Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Curtis, So I'm fully with you on it. Keep it simple and predictable. You may want to support https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5319 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Alexander, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5291 (the wish) Since Miguel A. Urech's considerations go into much more detail, can someone please delete this item. I can't delete it myself. Your was deleted and I have added this one: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5319 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello MAU everyone else, on 05-Nov-2005 at 02:40 you (MAU) wrote: TB shows the organisation headers contents after the FROM address in the header pane (thats nice). No, from my PoV it is NOT nice at all. Well, from my PoV it is nice because I can see the organisation easily and not waste another line of my already-too-big preview header pane. :) I don't mind, as long as you can have it your way and I can have it mine. I will file one bug report for the organisation header being added to the from address, and one wish that the display of the organisation next to the FROM address in the header pane should be optional. You can address any further complaints directly to Ritlabs, not to me. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When I was younger I used to think I knew all the anwers. Now I'm beginning to realise I only know some of the questions... (unknown) Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello ...in addition to my previous message... on 05-Nov-2005 at 09:09 you (Alexander S. Kunz) wrote: I will file one bug report for the organisation header being added to the from address, and one wish that the display of the organisation next to the FROM address in the header pane should be optional. I hope its OK this way: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5290 (the bug) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5291 (the wish) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Everything is theoretically possible, until it's done. One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen. -- Robert A. Heinlein Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Alexander, TB shows the organisation headers contents after the FROM address in the header pane (thats nice). No, from my PoV it is NOT nice at all. Well, from my PoV it is nice because I can see the organisation easily and not waste another line of my already-too-big preview header pane. :) First of all I must apologise for the many typos in my message last night and for writing To some times when it should have said From, etc. I guess that aside of a bit upset (not for you message, of course) I was also quite tired after a lng day and the long tests about mailto URLs. Anyway, I guess you and whoever read my message understood what I was trying to say :) I can understand your PoV and respect it, any PoV is as respectable as my own. Aside of that, life would be quite boring if we all had the same PoV about everything. I don't mind, as long as you can have it your way and I can have it mine. I will file one bug report for the organisation header being added to the from address, and one wish that the display of the organisation next to the FROM address in the header pane should be optional. No, I object to that also for two reasons: a 'philosophical' one and a practical one. As I have said, I understand your PoV and your concern about screen real estate, etc., but, do you really need to see the Organisation of every or most messages you receive? How many other users need the same? Wouldn't it be better to display From+Sender or any other combination, etc.? My 'philosophical' objection is based on coherency and consistency, both of TB and the users. I personally don't really care. I read messages in preview pane and I just display the _basic_ headers (From, Subject and Creation date) in my header pane. When I need or want to see other headers for whatever reasons I can do several things: - Right click on the header pane and select to display the header I want/need to see. - Double click on the message in the message list to open a folder view where I have more headers selected to be displayed in the header pane. (The selection of headers displayed in preview and folder displays are independent of each other). - Right click on the message pane and select 'RFC-822 Headers' So, in all cases I'm just one or two clicks away when I want to see something I normally don't need to see. Anyway, continuing with my 'philosophical' objections: We are talking about _Header_ pane(s) which are supposed to display *headers* and this is why I object to *combinations* of headers. Or, if 'combinations' are allowed or forced, the displayed field should be called something else, not From. It seems more coherent to me that the From field displays only the From header, just like my argument about the To column. But also consistency: Why doesn't the From column also display From+Organisation? Or why the To header field in the header pane doesn't display To+CC like the To column does? But I said I also have 'practical' objections. There are other examples of 'features' of this type (of doubtless real use to most users, from my PoV) in TB, but let's stick to the one if focus now. If the From was not From+Organisation (which probably took little code to implement it and that's why they did it) you would have not discovered any bug and logged a bug report, one more in the long list. If the 'bug' is ever to be fixed, they have to add code to to _remove_ the Organisation when you do a 'Reply to this address' (like you did when you found the bug) and _also_ for the 'Write a Message to This Address' option. But then, why not add code so that when you select 'Add to Address Book' the Organisation part of the From+Organisation is added in the Company field of the Business tab of the AB entry? But wait, then someone may say that, for example in your case, the Organisation in your messages is actually a URL to a web page and that TB should be smart enough to detect this and not include it as Company in the AB entry but as as Home page. But another wait, should it be included as Personal Home page or Business Home page? But then, to satisfy everyone, should all of this also be optional and configurable? Summarising... I do believe it would be more coherent, consistent, practical, simple, less prone to 'bugs' (and therefore easier to maintain by developers) to have the headers in Header pane and columns is message list, just show/display what the field name says: From should display From header _only_ and To the To header _only_. But I may be wrong :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Alexander, You can address any further complaints directly to Ritlabs, not to me. :-) I forgot to reply to this. I am not complaining _to_ you, I am discussing _with_ you because you found the 'bug' and brought up the issue. But when discussing with you I am really talking for RIT :) I know they read this list. