Re:messages go missing
Hola Thomas, Historians believe that on 24 November 2008 , at 09:26:50[GMT +0700](which was 02:26 where I live) you wrote: Also, all users are taught how to use the webmail interface for their account(s). DE Some account don't have such a thing. www.mail2web.com LOL. -- Cheers David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought for the day : Wide awake in dreamland. running TB! ver 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) on Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition 5.2.3790 pgpnHzOalKo5Y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:messages go missing
Hello Kertész, Historians believe that on 24 November 2008 , at 03:29:03[GMT +0100](which was 02:29 where I live) you wrote: KV IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL. Please read the mails we exchanged. I have been reading the thread. For practical purposes it is about Gmail. No. If you really read it, it is about that when a mail downloaded but not imported, let the user know it. Put it into their face. Correct !! -- Cheers David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought for the day : Wide awake in dreamland. pgpq8rE6pJ9Ji.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:messages go missing
Hola Dwight, Historians believe that on 24 November 2008 , at 18:06:46[GMT -0600](which was 00:06 where I live) you wrote: I started this thread, and at no point did state I had a problem with Gmail. I just had a problem. are you saying that you didn't mention gmail at first, or that the problem was with some service other than gmail? I did not state gmail. It was in the log. My gripe here is that TB! had a problem and I was not informed. I personally don't care where the problem originates. I just want to know about it. -- Cheers David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought for the day : Wide awake in dreamland. running TB! ver 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) on Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition 5.2.3790 pgpTtn1iIlC5j.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: messages go missing
KV If I would read this conversation to my 5 year olds, they would KV understand that IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL... Should I spell it? Since you are yelling and insulting, the thread is closed for me. Now that I showed you some facts (e.g. log from the thread starting email) that you cannot argue with, you go and hide. Typical... Where I live it is called coward behaviour. /sarcasm on I used capitals as I thought you can't read lowercase letters. I gave it a try. I just tried to help. /sarcasm off. If you are an adult, sarcasm should not bother you. Learn from it. I learnt from it. I did not know that TB does not send the DELETE command to the server until the mail is imported successfully. But I also learnt, that it gives you a FETCH - connection finished - 3 messages received in the log, even if it was an unsuccessful download. What do you say about it? I know that you read this email, we both know. The reason I am upset: a.) it does not matter how many times I tell you that what this thread is about b.) I try to make TB BETTER with this. That is my moral high ground. Yes, maybe I am a little rough with my words, but on the longer run -I hope- it will move TB forward. TB is an excellent client, but unfortunately the support (manual, undocumented features), small glitches (see the bug list) drive some people from it. I believe, that ANY problem that is or can be seen (and unsuccessful import, even if that is because of an antivirus) as the fault of TB, should be displayed. As Davis said: he does not care what the reason is, he need a solution. -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: messages go missing
I started this thread, and at no point did state I had a problem with Gmail. I just had a problem. are you saying that you didn't mention gmail at first, or that the problem was with some service other than gmail? I did not state gmail. It was in the log. My gripe here is that TB! had a problem and I was not informed. I personally don't care where the problem originates. I just want to know about it. To be clear, there were two issues. 1. a mail cannot be downloaded again (by default) from GMail, once it was downloaded. It is a GMail issue, and unfortunately if TB fails to import the downloaded mails, you cannot download them again (by default). Nobody argues that GMail and a POP3 client is not the best combination. But, I believe, Google's intention was to use their web interface, so you can see their ads. Understandable. 2. poor alerting the user if mails cannot be imported into TB. This thread -except the first some mails- is about this issue. Just some people cannot/does not want to read. Please understand that not everybody is a TB expert. Even if they would read the manual... -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: messages go missing
