Re: Outstanding Issues
Hi Rick, His usage was corrrect :) adjective: prominent, eminent, distinguished, notable, remarkable, salient, unsettled Exceptionally good If you say so! ;-) -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de TheBat v5.0.8 pgpP5fvJGAZrX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hi Simon, 1.- Certify endpoints. For this there must be an unbroken certificate chain from a trusted CA down through 0 or more intermediate certificates to the end certificate that is being used. For this purpose Vilius is right, self-signed certificates are no use. Why would that be? For one, if I issued the certificate myself, I know the certificate, and if it is presented in its original form (which I can verify, since I know what is good) the endpoint passes as valid. For seconds, man-in-the-middle attacks usually don't happen on a permanent basis. That means that if someone is evesdropping on your traffic, he will most probably do so intermittently, rather than all the time. Therefore the presented certificate will keep changing. If I accept one certificate for a specific endpoint, I get notified if this certificate supposedly changed and can inquire to the admin of the remote system if this is all right. While not automatic, the endpoint _is_ certified (or at least certifiable) nevertheless using self-signed certificates. You just have to do the checking yourself instead of leaving it to the machine, that's all. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de TheBat v5.0.8 pgpbRxdufjebe.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hint?
Hello Tbbeta, I watch thebat beta list as a daily digest. Using version 5.0.8.In viewing the messages I get a popup/hint? when I place the cursor on a message. I have disabled the hints. See attached .png On another point when the cursor is placed on a link. I no longer get a confirmation of the link. I do not use the HTML. -- Best regards, jim mailto:m...@mattern.usattachment: thebat beta XMLV.png Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sound are missing in The Bat! 5.0.8
Hi NetVicious, Confirmed from the first Betas of the v5 version on !August 2010¡. 5.0.0.56, and we arrived to 153, plus 5 RCs. I am sad about that, I really need the sounds to realize if messages are comming into the inboxes. :-( I am a blind user. Regards, Ali -- Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Hello Tony, hello List! * Tony Hoare wrote '[1]: It looks like TB5 has just been released. This is going to add great pressure to the dev team because we here know what the problem are. One more news article (German): http://www.golem.de/1104/82615.html -- Regards, Christoph TheBat! v5.0.8 unter Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 64bit [1] ~ Nachricht vom: 06.04.2011 @ 13:23:10 +0100 GMT mid:1474849045.20110406132...@parkinch.co.uk Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Title: Re[2]: TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hi Alto, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 4:05:23 AM, you wrote: Hi Simon, snip While not automatic, the endpoint _is_ certified (or at least certifiable) nevertheless using self-signed certificates. You just have to do the checking yourself instead of leaving it to the machine, that's all. I agree. Vilius pointed this out as well. Thanks to both for correcting me. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Hi all! It looks like TB5 has just been released. This is going to add great pressure to the dev team because we here know what the problem are. One more news article (German): http://www.golem.de/1104/82615.html Good article, the essence is: Entwickler Ritlabs neigt dazu, finale Versionen zu veröffentlichen, die deutliche Probleme zeigen, und dann neue Versionen hinterherzuschieben. Translated quick and dirty: Developer Ritlabs tends to release final versions with major problems and then releases new versions after that. Nothing more to say... ;-) -- Regards, Martin The Bat! v5.0.8 powered by Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outstanding Issues
His usage was corrrect :) adjective: prominent, eminent, distinguished, notable, remarkable, salient, unsettled Exceptionally good If you say so! ;-) It's a real great sign that you guys are able to discuss the nuances of the meanings of English words despite the fact that, for some of you, it is not your first language. I only wish I could contribute in your language. For the record, I mean a bit of each of the suggestions: 'prominent', 'clearly noticeable', 'Remaining to be done or dealt with' plus a bit of terrific as in 'Frightful or very unpleasant' when I see the same or new bugs in each release. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.8 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
