Re: First Impressions
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:40:23 +0700 GMT (21/05/2005, 09:40 +0700 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? MS Which sort of problem? TF 2.) When checking mail, the download speed is dobule-digit. For TF example 82 CPS instead of the usual 3000 or so. The problem is not my TF internet connection, as the browser and the FTP client work with the TF usual speeds. Also, I can see that TB downloads mails for a few TF seconds, and then the DUN shows idle (no traffic) for a minute, and TF then download of mails start again. TF 3.) This is not a problem with TB, Funny thing is, the problem has completely disappeared since I installed 3.5.25. Of course, I played with a lot of unistalling and installing programs to see who is the culprit and nothing helped. Was it TB? Cannot tell, but fact is, the problem is gone. TF So, my next idea is a complete Windows reinstall. I'm glad I didn't do that. -- Cheers, Thomas. Top 10 Reasons To Go To Work Naked: 7. To stop those creepy guys in Marketing from looking down your blouse. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[6]: First Impressions
On 5/25/05, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that the installer works for us and not for you points to something amiss in your registry. Gleason, there seems to be some miscommunication. The installer works fine for me. My complaint is only that the installer does not go far enough, because I don't have an option with the installer to set up OTFE while upgrading an installation. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: First Impressions
Okay, Gleason, but still MS Office Packs install automatically. I'm saying that I have seen situations when they didn't. I mean, what am I supposed to do if there is something lurking in my registry? I probably would not know what to look for and would only find it after the installation went awry anyway. Maybe not, but your chances are better. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hi Avi, On 25/5/2005 8:17 AM +0300, you wrote: Okay. So be it. But, for what it's worth, I was not baiting anyone as you speculated. Certainly, I had no conscious intention of that sort. Oh. I forgot about that little part. I certainly accept your denial of my speculated claim! That was a added jab that I could only speculate. :)) I can also understand your caution. If that's your reason for not using, I understand you now even more. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Virtual Reality. Current beta is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: First Impressions
On 5/25/05, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, Gleason, but still MS Office Packs install automatically. I'm saying that I have seen situations when they didn't. Sorry, I meant to say Windows Updates. And, yes, I did encounter one or two problematic updates that I had to manually work around. But on those very rare occasions, the manual fix was not that big a detail... relatively speaking. I mean, what am I supposed to do if there is something lurking in my registry? I probably would not know what to look for and would only find it after the installation went awry anyway. Maybe not, but your chances are better. Well, Gleason, first of all, when we end up talking about a situation where chances are better with an installation of OTFE, I guess that sums up why I have not done it yet. Second, maybe your chances would be better with the manual process... but I suspect for most people their chances would be better with an automated process. Imagine how many TBs would be sold if Ritlabs provided a bunch of files and lengthy but vague instructions on where each file had to go and what you had to write into your registry just to install the software! Personally, I don't think that this case is significantly different. Ritlabs is telling me that I can get a feature, but I have to do a backup, uninstall the program so that I can do a clean install, and then after my clean install try to import my old settings and directories and templates and whatever else I had, keeping my fingers crossed that not too much will go wrong in this process, which you assure me will take only ten minutes, inshaallah. Anyway, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. But despite the fact that you think my chances would be better with that manual approach, do you see any technical difficulty with Ritlabs providing an automated script for the process, assuming someone (like me) would feel more secure with the spoonfed process? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/25/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh. I forgot about that little part. I certainly accept your denial of my speculated claim! That was a added jab that I could only speculate. :)) I can also understand your caution. If that's your reason for not using, I understand you now even more. Allie, I am glad we sorted that out. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: First Impressions
Avi, Looks like I am preparing this second message without AV's. Anyway,Iguesswewillhavetoagreetodisagree.Butdespitethe factthatyouthinkmychanceswouldbebetterwiththatmanual approach,doyouseeanytechnicaldifficultywithRitlabsproviding anautomatedscriptfortheprocess,assumingsomeone(likeme)would feelmoresecurewiththespoonfedprocess? As I said, the reason the automated idea can fail, just like the installer itself fails now in some cases, is that entries in the registry can become corrupted. There is no way to guess how the entries might be scrambled. The fact that the installer works for us and not for you points to something amiss in your registry. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5.0.16onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: First Impressions
On 5/23/05, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unplanned things happen in the registry sometimes. This causes programs to act broken. Even Microsoft can have this problem. Applying MS Office Service packs comes to mind. Visual Studio too. The normal thing that most of us see is that the new TB 3.5 installed without a hitch. There is no way RIT can know what might be lurking in your registry. It takes a human eye to sort things out like that sometimes. Okay, Gleason, but still MS Office Packs install automatically. I mean, what am I supposed to do if there is something lurking in my registry? I probably would not know what to look for and would only find it after the installation went awry anyway. I imagine this is the case with at least 90% of the people who upgraded to 3.0Pro. So why not give us the automatic script to set up OTFE and then provide support in case something goes wrong after that? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/23/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allie, I never before saw Shakespeare get such a bad reaction. :-) Anyway, perhaps you misunderstood. I don't think so. My reaction wasn't one of being upset or anything related to that. It was quite an emotion free response. Just a candid one really. After this clarifying message, I still have the same position. Okay. So be it. But, for what it's worth, I was not baiting anyone as you speculated. Certainly, I had no conscious intention of that sort. All I meant to say was that on this list alone I see many people praising IMAP to the sky and the same people getting caught up in lengthy discussions about IMAP problems. Well, your response explains it. If we have high praises about it, this means that we find using the protocol to be extremely useful. It's only natural then that we'll discuss at length, the problems we're having with it. I think my point was how non-IMAP threads get hijacked even at the merest whiff of an IMAP connection. But, again, let's just agree to disagree here. Stable email is a vital component of my work. POP3 is stable, while IMAP seems to still have many attendant problems in areas that I take for granted with POP3. Maybe I am wrong about this, but I prefer to err on the side of caution - similar to my approach with OTFE. