Damaged folders in Voyager

2008-04-18 Thread Maurice Snellen
Listmembers:

I'm experiencing a lot of problems with damaged folders in my Voyager
installation.

This even happened to the Inbox of my main account and it's very
annoying because I lose mail in the process.

At some point, Voyager started to report that it couldn't read the
message database (messages.ebb) in some directory when viewing a folder
offering to repair. When you say 'Yes', it launches the repair
highlighting, but not selecting the folder in question. If I then
select the hightlighted folder and run the repair, the log says that it
recovered an x number of messages and saved 0 to parts, x is the number
of messages that are supposed to be in the folder.

After closing the repair dialog, however, there are no messages left in
view.

This has happened to a lot of folders now. My total message count in my
own account is now down from some 72.000 to 40.000 which means that
I've now lost over 30.000 messages including my entire tbbeta archive.

I have attempted to reload the missing messages from a recent back-up,
but that seems to have aggravated the situation.

One thing I also noted is that the foldername listed in the error
saying it couldn't read the messages.ebb is not the same as the
foldername listed when I look at the folder's properties.

So I have these questions:

1) What can I do to prevent this from happening again?
2) What is the best procedure to restore Voyager from a backup?


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Re: Annoying behavior (Unread Tab)

2008-04-18 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Thomas,


Thursday, April 17, 2008, 4:51:34 PM, you wrote:

TF However, if you have read all messages in a folder, it still jumps to
TF the bottom instead of staying where it belongs.

When I added a note saying the problem was solved, I did not have many
folders with unread messages in them for some time.

However, when you do have a lot of such folders, it is still a rather
annoying behaviour...

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Re: Feature Request

2008-04-18 Thread Jens Franik

am Freitag, 18. April 2008 um 02:43 schrieb Munango-Keewati:

 Write simple VBS script with MessageBox (or simillar).
 And run external command ...

 Does anyone know how to incorporate a
 passed argument (%1) into a vbs script? I spent about an hour on
 Google looking, but couldn't find a solution.

I spent 5 minutes and searched for visual basic command line
parameters

http://www.devx.com/getHelpOn/10MinuteSolution/20366

should explain how to get them. 

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Re: Error sending HTML attachment to external application

2008-04-18 Thread Jens Franik

am Mittwoch, 16. April 2008 um 11:15 schrieb Roger Phillips:

 On  clicking  on  an  HTML attachment, and then clicking to get the external
 application (Opera) to open it, I got the AV in the attached .gif file.

 Has anyone else had this problem?

I use Flock as external Browser (based on Mozilla Engine) and i have no
Problem to view the HTML with double-click on it - exept the warning
Message, if i really want to open it than rather saving. 

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DP fiasco

2008-04-18 Thread Graham
 
Hello Don,
   
I thought I would write this direct to you as it represents what I, if
I were in your position might do regarding the implementation of DP.

First, any 'full' DP approach should be totally disregarded.

I would seriously consider a facility which gives an optional
display of tree (optional), list, 2nd tree (optional), 2nd list
and that is it!

This would enable those who are used to DP 'seeing' file transactions
and allow visual file comparison.

I suggested the DP wishers just concentrate on user needs but they
seem to not understand the word 'need' which is not uncommon in
application design scenarios. Many times in the past when a product
was eventually finished I have said to clients if only you told me
what you really wanted it would have been dead easy and available
early - response - we did not know what we wanted until we saw it.
Typical!

Once the dust has settled if you were to offer a very simple DP
solution then I suggest it will satisfy 70% of XY 'moaners' but you
will be cast into oblivion by the remaining 30% - tough! It is there
loss to miss out on the XY experience (in fact, they may just remain
as sleeping users because to abandon XY is just silly when it can
offer things others cannot even come close too)

Finally, another consideration which I think is of more concern. You,
as a one man band, have only so much time to develop XY and whilst you
can exploit the innovative stuff the competition are relegated to
'following' your example. To divert now into a major DP development
buys you nothing but it does give the competition time to copy you and
claim superiority.

Please don't waste time replying, I wanted to get this off my chest
and writing it in the forum is a waste of time because the DP
advocates have tunnel vision and as I see are not prepared to think
compromise. Having made a sensible offer, I think if a compromise
solution can now be made which takes a short time to implement then go
for it otherwise - bin it now.