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Alexander, I hope its OK this way: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5290 (the bug) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5291 (the wish) I could probably support your bug report because, with the current implementation, it is certainly a bug. But I can't support your wish because of what I have explained in my previous reply, I don't want another tick box option somewhere. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
--On Saturday, November 05, 2005 01:16 PM +0100 MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Summarising... I do believe it would be more coherent, consistent, practical, simple, less prone to 'bugs' (and therefore easier to maintain by developers) to have the headers in Header pane and columns is message list, just show/display what the field name says: From should display From header _only_ and To the To header _only_. But I may be wrong :) I think you're right. Sticking to principle avoids confusion. I'm pretty sure that they decided to implement the current behaviour for the same reasons as combining the From name with the reply-to address when replying to messages. IOW's, it seems nice to see that the message is from Jasper Jones (JJ Lafty Institute of E-mail Research), especially when the Organisation information is there. However, we are now seeing examples where it may not work out so well and avoid confusion, just as similar features do. The From name Reply-to) address combination for replies leads to confusion when using address auto-completion (a potentially disastrous side-effect). So I'm fully with you on it. Keep it simple and predictable. -- -=Curtis=- PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name -=-=- With friends like these, who needs to hallucinate? pgp7fxMbXekoY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello MAU everyone else, on 05-Nov-2005 at 13:26 you (MAU) wrote: I could probably support your bug report because, with the current implementation, it is certainly a bug. But I can't support your wish because of what I have explained in my previous reply, I don't want another tick box option somewhere. Well, then don't. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Satellite (4:16) by The Beloved from the album 'FESTIVALBAR 96 Disc 2' Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Curtis, So I'm fully with you on it. Keep it simple and predictable. Thanks. It is nice to see that a reasonable person (as I think you are) doesn't think I'm going haywire with these issues :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Double click on the message in the message list to open a folder Mview where I have more headers selected to be displayed in the header Mpane. (The selection of headers displayed in preview and folder Mdisplays are independent of each other). I learn something new every day about this programme. Wonderful little titbit than, thanks. As for the matter you were actually discussing I'm still not sure as it doesn't affect me (well, not yet at least) but I think I favour your argument. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.62.12 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello ...in addition to my previous message... on 05-Nov-2005 at 09:33 you (Alexander S. Kunz) wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5291 (the wish) Since Miguel A. Urech's considerations go into much more detail, can someone please delete this item. I can't delete it myself. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Once an idea has been generated within the mind, it may no longer be wholly under the control of the consciousness which gave it birth, but it may operate autonomously on other minds as well as the physical world. -- H. H. Price Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Richard, I learn something new every day about this programme. Me too. See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] just sent. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.12 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Me too. See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] just sent. Ye gods, far too complicated ;-) -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.62.12 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello Richard, M Me too. See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] just sent. Ye gods, far too complicated ;-) Don't worry, I will still add more confusion later :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.12 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Organisation header added to TO address
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:40:07 +0100 GMT (05/11/2005, 08:40 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: TB shows the organisation headers contents after the FROM address in the header pane (thats nice). M No, from my PoV it is NOT nice at all. Headers displayed in the header M pane _should_ display what and only what the actual headers are. If M someone what to see/display the Organisation he can do so by displaying M the appropriate header. See the attached GIF for your message, the one M I'm replying to. I agree that TO and ORGANISATION are different headers and should be treated as such. -- Cheers, Thomas. 7.Ihr Nachbar geht Ihnen auf den Wecker, weil er nachts um vier so laut klopft, das die Gaeste Ihrer Techno-Party dauernd aus dem Rhythmus kommen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.62.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