On Monday, November 24, 2008, 8:32:07 AM, Vili wrote: To be clear, there were two issues. 1. a mail cannot be downloaded again (by default) from GMail, once it was downloaded. It is a GMail issue, and unfortunately if TB fails to import the downloaded mails, you cannot download them again (by default). I am getting more and more to agree with Thomas. I don't think any of my software should be designed to be a nuisance to me because someone else provides malformed product. Especially when there are user options which will avoid this problem in the first place. Gmail has a perfectly good (as far as I can tell) IMAP interface. It has a fairly reasonable web interface. My choice has been to have my gmail mail forwarded to an account where I can deal with all my incoming email in one place. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: messages go missing
On Monday, November 24, 2008, 8:21:42 AM, Vili wrote: KV If I would read this conversation to my 5 year olds, they would KV understand that IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL... Should I spell it? Since you are yelling and insulting, the thread is closed for me. Now that I showed you some facts (e.g. log from the thread starting email) that you cannot argue with, you go and hide. Typical... Where I live it is called coward behaviour. /sarcasm on I used capitals as I thought you can't read lowercase letters. I gave it a try. I just tried to help. /sarcasm off. AND IT IS ABOUT GMAIL. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: messages go missing
KV If I would read this conversation to my 5 year olds, they would KV understand that IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL... Should I spell it? Since you are yelling and insulting, the thread is closed for me. Now that I showed you some facts (e.g. log from the thread starting email) that you cannot argue with, you go and hide. Typical... Where I live it is called coward behaviour. /sarcasm on I used capitals as I thought you can't read lowercase letters. I gave it a try. I just tried to help. /sarcasm off. AND IT IS ABOUT GMAIL. I just dont believe it... You send two mails. In the first one, where you reply to another mail of mine, and I mention two issues, you trim off the second part, which IS the subject of this thread for a long time now... I asked it from Paul as well, please answer with a simple yes or no: This is David's log: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 19/11/2008, 19:46:31: FETCH - receiving mail messages 19/11/2008, 19:46:33: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 1A2280FB, algorithm: RSA (512 bits), issued from 29/10/2008 22:32:35 to 24/10/2028 22:32:35, for 1 host(s): pop.gmail.com. 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - Owner: EN, pop.gmail.com. 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - This certificate is self-issued. 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - TLS handshake complete 19/11/2008, 19:46:34: FETCH - connected to POP3 server 19/11/2008, 19:46:35: FETCH - authenticated (plain) 19/11/2008, 19:46:35: FETCH - 3 messages in the mailbox, 3 new 19/11/2008, 19:46:36: FETCH - Received message from Mark Laridon [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 3065 bytes, subject: Meeting Wednesday 3rd December 19/11/2008, 19:46:36: FETCH - Received message from Geoff Boult [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 3640 bytes, subject: VAT 19/11/2008, 19:46:36: FETCH - Received message from Mark Laridon [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 3397 bytes, subject: Re: VAT !19/11/2008, 19:47:08: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat623.tmp) !19/11/2008, 19:47:43: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat624.tmp) !19/11/2008, 19:48:13: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOCUME~1\Davide\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat625.tmp) 19/11/2008, 19:48:13: FETCH - connection finished - 3 messages received -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Is the last line correct or not? Simple yes or no, please. Your answer is NOT RELATED TO GMAIL. It could be any server. The mails are downloaded, could not stored and still connection finished - 3 messages received (last line.) I try not to be sarcastic. Ok. Let's base this discussion on facts. You see the facts above. Waiting your answer. -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: RTV viewer : selecting text via Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right Arrow broken
Hello Marek, Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:51:15 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): select RTV viewer, click to some word and try to mark text via Ctrl+Shift+Left Arrow or Ctrl+Shift+Right Arrow - it is possible to select current word only Confirmed. -- Best regards, Costas Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Boxes and options in Account properties have fixed size even dialog is resizable
Hello, some builds ago, resizing of Account properties dialog was implemented regarding to new templates editor. But even dialog is resized, boxes and options are not resized, they have fixed width. Check folder properties, where it works. reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7347 -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: messages go missing)
