Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello Marek, Marek Mikus wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Bugtraq is one big big chaos, with hundreds unreproduceable, already fixed, never seen again bugreports. I just can't believe somebody has any orientation in it. and You have orientation in TBBETA when approximately 150 messages are received daily? no. Do You really expect, developers will check that Peter's mail Yes, I did! Peter spends much time on it, but (I guess) not, if nobody cares! and will watch all mids with all replies to know, how it is reproducable and how many people confirmed it with which OS etc? Seems that you didn't read the list at all! The discribtion how to reproduced is below the mid. And BTW: It is always a very good and short descibtion. /If/ you don't understand discribtion you /can/ read the original, but if you did understand the discribtion why should you read the original message and its replies? And all developers with official support is working with it. Oh, I really hope this is not true. All developers work with it - and it has 329 new reports? Correct me when I'm wrong, but new means never seen/tested by developer as I told, TBBETA is for discussing and I expect, if will be bug revealed and confirmed by many users, it will be added into BT with complete description how to reproduce it. ironyOf course./irony But sometimes it really goes this way, and there the bugreport stays unwached until the end of BugTracker. Max wanted it, because Ritlabs can read all hundred messages sent daily to TBBETA, but will not have time to solve them then. Well, my answer might go more to Ritlabs/Max then to you: Many bug reports on TBBeta are already in Peters list. So if Ritlabs would read this mail, lot of bugs could be fixed and much messages could be saved and that with reading only ONE mail (not 30 bug reports in BT + changing the status). Peter's list have not many of them what do you talk about here? and had links to BT too. no, it had only /one/ link to BT (BTW: this was /the/ (only) report that was from bugtracker and now I'm sad I told him to add the bug to the list). Furthermore if Ritlabs would answer to bugreports on TBBeta, much messages and time could be safed - as there would be no need for others to try to confirm a already fixed bug. so You expect, they will read all messages? I expected that they will read /one/ message each release. And in this difficult situation, all bugs are duplicated into BT, making the chaos of BT greater without any advantage. You can help to have BT better, Sorry, but this is the task of Ritlabs. I don't get money to check about the 1000 open BugReports. And furthermore I don't see any effort from Ritlabs to keep the bugtracker uptodate or even care about it. confirm new I won't confirm any bug report that was copied from BugList to bugtracker. If you like to do senseless work, do it - I won't. or ask users about more details. and get no response at all. but list in mail includes bugs for whole program and is harded to find duplicates. In bugtracker there is often wrong category or even not a bugreport but a wish report. And this (and other things) leads to the fact, that nobody (including Ritlabs) does care about BT (the 300 new reports proves this fact). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hi Boris, On 21/04/2005 02:41 PM +0200, you wrote: Yes, I did! Peter spends much time on it, but (I guess) not, if nobody cares! I've seen those bug lists and I'm immensely impressed with them. They're gold and should be treated as such. A beer and pat on the back to those involved in the production and maintenance of those bug lists. :) The put bugtraq to shame when it comes to current/hot bug listing. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- A single fact can spoil a good argument. Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello all, Monday, April 18, 2005, Peter Ouwehand wrote: Non-fixed issues: - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Account menu for POP3 accounts reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4465 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ctrl + a (to select all text) is broken in Plain text (Windows) Editor. should be fixed as Diman wrote in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4440 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [View | Character Set] doesn't list available character sets. Besides 'None' (one or two times) only 'Auto detect' and 'Set as Default' are available. In Main, View Folder and Message Finder windows. 3.0.9.17: Fixed, except for the 2 times 'None' in the View Folder window. reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4466 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [View | Attached Files] after a restart always indicates 'Show as Pane' although the actual option used is 'Show as Button'. In Main, View Folder and Message Finder windows. reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4467 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View Folder window: Message list context menu is missing the 'Open Enter' option (displayed bold, as it is the default action). not confirmed. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Account/Folder tree behaviour reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4468 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have a (HTML)table in editor, chose a field and change alignment of it. Works a few times, but then it stops to work correct. (However, I can't give exactly steps to reproduce, just play around a bit). Here steps to reproduce: Start TheBat! Open Editor (and change to HTML/Plain text editor) Insert table (2x2) Insert text (asdf) Select center (using button bar) Select left (using button bar) Select center (using button bar) Text doesn't go into the middle 3.0.9.17: It takes a few more cycles to get the same error. reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4469 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't switch the tabs in [Options|Quick Templates|New] using Ctrl + Tab Boris (and others): is this still broken for you? reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4470 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Redefined: (Message Finder) Results tab, context menu in the message list: [Attachments | Open] [Attachments | Save] are not working. they are working, when is attachment selected. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Finder Folders tab: 'Look in' is not working reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4471 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Default font for message list is used on every startup. You need to go into preferences to get the settings you set. (You can see this bug only, if you don't have default font for message list [Options|Preferences|Colour Groups and Font|Change). reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4472 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Folder View: highlight some text, then right mouse click (or CTRL+C to copy text), the highlighted text is dropped. Both work on 2nd try. Ron Secord (and others): is this still broken for you? cannot confirm, text is copied to clipboard immediatelly for me. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB sys-tray icon functionality: TB main window is open (leave it open). Select another program from taskbar (like windows explorer): After doing so you need to click (LMB) the sys-tray icon twice to get the TB main window on top again (i.e. TB is first minimised, then restored on top) reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4473 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In context menu of Folder View: Reply to All quoting selected text is missing Also missing in context menu from the Main window. reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4453 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In Customise|Available Items|mEdit there are two entries Left, one with icon and one without - guess one is enough. reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4474 In Customise|Available Items|PopMgr there seems to be lot of duplicates of Read|Receive|Delete|open reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4476 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Checkmarks in [ View | Character set] are not remembered between restarts. 3.0.9.15: [ View | Sort by ] is fixed. [ View | Character set] has two None items (View Folder window). reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4466 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] part size text jump to left of attachment button, if you switch between two mails which have attachements. reported in BT under https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4479 - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'View folder' window [View | Memo auto view] menu: Isn't correct updated, if you close memo auto view with ESC 3.0.9.15: also not when using the X. Memo/Address auto-view dissappeared in 3.0.9.17,
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello Marek, Marek Mikus wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): reported in BT under ironyGreat, now we have all these bug 2 twice. That makes all much easier and saves much work./irony Sorry, but I really can't understand why you copy all bugs from the great list of Peter into Bugtracker. (BTW: That's the reason why I didn't published my BugList for NFS!) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello Marek, Marek Mikus wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): ironyGreat, now we have all these bug 2 twice. That makes all much easier and saves much work./irony Bugtraq is main place for bugreports, I don't understand Your irony. Bugtraq is one big big chaos, with hundreds unreproduceable, already fixed, never seen again bugreports. I just can't believe somebody has any orientation in it. Sorry, but I really can't understand why you copy all bugs from the great list of Peter into Bugtracker. TBBETA is a place for discussing bugs, Bugtraq is a place for telling developers about them and where are bugs easily maintained and under control. And all developers with official support is working with it. Oh, I really hope this is not true. All developers work with it - and it has 329 new reports? Correct me when I'm wrong, but new means never seen/tested by developer I have described it saw mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] too late, I'm sorry. and if You really need an answer, Of course, why do you think I replied? Max wanted it, because Ritlabs can read all hundred messages sent daily to TBBETA, but will not have time to solve them then. Well, my answer might go more to Ritlabs/Max then to you: Many bug reports on TBBeta are already in Peters list. So if Ritlabs would read this mail, lot of bugs could be fixed and much messages could be saved and that with reading only ONE mail (not 30 bug reports in BT + changing the status). Furthermore if Ritlabs would answer to bugreports on TBBeta, much messages and time could be safed - as there would be no need for others to try to confirm a already fixed bug. But the situation now is: Bug reported on TBBeta Bug will confirmed