Customiser
Hello all, So I started playing with the customizer a little. The feature, although being a nice base, needs further improvements. -the technical names, like MEdit_sbPop, should have human-understandable aliases added -there should be a way of easier finding commands in the all actions column. perhaps the commands there should be grouped somehow. for sure they need short descriptions added. some need to be removed (as out of context they are nonsense, like never, always) -drag'n'drop editing would be much easier (also for moving buttons from one button bar (or container) to another; also for menus. for this also an option to show all containers during customization would be good. -the select image window needs some polishing -- it should be resizeable, the technical names should be changed to more user friendly ones, the icons should be sorted logically. They should be displayed bigger. -there should be a way to assign icons from a file. they should be kept while the general program icons are changed or an icon is added for a command that previously didn't have one associated. There should be a way to reset an icon to it's original form, when there exists one, and to remove an icon. -most frequently used commands that don't yet have icons, should have ones added (how to determine which are most often used? this can be deducted, found out based on voting or found out by gathering statistical data from users, either automatically or not). -a BUG: after editing toolbars in the main window, I ended up with icons displaying in menu mode, i.e. all of them are very small. I cannot change it back -- choosing toolbar icons gives no effect, as this change is forgotten as soon as I click OK. So much for now. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ Using The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Spell-checker bug
Hello all, Right-clicking on misspelled word suddenly started causing an access violation error at address 00ACADAB. It lasted for some time, I don't know what caused it, but I'd been testing the customizer before. After restart it is gone and things are working OK again. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ Using The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Customiser
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Thursday morning, Krzysztof wrote something like this: So I started playing with the customizer a little. The feature, although being a nice base, needs further improvements. - tbuser.def should be edited in OTFE mode for example through some internal TB implementation. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 5:56:53 PM, Maxim Masiutin on TBBETA wrote: Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 12:30:28 AM, you wrote: HMdB But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got HMdB messages Canvas does not allow drawing. HMdB The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this HMdB message before I was able to close the composition window. Oops, that's one that I am *_not_* going to test! (Far too much problems with that one in the past) Do you mean that the problems with canvas did also exist in previous versions of The Bat!? :)) The Insert Smiley button seems to be working for me. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar ...and should work faster than before. Working fine here so far (no OTFE) and yes, it seems to be faster. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 11-Okt-2006 at 21:53 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: should work faster than before. Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Is it not that Her Majesty's government infored our people of what they know about U.F.O.'s? I think it is time our people were told the truth. -- Brinsley Le Poer Trench, Earl of Clancarty Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Alexander, Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 11-Okt-2006 at 21:53 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: should work faster than before. Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( Sometimes the extra code to make things work right means that a program must run slower than when things didn't work right. TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: -- Gleason Using 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. Email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006 @ 12:53:13 PM [-0700], Maxim Masiutin wrote: should work faster than before It does feel faster when opening. Too fast for my stopwatch to really test it. :) -- Matt Using 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 (Service Pack 2) Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Gleason, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:38:48 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 11:38 AM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: G TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 12:53:59 PM, Gary on TBBETA wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:38:48 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 11:38 AM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: G TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gleason Pace everyone else, on 12-Okt-2006 at 18:38 you (Gleason Pace) wrote: Sometimes the extra code to make things work right means that a program must run slower than when things didn't work right. TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Well, even though I don't have an IMAP account its good to hear that TBs IMAP is getting somewhere. But, having said that, I don't see how a propper IMAP implementation affects the speed of rendering the graphics of a window opening/closing. Maybe it has a check like is there an IMAP account that needs to do something? per line drawn onto the screen? ;-) This slow gfx rendering adds a lot to the experience of TB to me (it used to feel quick and snappy back then), and the slowness that creeped into the code somewhere in the 3.5x series is the one issue that keeps annoying me, and I will keep moaning about until its fixed. (and if that may take forever, so be it - ha!;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Whenever I have to choose between two evils, I always like to try the one I haven't tried before. -- Mae West Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi David, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:51 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:04 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 1:21:56 PM, Gary on TBBETA wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:51 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:04 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi David, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:40:47 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:40 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. D That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. It is a bug (or RL's decision). RL has known about it for a long time, since starting IMAP into TB!, yet nothing has been done to date to correct it. Curtis has mentioned it long ago in this forum, several times, as have I, and a few others using IMAP. