Sending emails with GMail's SMTP, was: Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
Let's teach Vitalie something: Vili wrote: Your move. you want something as 'flexible' as a whore and as trustworthy as a wife ...at the same time. LOL. i think SPF is another e-mail feature for you to discover, my dear hungarian buddy... Lesson 1. You have to learn to be humble. Lesson 2. As it turns out GMail IS as 'flexible' as a whore and as trustworthy as a wife... at the same time. It is more clever than most of us thought. It IS possible to set GMail to send (not replace) emails with From field different from gmail.com. - login to your GMail account - got to Settings, select the Accounts tab - add all of your email address here - for each added account GMail will send a verification number to that address, that you have to type in the next screen, this is how they verify that address is yours Checked, works. Oh, man... it must hurt... :( PS: It came from a Hungarian TB user, not my child. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending emails with GMail's SMTP, was: Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
Vili wrote: - login to your GMail account - got to Settings, select the Accounts tab - add all of your email address here - for each added account GMail will send a verification number to that address, that you have to type in the next screen, this is how they verify that address is yours Checked, works. bah! it was rumored that jul18 they plan some changes to the gmail iface too, not only google analytics iface switch. not sure if this feature is among these, but nice you said about it. Oh, man... it must hurt... :( maybe. adding addresses of another SPF-aware email service to gmail won't help you with sending those messages via gmail: it just cannot magically add its SMTP srv addrs to the SPF-related DNS records of somebody else's domain, no matter how powerful their web iface is. PS: It came from a Hungarian TB user, not my child. eh. hungarians... :) -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sending emails with GMail's SMTP, was: Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
adding addresses of another SPF-aware email service to gmail won't help you with sending those messages via gmail: it just cannot magically add its SMTP srv addrs to the SPF-related DNS records of somebody else's domain, no matter how powerful their web iface is. I am sure, you are right. But from a practical point of view: it works. I sent emails from TB, they arrived. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending emails with GMail's SMTP, was: Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
vitalie vrabie wrote: Vili wrote: - login to your GMail account - got to Settings, select the Accounts tab - add all of your email address here - for each added account GMail will send a verification number to that address, that you have to type in the next screen, this is how they verify that address is yours Checked, works. bah! it was rumored that jul18 they plan some changes to the gmail iface too, not only google analytics iface switch. not sure if this feature is among these, but nice you said about it. no! guess what? i've looked there and found another address of mine there already. LOL. given that i didn't visit those settings since about january this year, this feature was there long before. :) just completely forgot about it. all the rest said in the previous message remains valid. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending emails with GMail's SMTP, was: Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
Vili wrote: adding addresses of another SPF-aware email service to gmail won't help you with sending those messages via gmail: it just cannot magically add its SMTP srv addrs to the SPF-related DNS records of somebody else's domain, no matter how powerful their web iface is. I am sure, you are right. But from a practical point of view: it works. I sent emails from TB, they arrived. you must have already noticed that i'm veeery bad at remembering small details by heart. remember what's important, and you'll 'decompress' the whole story upon need. :) there was a web robot that checks for the SPF records of a specified domain (somewhere around openspf.org, or following the links from there). hence, you have to check those domains before aliasing them to any relay. even worse, you have to do that PERIODICALLY - in the event that the holders will add SPF support at some point. and a symmetrical amount of shit on the recepients' side. they MAY check the SPF records upon accepting messages, but they also may not. given that SPF is a very good measure against spam, i think it will get even more popular further on. is your approach practical? depends. i personally don't think so, considering those periodical checks involved; i'd rather prepare my infrastructure for standing even a worst-case scenario, and i'm glad i did that already in what concerns SPF. another moral could be this: never add any domain as an alias to any freemail service, unless it's you that owns that domain (and control the appearance of SPF records). how does this map to that whore-wife analogy is left to your imagination. ;) -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
