Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread George M. Menegakis
Hello Leif,

Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 12:23:22 AM, you wrote:

 I'm officially hanging up my moderator hat and my list member
 subscriptions to TBUDL, TBBETA, TBDEV and TBTECH. I do however, plan
 on staying with TBOT because it's a fun list that I still get a chance
 to pay attention to every once in a while.

Thank you for your hard work all these years. Best luck to your life!

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Re: 3.99 - IMAP

2007-04-24 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Gleason,

On 23-04-2007 19:04, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 .03 is even better.  I'm impressed.

Well, counts are still wrong.

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Leif,

 Thank you for all your hard work. Much appreciated. I have learnt a lot
 about TB on these lists.

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Leif,

Thank you for the historical essay, and for your contribution from the roots! 
Hope to see you as a list member, maybe!

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Robert van der Hulst
Hi Leif,

What can I say that hasn't been said before..
Thanks for all your good work !


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3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-3.msi
www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-3.msi
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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Nick Danger
Reply to message sent 04/23/2007, @ 15:23:22 (4:23 PM Locally)
~~~

Good bye Leif,

 I'm officially hanging up my moderator hat and my list member
 subscriptions

As a silent but long time member let me add my thanks and good luck
wishes.

Also, in a bit of nostalgia, let me add as a snicker the sig line
from my favorite protagonist poster of the past:


I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
main connection to the switchboard of souls.


Cheers!

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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maxim,

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:08:10 +0300 GMT (24/04/2007, 19:08 +0700 GMT),
Maxim Masiutin wrote:

MM Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

Do you have a changelog?

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Leif,

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:23:22 -0600 GMT (24/04/2007, 04:23 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:

LG In every parent's life there comes a time when they have to let go
LG and let their child find their own way. It is also time for me to
LG finally let go so I can move on with other things that interest me.
LG The last year or so I've been growing more and more distant from the
LG lists as I had less and less time to spend on them. Marck and Roelof
LG are awesome moderators and I know the lists are in good hands.

Thank you for all your work for these lists, this was extraordinary. I
am sure I will not be the only one who will miss you - and your
contributions - considerably. You have helped many people with your
expertise, and you have also contributed to TB beomcing what it is
now. Both on the technical side as well as on the marketing side.

I agree that the lists (I am only on TBDL and TBBETA) are in good
hands with Marck and Roelof, so I have no fear that there will be a
problem. However, you will be missed.

Good luck, and I am happy to hear that you will still be on TBOT.

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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Tuesday, April 24, 2007, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

MM Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

 Do you have a changelog?

it is the same build as Max sent yesterday, where freezing when Later
button was hit was fixed.

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Nick,

@24-Apr-2007, 08:01 -0500 (24-Apr 14:01 here) Nick Danger [ND] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Leif:

... snip
ND Also, in a bit of nostalgia, let me add as a snicker the sig line
ND from my favorite protagonist poster of the past:

ND 
ND I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ND main connection to the switchboard of souls.
ND 

LMAO!! I wonder what became of the man? I always used to like him.

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:13:02 +0100 GMT (24/04/2007, 05:13 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

M Dunno. I was not aware accented characters were allowed in URLs.

They are now, since sometime last year.

M I note that if I cut and paste your link into Firefox, when the
M page loads the í in the URL in the address bar becomes %C3%AD

Firefox does it correctly, TB doesn't interpret the high-ASCII
characters correctly, if I understand RFC3986 correctly:

M 2.4.  When to Encode or Decode
M 
M[...]
M 
MWhen a URI is dereferenced, the components and subcomponents
Msignificant to the scheme-specific dereferencing process (if any)
Mmust be parsed and separated before the percent-encoded octets
Mwithin those components can be safely decoded, as otherwise the
Mdata may be mistaken for component delimiters. The only exception
Mis for percent-encoded octets corresponding to characters in the
Munreserved set, which can be decoded at any time. For For example,
Mthe octet corresponding to the tilde (~) character is often
Mencoded as %7E by older URI processing implementations; the %7E
Mcan be replaced by ~ without changing its interpretation.

So, a URL with umlauts or accents should not be cut off as TB does,
but shown in full. When you click on it, the corresponding decoding
should be used and sent to the browser. If the browser can understand
the encoded URL correctly (i.e. decoding it), there is no work for TB
to be done, just to allow the whole URL to be highlighted, so we can
send it to the browser. I would still prefer TB to do the decoding,
but the first step, not highlighting the whole URL, is a bug IMHO.

I call it a bug, but had a discussion with Vitalie Vrabie on TBBETA
last year, who disagreed. He said that TB is behaving correctly by not