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/19/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To paraphrase the Bard, methinks the IMAP people doth protest too much. I don't know where to start, so I will not. shrug I guess it must be bait, and bad bait at that, which I'll not bite. Not worth discussing. But just to say I saw it, couldn't disagree more with it, and that it's an opinion based on ignorance. Allie, I never before saw Shakespeare get such a bad reaction. :-) Anyway, perhaps you misunderstood. All I meant to say was that on this list alone I see many people praising IMAP to the sky and the same people getting caught up in lengthy discussions about IMAP problems. For example, this topic alone seems to have been largely hijacked into a discussion of IMAP headers. :-( So I just don't get inspired by this to invest the time that IMAP seems to require. Anyway... If we shadows have offended, Think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumber'd here While these visions did appear. And this weak and idle theme, No more yielding but a dream, Gentles, do not reprehend: if you pardon, we will mend: And, as I am an honest Puck, If we have unearned luck Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue, We will make amends ere long; Else the Puck a liar call; So, good night unto you all. Give me your hands, if we be friends, And Robin shall restore amends. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/19/05, Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Backup takes 2 minutes to start: just select everything. It may take some time to run it but you are not working during this time... :-) The in RegEdit, just delete everything to do with RitLabs and TheBat (make sure you have kept the e-mail with your registration code). Peter, I understand the spirit of what you are saying, and I appreciate your effort to allay my concerns and guide me. I guess I am just nervous about doing something that Ritlabs cannot automate for some reason that is lost on me. And my nervousness stems from cases where people talk about the problems they have when they try to follow this manual procedure. But nobody answered my question. Why is it that this process cannot be automated? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Automated backup (was: First Impressions)
Hello Avi, On Mon, 23 May 2005 19:16:18 +0700 GMT (23/05/2005, 19:16 +0700 GMT), Avi Yashar wrote: AY But nobody answered my question. Why is it that this process cannot be AY automated? My guess is that is because it takes a long time and you are not able to work during that time. -- Cheers, Thomas. If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hi Avi, On 23/5/2005 7:12 PM +0700, you wrote: Allie, I never before saw Shakespeare get such a bad reaction. :-) Anyway, perhaps you misunderstood. I don't think so. My reaction wasn't one of being upset or anything related to that. It was quite an emotion free response. Just a candid one really. After this clarifying message, I still have the same position. All I meant to say was that on this list alone I see many people praising IMAP to the sky and the same people getting caught up in lengthy discussions about IMAP problems. Well, your response explains it. If we have high praises about it, this means that we find using the protocol to be extremely useful. It's only natural then that we'll discuss at length, the problems we're having with it. The very same happens concerning other aspects of TB!. You could replace 'IMAP' with 'TB!' in your statement, and someone looking in, wondering what the fuss with TB! is about, could be saying the same thing. Of course, we know better and fully understand why TB! is discussed so much and why so much time is put into it, right? We see the returns. Returns that are determined/affected by our personal needs and preferences and tastes. :) -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Restless Sleep. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: First Impressions
Avi, Peter, I understand the spirit of what you are saying, and I appreciate your effort to allay my concerns and guide me. I guess I am just nervous about doing something that Ritlabs cannot automate for some reason that is lost on me. And my nervousness stems from cases where people talk about the problems they have when they try to follow this manual procedure. But nobody answered my question. Why is it that this process cannot be automated? Unplanned things happen in the registry sometimes. This causes programs to act broken. Even Microsoft can have this problem. Applying MS Office Service packs comes to mind. Visual Studio too. The normal thing that most of us see is that the new TB 3.5 installed without a hitch. There is no way RIT can know what might be lurking in your registry. It takes a human eye to sort things out like that sometimes. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Thomas, On 21-05-2005 04:32, you [TF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PF Common lore dictates that deleting all TB!-related registry keys TF That's my question: Which keys are there, except for the one I mention TF above? Personally I would search for all keys or data containing ritlabs and bat - but if you already have done this, I honestly do not know what could be wrong. I don't run with OTFE myself, I am just repeating what has been said many times by others. Ritlabs, where are you? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Arjan. --On 20 May 2005 02:00 +0200 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: Yes, but now your Mail Transfer System has messed up my carefully reconstructeded References headerline again! Sorryey :) ^^ -- Tony. M. pgpr71oczty8k.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Peter, On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:29:31 +0200 GMT (20/05/2005, 03:29 +0700 GMT), Peter Fjelsten wrote: TF Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, TF but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? PF Hmm. Of course you need the Pro version of TB! but I assume you have PF that? Yes. PF Common lore dictates that deleting all TB!-related registry keys That's my question: Which keys are there, except for the one I mention above? -- Cheers, Thomas. BROT trocknet nicht so rasch aus, wenn man es stets in einem Eimer mit Wasser lagert. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Martin, On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:54:45 +0200 GMT (20/05/2005, 02:54 +0700 GMT), Martin Schoch wrote: Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? MS Which sort of problem? 1.) When I open TB, the cursor changes into an hourglass as usual. But then, when I expect TB to open, the cursor changes back to normal. Wait 10 to 30 seconds, and TB opens as usual. 2.) When checking mail, the download speed is dobule-digit. For example 82 CPS instead of the usual 3000 or so. The problem is not my internet connection, as the browser and the FTP client work with the usual speeds. Also, I can see that TB downloads mails for a few seconds, and then the DUN shows idle (no traffic) for a minute, and then download of mails start again. 