Re: 4.0.39.30 No Message loaded (fixed)
am Donnerstag, 27. November 2008 um 11:34 schrieb Maxim Masiutin: The Bat! 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) What's new in 4.0.39.30 since 4.0.39.29: [-] (Beta) Separate message viewer did not show a message when its message list was hidden Confirmed fixed. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.2 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[UR] 4.0.39.29 with PROBLEM No Message loaded
am Mittwoch, 26. November 2008 um 18:22 schrieb Maxim Masiutin: The Bat! 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) is available Up + Running If i open your Message, it is shown No Message loaded, if i hit Reply i have the Text again. This happens in Plain-Text-Modes. Anlagen: 1) 20081126-No-Message.png (14723 Byte, IrfanView PNG File) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.2 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 attachment: 20081126-No-Message.png Ausgehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - http://www.grisoft.de Version: 8.0.199 / Virendatenbank: 270.9.10/1813 - Ausgabedatum: 26.11.2008 08:53 Current beta is 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.39.29 No Message loaded
am Mittwoch, 26. November 2008 um 19:10 schrieb Gunivortus Goos: The Bat! 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) is available Sorry, had to go back to the previous alpha. In that 29 I get, when I want to load a message, a screen telling me: No message loaded Confirmed, it happened the same to me, i will go back too. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.2 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.39.29 - No message loaded
Hello Bob, On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:03:49 -0700 GMT (27/11/2008, 05:03 +0700 GMT), Bob Riley wrote: BR I think I am missing something here. When you say message list BR on or message list off, I don't know to what you are referring. BR I use the common three pane view - folder list full height on BR the top left, message list for the selected folder on the upper BR right, and message preview on the lower half of the screen. That's in the main menu. Double-click on a message in the message list and a new window opens. This is the folder view. BR I have not found a menu item to turn the message list (do you mean BR top right pane?) on or off. In the folder view, you have one menu item View. Here you can toggle Show message list on or off. BR Can you help here? HTH. -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Bewohner von Hinter-Indien haben suedlich unter dem Munde eine Oeffnung. Ich habe sie mir auf der Karte gemerkt. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.39.29 - No message loaded
Hello Bob, On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:03:49 -0700 GMT (27/11/2008, 05:03 +0700 GMT), Bob Riley wrote: BR I think I am missing something here. When you say message list BR on or message list off, I don't know to what you are referring. BR I use the common three pane view - folder list full height on BR the top left, message list for the selected folder on the upper BR right, and message preview on the lower half of the screen. That's in the main menu. Double-click on a message in the message list and a new window opens. This is the folder view. BR I have not found a menu item to turn the message list (do you mean BR top right pane?) on or off. In the folder view, you have one menu item View. Here you can toggle Show message list on or off. BR Can you help here? HTH. CONTROL-SHIFT-L -- Rick The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook. - William James v4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.0.39.29 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! 3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) -no message loaded
Hello all, after moving ~700 mails -all marked as unread- back to inbox and initializing a refiltering, I noticed there were 4 new messages in mailticker that couldn't be displayed. When I click on them I get a no message loaded window every time. I have set unread tab in both, folder view and message list pane. There isn't any unread message, the lists are empty. Only mailticker is showing them but no one can be viewed. -- Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Running 8 accounts POP, 1 IMAP [-] OTFE, Plugins, external Macros, PGP [+] Virtual Folders, Common Folders, altered View Mode Current beta is 3.70.06 quot;Qigongquot; | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hello Roelof, On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:57:40 +0200 GMT (05/09/2005, 04:57 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF Does the problem persist after a Windows reboot? RO Yes. RO And the most confusing thing is that I can read his messages now. No RO rebooting, no closing TB, no nothing. Only fooling around a bit with RO my mail. Welcome to the wonderful world of Windows. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hallo tbbeta, I can't read Cees' message that he wrote 13:44 utc +0200. (Subj: themes) TB gives me 'No message loaded' and I don't see the headers in the preview pane. Replying gives me an empty edit screen with no headers and: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 009D1E80 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 00F0. --- OK --- -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr: 019 User error - Not our fault. Is Not! Is Not! The Bat! 3.61.02 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpj1HnFMFysB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hello Roelof, On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:17:46 +0200 GMT (04/09/2005, 19:17 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: RO I can't read Cees' message that he wrote 13:44 utc +0200. (Subj: themes) RO TB gives me 'No message loaded' and I don't see the headers in the RO preview pane. We both use POP and WinXP, and I cannot confirm it in neither the preview pane nor the folder view. Does the problem persist after a Windows reboot? -- Cheers, Thomas. Das Spielen und das Fahren mit Lkw auf dem Grundstueck ist Verboten! Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hello all, Sunday, September 4, 2005, Roelof Otten wrote: I can't read Cees' message that he wrote 13:44 utc +0200. (Subj: themes) TB gives me 'No message loaded' and I don't see the headers in the preview pane. Replying gives me an empty edit screen with no headers and: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 009D1E80 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 00F0. --- OK --- if You hit Esc key, does body appear? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hallo Marek, On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:04:45 +0200GMT (4-9-2005, 20:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: I can't read Cees' message that he wrote 13:44 utc +0200. (Subj: themes) TB gives me 'No message loaded' and I don't see the headers in the preview pane. MM if You hit Esc key, does body appear? No. Same problem occurs with his messages in tbot. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is dangerous to confuse children with angels. The Bat! 3.61.02 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpaIr8HprRKI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hallo Peter, On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:54:42 +0200GMT (4-9-2005, 14:54 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO I can't read Cees' message PH is this with a POP or an IMAP account? POP3 with OTFE (see signature) -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal error : Mac user detected ! IDIOT MODE ON. The Bat! 3.61.02 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpeUM50xbjcP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hallo Thomas, On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 19:39:57 +0700GMT (4-9-2005, 14:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO I can't read Cees' message that he wrote 13:44 utc +0200. (Subj: themes) RO TB gives me 'No message loaded' and I don't see the headers in the RO preview pane. TF We both use POP and WinXP, and I cannot confirm it in neither the TF preview pane nor the folder view. TF Does the problem persist after a Windows reboot? Yes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Put off procrastinating till a later time. The Bat! 3.61.02 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpWDNkanyS2i.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 'No message loaded' error with 3.61.02
Hallo Roelof, On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:48:56 +0200GMT (4-9-2005, 23:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO I can't read Cees' message that he wrote 13:44 utc +0200. (Subj: themes) RO TB gives me 'No message loaded' and I don't see the headers in the RO preview pane. TF We both use POP and WinXP, and I cannot confirm it in neither the TF preview pane nor the folder view. TF Does the problem persist after a Windows reboot? RO Yes. And the most confusing thing is that I can read his messages now. No rebooting, no closing TB, no nothing. Only fooling around a bit with my mail. -- Groetjes, Roelof Say it with flowers. Give her a Triffid The Bat! 3.61.02 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp5vHRrle6gf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
I have 3 IMAP accounts. Often times when I switch from one to the other, I'll get the infamous No Message Loaded view that can last from one second to a Task Manager Force Shutdown of TB!. I recently noticed that if I'm stuck in the No Message Loaded mode, I can hit the Configure Account icon and it will somehow kick-start the IMAP session and I will notice the messages magically load behind the configuration screen I just opened. 9Val/programmers...any idea on why such a thing would load the message? -- Regards, Matt Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
On Thursday, August 11, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Matt Thoene wrote: I recently noticed that if I'm stuck in the No Message Loaded mode, I can hit the Configure Account icon and it will somehow kick-start the IMAP session and I will notice the messages magically load behind the configuration screen I just opened. Are you sure that isn't just a coincidence? Sometimes TB! takes a little time loading a message, especially the first message on entering a large folder. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.51.10 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Oxymoron: Split level. Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
On Thursday, August 11, 2005 @ 11:28:04 AM [-0700], -=Curtis=- wrote: I recently noticed that if I'm stuck in the No Message Loaded mode, I can hit the Configure Account icon and it will somehow kick-start the IMAP session and I will notice the messages magically load behind the configuration screen I just opened. Are you sure that isn't just a coincidence? Definitely not a coincidence. I've tested it thoroughly over the last couple of weeks. Should have mentioned that. Sometimes TB! takes a little time loading a message, especially the first message on entering a large folder. It sure does. Sometimes it takes so long that I have to completely restart TB! to get it to load again. In my example above, I can clearly see something happening as soon as my config screen opens. It's like TB! is saying Oh don't go changing anything, I was just about to open anyway. -- Matt Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Thoene: It sure does. Sometimes it takes so long that I have to completely restart TB! to get it to load again. In my example above, I can clearly see something happening as soon as my config screen opens. It's like TB! is saying Oh don't go changing anything, I was just about to open anyway. It's more like TB! gets back from its deep sleep, thinking something like *yawn* ok, ok .. i'm awake, really, i'm awake .. don't hurry .. yeah, i'm up to it .. wait a second .. IMAP's still a mess althouhg it developed well in the last months. (Just two years behind the original schedule) Michael - -- 11.08.2005, 20:36 Glück ist ein Stuhl, der plötzlich dasteht, wenn man sich zwischen zwei andere setzen will. (George Bernard Shaw) PGP oder S/MIME-Verschlüsselung erwünscht! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC+5r0wSeWjeWf1Q0RAkP3AJ9gk0rq3IcMn2eXZnxe+jsZScIlJQCfWABE ORNxQGLA1vmVcv2QHHdlOPE= =mA0r -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
On Thursday, August 11, 2005, at 01:32 PM, Matt Thoene wrote: Are you sure that isn't just a coincidence? Definitely not a coincidence. I've tested it thoroughly over the last couple of weeks. Should have mentioned that. Since posting my last message, a few problems have occurred giving perfect opportunity for me to test your method. It doesn't work here. What works for me when things are stuck is a server disconnect/reconnect operation. -- -= Curtis=- Using TB! v3.51.10 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name =-=-= ...Ignorance is temporary; Stupidity lasts forever! Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
On Thursday, August 11, 2005 @ 12:16:16 PM [-0700], -=Curtis=- wrote: Definitely not a coincidence. I've tested it thoroughly over the last couple of weeks. Should have mentioned that. Since posting my last message, a few problems have occurred giving perfect opportunity for me to test your method. It doesn't work here. What works for me when things are stuck is a server disconnect/reconnect operation. Yes. Unfortunately with TB!, the issues with IMAP seem to be different for just about everyone. I just happened to notice that the open Configure Account trick is one that works about 98% of the time for me. The disconnect/reconnect does work sometimes but it is sporadic. -- Matt Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: No Message loaded semi-workaround
