Re[2]: messages go missing
11/23/2008 8:38 AM Hi Thomas, On 11/22/2008 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF We are not talking about a glitch or bug in TB!. TB! is WAD. The TF discussion is about whether the design needs to be changed in order to TF cater to one non-standard email provider. I say no, you say yes. Fine. I agree! It is absurd to adulterate any program so it functions with something as poorly designed as Gmail. TF The reason is Gmail... If a message is not imported, why does Gmail TF prevent a second download attempt? I suggest to change email provider, TF as TB! already re-downloads by default. Only Gmail doesn't let it. Amen! After testing I wrote Gmail off for me and my customers. For many reasons! TF Really? You seem to know about the inner workings of TB! than Stefan, TF who said the same - and it is my experience also. Yes, I've been in TF the situation that one or more mails couldn't be imported, no problem: TF TB! downloaded them again next time. Of course, I don't use Gmail. Same goes for me and my customers. - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.4.0.34 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Ctrl+A stopps working after opening spell checking context menu
Hello, open editor, try Ctrl+A, it works. Now write incorrect word, which is underlined as not correctly spelled and use Right mouse button for opening context menu with suggestions. Close context menu and try Ctrl+A again - it does not work now. reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7345 -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Duplicate warning about unsaved edited message when exiting program
Hello, anybody can confirm this please? I have opened editor entered text and tried to exit program - warning about unsaved message appeared - when I hit OK, same warning appeared again. I have set Reproducibility as Sometimes, because I have such problem twice per week, but when I want to reproduce, program asks once only, so I do not know correct conditions to clearly reproduce. reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7336 -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: messages go missing
Hello Thomas, I don't want any red windows. I'm not user v1.0, the log is enough. DE Sorry you are wrong here. Interesting. I checked again and I still don't want any red windows. KV Unfortunately, it is not about you. No, it's about Gmail's non-standard behaviour. This is a non-issue for most people. No, you are wrong. It is about LETTING THE USER KNOW if there is an error in receiving mails. KV I am sure, that your majesty reads all programs' manual, all fineprint KV of the credit cards and medicines. No need to be sarcastic. It won't help the discussion and development of ideas. Why, being selfish does? KV The same applies here. You can be suspicious. I dont want to be. I and KV the other 99.9% of the users of TB want to be notified about problems. KV (I know, believe me, shit falls down to me and I believe, to Marek, KV too, if TB has a glitch. Glitch: for example unfixed bugs in the last KV version of TB, that had C/S support.) And want to know how to deal KV with it. We are not talking about a glitch or bug in TB!. TB! is WAD. The discussion is about whether the design needs to be changed in order to cater to one non-standard email provider. I say no, you say yes. Fine. Thomas: please read again the thread. Read your mails. It is not about GMail anymore. It is about IF THE MAILS ARE NOT IMPORTED FOR ANY REASON, the log is not enough. Please don't let TB! go the way for the stupidest user imaginable. KV Unfortunately, TB is a commercial product. It HAS TO BE PREPARED KV for everybody, including the stupidest user. Dont forget: you KV can be a stupidest user of ... e.g. a car, a chemical, a KV prescription drug, etc. Not everybody lives in a country where this product may be hot has to be printed on a hot coffee cup in big red letters. Who you are talking about? What I talk about: nobody is expert in everything. Not everybody wants to know how everything works. E.g. I know how caffeine works in your body. You just drink the coffee. I bet, you did not know that it is its metabolite that responsible for its effect, right? (Dont Google it now.) I am a chemist, you are not. We are different. DE What if you have gone away from your computer for a cup of DE coffee. A message of two could not be saved because of space. DE Then because of a process that you are running e.g. a clean up, DE space becomes available it can then download the next set of DE messages. Then the message will be downloaded whne the space is available. It is KV Aha. Say an important message cannot be downloaded because of this. KV And you agree with this. Interesting business attitude... If there is no space in your harddisk, you will have other problems. And, if it happens so regularly that you need your email client to tell you, you should review your policies with regards to disk space usage. Shit man, try to understand that NOT EVERYBODY wants to be an expert. Am I vulgar now? Yes. I deal with users of TB every day. And this kind of small issues will kill TB on the long run. KV Dont forget: TB is used by corporate users. TB is a business tool for KV them. Not glitches allowed. Or if recognized, must be fixed. Correct, but there is no glitch here. Ok, then something that can be improved on. Easily. only on Gmail that this doesn't work, so don't use Gmail.Don't give me red windows for all my accounts just because of Gmail's non-standard behaviour. KV We moved over GMail a long time ago. This conversation is about failed KV import of messages FOR ANY REASON. The reason is Gmail... If a message is not imported, why does Gmail prevent a second download attempt? I suggest to change email provider, as