3.) This is not a problem with TB, because this problem started last month when I stupidly installed something. But didn't change anything in TB on that day. 4.) I completely uninstalled and reinstalled TB. No improvement. I then restored my system to a date before that fatal install (thanks to Mary for pointing out to me where that XP function is), and while I suddenly had a much earlier version of TB (so my XP really went back in time), the problem still persisted. I have now undone the restore and am back in the present (even though I just saw that I am now using 3.5RC9 instead of the release version, but that's a minor issue). So, my next idea is a complete Windows reinstall. Unless anybody has another idea. -- Cheers, Thomas. What to not say to the nice policeman: Hey, can you give me another one of those full body cavity searches? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Arjan. --On 19 May 2005 00:34 +0200 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: That's NOT good! These ones are OK aren't they? That was the point I tried to make. No, the point you tried to make is it was Mulberries fault, it wasn't. -- Tony. M. pgp9X65oXRi3G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Mic Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't understand the enormous faith people place in GMail/Google. A free service under someone else's care. No thanks. Mic, I think if you examine your life you will discover that you also place a lot of faith in free services that are under someone else's care. I would find it quite sad if the only thing you believe in is what you pay for. We used to call that cruising for a bruising. :-) Anyway, Google/Gmail earns a lot of revenue on this so-called free service that you are talking about. And there is nothing absolutely certain - or more certain - about a product just because you happen to pay for it. The real question is only - will the product still be available and functional tomorrow. I think that Gmail is a likely bet - as likely as any other service provider I can think of and more likely than any PC that I might convert into my own jerryrigged IMAP server. But perhaps you are thinking in terms of privacy. I see that issue in a layered fashion. My first - and most significant - layer of personal protection is the care that I take in the words that I write. Even if all of my mail were to be made public tomorrow (an unlikely eventuality that might bankrupt Google due to such a betrayal of trust), I doubt that I would feel personally embarrassed. I would, however, be furious about the infringement of other people's privacy and the fact that the leak was through my accounts. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is there. As has been discussed almost hundreds of times you need to do a fresh install. Make a backup of _everything_, delete registry keys and reinstall. Then install again. Peter, I don't mean to be a nudnik or whatever, but I just don't feel comfortable with that type of instruction. Before I do this, I want to know how I will restore my data base, my templates, my address book, and my various settings. I also want to know how long the process will take. You say: It should take no more than 10 mins. Well, I find that hard to believe. And if this process can be automated, then why doesn't someone from Ritlabs - or some other programmer or volunteer - put together a script that will take me through the transition in a painless and tension-free manner? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Matt Thoene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, May 15, 2005 @ 7:54:58 PM [-0700], Avi Yashar wrote: (or my own domain Webmail) ...that most likely is using IMAP... Well, Matt, my Webhosting provider does not give me an IMAP option - only a POP3 option. To get the IMAP option I would have to pay more and also upgrade to a virtual server (which I would have to maintain rather than have a Webhosting provider maintain it for me). So I think your assumption is wrong. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allie, I appreciate your sincerity, but... I have all of those conditions but none of those problems. The reason is because instead of setting up my own IMAP server (a dedicated computer or whatever I would have to do), I don't have my IMAP server on dedicated machine. :) Yes, but the last time we discussed the subject, it looked like my best option would be to run IMAP on my own dedicated machine. So that has to be factored in when you consider people in situations like mine (as you mention below). I let Google (or my own domain Webmail) handle the central storage headache for me. You put a lot of trust in such a service. More power to you. I store my own mail on my personal machine and back it up regularly. As with everything and everyone else, for me trust is a relative concept. The questions are only trust someone/something to do what and for how long. Right now, I consider Google to have the necessary level of trustworthiness to store mail that I might want to access from anywhere and at any time. Most commonly, I lose connection with my server, if I lose connection with the Internet in general. Additionally, the occasional problem with my personal server is less frequent as problems I have with other online services. It's far more reliable than you may realize. As I've said before, my only regret with all this is fearing the reliability issues and not actually doing it earlier. That is not the case with my own server (not my own virtual server but only Web hosting provided by StartLogic). The company claims to have 99.9% uptime, but things can get very slow and scheduled maintenances do occur. In contrast, Gmail seems more reliable to me. But, hey, this is starting to sound like I am a salesman for Google. I am not. I just happen to appreciate Gmail in comparison to other freemail servers that I have used for the same or similar purposes. Sure. Your choice. Hopefully, this little discussion will stimulate others into trying IMAP in situations as yours. :) By the way, I am not opposed to IMAP. And I have tried it. But all of the discussion about bugs in IMAP - and people moving from TB to Mulberry to get stable IMAP - were not much of an encouragement for me to tread that path. To paraphrase the Bard, methinks the IMAP people doth protest too much. