Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Richard, By the way, hope your hand is better now. Yes, it's getting better. The cast was removed last Monday and, although I still have another 4-5 weeks to go before they declare me apt for combat, I should be able to start typing again with both hands soon. Thanks :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Steven, On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SPV The other three weeks I'm out of town and would love to use SPV something like Voyager if it could contain a complete copy of what SPV was in TB when I left, and then update TB to what's in Voyager when SPV I return. Just do a backup of what you want to copy across and then restore that backup onto Voyager. Do the reverse when you get home. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.6.7.3 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Richard, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:24:07 +0200 GMT (20/10/2006, 16:24 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: SPV The other three weeks I'm out of town and would love to use SPV something like Voyager if it could contain a complete copy of what SPV was in TB when I left, and then update TB to what's in Voyager when SPV I return. RW Just do a backup of what you want to copy across and then restore that RW backup onto Voyager. ACK. RW Do the reverse when you get home. Or: When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual. -- Cheers, Thomas. Warum hatte Bach so viele Kinder, Kant jedoch kein einziges? - Weil Bach sich auf die Kunst der Fuge verstand, waehrend Kant nur das Ding an sich betrachtet hat. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Thomas, Or: When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual. Nothing personal to you or anyone but, don't you guys think this thread belong in TBUDL and not in TBBeta? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello MAU, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Nothing personal to you or anyone but, don't you guys think this thread M belong in TBUDL and not in TBBeta? That's a debatable one as Maxim asked folks to test 3.86.03 only 3 days ago! -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.7.0.0 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TF When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the TF server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual. That's my preferred method. I do the same with TB! because it saves on writing sent filters :-) -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.7.0.0 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Richard, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:33:38 +0200 GMT (20/10/2006, 23:33 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: TF When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the messages on the TF server. When you get back home, just download the messages as usual. RW That's my preferred method. I do the same with TB! because it saves on RW writing sent filters :-) That's the case here too. But a wish is in the list: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 -- Cheers, Thomas. Manche Leute haben einen geistigen Horizont mit Radius 0 und nennen das dann ihren Standpunkt. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TF That's the case here too. But a wish is in the list: Missed that one so have now added my support. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.7.0.0 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Thomas, Friday, October 20, 2006, 11:20:15 AM, you wrote: RW Do the reverse when you get home. TF Or: When using Voyager, BCC to yourself, and leave the TF messages on the server. When you get back home, just TF download the messages as usual. That's often three to four hundred messages PER DAY. Not sure I want to download two to three THOUSAND messages a second time -- especially since most are SPAM. -- Steve Vallière | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Steven, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SPV especially since most are SPAM. Try AntispamSniper. It deletes spam on the server and has a very high accuracy rate for me. It also is designed to run with both TB! and voyager. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.7.0.0 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Easier administration tasks (was: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager)
Hi Thomas, on Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:47:48 +0700GMT, you wrote: TF ... a wish is in the list: TF https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319 This wish has somehow escaped my attention. Thanks for the reminder. It belongs in the same category as https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6023, which asks for one account properties manager for all accounts. Both would make administration work with The Bat! much less cumbersome. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Richard, M Nothing personal to you or anyone but, don't you guys think this thread M belong in TBUDL and not in TBBeta? That's a debatable one as Maxim asked folks to test 3.86.03 only 3 days ago! Everything is debatable my friend, even if beer is good or not ;) But the message starting this thread was sent some 7 hours before Maxim asked to test Voyayer 3.86.03 and provided a link to it. And the 'Activation limit' being discussed does not refer to something introduced or changed in this beta. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello MAU, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M But the message starting this thread was sent some 7 hours before Maxim M asked to test Voyayer 3.86.03 and provided a link to it. And the M 'Activation limit' being discussed does not refer to something M introduced or changed in this beta. Oh heck, should have known not to argue with you, you're always too much on the ball :-) In that case you are right, I think, on both counts. By the way, hope your hand is better now. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) with POP3 account AntispamSniper 1.7.0.0 | Windows XP (build 2600) version 5.1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot | CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz | RAM: 1024 MB Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Richard, On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:01:53 +0200 GMT (21/10/2006, 00:01 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: TF That's the case here too. But a wish is in the list: RW Missed that one so have now added my support. Thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. ROBOTRON: Unsere Mikroelektronik ist die Groesste! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:12:35 +0700 GMT (18/10/2006, 08:12 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any program file. That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not being able to run any program file. ;-) TF LOL! You can always enjoy a cup of coffee. FWIW: I was out of town for two days. The internet cafe where I checked my mail allowed running voyager.exe from the USB stick. They have one of those systems that reinstall themselves after each user, so that no files (including malware) are left on the computer after the user logged off. I like that. It also guarantees that no personal files can be viewed by a subsequent user, if I forget to delete them. -- Cheers, Thomas. Das Kaspische Meer ist eigentlich kein Meer, sondern bloss ein See, denn es ist von allen Seiten von Wasser umflossen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Vili, Monday, October 16, 2006, 1:43:55 PM, you wrote: I agree, I myself wasn't aware of this limitation until it came up in this thread. V I agree with Krzysztof also. Online users should be warned V PRIOR the sale. That only sounds fair, or at a minimum something in the install procedure that tells you You have X activations remaining I now know that I've used up two of mine just trying to figure out what Voyager is and how to use it (a feat I've yet to accomplish). That's because I've found no manual or documentation of any kind, except for the implication that it is similar to TheBat! but with fewer features so that it can be portable. 47 weeks a year I run TB on my desktop at work 24x7. The other three weeks I'm out of town and would love to use something like Voyager if it could contain a complete copy of what was in TB when I left, and then update TB to what's in Voyager when I return. If there are docs for this, I'd love to find them! Sorry, not really on topic. I'll be quiet now. -- Steve Vallière | tb 3.85.02 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On 06-10-17 (17:46), you wrote:
I think that is enough.
