Re: IMAP
Dwight, On Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:39:05 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. While I agree that it is better than it once was, I certainly would not classify its major failings as 'quirkiness.' The biggest problem remains message counts. In Vista, the only way to get a current count is to exit and restart. I find myself doing that often. I'm not sure whether it is TBs fault that the server sometimes closes the connection and I have to exit and restart to reconnect, but that happens on xp often. I don't trust TB! to create new folders, but I haven't tried it lately. When we start working on IMAP, I'll get some accounts I can safely experiment on but I screwed up my real account often enough that way in the past I won't risk it there. And it seems we both use Fastmail, and I have had no problem creating new folders. It is true that TB's folder counts aren't accurate, and TB doesn't report new mail well, but I never need to restart it. I never loose my FM connection unless DSL or FM itself is down. I have found that seeming poor Imap reliability in all email clients has a lot to do with connection configuration. This works for me in TB: both in and out are set to use Secure To Dedicated Port, 465 for in and 993 for out. As for folder counts, I can get good counts with other clients but they are lacking some other things that TB does. There is no such thing as a client that does everything well. I have decided to use Fastcheck to tell me when new mail arrives http://www.fastcheck.org/ regardless of what client I am using. That way, that particular feature can be disregarded in favor of other more important ones when deciding on an email client. While TB! continues to suit me better than other apps, partly at least out of habit, if I ever found an app which really handled IMAP well, I'd be gone. There are others that do a better job. Thunderbird and Becky. But they lack other things, like html handling in replies that are more important for me. If we don't test IMAP, then I might as well just be gone. POP has no attraction to me, and I can't imagine that it is going to do anything in the long run but lose out to IMAP. The more people use their mail on more than one machine, the more they are going to need IMAP or webmail, or something besides POP. Don't think so. People mostly use POP because that is what most ISP's provide. That isn't likely to change. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
In defense of Ritlabs and TB!
I have been reading with interest all of your comments on TB! and I feel that I have to add my thoughts. TB! is, for me, the best e-mail client available. I've been using it for so long I've nearly forgotten how long (at least 9 years and still counting) I personally don't use IMAP - I have 5 e-mail accounts - all POP's and I am very happy with this setup. I use a couple of machines with TB! to check my e-mail and on the one that is my second machine I simply select for TB! to leave messages on the server until my main machine receives them and then deletes the message from the server. This arrangement serves me very very well. (I use a Nokia mobile with a good e-mail client called Profimail which checks all 5 POP accounts and also leaves messages on the server unless I choose to delete them) The interface is great for me (it's the only client that works the way I want to work) It is also the only decent one where you can have individual accounts in the folder tree that behave independently of each other and contains it's own trash and junk mail folder etc etc Customisable interface, spam filter addin, etc etc... I personally only write e-mails in plain text using the MicroED editor and this editor is clean and simple (if a little quirky at times) I also think the template system is excellent and very versatile using them in conjunction with macros etc for different replies ... customisable audio alerts with time schedule and very powerful sorting office filters... being able to backup all accounts, messages and settings into one password protected file is something that many e-mail programs and particularly Outlook users can only dream about. There's a lot more I've probably forgotten but you get the picture. I wish the guys at Ritlabs well and hope that they have thick skins for all the highly charged messages that have been sent over the last few days. TB! isn't perfect - but then what software is? Steve Harris Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: In defense of Ritlabs and TB!
Hi, SH I personally don't use IMAP - I have 5 e-mail accounts - all POP's SH and I am very happy with this setup. Nobody is debating that for a POP3-user the bugs currently existing in TheBat may be minor. For a IMAP-user they are not. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.1.11 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpIMwb01hhLe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sending E-Mail failed if Name includes Comma
Hello The Bat! Beta Tester, Never seen that, replying to an eMail with Header From: Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) I have in the To: Line got the Receipient Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net And this sending fails because of the Comma in the Name. I think it has nuked the but why, i never seen that! --- Nachricht bearbeiten - Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net --- Nachricht wurde nicht versandt. Server Antwort - bad address syntax: Ge123er --- OK --- -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.2 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending E-Mail failed if Name includes Comma
Hello all, Sunday, May 31, 2009, Jens Franik wrote: Never seen that, replying to an eMail with Header From: Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) I have in the To: Line got the Receipient Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net yes, I saw this already and sometimes it happens to me, I have reported this 4 years ago, but nobody confirmed it. please add note to report https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5050 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.6 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: In defense of Ritlabs and TB!
G'Day, SH I personally don't use IMAP - I have 5 e-mail accounts - all POP's SH and I am very happy with this setup. Nobody is debating that for a POP3-user the bugs currently existing in TheBat may be minor. For a IMAP-user they are not. I agree with the last comment. In general TB is much better than any other Email client I have used over the last 20 years and there where some other good once I loved using. I choose TB cause it was the only Email client that was able to handle my work Emails which were around and close to a Million Emails in 12 years and I had to keep them all. Also the security point was one as I needed to have a Email client that works well with PGP at the time directly, not via copy and paste through the clip board etc. TB delivers all this perfectly for me and still does for POP 3. But privately and for other reasons I prefer IMAP over anything else and here TB has not really kept its promise as not much has happened. I would still hope they would look at IMAP again.. The hope dies last... --- Marcus Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending E-Mail failed if Name includes Comma
Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 at 22:54, Marek Mikus wrote: Never seen that, replying to an eMail with Header From: Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) I have in the To: Line got the Receipient Ge123er, Ro123 ge12...@123.net yes, I saw this already and sometimes it happens to me, I have reported this 4 years ago, but nobody confirmed it. please add note to report https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5050 Done, it is an urgly Quotation Problem, but i rised up now, because formerly i got Double Quotated Names, and now i get no Quotation Marks at all... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.14.2 (RC2) + AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.6 + Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Debian Lenny + Windows XP @VirtualBox 2.2.2 non-OSE 8 POP3 Accounts - 1 IMAP - 120 Folders Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Now you're done and every TB-user can see your lovable face when
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To get this going, you should be running TB! v2.12 or later. Fetch
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Unzip it to the 'Images' directory that's in your TB! installation
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You should now have a directory called 'rogues' containing many
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