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Avi, On 17-05-2005 11:22, you [AY] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AY Peter, I don't mean to be a nudnik or whatever, but I just don't AY feel comfortable with that type of instruction. OK. AY Before I do this, I want to know how I will restore my data base, my AY templates, my address book, and my various settings. I also want to AY know how long the process will take. If you search for old messages on this list, it has been explained in detail. I'm afraid I am a bit to busy to find the relevant post for you. But it's there. AY You say: It should take no more than 10 mins. AY Well, I find that hard to believe. And if this process can be AY automated, then why doesn't someone from Ritlabs - or some other AY programmer or volunteer - put together a script that will take me AY through the transition in a painless and tension-free manner? Backup takes 2 minutes to start: just select everything. It may take some time to run it but you are not working during this time... :-) The in RegEdit, just delete everything to do with RitLabs and TheBat (make sure you have kept the e-mail with your registration code). -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 @ 2:00:04 AM [-0700], Avi Yashar wrote: (or my own domain Webmail) ...that most likely is using IMAP... Well, Matt, my Webhosting provider does not give me an IMAP option - only a POP3 option. To get the IMAP option I would have to pay more and also upgrade to a virtual server (which I would have to maintain rather than have a Webhosting provider maintain it for me). So I think your assumption is wrong. What I meant was, most webmail clients use IMAP to connect to their mail server. I thought maybe you were controlling your own mail server but I was wrong. Sorry. -- Matt Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hi Avi, On 17/05/2005 12:43 PM +0300, you wrote: Ah darn. You I was going along with you until you wrote this. :) To paraphrase the Bard, methinks the IMAP people doth protest too much. I don't know where to start, so I will not. shrug I guess it must be bait, and bad bait at that, which I'll not bite. Not worth discussing. But just to say I saw it, couldn't disagree more with it, and that it's an opinion based on ignorance. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters! Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Peter, On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:44:31 +0200 GMT (19/05/2005, 22:44 +0700 GMT), Peter Fjelsten wrote: PF The in RegEdit, just delete everything to do with RitLabs and TheBat PF (make sure you have kept the e-mail with your registration code). Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? -- Cheers, Thomas. The real question for 1988 is whether we're going to go forward to tomorrow or past to the--to the back! --V.P. Dan Quayle. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:58:00 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: That's NOT good! These ones are OK aren't they? Not quite. Now your Reference header has two Message-IDs separated by nine spaces. But TB! can handle that. That was the point I tried to make. No, the point you tried to make is it was Mulberries fault, it wasn't. Well, if it makes you feel better... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Arjan. --On 19 May 2005 22:08 +0200 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: Well, if it makes you feel better... I didn't feel bad to start with! -- Tony. M. pgpyeuOgT4xbQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Thomas, On 19-05-2005 18:51, you [TF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TF Give me a hint here. I deleted HKCU/Software/RIT, reinstalled TB, TF but I still have a problem. What other keys do I need to delete? Hmm. Of course you need the Pro version of TB! but I assume you have that? Common lore dictates that deleting all TB!-related registry keys and reinstalling should do the trick. If not, it sounds like a bug report. Remember to use the backup of TB! first... :-) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.11 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:22:57 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Well, if it makes you feel better... I didn't feel bad to start with! Yes, but now your Mail Transfer System has messed up my carefully reconstructeded References headerline again! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:49:13 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Wrong! Mulberry is not at fault in any way shape or form. I was of the same opinion as you, I was defending TB! with my life. However it has been irrefutably proved to me that my server is at fault and NOT Mulberry. Mulberry has just managed to highlight bugs in my server setup. So, what you're saying is that your mailserver 1) strips those from Message-IDs. 2) ruthlessly reformats the References headerline, cutting individual Message-IDs in half. That's NOT good! Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Wrong again, there is only one that, even though on first appearances seems to work properly, doesn't and it's not Mulberry. Be it Mulberry or your mailserversoftware, if the References header gets mangled and/or TB! doesn't recognize valid Message-IDs, it should come as no surprise that it can not handle Message threading the way it should. That was the point I tried to make. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 17:53 -0500 Allie Martin wrote about... Re: First Impressions: Did you reply to another message when sending this message? Yes I did. Don't see much point to the question otherwise. As soon as I get all the kids off to school and do my chores I'm going to read through all 4 PDF files I've downloaded. I have: advmulberry.pdf quickwin.pdf winref.pdf winstarted.pdf Are there any other you know of I should read? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:43:10 +0100, Clive Taylor wrote: MAU was right in an earlier message about your headers. For some reason the leading and trailing are being stripped from the message references. Yes. Mulberry shouldn't do that as it is against RFC-XXX (don't know which one) recommendations/rules. Compare mine in the post I just made in this thread from Mulberry and yours - there is a difference. Why it's happening I don't know, though. Let me quote the relevant header part of your message: | In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]@neurowerx.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | .12] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mailsnare.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] This looks like a right mess. For one reason or another TB! adds backslashes before the dots in the domain part of the Message-ID in the In-Reply-To header line. Perhaps it thinks it should be treated as a regular Expression? Moreover, my antique TB! 2.12 doesn't even recognize the format [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a Message-ID! On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Oh welll, I've seen even worse... Arjan shrug -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions (correction)
(First message had inccorrectly quoted headerlines) On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:43:10 +0100, Clive Taylor wrote: MAU was right in an earlier message about your headers. For some reason the leading and trailing are being stripped from the message references. Yes. Mulberry shouldn't do that as it is against RFC-XXX (don't know which one) recommendations/rules. Compare mine in the post I just made in this thread from Mulberry and yours - there is a difference. Why it's happening I don't know, though. Let me quote the relevant header part of your message: | In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | .12] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] This looks like a right mess. For one reason or another TB! adds backslashes before the dots in the domain part of the Message-ID in the In-Reply-To header line. Perhaps it thinks it should be treated as a regular Expression? Moreover, my antique TB! 2.12 doesn't even recognize the format [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a Message-ID! On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Oh welll, I've seen even worse... Arjan shrug -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Arjan. --On 18 May 2005 03:25 +0200 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Wrong! Mulberry is not at fault in any way shape or form. I was of the same opinion as you, I was defending TB! with my life. However it has been irrefutably proved to me that my server is at fault and NOT Mulberry. Mulberry has just managed to highlight bugs in my server setup. Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Wrong again, there is only one that, even though on first appearances seems to work properly, doesn't and it's not Mulberry. The Bat is primarily a POP email client. The IMAP capability of TB! is still in it's infancy and you can't perfect something as complicated as IMAP in a day. As Stefan said... S So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many S things will be rewritten) I for one am thoroughly looking forward to testing it and the more people that use IMAP the sooner TB! will be up to standard I'm not using Mulberry because I prefer it to The Bat, nothing could be further from the truth. I'm using Mulberry because I prefer IMAP. Praise be to Allie for introducing me to it. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 @ 10:49:13 PM [-0700], Tony Boom wrote: S So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many S things will be rewritten) I for one am thoroughly looking forward to testing it and the more people that use IMAP the sooner TB! will be up to standard Whoa...I had not seen this one. Exciting. Praise be to Allie for introducing me to it. Hah...nice play on words there... -- Matt Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Matt. --On 17 May 2005 22:56 -0700 you wrote about Re: First Impressions: Hah...nice play on words there... Glad someone noticed :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Allie, A reminder of what Allie Martin on TBBETA typed on: 15 May 2005 at 23:43:54 GMT +0200 This isn't what they're referring to. It's your In-Reply-to headers. Would you check the messages in your Sent Folder. See if they In-Reply-to headers have the message id enclosed in . In that case I don't know what they're referring to. When I reply they are the 3 choices or reply address I get so I choose the list address. And no it doesn't contain any . I just reply, choose the list address as provided which I presume is taken from the post I'm replying to and that's it. This post should be OK, I'm sending it with The Bat. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Jonathan, A reminder of what Jonathan Angliss on TBBETA typed on: 15 May 2005 at 00:20:17 GMT +0200 RFC2822 says that the must be there (section 3.6.4). Looks like Mulberry needs to have that fixed It's not a Mulberry problem, it's mine. Allie uses Mulberry and his is fine. I just got to suss out why mine is all to cock. I'm back in TB! now so these should be fine and, so far TB's IMAP is running OK here. Truth is, before Friday afternoon I was a Virgin... IMAP virgin that is and I just have to perfect my technique :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Avi, On 15-05-2005 15:57, you [AY] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AY Unfortunately, I am still waiting for OTFE. It is there. As has been discussed almost hundreds of times you need to do a fresh install. Make a backup of _everything_, delete registry keys and reinstall. Then install again. It should take no more than 10 mins. AY Yes, it might be there already and working quite well, but why must AY I do a fresh install to get it? That's the way it is. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 9:54:58 PM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: Allie, I appreciate your sincerity, but... I have all of those conditions but none of those problems. The reason is because instead of setting up my own IMAP server (a dedicated computer or whatever I would have to do), I don't have my IMAP server on dedicated machine. :) I let Google (or my own domain Webmail) handle the central storage headache for me. You put a lot of trust in such a service. More power to you. I store my own mail on my personal machine and back it up regularly. Right now I am sitting in the airport, waiting for a flight and replying to your letter. I am not worried about losing any mail. I don't need to connect to my homemade IMAP server. I don't have to leave a homemade IMAP server in place and worry about blackouts or poor connections. Most commonly, I lose connection with my server, if I lose connection with the Internet in general. Additionally, the occasional problem with my personal server is less frequent as problems I have with other online services. It's far more reliable than you may realize. As I've said before, my only regret with all this is fearing the reliability issues and not actually doing it earlier. I just connect to my Gmail account and download the latest mail. My connection speed issues from work exist no matter which IMAP server I may connect to. 256Kbps from home is more than adequate. It's just that I don't get that from my office LAN out to the Internet and to my machine at home. I don't see how I am jumping through any special hoops. It seems like I have less hoops than ever before. I did not need to buy another email client just to accommodate IMAP nor have I had to pull my hair out over TB's IMAP implementation. So, for now at least, I stick with POP3, primitive as it might be. Sure. Your choice. Hopefully, this little discussion will stimulate others into trying IMAP in situations as yours. :) -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Never enter a battle of wits unarmed. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
It's not a Mulberry problem, it's mine. Allie uses Mulberry and his is fine. I just got to suss out why mine is all to cock. I confirm that, Tony. Mulberry messages always thread OK in TB here. Have you gone through the full help file PDF? Some of Mulberry's options are even more strangely located than TB's! -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Clive, A reminder of what Clive Taylor on TBBETA typed on: 16 May 2005 at 14:07:17 GMT +0200 I confirm that, Tony. Mulberry messages always thread OK in TB here. Have you gone through the full help file PDF? Some of Mulberry's options are even more strangely located than TB's! I have been reading the PDF's but only as far as rules and filters are concerned. I'm still waiting for my registration code from them. I've got 4 different PDF's, ranging from quick start to advanced. I'll have a read up on it. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
I've got 4 different PDF's, ranging from quick start to advanced. I'll have a read up on it. It's worth reading the full help file - lots of useful info there. BTW I'm replying to this using Mulberry. Interesting to see if it does thread OK in view of your comments. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: First Impressions
