Re: Filter Problem?
Roelof, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 10:49:30 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Steven, RO On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:59:19 -0500GMT (7-2-2013, 13:59 , where I RO live), you wrote: SPV What happens first: Filtering or Junk Checking? RO Junk checking happens first. Cannot be altered. Thanks, that's what I needed to know. Maybe my suggestion for allowing the user to choose where in the filtering sequence junk (and virus) checking occurs will be considered... RO However, what you can do, is make your spam filter add a header (or RO add something to the subject), but not drop it to the junk folder. RO And configure the sorting office to move everything with that spam RO header to your junk folder. RO You should place that spam filter in your sorting in such a way that RO addresses with lots of false positives get filtered before your spam RO filter gets activated. RO Unfortunately I don't know for sure whether this is possibe with your RO Regula plug-in. I just checked the config and there's no option for header modification. BUT it does have its own filter rules where I could mark specific header values (just like TB!'s filters) as always being SPAM or HAM. BUT... Today it was all of the new messages from this group (TBBETA) that landed in the Junk mail folder. Even the one I posted. Something is definitely wrong. TBBETA messages have been filtered correctly for *YEARS* with virtually zero false positives for junk. It is almost infinitely unlikely that ALL of the messages from yesterday would be considered junk. All of my other filters (including TBUSER) are still working correctly today. I'm thinking that my question actually belongs in the Incoming message filtering stopped working?? thread, because I believe that's what I've been experiencing. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter Problem?
Friday, February 8, 2013, 8:13:46 AM, I wrote: SPV Today it was all of the new messages from this group (TBBETA) SPV that landed in the Junk mail folder. Even the one I posted. SPV Something is definitely wrong. TBBETA messages have been SPV filtered correctly for *YEARS* with virtually zero false SPV positives for junk. It is almost infinitely unlikely that SPV ALL of the messages from yesterday would be considered junk. SPV All of my other filters (including TBUSER) are still working SPV correctly today. I'm thinking that my question actually SPV belongs in the Incoming message filtering stopped working?? SPV thread, because I believe that's what I've been experiencing. I should note that this behavior is what I saw during the first few minutes after booting this morning. After I sent this message, I rebooted my computer again to see what happened and now the TBBETA message are being filtered correctly again. I didn't run anything differently either time. TheBat! is the first (and only) program automatically started when I log in. So it seems that TheBat! is now doing different things for me each time my machine is booted. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter Problem?
I've been noticing that message from one particular sender are often sent to the junk folder instead of going where the filter that matches both the subject and the sender (though the filter is set to the OR of either one.) This doesn't ALWAYS happen, but it has been happening often enough that I need to ask a question: What happens first: Filtering or Junk Checking? I have the Regula anti-spam plug-in and, overall, have been very happy with it, so this is more of a curiosity than a problem. I think I can correct it by adding the automated account that sends me the daily report that is having trouble to my address book (and thereby whitelisting it for the anti-spam plug-in.) I'm still curious about the order of evaluation, though. It certainly /looks/ like the anti-spam is run BEFORE any of my filters. I wonder if it would be possible (and useful) to be able to have the anti-spam and anti-virus plug-ins listed in the filters so that we could move some of our own special exceptions before or after them? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter Problem?
Hallo Steven, On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:59:19 -0500GMT (7-2-2013, 13:59 , where I live), you wrote: SPV What happens first: Filtering or Junk Checking? Junk checking happens first. Cannot be altered. However, what you can do, is make your spam filter add a header (or add something to the subject), but not drop it to the junk folder. And configure the sorting office to move everything with that spam header to your junk folder. You should place that spam filter in your sorting in such a way that addresses with lots of false positives get filtered before your spam filter gets activated. Unfortunately I don't know for sure whether this is possibe with your Regula plug-in. -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator: Satan in some cases. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.6.2 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Outgoing Mail Filter Problem
Hello, I hope that someone can confirm this or tell me if it has been fixed. I'm currently using 4.2.24.5 and set an outgoing filter to forward a message of all outgoing emails from a specific account to my boss (he wants to see everything - don't ask). My problem comes from TB forwards a copy as planned, but then gets stuck in a never ending look to send a forward of the forward (since another email was created). Can anyone confirm this? Thanks! -- Best regards, Jim mailto:t...@refcloset.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Outgoing Mail Filter Problem
Hello Zygmunt, Thank you for the response. Actually, I was able to create a work around by simply setting the filter from Any Message to Recipient does not equal and my boss's email address. (besides, if I send him an email to begin with, I don't need another copy of it going to him) I would think that TB would be able to catch that loop, though. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:t...@refcloset.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter problem
Hello all ,
I have a filter that I activate manually. It has worked for at least 2 years on
the currently highlighted message. In this version it not only acts on the
message that is highlighted, but on the one above it as well. (As if you held
the combination of keys too long)
This filter exports the message to a text file and has two sub-filters. The
first creates an automatic reply and the second moves the original message to a
different folder.