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -=Curtis=-: What works for me when things are stuck is a server disconnect/reconnect operation. Doesn't work every time here. Sometimes I really have to shut down and restart TheBat! if I want to continue working on the server. Michael - -- 11.08.2005, 21:40 Glück ist ein Stuhl, der plötzlich dasteht, wenn man sich zwischen zwei andere setzen will. (George Bernard Shaw) PGP oder S/MIME-Verschlüsselung erwünscht! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC+6mtwSeWjeWf1Q0RAlTSAJ40xhifJJHds377qNsiMFR4xHaMwACg5cNa UagMPQ0cHebP9zDUchx5Av0= =Xz+8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 17:10:29 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to help, believe me. OK then try this... Mulberry. I don't want to lure you away from TB and I'm not trying to promote Mulberry but I'd like you to see how easy and effortless reading IMAP mail is without the need to tweak, coax, bodge or use work arounds just to read a single email. If yes, that confirms that your problem is related to connection to the IMAP server (which I think is unreliable, as I see so far...), not some other mysterious problem. I can absolutely guarantee without fear of contradiction that it is not a server problem. I have a choice of three clients I can use here, two work absolutely flawlessly, one doesn't, all using the same server. -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 6 July 2005 05:48:55 +0200 Manuel Breitfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'm sorry. So, let's see what Tony has to say about your suggestion about loosing connection and their corresponding check options. Fine, if that's what is causing the problem and RL manage to fix it I'll be the first to publicly put Milli Vanilli on the highest pedestal I can find. I'm not a programmer, I don't know what to look for, Vili assures us he can suss it out and if he has he'll be held in the highest esteem, at least by me anyway. Anyone remember the film You've got Mail? I hear Spielberg is going to remake it and call it No Message Loaded :) -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
On Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 2:25:22 AM, Tony Boom wrote: I can absolutely guarantee without fear of contradiction that it is not a server problem. I have a choice of three clients I can use here, two work absolutely flawlessly, one doesn't, all using the same server. You seem immune to paying attention to what Vili is trying to test. The suggestion is that the way the server is set up to connect in TB! may be a problem. The server setup in Mulberry or Thunderbird will have no effect upon how TB! accesses the server. Did you check your mail mgmt settings per his message earlier today? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.36 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony! On Monday, July 04, 2005, 3:29 AM, you wrote: So, wait for a response from 9Val, I have enough trouble scraping dead fly's off my windscreen, can you imagine the mess a pig would make? Do you mean that you expect to hear from 9Val only when pigs fly? Get your camera ready then, the winged pig is possibly visible. O ye of little faith! How could you say such a thing? 9Val will always respond! And he has! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 08:11:15 -0500 Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean that you expect to hear from 9Val only when pigs fly? The speed at which you Americans catch on never ceases to amaze me :) And he has! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I know, what a shock! You should see the mess they've made of my garden rooting about for truffles :) -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
SOT Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony! On Tuesday, July 05, 2005, 8:59 AM, you wrote: Do you mean that you expect to hear from 9Val only when pigs fly? The speed at which you Americans catch on never ceases to amaze me :) Oh, I'm unusually quick! lol I did read your meaning immediately, but I was just lying in wait for 9Val to demonstrate how greatly you had wronged him in that post. hehehe And he has! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I know, what a shock! You should see the mess they've made of my garden rooting about for truffles :) Oh, oh! I'm invited for dinner, when you cook what they find? :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
On 5 Jul 2005, at 15:35, Mary Bull wrote: Oh, oh! I'm invited for dinner, when you cook what they find? :) Couldn't catch them quick enough before they swallowed them. I tried putting a very tight leather strap around their neck so they couldn't swallow them but they kept turning blue and falling over for some reason. -- Tony. M2 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony, I have this No message loaded screen also. But it is because I am not connected to the server. If I connect, no problem. Isnt it your problem, too? I have to admit, that I didnt manage to figure out yet, how this automatic connecting and disconnecting to the server is working... And I have observed some strange things, also... (93 new mails in Inbox, 92 new in the account...) But I have to work on it, yet... -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 12:17:47 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this No message loaded screen also. But it is because I am not connected to the server. If I connect, no problem. Isnt it your problem, too? And therein lies the problem, mine should be permanently connected or at least it should connect whenever needed. Mulberry does, Mail 2.0 does, The bat doesn't. It doesn't seem to be aggressive enough and if it can't connect first time it just sits there dumb. -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 11:30:36 AM, (Internet Time - @729) you wrote: Hello Tony, TB And therein lies the problem, mine should be permanently connected or at TB least it should connect whenever needed. Mulberry does, Mail 2.0 does, The TB bat doesn't. It doesn't seem to be aggressive enough and if it can't TB connect first time it just sits there dumb. I have not had any problems with connecting to or disconnecting from Fastmail IMAP using TB! I did try Alie's suggestion with adding the commands Connect to Server and Disconnect to Server on my menu bar. And that helps with correcting the number of messages read and unread and deleting them. I know this may sound dumb, but are you sure you have the correct password entered in The Bat! As it seems like TB! is the only with the IMAP problem. And also try to use the Connect and Disconnect from the server to see if that helps with the No message loaded. I have seen that on occasion, but it was because I had something else going on in the background with my DSL Connection. Would like to see you get this working, Tony... -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.36 Windows XP Professional/5.1 Service Pack 2 (build 2600) on a Single/Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony, (and 9Val: the mail contains some reproducible error descriptions to locate