Hallo Dwight, On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:38:33 -0600GMT (24-11-2008, 17:38, where I live), you wrote: DAC AND IT IS ABOUT GMAIL. Everything that can be said about this topic has been said. It's now up to the development team to do something with this or not. Please let's not make a religious issue out of this. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Dwight. ' This topic has become far too heated and I am forced to pronounce it dead. We, the moderators, pride ourselves on keeping the tone of this list one of sensible exchange of opinion and peer support. This thread no longer conforms to either basic tenet. Please take it off-list or to TBOT. For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof At least the moderator replies to my messages. pgpzwBzOzg8BJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert/Overwrite mode not available when composing HTML messages
Hello all, Monday, November 24, 2008, Ian A. White wrote: When composing HTML messages you only have Insert mode available. There is no overwrite mode possible. Pressing the Ins key sees no change in behaviour. Is this a bug or by design? as I remember, overwrite mode is not available in Windows/HTML editor component. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
4.0.39.27 - quick templates
Hi, after I have lost all quick templates I tried today to install them new, but after closing and a new opening of TheBat they are not any more there! What is the reason for this and what can I do? -- Best regards, Roland Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.39.27 - quick templates
Hello all, Monday, November 24, 2008, Roland Burger wrote: after I have lost all quick templates I tried today to install them new, but after closing and a new opening of TheBat they are not any more there! What is the reason for this and what can I do? how did You lost them? common or account related? do You have Account.qtb file in account folder or MAIL folder? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cannot use custom.dic
Hello all, Current (beta) version does not use custom.dic (CSAPI) and it doesn't even appear in the Dictionaries list or the contextual menu (Dictionary to add to). Any confirmations or comments? Using TB! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Win2k SP4, with Avast and Bayer Filter plugins. -- Best regards, M. Diaz Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Duplicate warning about unsaved edited message when exiting program
Hello all, Sunday, November 23, 2008, Peter Hampf wrote: MM - warning about unsaved message appeared - when I hit OK, same warning MM appeared again. TB asks Save the message here and offers Yes/No/Cancel - but no OK button at all. Also it reacts correctly if I press Yes or No or Cancel. I have found correct condition: when You open editor and write something, wait until TB saves message automatically and then try to exit TB with this editor opened - TB asks twice -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
send-to strange behavior
Hi Tbbeta, try sending an zip-file from explorer with right-mouse button send-to-E-Mail the chooser for the appropriate Accounts pops under! ;-) I have to click the button from the task bar to put it in front. After choosing the right account, there i can't see no Attachment and all my templates for new message, won't work. If I try to send another Attachment, before I close this particular message window (without the attachment) - nothing happens. After sending the E-Mail the new Choose-Account-Dialog pops under Too many Bugs for my Gusto :0) Can anyone confirm? Using Windows XP SP3 and theBat! home 4.0.37.26 -- Gruß Roman __ Dipl.-Inform. Roman Mülchen Fakultät II Informatik, Wirtschafts- und Rechtswissenschaften Institut für Rechtswissenschaften C.v.O. Universität Oldenburg 26111 Oldenburg Tel.: (+49) 441 798 4092 Fax: (+49) 441 798 4136 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cannot use custom.dic
Hello Manuel, Current (beta) version does not use custom.dic (CSAPI) and it doesn't even appear in the Dictionaries list or the contextual menu (Dictionary to add to). Any confirmations or comments? You are darn right! I had not noticed until you reported it today. I guess I had not noticed because I have had no need to add any word to CSAPI user dictionaries. I don't know when this broke again (in which version), but I have verified that user dics are not available in 4.0.39.27. I have gone back several version (up to 4.0.34.11 ALPHA) and same thing, no CSAPI user dics. I can't go back to any earlier version because of change of message base indexes. I have re-opened this BT report which was closed last Feb: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6735 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.39.27 - quick templates
Hi Marek, on Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:39:53 +0100 you wrote with MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: Hello all, Monday, November 24, 2008, Roland Burger wrote: after I have lost all quick templates I tried today to install them new, but after closing and a new opening of TheBat they are not any more there! What is the reason for this and what can I do? how did You lost them? common or account related? do You have Account.qtb file in account folder or MAIL folder? I tried to make them for one account, usable for all accounts. There is no account.qtb! PS.: I had to copy and paste due to the missing templates! -- Best regards, Roland Schnellvorlage TB konnte nicht gefunden werden Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
