the betas also be the currently released product, and if all this complaining was among users on TBUDL they would have more room to complain, but this is a beta list, and this is beta testing. It's kind of ironic that right now all the complaining is about betas which act like betas, when just a few weeks ago there was all this complaining because there was no aggressive beta cycle going on. There was so much begging that we got an alpha, then there was complaining because the alpha had bugs and AVs. Now we have a large contingent who want to redesign the whole process because the people in Moldavia obviously don't have a clue about anything. Out of all the areas of expertise mentioned or unmentioned in this thread, I'd have to say that professionals in the areas discussed often know more and can judge better than all the volunteer experts. I would say that while I'm not a professional chef, I can judge when food is palatable to me, when it has too much salt etc. Usually when it isn't spicy (piquant) enough, it's way to hot for others to eat, but my tongue still knows. Past that, however, I tend to defer to the experts on lots of the technical matters. I don't do my own taxes, and when people ask me for tax advice I decline. If you pulled up in front of my house in an older car, pre fuel injection pre electronic ignition, maybe a 1978 VW, I could probably get it to run better, but I'm not sure where the spark plugs are on the car I'm driving now. I'm often faced to explain to a client that the legal advice s/he's getting from his/her father-in-law or from over the fence really isn't right and doesn't apply to their situation. Here in the states, you can always turn on a radio and find out lots of better ways to run any team in any team sport, (except hockey since they self-destructed :( ), who to trade, who to bench, etc. I'm sure lots of those people would be able to straighten out TB! as well. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.35 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Leif, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Thursday, June 30, 2005, 7:52:05 PM. I believe you wrote: LG I can't necessarily disagree with you, but in 100% honesty, adding new LG features is thousands of times more fun (for a coder) than tracking LG down bugs. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, I'm just LG speaking from my own experience as a coder. It's human nature and the LG RITLabs guys are human too (well, I've never seen them in person but I LG think it's a safe assumption! grin). no one can disagree new things are more fun, however, when you're being paid for it, you need to do whats best, this often isnt whats fun. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
SOT: Re[2]: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Boris, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:26:29 PM, you wrote: Obvious you would. I can only speak for me; and I'd prefer that he don't post such mails. But I can't do anything against it and so I've to accept it :-(. Are broken threads irritating, yes, but as a moderator and as a fellow subscriber I would never tell someone they shouldn't post to the lists just because they're unable to use TB due to circumstances outside their control. The fact that he is finding a way to participate speaks volumes for his character and his interest in TB. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Mary, Mary Bull wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): He said in a PM to me yesterday that he was sorry he'd been disrupting threading. Sorry means for me, that I try that it don't happen again. Anyway - don't solve the problem. And I apologize to you for messing up your threading in my replies to him. I think it's not you fault (but I'd prefer if nobody would answer to such a corrupt message). Can you help matters for yourself, by simply deleting the non-threading posts when you see them? Belive me, I do everthing that help matters for me. I'd suggest to stop (public) discussion here, because I am the minority or even the only one who is disturbed by it (so it can't be stopped and therefore discussion about it is senseless - and I don't like senseless discussions - at least in Virtual Reality :). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: also....
Hi Peter, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:50:39 +0200 UTC (6/30/2005, 1:50 PM -0500 UTC my time), Peter Meyns wrote: G I see a new thing here... after deleting several emails in my inbox, I had G a -1 listed in unread message count... was it anticipating the next new G email arriving? :) P As Charlene said, it occurs from time to time - mine are always dated P from Dec 30, 1899. LOL... I remember that year :) P It happens here usually when I select the next unread from a Virtual P Folder. interesting... I don't use VFs, but this is currently happening again with some frequency in my IMAP INBOX. Thanks for your input. I made it to -2 just a few minutes ago. :) -- Gary Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Vili's Mails not threaded
Hello Leif, Leif Gregory wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Are broken threads irritating, yes, but as a moderator and as a fellow subscriber I would never tell someone they shouldn't post to the lists Your decision, I'd make another. just because they're unable to use TB due to circumstances outside their control. Note: I don't want that he uses TB, but that his mails contains the references. As I pointed out in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggest to stop (public) discussion. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Leif, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 7:52:05 PM, you wrote: adding new features is thousands of times more fun (for a coder) No doubt! We all have to have some fun sometimes ;-) It's a necessary evil, but it's exceptionally boring and frustrating most times. True but that's something we all have to live with in our professional and personal lives. To be successful sometimes you have to just get on with it - the secret is knowing when that time is :-) I'll just continue to sit on this fence! grin Watch someone doesn't sneak up and give you a push one way or the other then I think we are all just frustrated as we can see the potential and most things DO work MOST of the time -- Tony Brookes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tonybro.com Using The Bat! v3.5.28 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Bonjour Mary, Hello to all the Bat wine amateurs, MB Thank you so very much for telling about this distinction. I am quite MB sure now that I have never tasted claret. I'm