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary everyone else, on 12-Okt-2006 at 20:26 you (Gary) wrote: D That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. It is a bug (or RL's decision). RL has known about it for a long time, since starting IMAP into TB!, yet nothing has been done to date to correct it. Curtis has mentioned it long ago in this forum, several times, as have I, and a few others using IMAP. And did you file a bug report on the bugtracker website? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Alexander, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:19:30 +0200 UTC (10/12/2006, 2:19 PM -0500 UTC my time), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: D That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. It is a bug (or RL's decision). RL has known about it for a long time, since starting IMAP into TB!, yet nothing has been done to date to correct it. Curtis has mentioned it long ago in this forum, several times, as have I, and a few others using IMAP. A And did you file a bug report on the bugtracker website? I personally did not, but I believe Curtis did months ago. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Alexander, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 6:59:45 PM, you wrote: Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( Do you mean that screen redraws in 3.0.2.10 are much faster than now, with the same Skins/Themes settings? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 7:53:59 PM, you wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. Why don't you use stunnel? Should I send you the configuration file for stunnel? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 8:21:56 PM, you wrote: Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. Do you know that The Bat! is the most secure e-mail client. If we will allow unsafe actions there and there we will became as insecure as the other e-mail clients. Why don't you simply use regular connection instead of TLS with expired certificate? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:43:05 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 6:43 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. M Why don't you use stunnel? Should I send you the configuration file for M stunnel? Sure, I use stunnel in *n.x all the time, but never tried it in windows. thanks -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:48:57 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 6:48 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M Do you know that The Bat! is the most secure e-mail client. If we will M allow unsafe actions there and there we will became as insecure as the M other e-mail clients. What unsafe actions? Accepting an expired SSL cert to a server that already requires CRAM-MD5 authentication? That's up to the user to decide, everyone does it with browsers all the time. LOL... Next thing will be that TB! will not start at all if the user is smoking a cigarette, another unsafe action. In TB!, we don't even have that choice to accept or not, it is taken out of our hands for our benefit and safety... Sounds like a good sales pitch to me :) However, I do not consider Pine (who was designed by Mark C., the inventor of the IMAP RFC, Mutt, or Mulberry, or several others insecure by any means. The IMAPS server already requires CRAM-MD5 over SSL v3 auth. Yet, they let me choose to permanently accept any cert... M Why don't you simply use regular connection instead of TLS with expired M certificate? Can't, the remote server is configured only for IMAP with SSL only (port 993), not 143 standard which is not even opened in the firewall. Wouldn't it be easier to just let the customer decide. This has nothing to do with unsafe actions, just some fine tuning of programming the Address book / trusted root CA to not block expired certs. We are not talking about a root cert for e-commerce doing credit card transactions here.. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 2:59:35 AM, you wrote: Sure, I use stunnel in *n.x all the time, but never tried it in windows. Please download Stunnel from http://www.stunnel.org/download/binaries.html , install it and create the file stunnel.conf, place it to the same direcory where you installed stunnel.exe: client = yes debug = debug [pop3s] accept = 127.0.0.1:110 connect = pop3s.myisp.com:995 [imaps] accept = 127.0.0.1:143 delay = yes connect = imaps.myisp.com:993 [smtps] accept = 127.0.0.1:25 connect = smtps.myisp.com:465 In The Bat! account properties, specify 127.0.0.1 and Regular connection. If the server requires Secure to regular port (STARTTLS), then use the following data in stunnel.conf, [smtps] section: [smtps] accept = 127.0.0.1:25 connect = smtps.myisp.com:25 protocol = smtp -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 3:19:05 AM, you wrote: What unsafe actions? Accepting an expired SSL cert to a server that already requires CRAM-MD5 authentication? That's up to the user to decide, everyone does it with browsers all the time. LOL... Next thing will be that TB! will not start at all if the user is smoking a cigarette, another unsafe action. In TB!, we don't even have that choice to accept or not, it is taken out of our hands for our benefit and safety... Sounds like a good sales pitch to me :) I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users love The Bat! or hate it. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:20:24 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 7:20 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M Please download Stunnel from M http://www.stunnel.org/download/binaries.html , install it and create the M file stunnel.conf, place it to the same direcory where you installed M stunnel.exe: Many thanks for this... it is almost exactly the same as making a wrapper on the stunnel service in unix, example rsync using stunnel... good deal... I am a happy camper again, as I will be able to log in. Thank you Max. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:22:25 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 7:22 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe M sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users love The Bat! or M hate it. LOL... agreed.. the love/hate relationship has been going on here for years, since v1 :) . sounds like a good woman :)) -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 3:35:40 AM, you wrote: M I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe M sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users love The Bat! or M hate it. LOL... agreed.. the love/hate relationship has been going on here for years, since v1 :) . sounds like a good woman :)) Woman? What do you mean? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Expired certificates (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hello Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:22:25 +0300 GMT (13/10/2006, 07:22 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe MM sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users MM love The Bat! or hate it. The Bat! is an email client that is used by many professionals. The balance would be there if you allowed these people to accept a certificate that has expired, they know what they are doing. Hide it under Advanced Options if you are afraid my mother would use it. The current behaviour does not feel safe, it feels like nannying and is certainly not appreciated by the professionals. Especially since they can easily switch to another product and become your ex-customers and ex-promoters. Being pedantic has its advantages, and TB! is certainly a good product. However, you have to be a bit realistic about what is out there. This customer, for example, could not connect by normal port at all, due to his company's security policy. He is clearly someone who knows what he is talking about. Even if he wanted to, he cannot use (or promote!) The Bat!. Recommending a third software (stunnel) is certainly not the idea - you are providing a work-around for your own restriction. What is the point of the restriction then? I would also think it is certainly much easier to just use another email-client with which you don't need to tunnel. Just my 2 satangs worth. -- Cheers, Thomas. This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi All, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 1:53:13 PM, Maxim wrote: Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. I believe it is faster also. Congratulations to The Bat! Development Team. Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA. Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our fulfillment, our challenge - and our inheritance, to accept and to share. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:20:24 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 7:20 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M it and create the file stunnel.conf, place it to the same direcory where M you installed stunnel.exe: Works great Max, thanks.. on line now with that remote server. I did not know stunnel was available for Windows... very cool. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:52:03 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 8:52 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: LOL... agreed.. the love/hate relationship has been going on here for years, since v1 :) . sounds like a good woman :)) M Woman? What do you mean? Some relationships (definitely not mine) are defined as a love - hate relationship... they get mad at each other, then make up again, and do this all the time. I have a friend here, who works at the Univ, in my wife's department, who is a professional Russian translator I will ask him to translate and send to me, so I can send it on to you :) -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Expired certificates (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hi Thomas, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:33 +0700 UTC (10/12/2006, 8:54 PM -0500 UTC my time), Thomas Fernandez wrote: T The Bat! is an email client that is used by many professionals. The T balance would be there if you allowed these people to accept a T certificate that has expired, they know what they are doing. Hide it T under Advanced Options if you are afraid my mother would use it. T The current behaviour does not feel safe, it feels like nannying and T is certainly not appreciated by the professionals. Especially since T they can easily switch to another product and become your ex-customers T and ex-promoters. Well spoken Thomas :) also, make that another FREE product.. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Maxim Masiutin wrote on 12/10/2006 at 06:53:13 +1100 subject The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA : The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar Seems to run fine here. The bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2291 is still present and still annoying. (Incorrect printing of heavy images received as eMail attachment) Can someone else than me and Zygmunt reproduce this issue? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.2.0on Windows 2000 ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
ALPHA close down speed
Hello, I've only had the ALPHA running for 12 hours as I was away but decided to check the close down speed just now and it was almost instantaneous. Has RIT really cracked it at last? Oh I do hope so but it's looking promising. As others have reported I find that it also opens much quicker now. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.6.7.3 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