IMVHO it is not enough.
b. RITs sould provide some explicit and user-friendy procedure of
extending limitation in question.
I can't see why one should need mor than 5 activations.
You should talk with customers who need it.
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hi Krzysztof! a. users of Voyager should be warned about the limitation before they download software; Ah, I got informed that I have 4 of my 5 activations left, when I installed my Voyager. I think that is enough. b. RITs sould provide some explicit and user-friendy procedure of extending limitation in question. I can't see why one should need mor than 5 activations. Are you really carrying your Bat on five different sticks around? How do you manage to merge the mail bases? -- Regards, Raymund Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Peter, On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:19:06 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 14:19 +0700 GMT), Peter Hampf wrote: PH nothing to say against your arguments. For sure. Thanks. As I know you know a lot about computers, this is an appreciated compliment. TF In what situations and on whose computers to you use Voyager? PH On my laptop, on my office machine and on the machine of my mother-in-law, PH where I have admin rights. ;) LOL! Your mother-in-law trusts you that much? ;-) PH But Truecrypt for example does not require admin rights, if it has been PH installed once by an admin on the machine. You can mount drives even in user PH mode. That's interesting. PH That does not solve the situation in internet cafes, though. No, it won't. My back-up is the webmail, which I hate. -- Cheers, Thomas. The next time you feel like complaining, remember: Your garbage disposal probably eats better than thirty percent of the people in this world. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:47:53 +0200, Peter Hampf wrote: My back-up is the webmail, which I hate. So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any program file. That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not being able to run any program file. ;-) Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. No problems with registry settings or activation limitations whatsoever. The only thing needed is an agent.ini file with a valid registration key in it. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:01:30 +0200, Peter Hampf wrote: Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. Have you ever tried it in cafes with the above mentioned restrictions? Good luck! That's one of the two reasons why I wrote: for what it's worth. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Arjan, On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:42:00 +0200 GMT (18/10/2006, 01:42 +0700 GMT), Arjan de Groot wrote: So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any program file. That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not being able to run any program file. ;-) LOL! You can always enjoy a cup of coffee. AdG Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable AdG solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. No problems with AdG registry settings or activation limitations whatsoever. The only AdG thing needed is an agent.ini file with a valid registration key AdG in it. If they allow you to run Forte from a stick, then Voyager will also run without problems. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. If God dropped acid, would he see people? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Krzysztof, That means that the same key was used to activate Voyager 5(?) Yes. times... It can be an _indication_ of software piracy. I know It's probably reason to make this limitation. Contact Ritlabs and explain the situation asking to extend the activation number... Hmmm ... that's right, but it takes time and depands on manual intervention of RITs... very uncomfortable. What is uncomfortable in it? If you should go and mine rock, that would be uncomfortable, I think :))) You have used up your 5 chances. It is also uncomfortable for Ritlabs. But if you know a better way to handle users who activates Voyager more than 5 times, please explain that. I dont... -- Vili The Bat 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On 2006-10-15 (19:57), you wrote:
What is uncomfortable in it?
Necessity to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send
a message with description, next RITs must evaluate this, next RITs must
reset 'counter' per user to offer next activation. More: RITs must have
very detailed database per every sold Voyager. More: user BEFORE buying
should be warned about this very crucial limitation etc. More: let's
suppose failure of RITs database with counters. More: let's suppose - some
lazy guy in RITs who refuse to reset counter for days... etc.
Should be enough, don't you think?