the problem, see below) I have this No message loaded screen also. But it is because I am not connected to the server. If I connect, no problem. Isnt it your problem, too? And therein lies the problem, mine should be permanently connected or at least it should connect whenever needed. Mulberry does, Mail 2.0 does, The bat doesn't. It doesn't seem to be aggressive enough and if it can't connect first time it just sits there dumb. It will be a long mail... I just say in advance :)) Hopefully, full of useful info, too. Summary: Tony is right. (I have a workaround for you until it is fixed: Account, Properties, Mail management, When inactive, disconnect after this time: uncheck, and Account, Properties, Mail management, Automatically connect to server: When account is selected, checked. This way you will be fine.) This Disconnect after x time does not work correctly, I am 100% about that. And I feel, that this is why this full IMAP stuff is problematic... So, try this: - Account, Properties, Mail management, When inactive, disconnect after this time: 5 sec - Account, Properties, Mail management, Automatically connect to server: When account is selected, checked. - Close window If you step on an other account, and step back to the NAME of the account in the left account tree, TB! connects to IMAP server and disconnects after 5 sec. OK BUT, and this is a BUG: When disconnected, step into the Inbox of your IMAP account. TB! connects and DOES NOT disconnect after 5 sec. Select an other account. If you check Connection Centre, TB! does not disconnect your IMAP server... So, far, it seems to me, that it can be disconnected ONLY manually... A bug. And here is the funny part: - Disconnect from the IMAP server. - Go back to Account, Properties, Mail management, Automatically connect to server: When account is selected, uncheck and check again. Close the window. The first time you jump on the Inbox, it works, second time, it does not. If you jump only the NAME of the account, it works ok, all the time... Further checks I made: IMAP: Account, Properties, Mail management Automatically connect to server: At startup: works When account is selected: if the account is already selected, when setting this and closing the Account, Properties, it does not connect. But, it connects if I select an other and hopping back. So, it works, but my suggestion would be to check the active account when Properties are closed and connect to IMAP server, if the IMAP account is selected. For managing folders: works By any command: it works with Syncronise all folders, but DOES NOT work with clicking on a mail to read it, or Manage IMAP folders... Should not checking this option invoke automatic connect in EVERY case? So, it is a little strange for me... Or illogical. If I click on a mail, I would like to see that... There should be an option for it, or this By any command should work... Maybe I am missing something, guys with IMAP, tell me what. But so far, Tony is right... Also, from the log: IMAP - 1: The folder INBOX selected. 0 recent, 0 unread out of 100 total messages Hmmm, I have 91 unread from 98 total... So, this part also broken. Also: on the Account: New, Folder. Name: Test. Answer: I cannot do it. Ok, then Name: Inbox.Test. Fine. By now I have 6 pcs of Inbox.Test folder in my Inbox folder in TB!. Maybe I am missing something about IMAP... If I go to Manage IMAP folders and Reset list, I see only ONE Inbox.Test folder there... -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 11:41:25 -0500 Michael Acklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did try Alie's suggestion with adding the commands Connect to Server and Disconnect to Server on my menu bar. And that helps with correcting the number of messages read and unread and deleting them. But they're just the extra flaming hoops I was talking about. I know this may sound dumb, but are you sure you have the correct password entered in The Bat! Your right, it not only sounds dumb, it is dumb. The No message Loaded error occurs even for messages that I've already read days ago. Also if my pass was wrong the message list wouldn't load. As it seems like TB! is the only one with the IMAP problem. Which is the exact reason I get so infuriated with it. By comparison Mulberry is like typing out an email on the latest cutting edge super fast PC while TB is like chiseling it out on a stone tablet. And I can't find a reason for it and for some reason I feel that people think I'm telling porkies. I would love for any one of you to come and sit here next to me and see for yourself. That is an open invitation to everyone on this list should you be passing. I have seen that on occasion, but it was because I had something else going on in the background with my DSL Connection. If that were the case then it would also happen with the other clients I use. Would like to see you get this working, Tony... So would I but not necessarily for my benefit anymore. I am most definitely getting myself a Mac in the not too distant future and TB won't run on it. I will certainly help RL with anything they need now I have their attention in the mean time though. -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 13:39:45 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, try this: Yes, it is all very useful info but it's the hoops and gyrations that one shouldn't need to go through just to read an email. I may have been to the odd circus or two when I was young but the Flying Wilberries I'm most definitely not :) -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony, --On 5 July 2005 13:39:45 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, try this: Yes, it is all very useful info but it's the hoops and gyrations that one shouldn't need to go through just to read an email. I may have been to the odd circus or two when I was young but the Flying Wilberries I'm most definitely not :) :)) I wrote it down to have confirmation from you. AND also, because I use to write software, this is the way to catch the bug, the It does not work does not help too much... -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[6]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 15:08:00 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the It does not work does not help too much... Neither does Why don't it work answers from RL. They're the programmers, not me, I don't know why it don't work... Or rather I do know why it don't work but people wouldn't like it if I said it on here. -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[8]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony, the It does not work does not help too much... Neither does Why don't it work answers from RL. They're the programmers, not me, I don't know why it don't work... Or rather I do know why it don't work but people wouldn't like it if I said it on here. Next time write something like this: It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. At least I will like you :)) But I never had any problem with you before neither :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[8]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 15:32:04 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time write something like this: I sincerely hope your joking and not telling me what I can and what I can't write to this list? It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. 