TB! already re-downloads by default. Only Gmail doesn't let it. BUT: the user should know about if the mail download is UNSUCCESSFUL for any reason. DE In this case the warning would have gone past in the status bar, DE you would not have noticed. I don't want to, because TB! attempts to downlaod the message again until it has been successfully imported into the message base. KV Nonsense... Really? You seem to know about the inner workings of TB! than Stefan, who said the same - and it is my experience also. Yes, I've been in the situation that one or more mails couldn't be imported, no problem: TB! downloaded them again next time. Of course, I don't use Gmail. I used the word nonsense for that it is acceptable for you to wait until a mail can be downloaded. What if it cannot be downloaded for hours??? DE And you call this a 'stupid' user. DE I would like a warning box with some detail, if necessary it can DE be switched off for the 'intelligent' users. Turn it off by default. KV No. Hardwire it in. Just in case somebody uses Gmail... Nice suggestion. If I would read this conversation to my 5 year olds, they would understand that IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL... Should I spell it? Vili
Re[3]: messages go missing
Hello Paul, TF We are not talking about a glitch or bug in TB!. TB! is WAD. The TF discussion is about whether the design needs to be changed in order to TF cater to one non-standard email provider. I say no, you say yes. Fine. I agree! It is absurd to adulterate any program so it functions with something as poorly designed as Gmail. TF The reason is Gmail... If a message is not imported, why does Gmail TF prevent a second download attempt? I suggest to change email provider, TF as TB! already re-downloads by default. Only Gmail doesn't let it. Amen! After testing I wrote Gmail off for me and my customers. For many reasons! TF Really? You seem to know about the inner workings of TB! than Stefan, TF who said the same - and it is my experience also. Yes, I've been in TF the situation that one or more mails couldn't be imported, no problem: TF TB! downloaded them again next time. Of course, I don't use Gmail. Same goes for me and my customers. IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL. Please read the mails we exchanged. Vili Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RTV viewer : selecting text via Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right Arrow broken
Hello, select RTV viewer, click to some word and try to mark text via Ctrl+Shift+Left Arrow or Ctrl+Shift+Right Arrow - it is possible to select current word only reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7346 -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: messages go missing
11/23/2008 4:59 PM Hi Kertész, On 11/23/2008 Kertész Vilmos wrote: KV IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL. Please read the mails we exchanged. KV Vili KV KV Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: KV http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html I have been reading the thread. For practical purposes it is about Gmail. I have hundreds of TB users in many countries around the world. I teach them about the Log because I want them to be aware and enabled, not controlled by ignorance. On the _very rare_ occasion that a message doesn't download they know where to look for the reason, and, can view all of the account activity. Also, all users are taught how to use the webmail interface for their account(s). How many times have you, or another user, had this problem with a service other than Gmail? It was Gmail that started this thread. It is still about Gmail with a miniscule need for this using other providers. I am not against an error message for non-downloadable messages. I am totally against a large _red_ panic message as you suggest. - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.4.0.34 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:messages go missing
Hello Paul, Historians believe that on 23 November 2008 , at 17:14:49[GMT -0500](which was 22:14 where I live) you wrote: KV IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL. Please read the mails we exchanged. I have been reading the thread. For practical purposes it is about Gmail. I started this thread, and at no point did state I had a problem with Gmail. I just had a problem. What I am concerned about is that The Bat! had a problem and did not inform me that it had a problem. I have hundreds of TB users in many countries around the world. I teach them about the Log because I want them to be aware and enabled, not controlled by ignorance. On the _very rare_ occasion that a message doesn't download they know where to look for the reason, and, can view all of the account activity. Yes it is rare, it is that rare that you don't always look for it. If I was informed that it could not download a message then I could do something about it. No information no action. One of my jobs has been as system admin as such I always wanted to be informed if there was a problem. If I could not guarantee that a system would inform me of an error the I would set it up to inform me of a success. I always assume that no error message means that everything is OK. If something goes wrong I want to know. As I stated earlier, I don't care who's fault it is I just want to know. Also, all users are taught how to use the webmail interface for their account(s). Some account don't have such a thing. How many times have you, or another user, had this problem with a service other than Gmail? Not many. That means that on the rare occasion that there is a problem I want to know. It was Gmail that started this thread. It is still about Gmail with a miniscule need for this using other providers. NO. I did not state it was gmail. I just said I had a problem. I am not against an error message for non-downloadable messages. Good. I am totally against a large _red_ panic message as you suggest. Just let The Bat! tell me some how. -- Cheers David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought for the day : Wide awake in dreamland. pgpH5UjNR1RnH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: messages go missing