In order to test this I created a new filter. I did it one step at a time.
Export step - Resulted in the same message being exported twice instead of just
once.
Automatic Reply - Same result as above with 2 messages being sent to the
same
address.
Move to a different folder - Resulted in the original scenario. The current
message and the previous message are both exported, two replies to the two
messages and 2 messages moved.
This is extremely odd and very dangerous. I have copied my newly created filter
below. It should work with the only modification needed being a to the
folder the files are moved to.
Try out on some test messages. By removing the check mark from step 3 you
should be able to see the other result I was getting as well.
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [C352043B.01C9FE99.516A4AD7.006F183A]
Name: test
Filter: {\0d\0a\20`0...@\0d\0a}
ExportMessage FmtText filename
D:\5CDocuments\20and\20Settings\5CStuart\20Cuddy\5CDesktop\5Ctxt.txt
filenamerelative %DESKTOP%\5Ctxt.txt template %TEXT%-\0D\0A
IsManual
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsCheckRule
IsHotkeyOnly
Ignore
endFilter
1
beginFilter
UID: [2840BD27.01C9FE9A.316639BD.66B0D6B3]
Name: test2
Filter: {\0d\0a\20`0...@\0d\0a}
Reply template
%SUBJECT\3D\22ARML\20Online\20Testing\20-\20Confirmation\22%-\0D\0A%SetPattRegExp\3D\27(?is)(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?),\5Cs(.*?)$\27%-\0d\0a%regexpblindmatch\3d\27%text\27%-\0d\0a%to\3d\22%subpatt\3d\2711\27\22%-\0d\0a%from\3d\22regist...@paramedicsofmanitoba.ca\22%-\0d\0ahello\20%subpatt\3d\271\27,\0D\0A\0D\0AThankyou\20for\20registering\20for\20the\20Paramedic\20Association\20of\20Manitoba\27s\0D\0Aonline\20testing\20program.\20Your\20User\20ID\20and\20Password\20are\20listed\20below.\0D\0APlease\20allow\20up\20to\207\20days\20for\20account\20activation.\20If\20you\20are\20unable\0D\0Ato\20login\20after\20this\20time\20please\20contact\20the\20registrar\20at\20the\20address\20below.\0D\0A\0D\0AThe\20direct\20link\20to\20the\20login\20page\20is:\0D\0Ahttp://pam.mytgweb.com\20\20\20\20(Please\20add\20this\20page\20to\20your\20bookmarks)\0D\0A\0D\0AYou\20may\20also\20login\20through\20the\20Paramedic\20Association\20Website\20at:\0D\0Ahttp://www.paramedicsofmanitoba.ca/continuing_education/packages.asp\0D\0A\0D\0AYour\20User\20ID\20is\20%SubPatt\3D\272\27%SubPatt\3D\278\27\20\20\20(Case\20Sensitive)\0D\0AYour\20Password\20is\20%SubPatt\3D\278\27\0D\0A\0D\0A\0D\0AYou\20may\20be\20requested\20to\20change\20your\20password\20on\20entering\20the\20site\20for\0D\0Athe\20first\20time.\20Please\20make\20note\20of\20your\20new\20password\20and\20keep\20it\0D\0Asafe.\0D\0A\0D\0A--\20\0D\0A\20Stuart\20Cuddy\0D\0A\20Registrar\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\20\0D\0A\20Paramedics\20of\20Manitoba\20\20\20mailto:regist...@paramedicsofmanitoba.ca\0d\0a
IsContinue
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
1
beginFilter
UID: [A45C8CE5.01C9FE9A.5CE83533.599C1C06]
Name: test3
Filter: {\0d\0a\20`0...@\0d\0a}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5CIMAP\20Registrar\5CInbox
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
--
Stuart mailto:scu...@mts.net
Using The Bat! v4.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3
Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: IMAP filter problem for drafts
Hallo Peter, On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:56:37 +0200GMT (12-6-2006, 20:56 , where I live), you wrote: PF Am I the only one who thinks it is less than intelligent that common PF filters move messages while they're in the outbox being composed? I guess not, but from the lack of replies I deduce that it isn't a very common problem. -- Groetjes, Roelof Don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out. The Bat! 3.80.06 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpdq6vd5SWT3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.81.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP filter problem for drafts
Roelof, On 13-06-2006 18:09, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess not, but from the lack of replies I deduce that it isn't a very common problem. Yes. Apparently nobody is using client side common filters on IMAP accounts. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.80.06 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 9 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.81.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP filter problem for drafts
Hello beta testers. Am I the only one who thinks it is less than intelligent that common filters move messages while they're in the outbox being composed? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.80.06 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 9 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.62.11: Filter Problem