1.. I loaded up The Bat. 2.. It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing nothing. 3.. I closed The Bat down, Loaded up Mulberry and then sat reading my email within seconds. Like that you mean? At least I will like you :)) But I never had any problem with you before neither :) And I like you too... At least I did before you started dictating to me... No smiley face, I'm being serious so please tell me your joking? -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[10]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony, Next time write something like this: I sincerely hope your joking and not telling me what I can and what I can't write to this list? Tony, give me a rest :). I am not an Englishman, so if I dont choose the right words, dont jump on me! It was a SUGGESTION, I dont want to DICTATE to you... It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. 1.. I loaded up The Bat. 2.. It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing nothing. 3.. I closed The Bat down, Loaded up Mulberry and then sat reading my email within seconds. Like that you mean? No. More detailed one. It is a BETA list, which means, we try to HELP. If you write something, then It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing nothing., then it is only an INDICATION, in the perfect world, it would be enough. I am sure, that Mulberry connects to the IMAP server perfectly. For me, it seems, that its a problem with TB!. A very trivial problem. That is why I made a thorough check, which should have been done already, by the developers, we agree on that... If this will work, you will not have that No message loaded dialog again :) So, you are not connected to the server, when you see that Not loaded message, arent you? If you connect manually, and click on the mail, you see that, right? I would say, that dont select Automatic disconnect, and select Automatic connect at startup, and you will not have problem with this again... At least I will like you :)) But I never had any problem with you before neither :) And I like you too... At least I did before you started dictating to me... No smiley face, I'm being serious so please tell me your joking? I suggested something, w/o smileys... Did not dictate. Did not joke. I am the same user here, as you are. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
On Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 2:55:53 PM, Tony Boom wrote: Next time write something like this: I sincerely hope your joking and not telling me what I can and what I can't write to this list? It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. I don't want to speak for Vili, but I think the desire is for specific enough information that there is a possibility that similar behavior can be reproduced, leading to information which would make it possible to make changes. .. I loaded up The Bat. 2.. It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing nothing. 3.. I closed The Bat down, Loaded up Mulberry and then sat reading my email within seconds. is not going to get anyone any closer to an answer. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.36 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 5 July 2005 15:14:39 -0500 Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. I loaded up The Bat. 2.. It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing nothing. 3.. I closed The Bat down, Loaded up Mulberry and then sat reading my email within seconds. is not going to get anyone any closer to an answer. But I don't know any way to make the above events sound more technical. Nine times out of ten the above sequence is **exactly** what happens. Four mause clicks, that's all it takes for me to reproduce the above... Click 1. Fires up The Bat! Click 2. Selects a message I want to read... Oooops, no message loaded! Click 3. The little red cross that closes The Bat! Down. Click 4. Fires up Mulberry... ... And the rest as they say is history! The only possible way I could make the above more accurate would be to say... Double click 1. etc. Double click 2. etc Which would of course be a lie as I have XP set up for single mouse clicks. I've sent in all my log files, even had to create log files that not many people on here know how to create and send them in. How's that? Nothing can be as technical as a log file surely? :) -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Next time write something like this: I sincerely hope your joking and not telling me what I can and what I can't write to this list? It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. I don't want to speak for Vili, but I think the desire is for specific enough information that there is a possibility that similar behavior can be reproduced, leading to information which would make it possible to make changes. Yes. If I would be English, I would have written this :) As I said, I am writing softwares, and that helps, if someone show me the reproducibility... If not, that helps someway, but I have to find a pin in the sea, I feel sometime... Usually, it is always a small typo :( -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony, But I don't know any way to make the above events sound more technical. Nine times out of ten the above sequence is **exactly** what happens. Four mause clicks, that's all it takes for me to reproduce the above... Click 1. Fires up The Bat! Click 2. Selects a message I want to read... Oooops, no message loaded! Click 3. The little red cross that closes The Bat! Down. Click 4. Fires up Mulberry... ... And the rest as they say is history! Connect to your IMAP server manually, or as I suggested, do this: ... Account, Properties, Mail management, When inactive, disconnect after this time: uncheck, and Account, Properties, Mail management, Automatically connect to server: When account is selected, checked. This way you will be fine. Did it work for you? If yes, that confirms that your problem is related to connection to the IMAP server (which I think is unreliable, as I see so far...), not some other mysterious problem. I would like to help, believe me. -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Vili, On Tuesday, 05 Juli 2005 at 11:10 PM you (Vili) wrote: the IMAP server (which I think is unreliable, as I see so far...) The service Fastmail, which uses a Cyrus Server, isn't unreliable. To be fair, it's the most reliable server I've had so far. Moreover, it's the fastest also. ;) -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
On Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 4:29:40 PM, Manuel Breitfeld wrote: The service Fastmail, which uses a Cyrus Server, isn't unreliable. To be fair, it's the most reliable server I've had so far. Moreover, it's the fastest also. Take another look at Vili's message. It says he is suspicious of the CONNECTION not of the server. I would add that yes, the fastmail server seems very reliable and works very well here with TB!. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.36 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Dwight, The service Fastmail, which uses a Cyrus Server, isn't unreliable. To be fair, it's the most reliable server I've had so far. Moreover, it's the fastest also. Take another look at Vili's message. It says he is suspicious of the CONNECTION not of the server. I would add that yes, the fastmail server seems very reliable and works very well here with TB!. Dwight is right, I talked about building a connection to the IMAP server by TB!. I suspect, it is not flawless, as far as I see. If 9Val fixes this part, I think this part of the IMAP problems are solved... -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[10]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
7/5/2005 5:57 PM Hi Tony, On 7/5/2005 Tony Boom wrote: TB --On 5 July 2005 15:32:04 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time write something like this: TB I sincerely hope your joking and not telling me what I can and what I can't TB write to this list? It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. TB 1.. I loaded up The Bat. TB 2.. It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing TB nothing. TB 3.. I closed The Bat down, Loaded up Mulberry and then sat reading my email TB within seconds. TB Like that you mean? At least I will like you :)) But I never had any problem with you before neither :) TB And I like you too... At least I did before you started dictating to me... TB No smiley face, I'm being serious so please tell me your joking? For everyone's benefit, but mostly yours, why don't you end the pity party? Go pick mulberries and smile. It's much better than swinging a big stick at a flying bat!! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hey Vili, yesterday (on 07/05/2005 at 23:53) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take another look at Vili's message. It says he is suspicious of the CONNECTION not of the server. I would add that yes, the fastmail server seems very reliable and works very well here with TB!. Dwight is right, I talked about building a connection to the IMAP server by TB!. Okay, I'm sorry. So, let's see what Tony has to say about your suggestion about loosing connection and their corresponding check options. -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On 3 July 2005 14:39:08 -0500 Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please see Allie's fine comments on dealing with this, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And to do that one has to? - -- Tony. i. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.0.1 (Build 2185) Comment: Imac iQA/AwUBQsjyqdanuJ+T+uXWEQKSfgCg6JFL447k5UlkMa4toMej2YVYoWsAoLYE MxOexaowN+DvrDlaWWp8tfoJ =l9TB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 3 July 2005 14:48:14 -0500 Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, wait for a response from 9Val, I have enough trouble scraping dead fly's off my windscreen, can you imagine the mess a pig would make? -- Tony. i. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Tony and Clive, and others interested in IMAP! On Sunday, July 03, 2005, 1:46 PM, Tony wrote: Tried 36 and very first message... No Message Loaded. Went for a bath, made a cup of tea, cooked spaghetti bolognese, cut the grass, washed and polished the car, repointed the chimney stack and when I came back the very same message wasn't loaded still? And then Clive said: Me too, except I grew a beard as well. So, just to add to the mix: Please see Allie's fine comments on dealing with this, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
--On 3/07/2005 14:39 -0500 Mary wrote: Please see Allie's fine comments on dealing with this Unfortunately, that doesn't help although we're using the same version and same IMAP server (as Tony is). -- Clive Taylor Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
Hello Clive! On Sunday, July 03, 2005, 2:45 PM, you wrote: Please see Allie's fine comments on dealing with this Unfortunately, that doesn't help although we're using the same version and same IMAP server (as Tony is). So, wait for a response from 9Val, when he may (one can hope) come back on board the list tomorrow? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded?
--On Monday, June 13, 2005 9:12 pm +0100 Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !13/06/2005, 21:07:02: IMAP - 1: Cannot select the mailbox INBOX.The Boom Clan. Server reports: Mailbox does not exist What I'd like to know is why the above error? I'll ask again, see if I get an answer this time? -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No message loaded?
On Wednesday, June 22, 2005, at 07:03 AM, Tony Boom wrote: I'll ask again, see if I get an answer this time? I get that all the time and then things work afterwards. I call it a glitch in the TB! IMAP matrix. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.30 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm =-=-= ...Sorry... my mind has a few bad sectors. Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: No message loaded?
--On Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:26 am -0500 Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get that all the time I don't, I only get it when I use The Bat! I call it a glitch in the TB! IMAP matrix. So where's Neo when we need him? -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded?
So where's Neo when we need him? Neo might float your boat but I'd much rather have Trinity pushing *my* buttons. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. pgp29W7ct1weZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded?
--On Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:19 pm +0100 Stuart Hemming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neo might float your boat but I'd much rather have Trinity pushing *my* buttons. I got trouted last time I talked dirty so this time I won't say anything about black PVC cat suits :) -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
No message loaded?
Hello TBBETA, This is why I get the No message loaded error all the time with some messages. !13/06/2005, 21:07:02: IMAP - 1: Cannot select the mailbox INBOX.The Boom Clan. Server reports: Mailbox does not exist What I'd like to know is why the above error? I must just add that the Mailbox in question DOES exist, the message that refuses to display DOES exist and I get NO such errors at all with Mulberry, both the mailbox and message display perfectly fine without error. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5.26 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org pgpLBoGNKZHAN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
No message loaded bug still present, help!