I had a filter all of a sudden stop working. Confirmed here. under imap/exchange all filters work randomly - some works at time, other don't. For now I can't see any regularity in filter's behavior -- Pozdrowienia, Krzysztof Kudłacik Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Hello Krzysztof, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 12:57:34 PM, you wrote: I had a filter all of a sudden stop working. Confirmed here. under imap/exchange all filters work randomly - some works at time, other don't. For now I can't see any regularity in filter's behavior Do you get an exception like this? ClassName: Exception Message: Sizes differ!! IsOSException: 0 Modules: because this is killing filtering for me. It's definitely a specific message which I am trying to hunt down. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.8 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Hello Rick, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 12:02:43 PM, you wrote: I had a filter all of a sudden stop working. I have deleted it and recreated it and it still won't work. There are many other filters in this account that are still working correctly Yes I agree, filters are working intermittently on IMAP. Actually just in the last couple of RC's and with the 5.0.8 as well, they have gotten worse. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selected message in IMAP vs POP
Hello TBBETA, When an account with unread message is first selected one of the messages that is unread is automatically selected in a POP account, where as an IMAP account simply goes to the last read message. For me the latter behaviour is correct and I believe how it worked for version 4. Secondly, when reading unread messages while using the unread tab, if the folder refreshes, in IMAP the message you are currently reading stays as well, even if marked as read, where as the current message disappears in POP. By this I mean the message in the message list disappears, but the content stays on screen. Confirmations please. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v5.0.8 On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7600 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Do you get an exception like this? ClassName: Exception Message: Sizes differ!! IsOSException: 0 Modules: No such exceptions, no specific messages in account's log. just this: sometime given filter works, sometime don't. -- Pozdrowienia, Krzysztof Kudłacik Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Hi, No such exceptions, no specific messages in account's log. just this: sometime given filter works, sometime don't. thats a problem since versions. There are no working log for filtering. Thats why i ask for a debug (or whatever) output switch, or something else. I have a message in the bugtracker, but thats only for ReFilter https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8513 Regards Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Hello F.P., A reminder of what F.P. typed on: Thursday, April 07, 2011 at 15:07:54 GMT +0200 FP I have a message in the bugtracker, but thats only for ReFilter FP https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8513 Yes and it is marked as Verify Wait. but should be changed to Verify Fail. Also add comments to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8572 for filtering in general. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:scu...@mts.net Using The Bat! v5.0.8 On Windows 7 6.1 Build #7600 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Hi, Yes and it is marked as Verify Wait. but should be changed to Verify Fail. I cant change that status. I can only choose Resolved and Closed. Also add comments to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8572 for filtering in general. Comment added. Regards Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? used on exchange via imap: sent message stays in outbox as not sent and saved. Here is detailed log: cytat start --- 4/7/2011, 15:46:26: SEND - connected to SMTP server ex 4/7/2011, 15:46:26: SEND - authenticating (login)... ex 4/7/2011, 15:46:26: SEND - sending message to ...@z.pl !4/7/2011, 15:46:26: SEND - The message to xx...@y.pl (1258 bytes) is sent but could not be moved from Outbox to the Sent folder. The message is parked in the Outbox 4/7/2011, 15:46:26: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server zzzyyy.pl on port 993 4/7/2011, 15:46:26: SEND - connection finished - 1 message(s) sent cytat koniec -- -- Pozdrowienia, Krzysztof Kudłacik Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter stopped working
Confirmed! exactly the same problem. Thursday, April 7, 2011, 1:57:34 PM, you wrote: I had a filter all of a sudden stop working. Confirmed here. under imap/exchange all filters work randomly - some works at time, other don't. For now I can't see any regularity in filter's behavior Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outstanding Issues