Hello Tony, Monday, May 16, 2005, 3:53:40 AM, you wrote: TB In that case I don't know what they're referring to. When I reply they are TB the 3 choices or reply address I get so I choose the list address. And no TB it doesn't contain any . TB I just reply, choose the list address as provided which I presume is taken TB from the post I'm replying to and that's it. TB This post should be OK, I'm sending it with The Bat. Yes this one is OK. What Allie was referring to is the header In-Reply-To: and References you see when pushing F9 while viewing a message. I'm not sure if you can see the headers in Mulberry or not. I don't think it actually has anything to do with the address you send it to. I am guessing here but I believe the way it works is that when you send a message it is given a message ID or mid that is created specifically for that message. It is in the form of an email address (sort of) that might look like [EMAIL PROTECTED] . When you reply to a message a header is created called: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and another one called: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume each email client uses a different formula to come up with these mids, but I really don't know. I think the experts on the list could expound. When someone replies to your reply the Reference header will look like the following: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and after several replies back and forth like this: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is these headers that are used when you select thread by Reference. Now for your problem. Your copy of Mulberry, not Allie's, seems to not enclose your mid in . In other words your message has References that look like this. References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] That small difference seems to make your messages not thread correctly. Again in The Bat! use F9 to view the headers and this info for the message you are viewing. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 13:51 +0100 Clive Taylor wrote about... Re: First Impressions: BTW I'm replying to this using Mulberry. Interesting to see if it does thread OK in view of your comments. Well I have no idea, I'm in the hands of the professionals... I get the impression from another source that it may have been the message I replied to, something about low or high level domains... It lost me to be honest. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony, Monday, May 16, 2005, 3:43:30 PM, you wrote: Well I have no idea, I'm in the hands of the professionals OK. If I thread messages in TB by reference only, my message and your reply don't attach themselves to the original thread BUT threading by reference + subject does thread them properly. I seem to recall some discussion about this but didn't take in the details at the time. -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 13:06 +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mulberry messages always thread OK in TB here. Just testing really. Completely uninstalled and reinstalled again to see if I can sort this threading discrepancy out. Well, has it? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 16-Mai-2005 at 20:22 you (Tony Boom) wrote: Well, has it? No, sorry. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Suzuki (6:03) by Tosca from the 2001 album 'Space Night vol. 6 (CD1)' Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Clive Taylor everyone else, on 16-Mai-2005 at 14:51 you (Clive Taylor) wrote: BTW I'm replying to this using Mulberry. Interesting to see if it does thread OK in view of your comments. Yes, it does. Thats odd. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Homebase (7:15) by dZihan Kamien from the 2001 album 'Space Night vol. 6 (CD1)' Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 21:55 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote about... Re: First Impressions: No, sorry. Oh well, not to worry. Try threading by subject, that should cure it :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 21:57 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote about... Re: First Impressions: Yes, it does. Thats odd. Are you threading by subject or reference? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 16-Mai-2005 at 22:13 you (Tony Boom) wrote: No, sorry. Oh well, not to worry. Try threading by subject, that should cure it :) The question is, why are Clive Taylors messages threaded correctly, and yours are not? Btw. I just noticed that the new re-threading function of TB can't re-thread messages that already are inside a thread (your message shows up as a reply to your own message). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. - Sir Isaac Newton Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 16-Mai-2005 at 22:14 you (Tony Boom) wrote: Yes, it does. Thats odd. Are you threading by subject or reference? By reference only. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Truth is the object of philosophy, but not always of philosophers. -- John Churton Collins Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 22:21 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote about... Re: First Impressions: The question is, why are Clive Taylors messages threaded correctly, and yours are not? I don't know, I'll ask him... Clive, why are your messages threading OK and mine aren't? Are you using a bigger needle than me or what? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 22:25 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote about... Re: First Impressions: By reference only. Can you try by Subject only and let me know what happens please? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Alexander, Are you threading by subject or reference? By reference only. You can _only_ thread by reference, by Subject is _grouping_ ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony, The question is, why are Clive Taylors messages threaded correctly, and yours are not? I don't know, I'll ask him... Clive, why are your messages threading OK and mine aren't? Are you using a bigger needle than me or what? His replies are properly enclosing MIDs between in In-Reply-To and References headers. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 22:58 +0200 MAU wrote about... Re: First Impressions: His replies are properly enclosing MIDs between in In-Reply-To and References headers. Your not listening to me are you :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
The question is, why are Clive Taylors messages threaded correctly, and yours are not? And Allie's thread OK, too. I wonder if it's a SMTP server issue at Tony's end? -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony, Monday, May 16, 2005, 9:31:34 PM, you wrote: Clive, why are your messages threading OK and mine aren't? Are you using a bigger needle than me or what? Yes. Seriously though, I don't know what the issue is here. I don't think it's TB and I've been using Mulberry with IMAP long enough in conjunction with TB to have spotted a problem like this. I'll look through my settings tomorrow and PM you if I can find a few things for you to fiddle with. You might also ask the question in the Mulberry discussion group. They're a bit sniffy there sometimes but Cyrus Daboo, the developer, will always respond to a PM. -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 22:14 +0100 Clive Taylor wrote about... Re: First Impressions: And Allie's thread OK, too. I wonder if it's a SMTP server issue at Tony's end? No, it's not. The headers are the same when they're in the draft box, before they're sent. Looks like no one noticed my little laps into sarcasm earlier? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
No, it's not. The headers are the same when they're in the draft box, before they're sent. OK. I've just replied to one of your messages in TBUDL to say that there's no problem with threading there. Back to M*L*ER*Y for this message to see what happens. -- Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