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Re: Damaged folders in Voyager

2008-04-18 Thread Nick Danger
Reply to message sent 04/18/2008, @ 08:33:06 (1:33 AM Locally)
~~~
Hello Maurice,

 I'm experiencing a lot of problems with damaged folders in my Voyager
 installation.

 1) What can I do to prevent this from happening again?
 2) What is the best procedure to restore Voyager from a backup?

I'm afraid I can't really help with the questions but I can state I
have lived through this also. It seems once a folder gets corrupted
somehow it's lights out and there's no fixing it. I had to finally
just delete the folders that were giving me problems and start over
with them.

I spent days fooling with them and in the end I lost messages.
Backups didn't help as every time I restored a backup I just got the
corrupted folders back. I never mentioned it here as I have no idea
what causes them to go bad. If it was repeatable I'd have hoisted a
flag, but since it just happens out of the blue it's hard to report a
specific problem.

Although, it is at times like this that I wish encryption with
Voyager was optional.

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[no subject]

2008-04-18 Thread Graham
 
Hello tbbetas,
   
   
Sorry about the previous wrong submission however it was as a result
of a bug!

I had opened a new mail from TBBETA folder and seeing this then
deleted it and selected the correct addressee. Although the deletion
appeared visually to work in practice it did not and it retained the
deleted address and sent it to you.

Moderator - can you delete this from the forum please.

Can others confirm this as a bug.
 

Best regards,   Graham

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Re[2]: Damaged folders in Voyager

2008-04-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I am also experiencing similar symptoms with corrupted folders in Voyager, and 
indeed always did have this problem - while very impressed with the Voyager 
concept. Corruption is random so difficult to establish any pattern. I have 
tried different USB sticks and always found Corsairs Flash Voyager GT the 
best, with 100% data integrity - but still corruption of EMail folders, so the 
problem is NOT with the USB stick - unless the problem may be related to the 
flushing of cache.

I was advised to keep the Inbox as small as possible and while this improved 
matters it is not a 100% cure.

Without the option to drop encryption, the recovery of folders is almost 
impossible.

One utility of great use would be an automated synchronising tool to allow 
Voyager users to synchronize with The Bat on their home/office PC. This would 
have the additional benefit of allowing partial recover of corrupted folders on 
the USB stick.

The Voyager concept is brilliant - keep up the good work and let's see it 
improve, especially the integrity of folders.


Best regards,
Hamish
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===8==Original message text===
Reply to message sent 04/18/2008, @ 08:33:06 (1:33 AM Locally)
~~~
Hello Maurice,

 I'm experiencing a lot of problems with damaged folders in my Voyager
 installation.

 1) What can I do to prevent this from happening again?
 2) What is the best procedure to restore Voyager from a backup?

I'm afraid I can't really help with the questions but I can state I
have lived through this also. It seems once a folder gets corrupted
somehow it's lights out and there's no fixing it. I had to finally
just delete the folders that were giving me problems and start over
with them.

I spent days fooling with them and in the end I lost messages.
Backups didn't help as every time I restored a backup I just got the
corrupted folders back. I never mentioned it here as I have no idea
what causes them to go bad. If it was repeatable I'd have hoisted a
flag, but since it just happens out of the blue it's hard to report a
specific problem.

Although, it is at times like this that I wish encryption with
Voyager was optional.

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Mod: Top posting (was: Damaged folders in Voyager)

2008-04-18 Thread Roelof Otten
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HAN Best regards,
HAN Hamish
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HAN Reply to message sent 04/18/2008, @ 08:33:06 (1:33 AM Locally)
HAN ~~~
HAN Hello Maurice,

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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

2008-04-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jay,

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:51:47 +0300 GMT (18/04/2008, 11:51 +0700 GMT),
Jay Walker wrote:

 JW It seems that this is broken once more in 4.0.20.2.

 Not confirmed. Works fine here.

JW Thomas, have you tried to drag a message from TB to a new message that
JW must be restored from the taskbar? I used to be able to do that in
JW 3.99.29. In 4.0.20.2, I can only drag to a message that is not hidden.

No, not from the task bar. I didn't know this ever worked. I dragged
the message directly from the folder view into the editor.

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Mod: HTML use (was: Damaged folders in Voyager)

2008-04-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo [EMAIL PROTECTED],

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:28:38 +0100GMT (18-4-2008, 16:28, where I
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HAN I am also experiencing similar symptoms with corrupted folders
HAN in Voyager, and indeed always did have this 

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Re:

2008-04-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Graham,

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:32:27 +0100GMT (18-4-2008, 15:32 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

G Sorry about the previous wrong submission however it was as a result
G of a bug!

Not quite a bug, maybe unexpected for you, but this is the reason that
we discourage the use of selfaddressing folder templates.

G I had opened a new mail from TBBETA folder and seeing this then
G deleted it and selected the correct addressee. Although the deletion
G appeared visually to work in practice it did not and it retained the
G deleted address and sent it to you.