Hi Rick, His usage was corrrect :) adjective: prominent, eminent, distinguished, notable, remarkable, salient, unsettled Exceptionally good If you say so! ;-) We agree! Outstanding!!! :)) -- Rick All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream ~ Edgar Allan Poe ~ v5.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Jernej, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 19:58:22 +0200 GMT (07/Apr/11, 0:58 AM +0700 GMT), Jernej Simončič wrote: I would join the request for the possibility to store an exception for an otherwise invalid certificate just as I can (for example) in Firefox... JS Just import it in Trusted Root CA in Address book, and it'll work. I think I mentioned it before: I added this somehow with the result that no messages could be sent anymore. I had to go through the cert list in TB! and delete the one in question. The result was that I get asked every time and have to click OK. I went through the loop twice or thrice. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Hello Jernej, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 20:04:16 +0200 GMT (07/Apr/11, 1:04 AM +0700 GMT), Jernej Simončič wrote: You are right, it does not add security. JS Wrong - your own certificates are the only ones you can actually trust JS (assuming you don't let the private key escape), so they're more JS trustworthy than certificates signed by 3rd party CAs. Thanks for correcting me. In fact, I don't sign certificates, my university does and I only click OK each time. Doing that regularly without knowing whether the certificate is really OK, might not be within the philosophy of using the certs for security, methinks. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! v4.2.44
Hello All, Since V5 is out in the wild, will there be any more development of ver 4? -- Best regards, David mailto:da...@elliott.uk.com running TB! ver 4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Hello Christoph, On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:24:37 +0200 GMT (07/Apr/11, 17:24 PM +0700 GMT), Christoph Koch wrote: It looks like TB5 has just been released. This is going to add great pressure to the dev team because we here know what the problem are. CK One more news article (German): http://www.golem.de/1104/82615.html That's news about the QR codes (two-dimensional barcodes). I hadn't read that here. Can anybody share some light on how it is implemented in v5? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh No! [Ritlabs-news] The Bat! 5 – 5/5 stars program!
Dear Thomas, @7-Apr-2011, 23:41 +0700 (07-Apr 17:41 here) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:5682575.20110407234...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de said to Christoph: ... snip CK One more news article (German): http://www.golem.de/1104/82615.html TF That's news about the QR codes (two-dimensional barcodes). I hadn't TF read that here. Can anybody share some light on how it is implemented TF in v5? Highlight some text in a message viewer or the editor, right click. Right there in the context menu is Generate QR code. That will pop up the 2d barcode image, which you can immediately scan with your smart-phone. Works well! -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.8 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 ' pgpYNhZByUIaB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
Gene, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 02:29:20 +0300, Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com wrote: Hello Tbbeta, What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? [*] HTML hints are now disabled by default (BETA issue) http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3the_bat//thebat_rus_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-8.msi My experience? Consummate POS. I now have a splash screen and nothing else. NO EMAIL nothing. Get this fixed, quick, or I'll be forced to move on... in a hurry... (Sorry, I'm pissed.) Not confirmed. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.8 release
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:54:18 -0400, Gleason sombr...@mm.st wrote: Gene, On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 02:29:20 +0300, Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com wrote: Hello Tbbeta, What's new in 5.0.8 since 5.0.6.1 BETA? [*] HTML hints are now disabled by default (BETA issue) http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3the_bat//thebat_rus_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-8.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-8.msi My experience? Consummate POS. I now have a splash screen and nothing else. NO EMAIL nothing. Get this fixed, quick, or I'll be forced to move on... in a hurry... (Sorry, I'm pissed.) Not confirmed. I don't really give a shit what you can confirm or not. I can't uninstall Version 5, nor can I re-install Version 4. At this point, I have NO email... and, on this computer, apparently, no way to use The Bat! As a user from the beginning... and a strong ambassador for The Bat!'s rock solid offerings... I've been screwed. I had a similar problem with some early betas and they fixed it in a hurry. Can you post the pertinent detail from the log? They need something to work with. -- Rick Dear Prince Charming, You've got some explaining to do! Sincerely, Cinderella, Snow White, Rapunzel, and Sleeping Beauty v5.0.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 5.0.8 release
Hello all, Friday, April 8, 2011, Gene Kearns wrote: If 5.X won't start and 4.X can't be substituted, what the hell do I do? please check if You have thebat_exceptions.log file created in MAIL directory -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