On Sunday, November 23, 2008, 4:54:58 PM, David Elliott wrote: I started this thread, and at no point did state I had a problem with Gmail. I just had a problem. are you saying that you didn't mention gmail at first, or that the problem was with some service other than gmail? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: messages go missing
Hello Van Noord, KV IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL. Please read the mails we exchanged. I have been reading the thread. For practical purposes it is about Gmail. No. If you really read it, it is about that when a mail downloaded but not imported, let the user know it. Put it into their face. I have hundreds of TB users in many countries around the world. I teach them about the Log because I want them to be aware and enabled, not controlled by ignorance. You dont see the point here. It is about John Doe, who buys TB from Cifnet with his credit card, and does not want to look at a 1-line pane at the bottom of his screen IF TB does not work as it is designed.. And even if he does, what does he see there? Please read Elliott's initial mail. Better, I paste his log: 19/11/2008, 19:46:31: FETCH - receiving mail messages 19/11/2008, 19:46:33: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 1A2280FB, algorithm: RSA (512 bits), issued from 29/10/2008 22:32:35 to 24/10/2028 22:32:35, for 1 host(s): pop.gmail.com. 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - Owner: EN, pop.gmail.com. 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - This certificate is self-issued. 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - TLS handshake complete 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - connected to POP3 server 19/11/2008, 19:46:35: FETCH - authenticated (plain) 19/11/2008, 19:46:35: FETCH - 3 messages in the mailbox, 3 new 19/11/2008, 19:46:36: FETCH - Received message from Mark Laridon [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 3065 bytes, subject: Meeting Wednesday 3rd December 19/11/2008, 19:46:36: FETCH - Received message from Geoff Boult [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 3640 bytes, subject: VAT 19/11/2008, 19:46:36: FETCH - Received message from Mark Laridon [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 3397 bytes, subject: Re: VAT !19/11/2008, 19:47:08: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat623.tmp) !19/11/2008, 19:47:43: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat624.tmp) !19/11/2008, 19:48:13: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat625.tmp) 19/11/2008, 19:48:13: FETCH - connection finished - 3 messages received Last line: oh, wow, 3 messages received? (That is what they see in that 1-line status window.) TB WAD? Everything is ok? Where in the hell is that 3 received mail??? Where it is described in the manual what that FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat623.tmp) means? Huh??? I dont remember such section. You teach your TB customers (not really TB customers, I am sure, they dont pay _only_ for TB) this too I am sarcastic? Yes, you bet. My intention is to make TB better. If it needs sarcasm, let's go that way. On the _very rare_ occasion that a message doesn't download they know where to look for the reason, and, can view all of the account activity. How can you differentiate between: a.) connection is ok, but mails cannot be imported or b.) everything was ok? Check the log all the time? Also, all users are taught how to use the webmail interface for their account(s). Why the hell is this important here? I know only one reason: you want to show how great you are. Ok, I send you a pin for this. How many times have you, or another user, had this problem with a service other than Gmail? This is what shows your ignorance. When a bug detected, that should be corrected. Even if the chance that bug causing a problem is slim. That is called good programming attitude. I repeat: if the bug DETECTED and known. And please, can we finally forget GMail??? It was Gmail that started this thread. It is still about Gmail with a miniscule need for this using other providers. So, if somebody would cut your phone and internet lines, what would you say if your provider would say: Sir, it just affects you, so who cares...? You are totally ignorant... I am not against an error message for non-downloadable messages. I am totally against a large _red_ panic message as you suggest. Ok, it can be blue if that helps. :) Vili Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: messages go missing
Hello Kertész, On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:16:04 +0100 GMT (24/11/2008, 02:16 +0700 GMT), Kertész Vilmos wrote: KV If I would read this conversation to my 5 year olds, they would KV understand that IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL... Should I spell it? Since you are yelling and insulting, the thread is closed for me. -- Cheers, Thomas. Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at bowling alleys. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: messages go missing
Hello David, On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:54:58 + GMT (24/11/2008, 05:54 +0700 GMT), David Elliott wrote: Also, all users are taught how to use the webmail interface for their account(s). DE Some account don't have such a thing. www.mail2web.com -- Cheers, Thomas. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