sorry to interfere in such a gastronomical and oenological (*) discussion (I love this beta-tester list and its huge variety of technical themes :-) but I'm afraid that none of the previous explanations was entirely right (well, they weren't entirely wrong either, just a little bit imprecise): It is correct that the English word claret comes from the French clairet. In the UK, at least, Claret simply means any red Bordeaux wine: in A Case of identity, Sherlock Holmes explains that Mr. Windibank, a character of the story, travels for Westhouse Marbank, the great claret importers of Fenchurch Street and therefore has to live most of the year in Bordeaux. The word clairet was used in the XIIth century in Aquitaine (the region around Bordeaux) to designate the red wine there because of its shortened fermentation process. When Duchess Aliénor d'Aquitaine married in second wedding Henry Plantagenet, the word crossed the Channel with Henry becoming King of England. After these times - when England owned a quarter of France (**) - the fermentation process evolved and Bordeaux red became the full-bodied deep-coloured wine we actually know; but the word claret remained until nowadays. Clairet, by the way, is still used (though not really popular anymore) in France to mean any light red wine from any region. Kind regards Francis, the Frog (*) don't bother looking for that word into your Concise Oxford dic, it's a neologism. (**) or when South-West France possessed England, depending on the point of view :-) -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:23:46 PM, Kevin Menard wrote: I'd urge you to look at the amount of list traffic. I see the list traffic. Lots of it is the same few people repeating the same complaints over and over. And threads like this with miles of handwringing and telling about how if they were in charge, things would sure be different around here. There's a difference between making a suggestion and saying if I was in charge, I would do this. The former is constructive, the latter is not. Perhaps we're repeating the same complaints over and over because the same bugs keep resurfacing (which good regression testing would address) and because overly broad goals are stated that are never achieved. it does not appear to work well as a general purpose mail client You must live in a different world. Or you have never had to rely on Outlook, or OE, or Pegasus, or Eudora. Making relative comparisons is a logical flaw. Something can suck, and just not suck as bad as the alternatives. That doesn't mean that it works well, it just means it works better than others. With that said, waiting minutes for it to refresh IMAP folders is ridiculous. Bring on OE or Pegasus or Eudora. If it can retrieve my mail in a timely manner and show the correct message (which TB! has a history of not doing), then I'd be tolerant of the mess that is TB! nowadays. There have certainly been some bad decision making in making the betas also be the currently released product, and if all this complaining was among users on TBUDL they would have more room to complain, but this is a beta list, and this is beta testing. Beta testing implies other testing has occurred. It is quite evident that is not the case. It's kind of ironic that right now all the complaining is about betas which act like betas, when just a few weeks ago there was all this complaining because there was no aggressive beta cycle going on. There was so much begging that we got an alpha, then there was complaining because the alpha had bugs and AVs. I wasn't part of that discussion, but I'd hardly say matters have improved much. Just a couple hours ago, we had two betas released back to back because the first one was broken. Now we have a large contingent who want to redesign the whole process because the people in Moldavia obviously don't have a clue about anything. Out of all the areas of expertise mentioned or unmentioned in this thread, I'd have to say that professionals in the areas discussed often know more and can judge better than all the volunteer experts. Who judges what makes a person an expert? Just because they produce the software doesn't make them experts. There are certainly plenty of software companies out there composed of junior programmers. Sure, it's a learning process, but operate in a closed world and you won't learn very much. RL needs to learn something from the current mess. I also wish you wouldn't put words into people's mouths. Where did anyone say that RL obviously don't have a clue about anything? I would honestly like to see such a quote, since I don't think inflammatory comments like that should be permitted on the list. I would say that while I'm not a professional chef, I can judge when food is palatable to me, when it has too much salt etc. Usually when it isn't spicy (piquant) enough, it's way to hot for others to eat, but my tongue still knows. Past that, however, I tend to defer to the experts on lots of the technical matters. We can keep going down the analogy road . . . Say you order a steak, and it comes back uncooked. You might see some grill marks, but it's quite evident it hasn't been cooked. Presuming you've actually cooked before, and probably do so on a regular basis, you've got a pretty good idea what the problem is. Certainly you know what the symptoms are. Would you not then be equipped to pass judgement on the chef's process? Or do you really feel that all you can say is this steak is too rare? Here in the states, you can always turn on a radio and find out lots of better ways to run any team in any team sport, (except hockey since they self-destructed :( ), who to trade, who to bench, etc. I'm sure lots of those people would be able to straighten out TB! as well. Ahh, good old sarcasm. The best way to hold a civil discussion. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:56:21 PM, Simon Fincham wrote: SF Hi Maxim, SF On 30 June 2005 at 19:32:37GMT +0200, Maxim Masiutin sent an SF E-Mail mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on the subject of The Bat! SF 3.5.35 is now available: Maxim The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available from: Maxim http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ SF I have noted that choosing the 'Specials' menu from the SF Standard tool bar, does not reveal a description for the 'watch SF replies' function. It does however appear through the right click SF function. SF Screengrab attached. ___ Works fine here. Jon Using The Bat! v3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -- As you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's — ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions — you can't — we're out of sanctions. —George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello Tony, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:12:59 PM, you wrote: Watch someone doesn't sneak up and give you a push one way or the other then talking to trout On Guard!!! Watch my six good buddy! /talking to trout grin I think we are all just frustrated as we can see the potential and most things DO work MOST of the time That I completely understand. Dwight hit the nail on the head in: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] though. Part of the problem is that collectively as beta-testers, we've historically been pretty wishy-washy in terms of how we think RITLabs should be operating. Granted there are baselines for operation, but you gotta give credit where credit is due in that RITLabs has tried various methods to please us. We're just finicky! grin -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Specials/Watch Replies In empty caption [was Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available]
Hello Jon! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:22 PM, you wrote: SF I have noted that choosing the 'Specials' menu from the SF Standard tool bar, does not reveal a description for the 'watch SF replies' function. It does however appear through the right click SF function. SF Screengrab attached. This is the bug that a number of us worked so hard on, two or three days ago. I made a BT report on it, and it's been confirmed and assigned: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4835 A work-around is to delete tbuser.def in the directory, and then close and re-start The Bat! Unfortunately, this causes you to lose all previous customizations, including shortcut customizations. So, that's why it's a bug and has been assigned to be fixed. I did delete tbuser.def, and so the omission no longer occurs for me. It will keep on occurring for those who see it and don't do the deletion (or renaming, if preferred not to delete), until a fix is found and incorporated in a subsequent beta. Works fine here. For a few lucky people, their tbuser.def file did not (apparently) contain the line that conflicted with the new beta code. It's in the hands of the developers now. But it is a definite, confirmed bug. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: It worries me...
Hello Liz, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 12:59:47 PM, you wrote: no one can disagree new things are more fun, however, when you're being paid for it, you need to do whats best, this often isnt whats fun. True enough, but you gotta balance that against burnout. They do fix bugs, it may not be the bug you wanted fixed, but they aren't just adding all new features without fixing anything broke. Some bugs are just greasier and nastier to get hold of. I need a bug smiley grin -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: also....
Hi Gary, Thursday, June 30, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hi Charlene, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:05:35 +0200 UTC (6/30/2005, 1:05 PM -0500 UTC my time), Charlene Ferrara wrote: I see a new thing here... after deleting several emails in my inbox, I had a -1 listed in unread message count... was it anticipating the next new email arriving? :) C This happens from time to time. Should be gone after closing TB and a C new start up. But it will keeping on bugging you occasionally. Curiously, I have not seen this bugaboo before.. wanted to mention it as the folder counters re-work was listed for this release :) You are right, I have not seen this since.. Just for my own curiosity: what date does this ghostmail show in mailticker? -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hallo Mary, On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:56:16 -0500GMT (30-6-2005, 19:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MB launches. V. 3.5.35 loads blazingly fast! Can't confirm that. TB never before took over an hour to display my message base. But today, I started TB, left home, came back 80 minutes later and it was still prompting me for the OTFE master password. -- Groetjes, Roelof Dogmatism: Puppyism come to its full growth. The Bat! 3.5.35 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpv6WFfLVHsz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hello Roelof! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:44 PM, you wrote: MB launches. V. 3.5.35 loads blazingly fast! Can't confirm that. TB never before took over an hour to display my message base. But today, I started TB, left home, came back 80 minutes later and it was still prompting me for the OTFE master password. :woe: :boohoo: weeping tears of sympathy Have you posted directly to Maxim about it? (Although I'm running pro, I have not installed OTFE, myself; so our set-ups can't be compared.) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: also....
Hi Gary, Thursday, June 30, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : P As Charlene said, it occurs from time to time - mine are always dated P from Dec 30, 1899. So do mine. Well, that mail really took way too long to deliver. But what's worth having is worth waiting for... LOL... I remember that year :) Was it a good volume? *SCNR* P It happens here usually when I select the next unread from a Virtual P Folder. interesting... I don't use VFs, but this is currently happening again with some frequency in my IMAP INBOX. Thanks for your input. I made it to -2 just a few minutes ago. :) Here I just have to watch mailticker and sometimes I get mail from Tut-ench-Amun, but he seemed to have the wrong provider. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hello Leif! On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:40 PM, you wrote: Some bugs are just greasier and nastier to get hold of. I need a bug smiley grin Some bug larvae are worms? :worm2: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hello Maxim, The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ You were 5 minutes late. 9Val's 3.5.34 was announced at 18:27 and your 3.5.35 at 19:32. The Happy Hour on the hour rules indicate versions must be announced at exactly one hour intervals ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.35 is now available
Hello Mary, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:56:45 PM, you wrote: Have you posted directly to Maxim about it? (Although I'm running pro, I have not installed OTFE, myself; so our set-ups can't be compared.) Roelof needs a beating. grin That's normal behavior Mary. If it bybassed the OTFE password prompt I'd be worried. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