You mean if you send it from TB using their SMTP? How is it stored in the online GMail/Sent folder? How does the recipient get it? You say replaces it? In both cases? Yes, I sent it from TB! with a faked from address via GMails SMTP sever. In GMail's Sent folder (online) my real address (belonging to the account) is shown, and that's what the recipient gets. So when you use GMail's SMTP, it replaces the From address, that's what you are saying, right? I dont think, it should do that... -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Vili wrote: So when you use GMail's SMTP, it replaces the From address, that's what you are saying, right? I dont think, it should do that... oh yes it should. cuz yer mail goes FROM that account. want replies to a different place? good. e-mail has a nice REPLY-TO feature for you to discover. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
So when you use GMail's SMTP, it replaces the From address, that's what you are saying, right? I dont think, it should do that... oh yes it should. cuz yer mail goes FROM that account. want replies to a different place? good. e-mail has a nice REPLY-TO feature for you to discover. You wear that I eat you alive underwear of yours today again : So, I know about that REPLY-TO field, of course. But: (I have my Think logically Tshirt on :) : I use a secure Hungarian SMTP server to send ALL of my emails, except the GMail. And that does not replace the From field, it just does what it has to do: auth tells it that I am a legitimate user of their SMTP service, and send my email with the FROM field I specified. This is how it should be done. However, Uwe says and I checked it now also, that GMail's SMTP REPLACES the FROM field with the email address of the GMail account you used to auth yourself. And you think it is ok. Not Vitalie, it is not ok. At least it is not proper handling of emails. They should either not allow to use their SMTP server or let me use it and not replacing the sender. They do something in between. I think, they do it against the spam, but for nonspammers it is a rather illogical SMTP handling. Your move. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Hello Vili, On 2007-07-20 you wrote: So when you use GMail's SMTP, it replaces the From address, that's what you are saying, right? Correct -- Regards, Uwe Using The Bat! v3.99.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
So when you use GMail's SMTP, it replaces the From address, that's what you are saying, right? Correct I checked it too. Strange... -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Vili wrote: Your move. you want something as 'flexible' as a whore and as trustworthy as a wife ...at the same time. LOL. i think SPF is another e-mail feature for you to discover, my dear hungarian buddy... -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Vili wrote: I use a secure Hungarian SMTP server to send ALL of my emails, except the GMail. And that does not replace the From field, it just does what it has to do: auth tells it that I am a legitimate user of their SMTP service, and send my email with the FROM field I specified. This is how it should be done. (assuming that you're now familiar with SPF) and this is exactly what doesn't work. However, Uwe says and I checked it now also, that GMail's SMTP REPLACES the FROM field with the email address of the GMail account you used to auth yourself. And you think it is ok. perfectly ok, Vil. or else, what are you trying to achieve? send spam with my username in the from field just because you happen to have an account there as well? deny sending of the supposedly-forged mail at all? -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Hello Uwe On Friday, July 20, 2007 you wrote: Hello Vili, On 2007-07-20 you wrote: So when you use GMail's SMTP, it replaces the From address, that's what you are saying, right? Correct Don't forget you are actually using the Google interface that happens to support POP. It is getting replaced with whatever you have on the web page interface -- Rick The Bat Version 3.99.9 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
I use a secure Hungarian SMTP server to send ALL of my emails, except the GMail. And that does not replace the From field, it just does what it has to do: auth tells it that I am a legitimate user of their SMTP service, and send my email with the FROM field I specified. This is how it should be done. (assuming that you're now familiar with SPF) and this is exactly what doesn't work. What is SPF? What do you mean that it does not work? I use it every day. However, Uwe says and I checked it now also, that GMail's SMTP REPLACES the FROM field with the email address of the GMail account you used to auth yourself. And you think it is ok. perfectly ok, Vil. or else, what are you trying to achieve? send spam with my username in the from field just because you happen to have an account there as well? deny sending of the supposedly-forged mail at all? E.g. I have many (free) email addresses. Then how do you suppose to send emails from those accounts/emails? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Vili wrote: I use a secure Hungarian SMTP server to send ALL of my emails, except the GMail. And that does not replace the From field, it just does what it has to do: auth tells it that I am a legitimate user of their SMTP service, and send my email with the FROM field I specified. This is how it should be done. (assuming that you're now familiar with SPF) and this is exactly what doesn't work. What is SPF? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework What do you mean that it does not work? I use it every day. then, why don't you send your FROM:@gmail messages through it? :) -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
