Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Steven, Your trick worked for me, too. The restart was critical. I looked before restarting and the Create a New Message drop list had reverted to only Quick Template after I added the single address, but the RMB menu was correct instead of being empty (as it was BEFORE I added the single address.) After restarting TB! both address lists are populated as I think they should be. THANKS! What do you mean thanks? You owe me a beer ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.6.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Winamp Playing: Denise Young - Why (CALMRADIO.COM - SOLO PIANO - Sampler) Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
To anyone interested, I'm not sure if this issue has been corrected, or if Miguel's trick caused it, but I ran the 5.1.6.2 MSI today and, for the first time in over a year, NEITHER of the address drop-lists was missing after the install completed and TheBat restarted. I've got my fingers crossed, hoping that I can forget about this issue forever! Thanks to the folks who helped! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 4:08:20 AM, you wrote: M ...I have found a trick that makes it work. At least it does M for me... Your trick worked for me, too. The restart was critical. I looked before restarting and the Create a New Message drop list had reverted to only Quick Template after I added the single address, but the RMB menu was correct instead of being empty (as it was BEFORE I added the single address.) After restarting TB! both address lists are populated as I think they should be. THANKS! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.1 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Rick, I have played with this a bit more and there IS something wrong with it. I have one group showing incorrectly and can't make it go away Well, I just said it was (and is) working for me. Why? I have no idea. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.6.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Rick, I am seeing that problem with this release too - I have several groups checked to show in the drop down, and they are not showing And ... after installing the new MSI files, the drop down list is FIXED (???) No, I've been playing around and it is not fixed. The thing is that I can't find a pattern on when and why if fails, but I think that, just by coincidence, I have found a trick that makes it work. At least it does for me. In the Properties of the AB Groups you want to show in the drop-down list and RMB menu, select the option Add items to Instant Address pop-up. Then, select a single address that is NOT in any of those groups and mark as Favourite. Re-start TB and both the drop-down list and RMB menu will display the desired groups and the single address below them. As I say, this is so far working for me. Might be worth to try. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.6.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Rick, I am seeing that problem with this release too - I have several groups checked to show in the drop down, and they are not showing And ... after installing the new MSI files, the drop down list is FIXED (???) No, I've been playing around and it is not fixed. The thing is that I can't find a pattern on when and why if fails, but I think that, just by coincidence, I have found a trick that makes it work. At least it does for me. In the Properties of the AB Groups you want to show in the drop-down list and RMB menu, select the option Add items to Instant Address pop-up. Then, select a single address that is NOT in any of those groups and mark as Favourite. Re-start TB and both the drop-down list and RMB menu will display the desired groups and the single address below them. As I say, this is so far working for me. Might be worth to try. I have played with this a bit more and there IS something wrong with it. I have one group showing incorrectly and can't make it go away -- Rick Dear Prince Charming, You've got some explaining to do! Sincerely, Cinderella, Snow White, Rapunzel, and Sleeping Beauty v5.1.6.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 4:23:11 AM, you wrote: M let's see how long it lasts. Well, FWIW, I could not get the cascading menu feature to work *AT ALL* in 5.1.2, but by de-selecting all of the options for it in each of my address list groups, my ENTIRE list of favorites would appear in both the Create a New Message /and/ the RMB in an address field drop-lists. After installing 5.1.6, the cascaded menus are working again in the Create a New message drop list and once again, *ALL* addresses have been removed from the RMB menu in the address fields. With this feature's functionality changing with every release (for me, at least), it seemed like RIT was actively working on it. However, I'm now starting to believe that there may just be an uninitialized variable or two involved and every compile is leaving them with different random values that cause different aspects of this feature to work (or not) in different ways with each release. At least, the second option makes more sense to me (as a programmer myself.) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
After installing 5.1.6, the cascaded menus are working again in the Create a New message drop list and once again, *ALL* addresses have been removed from the RMB menu in the address fields. With this feature's functionality changing with every release (for me, at least), it seemed like RIT was actively working on it. However, I'm now starting to believe that there may just be an uninitialized variable or two involved and every compile is leaving them with different random values that cause different aspects of this feature to work (or not) in different ways with each release. At least, the second option makes more sense to me (as a programmer myself.) I am seeing that problem with this release too - I have several groups checked to show in the drop down, and they are not showing -- Rick Blessed are the cracked, for they will let in the light. v5.1.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
