Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Dimitry, On 08-10-2005 19:22, you [DA] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyway, I do not think this is an issue as TB also behaved like this on Mailmax IMAP - and sometimes also on Exchange/IMAP. I still get hanging connections sometimes. They just sit there and I usually kill the hanging task before TB snaps out of it, but I suppose the task can hang for more than 15 mins. DA I just choose Abort All Tasks, and then Alt-F2 again, which most of DA the times wakes up the process again. If not, The Bat needs to be DA restarted. I asked them which IMAP server they use (see sig!). The problem with Abort All Tasks is that if you are in process of saving drafts remotely, they are never saved and your composed message is lost! I usually just delete the first of the connections and TB usually waked up again. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Peter Fjelsten wrote: The problem with Abort All Tasks is that if you are in process of saving drafts remotely, they are never saved and your composed message is lost! Indeed, therefore I never use remote drafts. Too risky... I usually just delete the first of the connections and TB usually waked up again. This never works for me, the rest of the jobs in the queue will just stay there and hang too. Killing them all, disconnecting and reconnecting to the IMAP server usually works. But even that sometimes doesn't help, and then I have to restart The Bat completely. (Anyway, this point is becoming a bit moot for me, as I've switched to Thunderbird.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Dimitry, On 10-10-2005 13:59, you [DA] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DA Peter Fjelsten wrote: The problem with Abort All Tasks is that if you are in process of saving drafts remotely, they are never saved and your composed message is lost! DA Indeed, therefore I never use remote drafts. Too risky... I want to use it. Period. That's the point of IMAP. Keep everything on the server. I usually just delete the first of the connections and TB usually waked up again. DA This never works for me, the rest of the jobs in the queue will just DA stay there and hang too. It works for me in more than - say - 75% of the cases. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
The problem with Abort All Tasks is that if you are in process of saving drafts remotely, they are never saved and your composed message is lost! DA Indeed, therefore I never use remote drafts. Too risky... I want to use it. Period. That's the point of IMAP. Keep everything on the server. I agree! I want all IMAP working correctly, PERIOD, whoops, sorry for shouting. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.11 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Peter Fjelsten wrote: Indeed, therefore I never use remote drafts. Too risky... I want to use it. Period. That's the point of IMAP. Keep everything on the server. Yes, I definitely agree with that. But the mail client should NEVER throw anything away that you've painstakingly typed, if it can't connect to its server for whatever reason. It should at least save it in some temporary backup store (the local outbox) whenever such an error occurs. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Dimitry, On 10-10-2005 14:26, you [DA] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DA Yes, I definitely agree with that. But the mail client should NEVER DA throw anything away that you've painstakingly typed, if it can't DA connect to its server for whatever reason. It should at least save DA it in some temporary backup store (the local outbox) whenever such DA an error occurs. Actually, that's not a bad idea. Ritlabs - what do you say, could you save drafts locally as a backup if remote outbox is being used? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:26:04 +0200, Dimitry Andric [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, I definitely agree with that. But the mail client should NEVER throw anything away that you've painstakingly typed, if it can't connect to its server for whatever reason. It should at least save it in some temporary backup store (the local outbox) whenever such an error occurs. I strongly agree with this. I don't save as draft to a server side Outbox because of this issue. But I agree that this sort of reliability issue should be given the priority it deserves. What forces migration in very short order is a lack of reliability and poor ability to do simple operations with the reasonable speed. -- -= Curtis =- RSA Key: http://rsakey.aimlink.name Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Hello beta testers. I have recently moved web/mail host and the new uses the Exim MTA - but as far as I can tell, this means it uses Courier IMAP? Anyway, I do not think this is an issue as TB also behaved like this on Mailmax IMAP - and sometimes also on Exchange/IMAP. I still get hanging connections sometimes. They just sit there and I usually kill the hanging task before TB snaps out of it, but I suppose the task can hang for more than 15 mins. See the screenshot here: http://peter.fjelsten.dk/softwaretest/TB-36111-hanging-tasks.gif - the account in question is allowed 4 connections of which 1 is reserved for downloading. Also, possibly as a consequence of this, sometimes previous auto-saved drafts are not deleted. Sometimes they will go away on deleting the cache, sometimes they're actually on the server. BTW. Does anyone know what Courier IMAP server compatibility mode (IMAP fine-tune) actually does? I cannot see any difference whether it's on or off. Remote everything, including outbox. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.61.11 Echo (Beta) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 4 POP3, 6 IMAP (Courier/Exim) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Peter Fjelsten wrote: I have recently moved web/mail host and the new uses the Exim MTA - but as far as I can tell, this means it uses Courier IMAP? Exim and Courier are separate software projects, so they're not automatically installed together. For example, on my own servers I usually use Postfix as MTA, and Courier for IMAP and POP. That said, the only distro I know which uses Exim is Debian, and Courier POP/IMAP/etc is usually one of the first you find in Debian's package selection software. Anyway, I do not think this is an issue as TB also behaved like this on Mailmax IMAP - and sometimes also on Exchange/IMAP. I still get hanging connections sometimes. They just sit there and I usually kill the hanging task before TB snaps out of it, but I suppose the task can hang for more than 15 mins. I just choose Abort All Tasks, and then Alt-F2 again, which most of the times wakes up the process again. If not, The Bat needs to be restarted. BTW. Does anyone know what Courier IMAP server compatibility mode (IMAP fine-tune) actually does? I cannot see any difference whether it's on or off. I'd really like to know too, but I have the same experience as you: checking or unchecking makes no discernible difference in IMAP performance. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: 3.61.11 - still hanging connections + drafts problem
Hi Dimitry, --On Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:22 PM +0200 you wrote in part: Peter Fjelsten wrote: I have recently moved web/mail host and the new uses the Exim MTA - but as far as I can tell, this means it uses Courier IMAP? Any host can install any IMAP server they wish. There is no correlation to MTA using a specific IMAP server. It is best to ask them what server they use. Exim and Courier are separate software projects, so they're not automatically installed together. For example, on my own servers I usually use Postfix as MTA, and Courier for IMAP and POP. all the newer Linux/Unix distros now pretty much offer Exim as an additional MTA to install initially, as well as Sendmail. That said, the only distro I know which uses Exim is Debian, and Courier POP/IMAP/etc is usually one of the first you find in Debian's package selection software. As you know, you can build any MTA on any distro, or use a port on *BSD, and a few have Exim included as an alternative out-of-the-box selection. On my *n.x boxes, I don't use any of the above, but build qmail (which you will never see included in a distro) :)) -- Gary Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