Can anyone help with this bug that has been present for me during ALL the 3.5 betas and the RC. I run a 3 pane window with message pre viewing. If I double click on a message though it fails to open in a full window, instead an EMPTY window is launched with No Message Loaded shown. the same thing happens if I use the Open menu option. The only way it works properly is if I de-select my folder view mode and select No View Mode instead. The view mode that causes the problem is shown in the attachment. Thanks, really struggling to understand this one. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 attachment: viewmode.png Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded bug still present, help!
Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 9:12:17 AM, you wrote: Hi Chris On Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:27:11 AM you wrote: Can anyone help with this bug that has been present for me during ALL the 3.5 betas and the RC. I run a 3 pane window with message pre viewing. If I double click on a message though it fails to open in a full window, instead an EMPTY window is launched with No Message Loaded shown. the same thing happens if I use the Open menu option. The only way it works properly is if I de-select my folder view mode and select No View Mode instead. Sorry can't confirm - over here it works normally. If you have done the only way it works - did you enable or disable the View - Show message list in the message view window? The view mode that causes the problem is shown in the attachment. Thanks, really struggling to understand this one. I entered such a view mode - works ok over here - well it takes time until the message is opened - I have about 23'000 message in this folder. Done some more experimenting. The offending view mode has a filter set to show ONLY messages that are NOT read. I am wondering if the time element in opening the full view pane is allowing the message to be marked as read? Disabling this single filter to a state of no filters being present, but with all the same same view mode attributes still being present allows the full window to open correctly with the message text shown. But that isn't what I want... ;( Cheers Martin for the reply. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded bug still present, help!
Hello Chris, I am wondering if the time element in opening the full view pane is allowing the message to be marked as read? Why don't you (at least for a test) go to Account/Properties/Options and deselect the Mark the message as read when it is read for... and manually mark the messages as read when _you_ (and not TB) decide you have read it? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded bug still present, help!
Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 11:27:53 AM, you wrote: Hello Chris, I am wondering if the time element in opening the full view pane is allowing the message to be marked as read? Why don't you (at least for a test) go to Account/Properties/Options and deselect the Mark the message as read when it is read for... and manually mark the messages as read when _you_ (and not TB) decide you have read it? Good idea! Tried this and the main reading window now opens correctly, even with show only messages NOT read selected. Not quite sure where we go from here though :) I would still like messages to be marked automatically as read, with the option of a double click opening it in a main window if I so desire. I'll play with the time settings for a message to be marked read, although I feel an open in a pre view pane message should still be openable in the main window with a double click whilst that message retains focus in the threads list. Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded bug still present, help!
Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 11:53:01 AM, you wrote: Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 11:27:53 AM, you wrote: Hello Chris, I am wondering if the time element in opening the full view pane is allowing the message to be marked as read? Why don't you (at least for a test) go to Account/Properties/Options and deselect the Mark the message as read when it is read for... and manually mark the messages as read when _you_ (and not TB) decide you have read it? Good idea! Tried this and the main reading window now opens correctly, even with show only messages NOT read selected. Not quite sure where we go from here though :) I would still like messages to be marked automatically as read, with the option of a double click opening it in a main window if I so desire. I'll play with the time settings for a message to be marked read, although I feel an open in a pre view pane message should still be openable in the main window with a double click whilst that message retains focus in the threads list. Thanks. It's a time thing! If I set mark read after say 4 seconds I have 4 seconds to launch a full view window, slower than that an it opens with No message loaded showing. I consider that a bug, whilst focus remains on that message it should still be openable in the main window with a double click or Open, in fact this should be possible whether the message is read or unread, surely? -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded bug still present, help!
Hello Chris, I consider that a bug, whilst focus remains on that message it should still be openable in the main window with a double click or Open, in fact this should be possible whether the message is read or unread, surely? I don't consider this a bug, it is just a timing issue. When you double click on the message you want to open, the first click selects it and the time to mark it read starts counting. That is all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: No message loaded bug still present, help!