When you want to use a self addressing folder template use the macro
%ModifyOnce('To')%- before you use the %To= macro. Header changing
macros are interpreted more than once, so you've got to disable that.

G Moderator - can you delete this from the forum please.

Can't be done. This isn't a forum, but a mailing list, so your message
has been sent to all subscribers and we don't have access to their
message base.

G Can others confirm this as a bug.

Behaviour is confirmed, but not as a bug, but as a WAD.

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Re: Annoying behavior (Unread Tab)

2008-04-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Mark,

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:35:26 +0200 GMT (18/04/2008, 15:35 +0700 GMT),
Mark Partous wrote:

TF However, if you have read all messages in a folder, it still jumps to
TF the bottom instead of staying where it belongs.

MP When I added a note saying the problem was solved, I did not have many
MP folders with unread messages in them for some time.

You can easily test this by marking several messages in a number of
folders as unread.

MP However, when you do have a lot of such folders, it is still a
MP rather annoying behaviour...

I have over 100 folders in the office. At any given morning, there are
unread messages in 10-30 of them, totalling about 100 new messages.

No, I don't have to reply to all of them, in many cases I'm just cc'ed
in. However, without TB!'s superior folder management and filtering
systems, it would take me a lot longer to get started in the morning.
The Unread tab was a great improvement!

But the current behaviour of the Unread tab is the reason I have still
not upgraded from 3.99.x in the office, even though the Korean
encoding bug is fixed, and the URL Download Manager also important for
business newsletters from service providers. The Unread tab is more
important for me now, as it greatly improves efficiency. In its
previous incarnation, that is.

For myself, the current behaviour is therefore a show-stopper.

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Re: Damaged folders in Voyager

2008-04-18 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/18/2008  11:05 AM

Hi Maurice,

On 4/18/2008 Maurice Snellen wrote:

MS One thing I also noted is that the foldername listed in the error
MS saying it couldn't read the messages.ebb is not the same as the
MS foldername listed when I look at the folder's properties.
The folder name is supposed to be gibberish.

MS 2) What is the best procedure to restore Voyager from a backup?

I have seen message base corruption happen under two conditions. One
is low free space on the drive/partition that the message base is
located. The other is when I get impatient and do not allow enough
time for a process to complete.

If you have a file named *.BIN in the affected folder it has worked
for me to delete the other files in the folder and rename the *.bin
file to Messages.ebb. Of course this is done after closing Voyager and
a copy of the folder is placed somewhere in case it is needed again.

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Re[3]: Damaged folders in Voyager

2008-04-18 Thread Vili
 One utility of great use would be an automated synchronising tool to
 allow Voyager users to synchronize with The Bat on their home/office
 PC.

Just  an  idea,  that  I am using: I use Voyager on desktop and laptop
PCs. If I have to go on a trip, copy a directory on the USB stick (and
replace  the  license file, as I described it a while ago) and hit the
road.

Also, very easy to use e.g. StuffIt or winrar or something else to ZIP
that one dir every night, so have daily backup.

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Re: Feature Request

2008-04-18 Thread MAU
Hello Munango-Keewati,

 One of the features I still miss from PMMail (I've been using TB for
 three or four years now) is the ability to set a filter action to
 pop up a message box with a user-defined message.  Any chance of
 getting this added to TB's wealth of features?


You may want to support this: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6028


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Re[2]: Feature Request

2008-04-18 Thread Vili
 One of the features I still miss from PMMail (I've been using TB for
 three or four years now) is the ability to set a filter action to
 pop up a message box with a user-defined message.  Any chance of
 getting this added to TB's wealth of features?
 You may want to support this:
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6028

I wrote a small program now in Delphi 3 for this. 190 kB.

It contains a TMemo component, the only code is:

procedure TForm1.FormShow(Sender: TObject);
begin
 //Stay on top
 with Self do 
SetWindowPos(Handle,HWND_TOPMOST,Left,Top,Width,Height,SWP_NOACTIVATE or 
SWP_NOMOVE or SWP_NOSIZE);
 //Display the first command line parameter
 If ParamCount0 Then Memo1.Lines.Add(Paramstr(1));
end;

If you setup a filter, Run external command, set a Command line like:

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Processing\TBAlert.exe Text to display

then it will popup a window that stays on top until you close it. I
allow to write into that memo box, if you need to.

http://www.thebat.hu/TBAlert.exe

Download, copy somewhere and point to that file in the filter and add
the custom text. Simple for things like You've got mail.

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Video Issue?