After installing 5.1.6, the cascaded menus are working again in the Create a New message drop list and once again, *ALL* addresses have been removed from the RMB menu in the address fields. With this feature's functionality changing with every release (for me, at least), it seemed like RIT was actively working on it. However, I'm now starting to believe that there may just be an uninitialized variable or two involved and every compile is leaving them with different random values that cause different aspects of this feature to work (or not) in different ways with each release. At least, the second option makes more sense to me (as a programmer myself.) I am seeing that problem with this release too - I have several groups checked to show in the drop down, and they are not showing And ... after installing the new MSI files, the drop down list is FIXED (???) -- Rick Dear Prince Charming, You've got some explaining to do! Sincerely, Cinderella, Snow White, Rapunzel, and Sleeping Beauty v5.1.6.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Steven, OK. After restarting, both the Create a New Message drop-list *AND* the RMB pop-up list in the address fields show the SAME MENU! I haven't seen that for at LEAST FIVE years. Now, if it will only continue working when I install the inevitable next release. And the one after that. And... Glad to hear that, let's see how long it lasts. I must say that, although with just a few addresses, both the pop-up list and RMB menu seem to be working here. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Steven, M You owe me a beer ;-) Next time you're going to be on Florida's Space Coast let me know and I'll take care of you! I was there a couple of times in the past, but I don't think I'll have much opportunity to visit again. So, next time you are having a beer, drink another one on my behalf :) Since I seem to be the only one having this issue, ... No, you are not the only one, I've seen it happen as you describe when doing some test. However, as I only use this feature with half a dozen addresses, and mainly from RMB menu, it is not a big issue for me. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Saturday, April 21, 2012, 3:47:40 AM, you wrote: Thanks MAU for your suggestions! M You owe me a beer ;-) Next time you're going to be on Florida's Space Coast let me know and I'll take care of you! Sadly, I installed the 5.1.0.4 update and, once again, everything has reverted to the broken/missing state (as is the RMB list in the address fields.) I guess I get to fix this every single time I install a new version. Since I seem to be the only one having this issue, I must once again ask what could be unique about my system that is upsetting this particular function...and what other things [that I don't use much or at all] are also being broken every time I upgrade? Getting an answer to this question just might help resolve other issues as well... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Steven, Monday, April 23, 2012, 8:09:51 AM, you wrote: SPV Sadly, I installed the 5.1.0.4 update and, once again, SPV everything has reverted to the broken/missing state (as SPV is the RMB list in the address fields.) I guess I get SPV to fix this every single time I install a new version. I just finished unchecking and rechecking all of the necessary items in the address book group properties but have NOT yet restarted TheBat! and, so far, the Create a New Message drop-list is still empty, BUT for the first time in many YEARS, the RMB list in the address fields now shows the list of groups with the selected addresses at the next level *AND* the normal cut, past, copy, etc! Previously, when the RMB list is visible at all, it shows every favourite I have selected at the top level, without any group hierarchy. I'm going to save this as a draft, restart TheBat! and let you know what the menus look like after the restart, too... OK. After restarting, both the Create a New Message drop-list *AND* the RMB pop-up list in the address fields show the SAME MENU! I haven't seen that for at LEAST FIVE years. Now, if it will only continue working when I install the inevitable next release. And the one after that. And... -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.4 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Steven, At least it is working as it was, if not really correctly (at least, not as I understand correctly to mean.) Happy to hear that. Thanks MAU for your suggestions! You owe me a beer ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.0.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
On Saturday, April 21, 2012, 2:47:40 AM, MAU wrote: You owe me a beer ;-) Damn, Miguel, I've lost track of how many beers we owe each other. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.1.0.4 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Dwight, You owe me a beer ;-) Damn, Miguel, I've lost track of how many beers we owe each other. Me too. Let's call it a draw then ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.0.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Hello Steven, However, the drop-list shows only Quick templates instead of the groups/users it should be showing. I'd really, REALLY, *REALLY* like to get this back. I probably used that feature more than any other. I don't use favourites addresses from the drop-down list but from the context menu when right clicking on the To: or CC: field of the editor. Anyway, I was curious about your problem and was playing with the settings in the AB Groups properties, although not exhaustively. These are my findings: - There certainly seems to be an issue when using/selecting different settings in AB Groups properties. - In some cases I got what you report, drop-down list showing only Quick templates. I all or most cases, re-starting TB made the favourites appear in the list. I assume you have re-started TB many times. - If I select the option 'Add items to Instant Address Pop-Up' I do get the groups and favourites (maybe after re-starting), but then the right-click context menu in Editor does NOT show any group or favourites. I normally don't have this option selected and I only get the favourites without the groups, but they also appear in editor's context menu. - I have been playing with both v4.2.44.2 and v5.1.0.4 and they both seem to behave the same. So, whatever the issue/problem is, I don't think it is something new to v5. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.2.44.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Friday, April 20, 2012, 6:20:28 AM, you wrote: M I don't use favourites addresses from the drop-down list but from the M context menu when right clicking on the To: or CC: field of the editor. I'd love to use a feature like that! When I right-click in To: CC: or BCC: I get a context menu containing only these items: copy, cut, paste, undo and select all. M Anyway, I was curious about your problem Thanks for your interest and research, it is appreciated. M I assume you have re-started TB many times. At least a few dozen. M - If I select the option 'Add items to Instant Address Pop-Up' I do get M the groups and favourites (maybe after re-starting), but then the M right-click context menu in Editor does NOT show any group or M favourites. I normally don't have this option selected and I only get M the favourites without the groups, but they also appear in editor's M context menu. I guess I'll try *NOT* selecting anything for inclusion in the pop-up menu and maybe they will magically appear in the address field context menu instead. I've not been able to get an address list pop-up in the address fields since somewhere in v2 or v3 (though I do get a list of things that kind of match what I've started to type, but that doesn't always help if I do not remember the name I'm looking for!) I'm sure there's a setting to control which of the context menus is displayed, but actually /finding/ a specific new setting in TB is far too much like finding a four-leaf clover in a very large clover field! (At least, that's the way it feels to me!) M - I have been playing with both v4.2.44.2 and v5.1.0.4 and they both M seem to behave the same. So, whatever the issue/problem is, I don't M think it is something new to v5. The last time this happened was when I went from 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8 in April 2011 and reverting to 4.x fixed the problem. FWIW, I've had this list go empty several times when trying new betas over the years, but they happen so far apart that I forget how to fix them! It is starting to look like I'll be going back to 4.2.44.2 again. It isn't that I need (or use) any of the new things added to the 5.x line, I was just trying to stay current on a product I find worthy of supporting. But it keeps breaking the one age-old feature that I *DO* use often. Sigh. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
MAU, Friday, April 20, 2012, 6:20:28 AM, you wrote: M - If I select the option 'Add items to Instant Address Pop-Up' I do get M the groups and favourites (maybe after re-starting), but then the M right-click context menu in Editor does NOT show any group or M favourites. I normally don't have this option selected and I only get M the favourites without the groups, but they also appear in editor's M context menu. 1: I went through ALL of the groups in my address book and *UNCHECKED* the Add items to the Instant Address Pop-Up and Hide items if not explicitly selected items for everything. 2: I restarted TheBat! 3: *ALL* of my addresses checked as Favourite now appear on the Create a new Message drop list *AND* when I RMB in an address field! 4: I went through my address book again and RECHECKED the Add items to the Instant Address Pop-Up and Hide items if not explicitly selected items for all of the groups that still have addresses marked as Favourite (I now have a few that have none.) 5: I restarted TheBat! 6: The Create a new Message drop-list is back to what I'm familiar with and the RMB context menu in the address fields is back to cut, copy, paste, undo and select all with no addresses (or groups) listed. It is too bad that the RMB context menu in the address fields cannot be like the Create a new Message drop- list. Having a complete list of ALL of my favourite addresses is too large to be usable. The hierarchical list that Create a new Message offers is MUCH BETTER. I'm guessing that the Create a new Message list went empty because the first group I had checked no longer contained any favourite addresses and it got confused and gave up. At least it is working as it was, if not really correctly (at least, not as I understand correctly to mean.) Thanks MAU for your suggestions! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
Extra info about the missing contacts in the 'Create a new message' drop-list: All of the groups I want listed have the Add items to the Instant Address Pop-Up and Hide items if not explicitly selected items checked in the Edit Group Properties dialogs. All of the users I want listed have Favourite checked. However, the drop-list shows only Quick templates instead of the groups/users it should be showing. I'd really, REALLY, *REALLY* like to get this back. I probably used that feature more than any other. HELP! -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Create new Message drop-list empty AGAIN!
(I posted this to the TheBat! User List, but since it is about the 5.1.x.y BETA, I figured I should post it here, too.) I recently upgraded from 4.2.44 = 5.0.x.y = 5.1.x.y and the Create a new Message drop-list has gone empty again (except for 'Quick Template'). This has happened before but all I remember is that there's some magic file I need to delete so that TB! will re-create the drop-list content (or something like that.) I have everyone correctly checked as a favorite in the address book, but they no longer appear on the drop-list. I've restarted the program several times and it is not fixing itself, so I'm hoping someone knows how to get them back. Help? Please? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.0.3 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