Hello TB Beta List, I have a filter that is triggered by empty subject - it does nothing but does not continue processing (leaving the mail in the inbox). The filter is: Header field Subject match ^\s*$ I have two emails in my inbox that triggered this filter (I checked these emails with Test Filter). The both have subjects! One of their subject lines is: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?S2V5d29yZCBOZXdzOiBbYWN0dWFyeV0=?= This looks a bit strange, but it is not empty. How is it matching ^\s*$ ? This can be easily reproduced. -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro :beta: 3.62.11 BayesIt! 0.8.4 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.62.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
AVs and filter problem
Hæ! Today, I stumbled on a filter which normally only was set up as an incoming filter, but which also appeared in the Kill filter section as an Ignore filter. Deleting this one gave me AVs and I had to manually kill TB via Task Manager. After restarting TB, both filters were not present anymore. Anybody else encountered this? -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.2.1 Professional PopFile v0.22.0 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +---+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web! | | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1 | +---+ Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP support (was: Filter problem with IMAP account)
Hi, Oliver. Olivier Mascia wrote: Is there some central wish-list about TB IMAP features somewhere ? I'd like to read it and probably add some input. Peter recently started a thread on this topic at: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I found your discussion of POP3/IMAP clients highly interesting and educational, and your suggestion of separating POP3 and IMAP clients to be quite thought provoking. I'm surprised that it hasn't generated more discussion here. In between, I now daily use TB 3.0 for IMAP. But I still need to daily use other clients for some tasks. I am also using multiple clients. However, in my case, usage is reversed. I use mostly other clients, and use TB! only occasionally. There are just too many IMAP features still missing, and that, combined with the performance issues I'm having, makes it too time consuming and frustrating to use on a regular basis. The only fear I have is that the remaining things to add or correct might be too cumbersome to implement in an email client that has to do POP too. The weakiest move of Mulberry was when they decided to add POP support to it. The number of deficiencies sky rocketed at that time. This, too, I find very interesting. I didn't start using Mulberry till recently, so I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for a very stimulating post! -- Keith Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Filter problem with IMAP account
I filter my Inbox for a particular email adress, assign a color group and finally move these messages to another folder. When I use this filter with IMAP provider1 the filter always fails. The result is that these messages stay in the Inbox and don't have the appropriate color. When I invoke the filter manually from the filter properties dialog this works fine !! When I use the same filter with my IMAP provider2 account it works without any problems. That's strange right ? Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong ? -- Michael TheBat! 3.0.0.15 on Windows 2000 Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filter problem with IMAP account
mml, On 19-09-2004 14:02, you [mmd] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: mmd I filter my Inbox for a particular email adress, assign a color group and mmd finally move these messages to another folder. Each time I assign a colour group to an IMAP message, that colour group is lost on moving the message. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.0.15 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filter problem with IMAP account
Mml, [M] wrote: I filter my Inbox for a particular email adress, assign a color group and finally move these messages to another folder. When I use this filter with IMAP provider1 the filter always fails. The result is that these messages stay in the Inbox and don't have the appropriate color. When I invoke the filter manually from the filter properties dialog this works fine !! When I use the same filter with my IMAP provider2 account it works without any problems. That's strange right ? Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong ? This is an interesting insight. I have only one IMAP provider and that's myself. I've been noting that my Inbox filters work when they feel like. Some seem to work consistently, while others don't. Both are filters that look for header string matches. In fact, the one that often doesn't work at all is one that matches all messages not yet already filtered (it's the last filter in the filter set). I've never thought that the filter could be working differently depending on the provider and that this could be a factor in the existence of this annoying problem. All I can say is that you're certainly not alone with this problem and that it isn't your fault or anything you're doing wrong. It's just TB! IMAP and we have to wait for a fix if we're up to waiting. Does your provider allow for server side filtering? Many providers allow for webmail control of IMAP accounts. These webmail interfaces often allow for filtering. You could setup filters there and then let TB!'s broken filtering do as little as possible. This is my current system of dealing with things. I'd go nuts and run if I had to filter all my IMAP mail with TB!. -- -= Allie =- . Imagination is more important than knowledge - Einstein ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.0.15 | SquirrelMail WebMail IMAP Server: Mdaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filter problem with IMAP account
Peter Fjelsten, [PF] wrote: Each time I assign a colour group to an IMAP message, that colour group is lost on moving the message. This isn't surprising since moving the message moves the message to another IMAP folder on the server. TB! sync's with this IMAP folder which holds no information about colour group assignment, a purely local feature for TB!. As a result, there is no colour group assignment when you check the message in the other folder. You may propose then that RL implements a system when the colour group is locally reassigned when the message is moved. I'd wonder why bother since it really isn't worth the hassle. If you fire up another TB! client on another machine and access the IMAP account, all colour groups assigned via the initial TB! installation will not be seen. What's the point then of using an attribute that doesn't carry across to other IMAP clients? If you use a single client, then why use IMAP then? TB! needs to implement the added message attributes that are standard for the IMAP protocol, so that when you label the message, ThunderBird will show it, Mulberry will show it, and last but not least, your other TB! installations at other locations will show it. I'd personally disagree with the proposal that they commit efforts at making colour groups work better when it's only local. -- -= Allie =- . It's smart to pick your friends, but not to pieces. ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.0.15 | SquirrelMail WebMail IMAP Server: Mdaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.00.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro/Quick template/Filter problem and suggestion
On Friday 8 September 2000 Januk Aggarwal wrote: A quick question, do you filter all these subscriptions to individual folders? If you do, have you considered using folder level templates? Yes and no. I filter to different folders based on the subject of the list, but many lists usually go into each folder. All TB lists in one, NT devel lists in another, chat lists in another etc. This gives me more flexibility too: I can move lists around between folders if I like, and the recipient template follows. After performing any edit on the message, auto templates no longer work. I can sympathize with your predicament, but this is the way TB should handle the templates. Oh, absolutely. I wasn't suggesting TB should do this otherwise. I'm just pointing out that as an inevitable consequence, I end up having to do more work than I'd like to recover from forgetting to set the To: line *before* touching the message body. I can't reproduce. TB won't let me send a message with no To: or BCC: field filled in. I wasn't clear, sorry: I meant "forget to change the To: header from TB's default to what I think it should be". Since I usually to Reply To All, then cut'n'paste the resulting addresses to the right place, this is usually the original author, not the list. The act of fiddling the To: header then activates the auto template, assuming I haven't actually edited the message body yet. (Normal Reply isn't flexible enough for me - I don't want to be at the mercy of listserv's Reply-To: munging, and for some lists I'm on replies to both list and author are more appropriate. Roll on the scriptable TBv2 so I can define a Reply My Way button!) I'll second that. But let's let Stefan enjoy his vacation and Max his honeymoon for now. Well, quite. I wasn't demanding it yesterday! :-) While I agree this would be useful, I think it would need to be implemented as an Advanced flag. As long as the capability is there, I'm not too bothered about how I access it, and I certainly wouldn't want to trample on functionality that other people currently find useful. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