No, it's not. The headers are the same when they're in the draft box, before they're sent. MAU was right in an earlier message about your headers. For some reason the leading and trailing are being stripped from the message references. Compare mine in the post I just made in this thread from Mulberry and yours - there is a difference. Why it's happening I don't know, though. -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony, Your not listening to me are you :) No, of course. I'm reading your lips ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Monday, May 16, 2005 at 1:22:55 PM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote: Completely uninstalled and reinstalled again to see if I can sort this threading discrepancy out. Well, has it? I can't tell since this message contains no In-Reply-To or Reference headers. Did you reply to another message when sending this message? -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
First Impressions
I think this is the best appearance TB has ever had. But that's a very superficial observation. I have to admit that I am still missing the promise of TB Pro that I bought with the 3.x series. I am a basic user. For the most part, I do with TB what I did - very stably - with 1.62. I still don't use IMAP - don't know that I ever will use IMAP - but, while I am glad to hear that IMAP is working better than ever before, this was promised to us in the 2.x series. It's just an old debt. With 3.x, particularly 3.x Pro, I expected to get a better level of security. Unfortunately, I am still waiting for OTFE. Yes, it might be there already and working quite well, but why must I do a fresh install to get it? I have settings that I like and a huge database of mail. A fresh install is a daunting task. Can I import all of my messages? Can I import my quick templates? Can I import my familiar settings (some of which I lost with the upgrade to 3.5 and had to struggle to restore - mainly because I could not find any documentation on the new interface, and - well - good as it may be, it is also somewhat confusing to locate and set up shortcuts, especially when the keys have changed and the commands appear in multiple places). Okay, I don't want to complain too much. I think this was probably a needed facelift for TB and the work done is highly commendable. But I do find it annoying when all of a sudden the Connection Centre opens in the background and Ctrl-F brings up a refilter dialog box instead of a search dialog box. And I would dearly like to try the OTFE if only I could get it without having to start all over again, so to speak. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 15 May 2005 16:57 +0300 Avi Yashar wrote about... First Impressions: I still don't use IMAP - don't know that I ever will use IMAP I thought exactly the same. Reading all the horror stories about it on these lists I thought I was happy with POP. But Allie can be a very persuasive man and succumb I did, very glad I did too. So much so I bought a client who's primary function is IMAP with POP being secondary, the opposite of The Bat! I still use TB! for my POP account though and as soon as IMAP is perfected in TB! I'll used that instead of Mulberry. It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but IMAP is well worth it. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 15-Mai-2005 at 18:57 you (Tony Boom) wrote: It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but IMAP is well worth it. Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To: headers. WTF? Question to everyone: is this only happening to me? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Berra's Second Law: Anyone who is popular is bound to be disliked. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but IMAP is well worth it. Actually, I find that IMAP has simplified my email life. No juggling of message bases, no danger of different email clients in different locations being out of sync, no danger that a HD crash will destroy a year's messages - and with Mulberry a stress-free, almost boring dependability (although this version of TB is better by far than previous versions for IMAP). -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
and with Mulberry a stress-free, almost boring dependability I meant reliability. Too long a word for Sunday afternoon! -- Regards, Clive Taylor Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: First Impressions
Hello Alexander, Sunday, May 15, 2005, 12:14:56 PM, you wrote: It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but IMAP is well worth it. ASK Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here ASK - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To: ASK headers. WTF? ASK Question to everyone: is this only happening to me? No I am seeing it also. If you look at the References: and In-Reply-To: they are not enclosed inwhich seems to be the difference. No clue what the cause would be. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Alexander, It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but IMAP is well worth it. Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To: headers. WTF? Question to everyone: is this only happening to me? Yes, his messages are unthreaded because the MIDs in References: and In-Reply-To: are _not_ surrounded by ... Certainly a Mulberry bug :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 15 May 2005 19:14 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote about... --Re: First Impressions: Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To: headers. WTF? I have no idea Alex. I'm just replying in the usual way. I'm very new to this IMAP lark and Mulberry in particular so maybe I am doing something wrong or there's a ticky box somewhere I need to tick. Question to everyone: is this only happening to me? Alex has me very worried that I'll upset someone now so I'd like to know that as well? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 15 May 2005 18:38 +0100 Clive Taylor wrote about... Re: First Impressions: and with Mulberry a stress-free, almost boring dependability OH if that were true. I'm getting double of every single message from TBBETA, TBUDL and TBOT. How about an off list lesson for me if you have time? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 15 May 2005 19:50 +0200 MAU wrote about... Re: First Impressions: Certainly a Mulberry bug :) Not sure it is a bug but don't take my word for that. When I reply Mulberry gives me a choice or three email addresses, the list, the sender and [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only address that is contained in is the actual senders address and I don't think people would appreciate my replies going to personal addresses all the time. Not sure what I can do about it but I'll have a read up... God I miss templates! My apologies to all. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: First Impressions
--On 15 May 2005 13:45 -0500 Stuart Cuddy wrote about... Re[2]: First Impressions: Funny your message threaded this time. I guess because at least part of the References: had . Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: First Impressions
Hello Tony, Sunday, May 15, 2005, 2:03:02 PM, you wrote: TB Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please? Not correctly. It threaded under the message that I had replied to, not to my reply. Oddly it also is not filtered correctly on my end. I have a filter that changes the color based on mts.net being in the References. It is there, just not enclosed in . -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Tony, On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:03:02 +0100 GMT(5/15/2005, 2:03 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Boom wrote: Funny your message threaded this time. I guess because at least part of the References: had . Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please? No unless I have setting wrong. I have View | View threads by | selected References (Standard). Your message appears to be threaded against your original and it should be to Stuart's per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See PNG attached. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 attachment: TB_Mulb_Thd_20050515.PNG Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 15 May 2005 14:15 -0500 Greg Strong wrote about... Re: First Impressions: See PNG attached. I don't know what to do honest! Anyone on here familiar with Mulberry? Off list maybe? In a word... HELP! -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: First Impressions