2008-04-18 Thread Rick
I am noticing an issue that is happening only in The Bat
I keep the Bat open all day
as the day progresses (after quite a while) the bat will slow down
i.e. I will use the down arrow to move to another message and it will
hesitate before moving or if I mouse click on another message the
display won't update in the preview window for a couple of seconds.
Running the maintenance center dosen't help
Clearing the cache doesn't help
Closing and reopening the bat fixes the problem - which will reoccur
over the next few hours

Also closing at night - after clearing everything and running the
maintenance center, I close the bat - the folders that compress will
do so quickly but if the bat has been up a while the bat's window can
stay visible for the best part of a minute. If I minimize to the tray
and close it from there it is gone instantly
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VBScript (WAS Feature Request)

2008-04-18 Thread Munango-Keewati
On Friday, April 18, 2008, 1:16:37 PM, Vili wrote:
 You may want to support this:
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6028

Done.

 I wrote a small program now in Delphi 3 for this. 190 kB.
...
 http://www.thebat.hu/TBAlert.exe
...
 Download, copy somewhere and point to that file in the filter and add
 the custom text. Simple for things like You've got mail.

Thank you very much.  This will do the job for me.

Obviously my search skills are grossly inferior to Jens Franik's, but
I had time to play with this some more today, and worked up a script
that performed quite well outside TB. Unfortunately it won't run from
TB. I suspect that TB won't execute vbs files, but of course I could
be overlooking something in the code that TB is blocking. Aside from
being tiny, it also allows up to five parameters (arguments) to be
passed to it.

Just in case anyone would like to take it farther, I'm including the
code below:

'mailalert.vbs
Dim objArgs, vNum, vMsg, Arg(5)
Set objArgs = WScript.Arguments.Unnamed

For vNum = 0 to objArgs.Count - 1
If vNum  6 Then
Arg(vNum) = objArgs(vNum)
End if
Next

vMsg = Type:   Arg(0)  Chr(13)  _
Chr(13)  _
From:   Arg(1)  Chr(13)  _
Subject:   Arg(2)  Chr(13)  _
Filter:   Arg(3)  Chr(13)  _
Other Info:   Arg(4)
MsgBox vMsg, VBOkay, E-Mail Alert . . .
Wscript.Quit

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HTML still needs some work

2008-04-18 Thread Roger Phillips
Hello All,

I  know  HTML  is  like  a  red  rag  to  a bull as far as some TB users are
concerned,  but  nevertheless  it does have its uses and it *is* used in the
commercial world. Read on:

An  elderly  neighbour  of  mine  received  an e-mail from an airline giving
details  of  her  flight details etc. and she needed to print it in order to
book  in  for  her  flight. Her computer could not deal with it and I agreed
that  she should send the message to me to try. It turned out it was an HTML
message.

TB  displayed  the message perfectly but made a mess of the printing! The RH
ends of the lines were cut off, it did not print the colour of the text (not
serious!) and did not print some lines at all (white on green background).

I  tried  opening the attachment in an external application but got an AV. I
then  saved the file and opened it from Opera which displayed and printed it
perfectly.  

Out  of  curiosity  I then tried opening it in MS Word but the *display* had
errors, some of which disappeared in the printing!

Obviously HTML is thus not the easiest of languages to deal with, but I urge
our  developers  to  press on with its development in TB, if they want TB to
get maximum penetration into the world of commerce.

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Re: HTML still needs some work

2008-04-18 Thread Dan Lester
I've never had a big problem viewing HTML in TB, but when I want to
really view something, much less print, I open it in IE7.  Why?  It
works.  Most important for the problems described, it resizes things
to fit in the print area of the page.  No more chopped off edges of
lines, of having to Print Preview and then rotate to landscape format,
etc, etc.  The tabs are mighty handy too.

No, not pushing IE7 or anything else, just the idea that we should use
the right tool for the job, and for that reason fancy work on TB isn't
vital to me.  

Friday, April 18, 2008, 10:43:44 PM, you wrote:


 TB  displayed  the message perfectly but made a mess of the printing! The RH
 ends of the lines were cut off, it did not print the colour of the text (not
 serious!) and did not print some lines at all (white on green background).



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Dan Lester, Boise, ID  




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Re: Messages cannot be dragged from messages list to Editor window

2008-04-18 Thread Jay Walker
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 JW Thomas, have you tried to drag a message from TB to a new message that
 JW must be restored from the taskbar? I used to be able to do that in
 JW 3.99.29. In 4.0.20.2, I can only drag to a message that is not hidden.

 No, not from the task bar. I didn't know this ever worked. I dragged
 the message directly from the folder view into the editor.

I think you are right, Thomas. Perhaps it was just my imagination - an
unfulfilled wish - that we could do it. :-)

-- 
jaywalker
Windows XP Pro SP2
The Bat! Pro 4.0.20.2


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