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudłacik
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Krzysztof, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:38:48 +0200 GMT (16/10/2006, 22:38 +0700 GMT), Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote: What is uncomfortable in it? KK Necessity to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send [...] I think I'm with Vili on this one. A limitation makes sense. The question is whether 5 is enough. A registered user of TB Pro can use Voyager on five USB sticks. I don't know the market out there - Do people usually need more? Or is it the exception, so that manually resetting is a once-in-a-blue-moon requirement? -- Cheers, Thomas. CHRISTOPHER HOPE was disappointed by the warning he spotted on a gallon container of the laboratory disinfectant Hibitane. Avoid contact with brain, it told him, thereby spoiling his plans for a fun-filled afternoon drilling holes in his skull and pouring disinfectant into them. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Krzysztof, What is uncomfortable in it? Necessity to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send a message with description, next RITs must evaluate this, next RITs must reset 'counter' per user to offer next activation. More: RITs must have very detailed database per every sold Voyager. More: user BEFORE buying should be warned about this very crucial limitation etc. More: let's suppose failure of RITs database with counters. More: let's suppose - some lazy guy in RITs who refuse to reset counter for days... etc. Should be enough, don't you think? If Ritlabs saves with it on software piracy, it is worth doing it. The Bat! codes came up on the internet, I am glad they start to protect their intellectual property. Before anybody reminds me that I am a TB dealer: it does not have anything to do with it. It does not make any change in our income. It does have more with my (professional) hobby, software writing. Many people forgets that it is a job. E.g. plumber came, I had to pay for him fixing the sink. Ah, you are a programmer It took me more time to fix his PC than to fix my sink, and he was surprised when I gave him a bill, and not working free... (Same amount he has charged to repair the sink..) Show me another job nowadays that gives that many free stuff away than programming... Sorry, if you feel it is OT, I just wanted to protect Ritlabs point of view. However, I have to agree with you and I do it myself: I remind TB! Prof buyers that Voyager has a limited activation number. PS.: If you use up your 5 chances, I think RL can ask you without any prejudgment, to give them the explanation about the 5 licenses. (Other software companies draw the line at 3 license normally... or 1.) -- Vili Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Thomas, What is uncomfortable in it? KK Necessity to make a plenty of manual intervetions - first: user must send [...] I think I'm with Vili on this one. A limitation makes sense. The question is whether 5 is enough. A registered user of TB Pro can use Voyager on five USB sticks. I don't know the market out there - Do people usually need more? See from another viewpont: 1 USB stick at a time, and you can ask 5 licenses because: - deinstalled, reinstalled - FLASH broke down, reinstall on another one - dog ate FLASH, reinstall on another one - FLASH fall into fish tank, reinstall on another one etc. The - Mom use it - Dad use it - Sis use it - Bro use it - I use it and now the dog would like to use it... ehhh... this would not be a good excuse for me to give the user a 6th license :)) If it adds something to the statistics: no Hungarian user ever reported to me that they used up the 5 licenses... Not even small companies with 1-user license purchased... Believe me, Ritlabs has a very liberal licensing scheme. -- Vili Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Vili, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:43:26 -0400 GMT (16/10/2006, 23:43 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V If it adds something to the statistics: no Hungarian user ever V reported to me that they used up the 5 licenses... Not even small V companies with 1-user license purchased... That's what I was thinking. No dog or fish tank over here. (English is weired: I don't have a dog tank either.) V Believe me, Ritlabs has a very liberal licensing scheme. I'm planning to upgrade to a 2GB stick. That would be number two. It will take me a few years to get to number five. But I am only one user out of many, so only Ritlabs can tell whether they receive many requests for extension. I am sure they will extend the standard number of licences if they get too many requests. Nothing to worry about, from user's perspective. -- Cheers, Thomas. I am loyal to my employer at all costs Please feel free to respond to my resume on my office voice mail. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On 2006-10-16 (17:51), you wrote:
A limitation makes sense.
No doubt, it makes sens. I don't deny it. I only suggest two ponits:
a. users of Voyager should be warned about the limitation before they
download software;
b. RITs sould provide some explicit and user-friendy procedure of
extending limitation in question.
None of above is satisfied now.