and deconfirmed on TBBeta. Bug was fixed by Ritlabs - but nobody knows: Bug will confirmed and deconfirmed on TBBeta. Explainations of Bug in TBBeta and several message reporting the bug again Add Bug into Bugtracker with mails on TBBeta to confirm. Several mails from bugtracker who reports that somebody confirmed the bug. and so on until Ritlabs releases new version (and of course, the BugReport in the BT will stay open or verify wait for several months/years making the chaos in BT a bit bigger). I had hoped, situation will change with the great BugList of Peter - but I might be wrong. Many testers in list didn't read this single mail but just report there problem (again) on TBBeta. From these users who read the list, only few answered - so the list doesn't seem to be accepted yet. And in this difficult situation, all bugs are duplicated into BT, making the chaos of BT greater without any advantage. Peter, what do you think? Will you continue the list, or just give up, seeing the situation is lost? (PM?) (BTW: That's the reason why I didn't published my BugList for NFS!) who told You to not add them into Bugtraq? My brain. Can't see any sence of this. And which NFS related bugs were included in list of Peter? Not one, because I didn't (and won't) publish my BugList for NFS. Some of bugs were already reported Yes, I think it was exactly ONE. and some of them were missing and I have added them. about 30 I think. (21 today, and 9 earlier). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello Peter, Newly encountered issue(s): the 'Import-Public-Key-Button' has no icon » mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] » mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Still broken. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Good evening Peter, on Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:20:17 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote: PO Newly encountered issue(s): PO Status-bar pop-ups in Edit Mail Message window: PO 1. Open an Edit Mail Message window. PO 2. LMB or RMB in the account or character-set pane in the status bar both show POthe pop-up lists. PO 3. RMB in the column:row pane. PO 4. Now LMB in the account or character-set pane again, the pop-up list will not PObe shown. RMB works fine though. Good ol' Eagle-Eye! :-) Addition to 4.: Once you have used RMB in the account or character-set pane, LMB works again. -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.9.17 Return (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello George, There is another non fixed thing: the popup displayed on a spell error. Either it suggest nothing or what is suggesting has nothing to do with the underlined word. I can confirm that. Quite annoying after years of getting the suggestions directly. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.17 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello George, There is another non fixed thing: the popup displayed on a spell error. Either it suggest nothing or what is suggesting has nothing to do with the underlined word. For example I misspelled a Greek word and in one case it displayed nothing in other case it displayed English words!!! Have you seen my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.9.17 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello Peter, Peter Ouwehand wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Sadly I couldn't test all issues, so I only tested where you couldn't test/reproduce it and the fixed issues. Newly encountered issue(s): - When you delete the last message of a folder in folder view, folder view don't close automatically but stays open. (Bug because I don't see the sence of empty folder view and it was auto closed in earlier versions). Status-bar pop-ups in Edit Mail Message window: 1. Open an Edit Mail Message window. 2. LMB or RMB in the account or character-set pane in the status bar both show the pop-up lists. 3. RMB in the column:row pane. 4. Now LMB in the account or character-set pane again, the pop-up list will not be shown. RMB works fine though. Confirmed. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't switch the tabs in [Options|Quick Templates|New] using Ctrl + Tab Still broken. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Folder View: highlight some text, then right mouse click (or CTRL+C to copy text), the highlighted text is dropped. Both work on 2nd try. Ron Secord (and others): is this still broken for you? Fixed here. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Interface problem concerning change from Alt+1 to Alt+0 and view-modes. No pattern to reproduce though. 3.0.9.15/3.0.9.16: not yet encountered, didn't happen often either. Still broken here. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [View | Global View Mode] doesn't list available view modes. Only '(no view mode)' and 'Manage View Modes' are available. In Main and View Folder windows. From mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : same problem for the context menu of folders Confirmed as fixed. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Close connection center and after that close TheBat! - get AV. (Connection center is allways displayed, while I'm offline. Other situations not tested). Confirmed as fixed. - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Account/Folter pane: After a restart of TB, the Folder Tabs are gone. Uncheck/check [View | Folder Tabs] to get them back. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unchecking/checking View/Status bar also fixes it here. Confirmed as fixed. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