recognising such URLs. That's why there is no BT entry.

I'm copying back to TBBETA for further discussion.

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Leif,

I'm not normally a Me too person but I'd just like to add my thanks
for all you've done for TB! and the lists as well as the help you have
personally given to me on the list in the past.

I wish you well for whatever the future holds for you and thank you for
the occasional hand holding with TB! in the past.

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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Gunivortus Goos
Hi Max,

 Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_3-99-3.msi

Running without problems so far.

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Re[2]: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Vili
 So,  a URL with umlauts or accents should not be cut off as TB does,
 but  shown in full. When you click on it, the corresponding decoding
 should  be  used  and  sent  to  the  browser.  If  the  browser can
 understand the encoded URL correctly (i.e. decoding it), there is no
 work  for  TB  to  be  done,  just  to  allow  the  whole  URL to be
 highlighted,  so we can send it to the browser. I would still prefer
 TB  to  do  the  decoding,  but the first step, not highlighting the
 whole URL, is a bug IMHO.

It is simple to solve this problem:

what should be the end character for a link? Space? If we agree, Maxim
can implement it in a minute, I guess. What RFC says?

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread MAU
Hello Leif,

 I'm officially hanging up my moderator hat and my list member
 subscriptions to TBUDL, TBBETA, TBDEV and TBTECH.

You will miss the next rounds of beer here, but I guess that with age
you've become more fond of scotch ;)

Enjoy man! Life is t short :)

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Vili,

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:20:10 -0400 GMT (24/04/2007, 21:20 +0700 GMT),
Vili wrote:

V It is simple to solve this problem:

V what should be the end character for a link? Space?

It's not for us to decide.

V If we agree, Maxim can implement it in a minute, I guess. What RFC
V says?

Exactly. High-ASCII characters are not always the end of a link, as
examples have shown. The example provided on TBUDL was:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Día_Internacional_del_Libro

It is highlighted only until the D, as you can see. CP'ed into
Firefox, it works. Is the end of the link a space or a right bracket?
I don't know. But an accented vowel or an umlaut certainly isn't.

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 16:20:10, Vili wrote:

 what should be the end character for a link? Space? If we agree, Maxim
 can implement it in a minute, I guess. What RFC says?

Space should always terminate the link - but it shouldn't be the only
character that does it, depending on what's in front of the link. Take
a look at the following examples:

foo http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de) bar http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de) baz
^  ^
foo (http://čšž.ena.si/) bar [http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de)] baz
 ^^   ^

The ^'s mark parts of the URLs that should be clickable. Even
something like (http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de)) shouldn't be too hard to
get right, even if it could cause a few problems when the user
actually forgot a space after the closing parenthesis (I tested these
examples in my newsreader [Dialog], and it does the right thing, so I
see no reason why The Bat couldn't).

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Re[2]: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Vili
 what should be the end character for a link? Space? If we agree, Maxim
 can implement it in a minute, I guess. What RFC says?
 Space should always terminate the link - but it shouldn't be the only
 character that does it, depending on what's in front of the link. Take
 a look at the following examples:
 foo http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de) bar http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de) baz
 ^  ^
 foo (http://čšž.ena.si/) bar [http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de)] baz
  ^^   ^
 The ^'s mark parts of the URLs that should be clickable. Even
 something like (http://čšž.ena.si/abc(de)) shouldn't be too hard to
 get right, even if it could cause a few problems when the user
 actually forgot a space after the closing parenthesis (I tested these
 examples in my newsreader [Dialog], and it does the right thing, so I
 see no reason why The Bat couldn't).

So:

1. Find the http:// (www.,ftp://, etc.) part

2. Look, what character(s) precedes it until the first char in the
line OR until the space
a. If  is there, space OR  stops the link

b. If [ is there, space OR ] stops the link

a+b. If [ and  are there, space OR ] OR  stops the link

c. If ( is there, calculate the number of (-s and then space OR the
right number of ) stops the link

a+c,b+c,a+b+c: see a+b

3. Cutoff the preceding chars and send the link.

Is it a good method?

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 17:49:40, Vili wrote:

 Is it a good method?

I'd actually write the rule like this:
- space always terminates the link
- if the first character before URI is ,{,[,( then ,},],) followed
  by any non-alphanumeric or _ terminates the link (don't bother
  counting braces inside the link, just have any closing brace
  followed by space/punctuation mark the end).

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Re[2]: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Rainwater
Hi,

Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 10:34:57 AM, you wrote:
 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Día_Internacional_del_Libro

 It is highlighted only until the D, as you can see. CP'ed into
 Firefox, it works.

No, it doesn't work in Firefox.  Firefox has to convert the url to a
valid url before it makes the HTTP request
(http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%ADa_Internacional_del_Libro).  I
suspect IE does the same but it just doesn't display the conversion in
