Re: The Bat! release deadline
On Thursday, September 23, 2010, 6:20:59 AM, F.P. wrote: But Imap was not so much used. You cant sell a produkt and stay alive if there is no customer. I think that the increase in mobile devices will drive the uptake of IMAP. Once you start reading and replying to mail on your phone (or your netbook or tablet/pad), you realise the benefits of IMAP and the limitations of POP. Even my 70 year old mother is now using IMAP! I think that Ritlabs are on the right track by focusing on IMAP support when a lot of developers seem to be giving up on desktop email completely. There is a lot of excellent work on mobile clients (for example, K-9 mail for Android) and people are going to start looking for good desktop clients. Julian -- Julian Beach jul...@trink.co.uk jbli...@dial.pipex.com (List Traffic) Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
F.P., Hi, wrong time, wrong place. You cat get a better IMAP Stack than Mulbery. But Imap was not so much used. You cant sell a produkt and stay alive if there is no customer. Try the Claws Clienet on windows, thats also great IMAP supportim not sure that TB will get this quality in the next years. Imap should be well done. But that isn't enough in itself. Claws has poor support for html. It might be a plugin would do better. Not worth it to me. I don't want to jump through that hoop. Mozilla's Imap has been pretty good for quite a while, but their offerings are still starved for features. Postbox has resolved that somewhat. For potential Imap plus strong feature set with current ongoing development, TB still has no peer. But it is true that good Imap takes years to develop, and some have given up, like Eudora for instance. Mulberry too went away because they couldn't generate enough income with what they had to support further development. That really is the crunch. It is true that Mulberry and Eudora are trying to get something done in the alternative universe. Results so far have been discouraging. I was hoping for a good TB Christmas release this year. But maybe not. Regards 2010/9/22 Paul Van Noord pau...@for-him.net mailto:pau...@for-him.net 9/22/2010 4:35 PM Hi F.P., On 9/22/2010 F.P. wrote: FP Because of the unstable older 4.X versions im switching to thunderbird. Great! FP Hope the users are strong enough and your company will not go the way FP mulbery is going. Mulberry is so good that it can't survive? - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.36.4 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Hello F.P., I think that you have missed the information about the upgrade that I have posted to TBBETA a few months ago. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Hello Dwight, Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 9:40:48 PM, you wrote: do you mean some loss on downloading from POP server? Or if I set up installation which only checks IMAP, is there risk it will zap things on the server? I don't mean anything specific, I just warn that alphas may be unstable. As far as I know, nobody from the alpha testers did complain about loss on downloading from POP server or mess with IMAP, but anything may happen, that's why alphas should not be used for production environment. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Hello Paul, Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 11:39:37 PM, you wrote: Mulberry is so good that it can't survive? I don't understand why the users praise Mulbery. I've tried to test it but found out that Microsoft Outlook's implementation of IMAP is much better. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Hello Gleason, Thursday, September 23, 2010, 6:21:33 PM, you wrote: Claws has poor support for html. [...] Mozilla's Imap has been pretty good for quite a while, but their offerings are still starved for features. [...] Postbox has resolved that somewhat. “If I could only put Nikanor Ivanovich’s lips with Ivan Kuzmich’s nose, and mix in a bit of Baltazar Baltazarovich’s free-and-easyness, and then add to this Ivan Pavlovich’s fine figure…” Source: http://books.google.md/books?id=zO3nIAAJlpg=PA29ots=w22dxU_fX0dq=lips%20with%20Ivan%20Kuzmich%27s%20nose%20and%20mix%20in%20a%20bit%20of%20Baltazarhl=enpg=PA29#v=onepageq=lips%20with%20Ivan%20Kuzmich%27s%20nose%20and%20mix%20in%20a%20bit%20of%20Baltazarf=false Sorry, could not resist. -- Best regards, Maximmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Thursday, September 23, 2010, 6:21:33 PM, you wrote: Claws has poor support for html. [...] Mozilla's Imap has been pretty good for quite a while, but their offerings are still starved for features. [...] Postbox has resolved that somewhat. If I could only put Nikanor Ivanovich's lips with Ivan Kuzmich's nose, and mix in a bit of Baltazar Baltazarovich's free-and-easyness, and then add to this Ivan Pavlovich's fine figure... Source: http://books.google.md/books?id=zO3nIAAJlpg=PA29ots=w22dxU_fX0dq=lips%20with%20Ivan%20Kuzmich%27s%20nose%20and%20mix%20in%20a%20bit%20of%20Baltazarhl=enpg=PA29#v=onepageq=lips%20with%20Ivan%20Kuzmich%27s%20nose%20and%20mix%20in%20a%20bit%20of%20Baltazarf=false Sorry, could not resist. Life is so much simpler in societies where your parents choose your email client. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
If you are OK with these AVs and bugs, you may start using the alpha version, but you may lose mail. OK, so the aplha is open for testing? Where can we obtain it? Regards Daniel Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Am 23.09.2010 19:26, schrieb Maxim Masiutin: Mulberry is so good that it can't survive? I don't understand why the users praise Mulbery. I've tried to test it but found out that Microsoft Outlook's implementation of IMAP is much better. *LOL*, thats the absolut increase of Faulty :-) -- Jens Franik je...@gmx.de Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
Hi, OK, that means - older TB Versions are dead ? Guess last beta are from april/10. Because of the unstable older 4.X versions im switching to thunderbird. Im absolut sure that you dont get a beta in 2010 to work. Your users are alone with teh 4.x problem because you are not able to join version 5.X ? After that (somweher in 2011) you like to switch to a curios licensing model ? How will you convince your (paying) users to pay again ? Hope the users are strong enough and your company will not go the way mulbery is going. You did not do that, but mulbery code ist free and this program have the best imap support ever. The neverending story of your imap code is heavy. Now you wrote that new. Get the mulbery code and learn how to make a great imap support. For that i will pay without think about that. 2010/9/22 Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com Hello Tbbeta, We do not set The Bat! release cutoff date because we want the released version to be stable and reliable. The current alpha version still has access violations and bugs, you can check www.ritlabs.com/bt with the word alpha in the summary. We don't like to specify a date and release whatever we have at that date to leave the user tackle with the crude version. Some bugs and AVs are not easy to catch, and the time would be unpredictable. If you are OK with these AVs and bugs, you may start using the alpha version, but you may lose mail. -- Best regards, Maxim mailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release deadline
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:28:51 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: OK with these AVs and bugs, you may start using the alpha version, but you may lose mail. do you mean some loss on downloading from POP server? Or if I set up installation which only checks IMAP, is there risk it will zap things on the server? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.2.36.2 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