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Krzysztof, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:23:10 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:23 +0700 GMT), Krzysztof Kudlacik wrote: A limitation makes sense. KK No doubt, it makes sens. I don't deny it. I only suggest two ponits: KK a. users of Voyager should be warned about the limitation before they KK download software; I agree, I myself wasn't aware of this limitation until it came up in this thread. KK b. RITs sould provide some explicit and user-friendy procedure of KK extending limitation in question. That's a problem. If it is too easy, piracy would be rampant. KK None of above is satisfied now. It's always a compromise. -- Cheers, Thomas. Der erste Tag am FKK-Strand kann fuer einen jungen Mann sehr hart werden. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Thomas, A limitation makes sense. KK No doubt, it makes sens. I don't deny it. I only suggest two ponits: KK a. users of Voyager should be warned about the limitation before they KK download software; I agree, I myself wasn't aware of this limitation until it came up in this thread. I agree with Krzysztof also. Online users should be warned PRIOR the sale. KK b. RITs sould provide some explicit and user-friendy procedure of KK extending limitation in question. That's a problem. If it is too easy, piracy would be rampant. KK None of above is satisfied now. It's always a compromise. Agree. -- Vili Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hi Peter, on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:03:29 +0200GMT, you wrote: PH This is not a solution for Ritlabs, but a solution for the user: PH I use Voyager on a virtual drive. Software that provides encrypted virtual PH discs are for example Ritlabs Thebat Private Disk or Truecrypt. PH Now I'm going to make a backup copy of the virtual discs image. And whenever PH I change my USB stick, I simply copy this backup to it and am ready to go, PH whithout the neccessity of a new activation. Have you ever actually *tried* this? AFAIK, Voyager depends on the volume-ID of the particular drive. If it's different from the previous one, a new activation is required. A little workaround was presented here on TBBeta in the thread starting with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hi Peter, on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:03:47 +0200GMT, you wrote: PM AFAIK, Voyager depends on the volume-ID of the particular drive. If it's PM different from the previous one, a new activation is required. PH Correct. But the VolId does not change when mounting the virtual disc, no PH matter which stick, HD, DVD ... etc. holds it. OIC. This is indeed the most elegant solution! :) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Peter, V You have used up your 5 chances. It is also uncomfortable for Ritlabs. V But if you know a better way to handle users who activates Voyager V more than 5 times, please explain that. I dont... This is not a solution for Ritlabs, but a solution for the user: I use Voyager on a virtual drive. Software that provides encrypted virtual discs are for example Ritlabs Thebat Private Disk or Truecrypt. Now I'm going to make a backup copy of the virtual discs image. And whenever I change my USB stick, I simply copy this backup to it and am ready to go, whithout the neccessity of a new activation. I dont get it... If it is a virtual drive, a software must be installed on the host PC, right? But then you have to carry/install the VD software into all PCs you are using, and install prior Voyager... right? Or I am wrong... Possible :) -- Vili Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Vili, Monday, October 16, 2006, 1:22:23 PM, you wrote: I dont get it... If it is a virtual drive, a software must be installed on the host PC, right? But then you have to carry/install the VD software into all PCs you are using, and install prior Voyager... right? Portable Freeware yumminess! Bookmark this site, grab the RSS feed etc.. You're gonna want to remember this place. I love these guys. The only problem is that you have to keep buying bigger USB sticks to fit all the greats apps reviewed here. http://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=199 Or I am wrong... Possible :) How about definite!!! grin -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Stock news: Boeing earnings hit turbulence. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Peter, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:39:38 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 04:39 +0700 GMT), Peter Hampf wrote: PH You can carry the VD software on the USB stick as well as the image. You PH call it from there and mount the virtual drive. That's it. PH The only drawback is that you usually need admin rights to mount the PH virtual drive. So you can only use it on insecure computers? - I use Voyager when travelling (that's the whole purpose of it, I think). In internet cafes, often enough they won't let me run an .exe file from the stick, let alone mount a drive. On other people's office computers, I am often enough allowed to run the .exe, but I don't think they'd be two happy if I tried mounting drives etc. If they let external people have admit rights, the sysad should, well, change his job. Become the paperboy or so. In what situations and on whose computers to you use Voyager? -- Cheers, Thomas. Junk is something you've kept for years and throw away three weeks before you need it. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
'Activation Limit Exceeded' error during activation of Voyager... How to
deal with this situation?
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Krzysztof, 'Activation Limit Exceeded' error during activation of Voyager... How to deal with this situation? That means that the same key was used to activate Voyager 5(?) times... It can be an _indication_ of software piracy. Contact Ritlabs and explain the situation asking to extend the activation number... -- Vili The Bat 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On 2006-10-15 (16:47), you wrote:
That means that the same key was used to activate Voyager 5(?)
Yes.
times... It can be an _indication_ of software piracy.
I know It's probably reason to make this limitation.
Contact Ritlabs and explain the situation asking to extend the
activation number...
Hmmm ... that's right, but it takes time and depands on manual
intervention of RITs... very uncomfortable.
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Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
Hello Ian A. White everyone else, on 15-Okt-2006 at 23:04 you (Ian A. White) wrote: When was activation introduced? IIRC it was part of the Voyager installation right from the start, because Voyager doesn't write to the registry of the local machine (or at least it shouldn't:-) it cannot store its registration data there. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) At last they are beginning to take me seriously. This imposes a terrible burden on me. I must redouble my laughter. -- Lawrence Durrell Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