the location bar.  The only reason Firefox can convert it, is because
it knows the only data allowed in the location bar is a URL.  A text
parser doesn't have the same luxury.


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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Alain de Gevigney
Hello Leif,

What can I add that hasn't been said before ?
Thanks for all your work, help and patience.


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Re[2]: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Robert Rainwater
Hi,

Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 9:54:28 AM, you wrote:
 Firefox does it correctly, TB doesn't interpret the high-ASCII
 characters correctly, if I understand RFC3986 correctly:

I am a bit confused as to that RFC because the HTML 3.2, 4.0 and 4.01
specifications specifically do not allow non-ASCII characters in URI
attribute values.  See
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#h-B.2.1

[quote] Although URIs do not contain non-ASCII values (see [URI],
section 2.1) authors sometimes specify them in attribute values
expecting URIs (i.e., defined with %URI; in the DTD). For instance,
the following href value is illegal:

A href=http://foo.org/Håkon;.../A

We recommend that user agents adopt the following convention for
handling non-ASCII characters in such cases:

   1. Represent each character in UTF-8 (see [RFC2279]) as one or more bytes.
   2. Escape these bytes with the URI escaping mechanism (i.e., by converting 
each byte to %HH, where HH is the hexadecimal notation of the byte value).
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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim,

 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-3.msi

No problems with a 'Custom' install.

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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Rick Grunwald
Hello Maxim
On Tuesday, April 24, 2007 you wrote:

 Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_3-99-3.msi
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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Maxim,

on  Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:08:10 +0300GMT (24.04.2007, 14:08 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

MM Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

Installed fine over the previous version and works well so far.

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
Hello Leif,

A big thank you from the Netherlands.

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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread NetVicious
martes, 24 abr 2007 at 14:08, it seems you wrote:

 Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_3-99-3.msi

What about the check version option of TB!

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Robert,

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:57:36 -0400 GMT (24/04/2007, 23:57 +0700 GMT),
Robert Rainwater wrote:

 Firefox does it correctly, TB doesn't interpret the high-ASCII
 characters correctly, if I understand RFC3986 correctly:

RR I am a bit confused as to that RFC because the HTML 3.2, 4.0 and 4.01
RR specifications specifically do not allow non-ASCII characters in URI
RR attribute values.  See
RR http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#h-B.2.1

That's about href values in HTML. Since they mention the URIs with
national characters, it follows that these characters are allowed.

RR2. Escape these bytes with the URI escaping mechanism (i.e.,
RR by converting each byte to %HH, where HH is the
RR hexadecimal notation of the byte value).

This is what I said TB should do before sending the link to the
browser. However, that's step 2.

Step 1 is that TB recognises that http://foo.org/Håkon is a valid URI
up to the last n and not only up to the H.

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jernej,

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:12:51 +0200 GMT (24/04/2007, 23:12 +0700 GMT),
Jernej Simončič wrote:

 Is it a good method?

JS I'd actually write the rule like this:
JS - space always terminates the link
JS - if the first character before URI is ,{,[,( then ,},],) followed
JS   by any non-alphanumeric or _ terminates the link (don't bother
JS   counting braces inside the link, just have any closing brace
JS   followed by space/punctuation mark the end).

I think this should work.

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Re: Links with Accents

2007-04-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Robert,

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:47:25 -0400 GMT (24/04/2007, 23:47 +0700 GMT),
Robert Rainwater wrote:

RR No, it doesn't work in Firefox.  Firefox has to convert the url to a
RR valid url before it makes the HTTP request
RR (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%ADa_Internacional_del_Libro).

Exactly: Firefox converts it, i.e. it works.

RR I suspect IE does the same but it just doesn't display the
RR conversion in the location bar. The only reason Firefox can
RR convert it, is because it knows the only data allowed in the
RR location bar is a URL. A text parser doesn't have the same luxury.

Well, the text parser does. How else would it highlight the URLs? And
even if you right-click on it, the context menu gives you the choice
Open URL. Wow.

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Re: Moving on.

2007-04-24 Thread Dirk Zemisch
Hello Leif,

 I'm officially hanging up my moderator hat and my list member
 subscriptions to TBUDL, TBBETA, TBDEV and TBTECH.

Thanks for your work and C'ya @TBLINUX ;-)

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Re: 3.99.3 MSIs

2007-04-24 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Everyone,

Tuesday, April 24, 2007, 6:08:10 AM, Maxim wrote:

 Could you please test 3.99.3 MSIs:

 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_3-99-3.msi
 www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_3-99-3.msi

So far, all is well with the Home version in all of my usual
operations.  I don't use special scripts and few filters (one being
for this beta list).
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