Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Guten Morgen, BR Are you saying that you, too, use IMAP with your ISP and/or Mail BR Provider, and you don't see the unable to send mail body due to BR processing error message and/or the queuing problem? BR If that is true, this suggests that the problem may lay with Gmail's BR implementation of IMAP [...] Rest assured, this is not the case. I have seen this error in frequent abundance, and I don't use GMail. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpnYBShEwYs4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Guten Morgen, BR Now that my message base is in the new (version 4.0 on) format, I don't BR think I can go back to an older version of TB. You could always try to copy the local mails to an IMAP folder in the current version, then retrieve them again (thereby creating a brand new messagebase) in an older version. Although with exactly the component you need to do this, IMAP, not working correctly, I agree that this might be just a little bit tedious... ;-) But didn't someone report a few weeks ago that the final v4.0-version supported a graceful downgrade of the messagebase? Can someone confirm or negate that? BR However, I also think RitLabs is doing their best to really BR redesign their IMAP module for TB, and I admire their BR perseverance. Eventually. And so far, we still haven't seen anything of it. Actually what I admire is the perseverance of the users that are putting up with this tragedy for the past four years. Yes, I just took a look at v3.0.1.33's executable date: It shows the 12.10.2004. v3 was the first version for which IMAP had been promised, and I myself joined the crowd that already was experiencing and reporting IMAP errors even then. It's been four years, and things have grown worse. Congratulations. Maybe a change in (company) president may be in order - what the heck, it worked for the U.S, too. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpUGeVsFb41u.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Actually what I admire is the perseverance of the users that are putting up with this tragedy for the past four years. Yes, I just took a look at v3.0.1.33's executable date: It shows the 12.10.2004. v3 was the first version for which IMAP had been promised, and I myself joined the crowd that already was experiencing and reporting IMAP errors even then. Actually it was version 2.0 when IMAP was promised. As far as I remember it was a year 2002. -- Vilius Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Bob, I'm using Fastmail as well but I can confirm all the problems described by Bob. I think Ritlabs should now stick to their statements in which they've announced multiple times to fix the IMAP engine. Believe me, I am appreciative of all the comments that my saying I was discontinuing TB use for my primary mail account (Gmail's IMAP) triggered. What I have learned from all of those well-intentioned and, I might add, well-informed, comments are: 1. There are some very tech-savvy people on the TB Beta list. Also some very determined long term ill will towards Rit. Interesting to note that most software support lists have similar. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Alto, Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Bob, Hi Gleason, On 2/7/2009 3:35 PM, you wrote to Alto: Alto, Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. Are you saying that you, too, use IMAP with your ISP and/or Mail Provider, and you don't see the unable to send mail body due to processing error message and/or the queuing problem? Never see that. If that is true, this suggests that the problem may lay with Gmail's implementation of IMAP (or, possibly, with my IMAP settings in TB, although I have tried to follow Stefan Tanurkov's guidance on those). I have heard that Gmail's imap is non-standard, and causes trouble for clients. Opera's email crew apparently have asked if they intend to fix it or will leave it as is, with an eye to deciding whether it is worth the trouble to do a workaround. I didn't hear what response they got. On the other hand, I have a @thebat.net gmail account that gives me no problem at all. My main provider is Fastmail. What do you think, here? I would suggest getting a free account from Fastmail and see what kind of performance you get. Servers can definitely make a difference. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