Hello Chris, Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 12:53:01 PM, among other things, you wrote: CW I would still like messages to be marked CW automatically as read, with the option of a double click opening it in a CW main window if I so desire. Why not use the new feature of the 'Space' shortcut key which gives 'Mark as read, and move down' ? Ifyou'renotawareofthisfeaturelookin Options\Preferences\Message List, about halfway down; the two lines Go to next unread message with SmartSpace reading, and Mark the current message as read when taking off the message. NB: these last two quotes are Ritlabs' English, not mine! It works in both the preview mode and the Folder View. I hope this helps. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.5.21, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.1, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Still getting No message loaded
When double clicking a message in the pre view window, it fails to launch a stand alone window with any text in it save the error cited. Minor: Utilities : Insert : Cooke (SP!) Who is Cooke? :) -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 Return RC8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still getting No message loaded
Hello Chris, When double clicking a message in the pre view window, it fails to launch a stand alone window with any text in it save the error cited. Cannot confirm. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still getting No message loaded
Thursday, May 12, 2005, 10:33:14 AM, you wrote: Hello Chris, When double clicking a message in the pre view window, it fails to launch a stand alone window with any text in it save the error cited. Cannot confirm. It's View Mode dependent. Would post offending mode if I knew how. It works OK with No View Mode selected. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 Return RC8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still getting No message loaded
Hello Chris, It's View Mode dependent. Would post offending mode if I knew how. It works OK with No View Mode selected. Well, you can open the View Mode Setup dialog and describe it the best way you can the settings in it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still getting No message loaded
Hello Chris, It's View Mode dependent. Would post offending mode if I knew how. It works OK with No View Mode selected. Well, you can open the View Mode Setup dialog and describe it the best way you can the settings in it. Here's a screenshot of the offending settings I have set up a view mode as close to yours as possible and still can't confirm the problem you have. Now, why do I say that my view mode is as close to yours as possible? Look at the the 2 PNGs attached: In your view mode the tick box under 'Sort by' says Ascending order while in mine it says Descending order. How can this be? Shouldn't this be the same for everyone? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 attachment: Your_viewmode.pngattachment: My_viewmode.png Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still getting No message loaded
Thursday, May 12, 2005, 11:44:15 AM, you wrote: Hello Chris, It's View Mode dependent. Would post offending mode if I knew how. It works OK with No View Mode selected. Well, you can open the View Mode Setup dialog and describe it the best way you can the settings in it. Here's a screenshot of the offending settings I have set up a view mode as close to yours as possible and still can't confirm the problem you have. Now, why do I say that my view mode is as close to yours as possible? Look at the the 2 PNGs attached: In your view mode the tick box under 'Sort by' says Ascending order while in mine it says Descending order. How can this be? Shouldn't this be the same for everyone? How odd -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 Return RC8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
No message loaded.
Hello TBBETA, Just used ALT+click to follow a thread in my TBBETA folder, worked fine, just showed the thread I wanted. However I changed directory to my TBOT folder and all the messages were hidden because I hadn't escaped from the previous view in my TBBETA folder. Should ALT+Click just work for the folder in use rather than across the whole board? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC6 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded.
Hello Tony, A reminder of what Tony Boom typed on: May 10, 2005 at 20:49:49 GMT +0100 TB Just used ALT+click to follow a thread in my TBBETA folder, worked fine, TB just showed the thread I wanted. TB However I changed directory to my TBOT folder and all the messages were TB hidden because I hadn't escaped from the previous view in my TBBETA TB folder. TB Should ALT+Click just work for the folder in use rather than across TB the whole board? It has been working this way for quite a while. I'm not sure how it is supposed to work, but this is handy if you have common people to differtent folders and you don't knw where a message was sent from. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC7 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded.
On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 @ 12:49:49 PM [-0700], Tony Boom wrote: Just used ALT+click to follow a thread in my TBBETA folder, worked fine, just showed the thread I wanted. However I changed directory to my TBOT folder and all the messages were hidden because I hadn't escaped from the previous view in my TBBETA folder. Should ALT+Click just work for the folder in use rather than across the whole board? This happens to me as well but it asks me if I want to keep this new view mode. Did you not get that same confirmation? -- Matt Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded.
Hello Tony, Should ALT+Click just work for the folder in use rather than across the whole board? I has always been that way, it is a quick display filter for _all_ folders. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded.
Hello Matt, A reminder of what Matt Thoene on TBBETA typed on: 10 May 2005 at 21:54:35 GMT +0200 MT This happens to me as well but it asks me if I want to keep this new MT view mode. Did you not get that same confirmation? No, I just got a folder full of messages none of which would display. However... The more I think about Stuarts explanation, the more this behaviour seems OK. I clicked on the subject line but I can see the benefit if you want to see all posts from or to one person should that person be in more than one folder. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC6 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Still getting a No message loaded error.
Double clicking a message in the message list, and which is shown correctly in the preview pane, fails to launch the message full screen with certain view modes still. Pic enclosed. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 Return RC4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 attachment: Clipboard01.png Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Still getting a No message loaded error.
Hello Chris, Double clicking a message in the message list, and which is shown correctly in the preview pane, fails to launch the message full screen with certain view modes still. Pic enclosed. I have never seen this. Can you describe one of the view modes that make it fail? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
No message loaded
For the only three revisions of this alpha / beta series I have got to load at all I fail to get a message to load when double clicked in the messages pane. I usually read in the preview pane, but a double click on ANY message results in a blank window and a No message loaded text. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.0.9.17 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No message loaded
Tuesday, April 19, 2005, 9:20:38 AM, you wrote: For the only three revisions of this alpha / beta series I have got to load at all I fail to get a message to load when double clicked in the messages pane. I usually read in the preview pane, but a double click on ANY message results in a blank window and a No message loaded text. Should add that clicking the Previous or Next arrow in the blank window top menu icons bar then loads a message for viewing. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.0.9.17 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: no message loaded - part 2
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:49:44 +0200, Luga wrote: At opening these letters gives out the message - no message loaded When The bat! will start to understand the given format? It will never. Your letters have a malformed Content-type header- field. In other words: your own .msg files are to blame. In order to be correctly understood by The Bat! the Content-type field should look like this: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=2a44b9bc658196def440be15748efb01 Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 2.04.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