On 5/15/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 15 May 2005 13:45 -0500 Stuart Cuddy wrote about... Re[2]: First Impressions: Funny your message threaded this time. I guess because at least part of the References: had . Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please? And just a few messages back someone was talking about well-worth-it, stress-free reliability! ;-p Well, I know POP3, and I have not worried about losing messages since I started storing everything on - gasp - Gmail. I never worry about disk space, and I also don't worry about crashes. I suppose a crash could happen, but then I would have millions of people to share my misery if it did. Anyway, as I mentioned in my original message, a stable IMAP was the promise of TB2.x. TB3.xPro is supposed to provide OTFE, and I would really like a way to get that without having to do a clean install. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hello Stuart Cuddy everyone else, on 15-Mai-2005 at 20:45 you (Stuart Cuddy) wrote: TB Alex has me very worried that I'll upset someone now so I'd like to know TB that as well? Funny your message threaded this time. I guess because at least part of the References: had . The correct reference header is the one that was added when I replied. Mulberry seems to copy existing ref.-headers as-is, but create new ref.-headers without the brackets. That explains why they are linked to the wrong messages by TB. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Technology...the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it. -- Max Frisch Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 12:50:47 PM [GMT -0500], Miguel Urech wrote: Certainly a Mulberry bug :) Odd. I don't experience that bug with messages I send using Mulberry. Anyway, that's for another list. :) -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- When money talks there are few interruptions. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 12:38:45 PM [GMT -0500], Clive Taylor wrote: It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but IMAP is well worth it. Nice testimony from Tony. :) Actually, I find that IMAP has simplified my email life. Same here. My only regret is my failure for not migrating to using the protocol earlier. Anyone who uses more than one computer and as a result, read their mail from more than one machine on a regular basis, should consider using this protocol. This may be multiple machines in your home (that's me), or machines at home and at work (that's also me). It *amazingly* simplifies things and increases your flexibility. With POP, I tended to resist using multiple machines or reading mail from multiple locations because of the potential hassles and hoop jumping involved in doing so. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- The future isn't what it used to be. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 1:44:37 PM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote: Not sure it is a bug but don't take my word for that. When I reply Mulberry gives me a choice or three email addresses, the list, the sender and [EMAIL PROTECTED] This isn't what they're referring to. It's your In-Reply-to headers. Would you check the messages in your Sent Folder. See if they In-Reply-to headers have the message id enclosed in . For me, they are. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- The wise open their minds, but a fool opens his mouth. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
Hi Alexander S. Kunz, On Sunday, May 15, 2005, you wrote: Hello Stuart Cuddy everyone else, on 15-Mai-2005 at 20:45 you (Stuart Cuddy) wrote: TB Alex has me very worried that I'll upset someone now so I'd like to know TB that as well? Funny your message threaded this time. I guess because at least part of the References: had . The correct reference header is the one that was added when I replied. Mulberry seems to copy existing ref.-headers as-is, but create new ref.-headers without the brackets. That explains why they are linked to the wrong messages by TB. RFC2822 says that the must be there (section 3.6.4). Looks like Mulberry needs to have that fixed ;) -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpxbm0iSEZhg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On 5/16/05, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who uses more than one computer and as a result, read their mail from more than one machine on a regular basis, should consider using this protocol. This may be multiple machines in your home (that's me), or machines at home and at work (that's also me). It *amazingly* simplifies things and increases your flexibility. With POP, I tended to resist using multiple machines or reading mail from multiple locations because of the potential hassles and hoop jumping involved in doing so. Allie, I appreciate your sincerity, but... I have all of those conditions but none of those problems. The reason is because instead of setting up my own IMAP server (a dedicated computer or whatever I would have to do), I let Google (or my own domain Webmail) handle the central storage headache for me. Right now I am sitting in the airport, waiting for a flight and replying to your letter. I am not worried about losing any mail. I don't need to connect to my homemade IMAP server. I don't have to leave a homemade IMAP server in place and worry about blackouts or poor connections. I just connect to my Gmail account and download the latest mail. I don't see how I am jumping through any special hoops. It seems like I have less hoops than ever before. I did not need to buy another email client just to accommodate IMAP nor have I had to pull my hair out over TB's IMAP implementation. So, for now at least, I stick with POP3, primitive as it might be. But let me not get into this IMAP debate. OTFE that can be activated on top of an existing installation of TB is my main thing. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.5 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
At 05:54 [GMT+0300] on Monday May 16 (actual time - 10:54am on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Avi I let Google (or my own domain Webmail) handle the central storage headache Avi for me. Right now I am sitting in the airport, waiting for a flight and Avi replying to your letter. I am not worried about losing any mail. I don't Avi need to connect to my homemade IMAP server. I don't have to leave a Avi homemade IMAP server in place and worry about blackouts or poor Avi connections. I just connect to my Gmail account and download the latest Avi mail. I really don't understand the enormous faith people place in GMail/Google. A free service under someone else's care. No thanks. -- cheers, mic Never put off until tomorrow what you could avoid indefinitely. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Sunday, May 15, 2005 @ 7:54:58 PM [-0700], Avi Yashar wrote: (or my own domain Webmail) ...that most likely is using IMAP... -- Matt Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