vitalie vrabie wrote: What is SPF? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework and, since you're so lazy at doing the homework, here's one more: http://www.openspf.org/FAQ particularly, what is SPF and why is it complicating the life to some hungarian supposed-to-be-secure servers ;) -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
vitalie vrabie wrote: particularly, what is SPF and why is it complicating the life to some hungarian supposed-to-be-secure servers ;) and to resume it quickly and get back to your initial point (life ain't chess and i don't quite have time to wait for your understanding of each and every logical step). it ain't any of *my* eat you alive whateverwear. in fact, *you* and your beloved server are dead ALREADY. :) you - in terms of relying your business mail on it: * the mail you send through this ubercorrect™ ultrasecure® server doesn't get thru to your SPF-checking addressees. * your addresses hosted on 'non-SPF' services are, most likely, in the spam blacklists already. now, to return to gmail. for non-tech users, it just turns simpler to get used with that overwriting than to inspect the SMTP client logs for an explanation of the refusal. have a nice weekend and sleep well over this new knowledge! ;) -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Hello Vili, On 2007-07-18 you wrote: You mean if you send it from TB using their SMTP? How is it stored in the online GMail/Sent folder? How does the recipient get it? You say replaces it? In both cases? Yes, I sent it from TB! with a faked from address via GMails SMTP sever. In GMail's Sent folder (online) my real address (belonging to the account) is shown, and that's what the recipient gets. -- Regards, Uwe Using The Bat! v3.99.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Dispatch messages on server...
Doesn't work for me with gmail accounts. I've tried all messages and all new messages - all that happens is a regular e-mail check, no listing of the my gmail account messages. Is this a gmail thing? WOuld it work ok on std POP (I'm using 3.99.9) -- Graham (via gmane) Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Graham, on Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:58:56 + (UTC)GMT (18.07.2007, 20:58 +0200GMT here), you wrote: GF Doesn't work for me with gmail accounts. I've tried all messages and all new GF messages - all that happens is a regular e-mail check, no listing of the my GF gmail account messages. Is this a gmail thing? Maybe. I don't use gmail. GF WOuld it work ok on std POP (I'm using 3.99.9) It does here. One freemailer and my domain provider. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.99.9 :beta: on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Doesn't work for me with gmail accounts. I've tried all messages and all new messages - all that happens is a regular e-mail check, no listing of the my gmail account messages. Is this a gmail thing? WOuld it work ok on std POP (I'm using 3.99.9) Gmail is special. a. Mails that you see when you login online will NOT show up in TB's dispatcher (any other email clients and their dispatcher) once you downloaded those mails with ANY email client. Bad thing... b. Mails that you send thru GMails SMTP, will be stored in your online GMail account. Good thing :) I use GMail SMTP with my GMail account only, but it can be used sending mails from any email address once the auth is done, I was told. I dont know if they store the mails sent from other addresses using their SMTP, but mails sent from GMail address is stored. So, GMail is monitoring your download/send activity that goues thru their POP/SMTP servers and move your mails around... Especially b. is special... -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Hello Vili, On 2007-07-18 you wrote: I use GMail SMTP with my GMail account only, but it can be used sending mails from any email address once the auth is done, I was told. I just tried it. Google seems to accept any From address ... and replaces it with the address of the logged in user. -- Regards, Uwe Using The Bat! v3.99.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dispatch messages on server...
I use GMail SMTP with my GMail account only, but it can be used sending mails from any email address once the auth is done, I was told. I just tried it. Google seems to accept any From address ... and replaces it with the address of the logged in user. You mean if you send it from TB using their SMTP? How is it stored in the online GMail/Sent folder? How does the recipient get it? You say replaces it? In both cases? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Dispatch messages on server...
Hi Graham, Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 12:58:56 PM, you wrote: Doesn't work for me with gmail accounts. I've tried all messages and all new messages - all that happens is a regular e-mail check, no listing of the my gmail account messages. Is this a gmail thing? WOuld it work ok on std POP (I'm using 3.99.9) I use the POP feature of Gmail and have had no problems at all. -- Take Care, Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.99.3 (beta) on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
