Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Stuart, Wednesday, February 16, 2005, 1:04:28 AM, you wrote: SH Still no joy. I guess the God of Email still doesn't have his happy SH face on. One last possibility from me: I had no luck either with using 465 as the SMTP port; I changed it to 587, and all has been well ever since. Gmail seems to be quite quirky. (But then again, so is this list. I would have changed my address on this list to the gmail account long ago, but can't figure out how to do it.) -- Best regards, John Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:02:57 -0800, John Sherman wrote: I would have changed my address on this list to the gmail account long ago, but can't figure out how to do it. John, if you go to the following URL, you should be able to work out this issue: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbbeta -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Het was op dinsdag 15 februari 2005 om 17:21 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'the next beta ? when ?' : Hallo Avi, No joy. The God of Email is not smiling on me today. AY Well, I can only think of one other thing that you can try, I think he's laughing his ass off... have you seen the amount of e-mails on this list today? ;-) -- groeten, Rubeo, who was just listening to: Slayed | Slade - How D'You Ride WinErr 01E: Timing error - Please wait. And wait. And wait. And wait. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:25:59 +0100, Cees wrote: Hallo Avi, No joy. The God of Email is not smiling on me today. AY Well, I can only think of one other thing that you can try, I think he's laughing his ass off... have you seen the amount of e-mails on this list today? ;-) Quite impressive performance for a dead horse, no? :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Stuart, Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 6:45:49 AM, you wrote: SH OK. I've done that. The transport settings in TB! can be seen in the SH attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing SH (I still can't connect although I can ping the server). Actually Stuart, the SMTP connection should be: Secure to regular port(STARTTLS) -- Best regards, John Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Tony, Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 10:05:06 AM, you wrote: Good, I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. If any moderator want's to comment on my offers of help then I'll take it seriously. But your not a moderator, your just a common or garden user like me. It appears the moderators have gone to sleep or they wouldn't have allowed 100 plus messages fill my mailbox with the likes of the Stuart's Signature line fiasco! I guess belonging to the elite Rit Lab click does have its bennies, and they live by a different set of rules! eh! -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Tony, Tuesday, February 15, 2005, 12:50:00 PM, you wrote: I think your clock is wrong? I've got a message from you that you don't write for another 2 hours. Your right how about now? -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/15/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY And my point was only that you asked a general question that you could AY have answered for yourself if you only looked at some of the earlier AY correspondence on this thread - a quite substantial amount. Too bad you do not apply this principle to your own actions. AY Anyway, I AY think I stated quite clearly that what I was writing was in good AY humor I do not want to see what you define as bad humor. AY I guess we could all share the responsibility for that mistake - even AY you who also posted your offer to help on this same thread - with no AY attempt to change the title in context. He was following your example, didn't know it was a bad one until you told him. AY Well, at least I get your best regards. Now I feel a lot better. :-) Who difference does this make? http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=obnoxious -- Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:41:17 -0500, Paul Van Noord wrote: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=obnoxious -- Paul What an original and apt signature you have taken for yourself, Paul! I am impressed by the depth of your self-analysis. Keep up the good work. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : D Hi Avi, D Saturday, February 12, 2005, 11:34:40 PM, you wrote: AY Pardon me, Marck, but IMHO this is an entirely legitimate question for AY a beta tester to ask. Also, IMHO, the answer you cite is no answer AY at all - rather, it borders on being an insult. D I won't speak for Mark. Although the question may be legitimate. The point being D made here is that this topic was a rather lengthy topic not that long ago. We D did have some input I believe from Maxim - please correct me if I'm wrong here D anyone - It basically boils down to there is a major re-write going on and D rather than receive the beating over sending out a buggy beta. Like they have in D the past. The team is waiting for a product worthy of beta testing. D I've been on this list a long time. We beat them up pretty good for sending out D buggy beta's. Telling them how to act responsibly. It appears they took our D advice. IMHO we are getting the fruits of our __ insert your own words D here for the translations can be different... D This of course is my perception of the immense conversations that have been had D regarding this subject over the last several months. D No disrespect was intended on my part. Just the facts as I saw them :) We just want to know about their progress, if their near to release a beta or they still need to work it out for beta release. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias What does this do, Mr Woof? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : 9 Hello Jurgen, JH I'd say he (and Ritlabs) differentiate between Betas where JH they software developers already *know* there's a bug here, a bug JH there, a bug everywhere, and Betas where they think, hey we found JH them all, let's see what can be found through testing by all the JH buys on TBBETA. 9 Absolutely correct, most of current version bugs are not bugs (as 9 something that's going unexpected), but known issues. Therefore the 9 next beta will be available when we'll have no (or at least minimum 9 number) of known issues. And when do you expect that to be? I guess this is the main question here 9Val. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DH Not the first time I do note this on list: Whatever RITLabs chooses to DH do, it is wrong. They can't win. I disagree. They could win, all they would have to do is to inform us periodically about their 'ultrasonics' (roadmap), their progress with new betas and bugfixes. In fact that's all we ask, isn't it? Instead of making new developments they should, IMHO, choose a list of well known and important bugs, fix them and put them out into a new beta. It's not a good idea to build new features upon loads of bugs. I'm going to quote John Robbins in its Debugging Applications book: The final reason that bugs exist in projects is, in my opinion, the most serious. Every company and every engineer I've ever talked to has told me that their committed to quality. Unfortunately, some companies and engineers lack the real commitment quality takes. If you're ever worked at a company that was committed to quality or with an engineer who was, you certainly know it. They both feel a deep pride in what they are producing and are willing to spend the effort on all parts of development, not just the sexy parts. For example, instead of getting all wrapped up in the minutia of an algorithm, they pick a simpler algorithm and spend their time working on how best to test that algorithm. The customer doesn't buy algorithms, after all; the customer buys high-quality products. Companies and individuals with a real commitment to quality exhibit many of the same characteristics: careful up-front planning, personal accountability, solid quality control, and excellent communications abilities. DH Can't we just leave them alone? Or do we really need this list as an DH indicator that we are alive*? I guess we're not asking much. We just want to know how their work in progress is going. How many bugs have actually been corrected. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I came, I saw, I confused. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Mary! On Sunday, February 13, 2005, 7:12 AM, you wrote: Mary It is impossible to set a time line as to when things will be ready. Mary They will be ready when they are ready. I agree here, because if they came out and gave a date of the next release or a time table, there would be someone complaining that they are not a good company because they don't keep to there time table or they are late... My philosophy is when they release something then it is ready to beta test and if it is a long way between releases, then I will continue to beta test what is at hand until they release. later... -- IMHO Have A Happy, Ronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :beta: on Windows XP 5.1 Build on a Pentium III 700 MHz with 768 MB. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Jurgen! On Sunday, February 13, 2005, 7:20 AM, you wrote: Jurgen Hello Avi, Jurgen Sunday, February 13, 2005, 1:19:45 PM, you wrote: Jurgen if you have a question (or many of them) to *one* specific person, and you throw a fit if others have anything to say about it, then why post it on here and not ask that person in a PM? Right on...left off... -- IMHO Have A Happy, Ronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :usflag: :Ron_Cameron: :Flag-US-IA: Using :tbflaga: The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :beta: on Windows XP 5.1 Build on a Pentium III 700 MHz with 768 MB. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : AY On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:59:41 -0600, Mary Bull wrote: Second the feeling, Jürgen! He *is* right!! (In my view, of course, but I hold that view strongly.) AY Look, folks, I don't want to get into a flame war here. That is not my AY interest at all. And I have no interest in proving my biological AY existence either. But I also hold my view strongly, Mary, and I stand AY by what I wrote. And, for the record, I posed a few questions to 9Val AY - not to you, Mary, or to Dierk or Marck or Jurgen. So I would really AY appreciate it if I could get an answer from 9Val rather than all of AY you, especially as none of you in any way answered any of my AY questions! Is that too much to ask for? If you are not interested in AY those questions or do not want to make a serious attempt to answer AY them, then just try to ignore the questions. Is that really too much AY to ask for? I agree completely. Most of the dead horsed threads in this list occurred because of people missing the point of some questions. Rather than answering they prefer to discuss the legitimacy of the whether that question may or may not be asked in the list. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias New diet fad of the resession 90's... STEAL-A-MEAL! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MDP If you want to discuss issues that don't relate to the last MDP released beta version, start your own mailing list and ask the MDP RIT guys to join. Or mail them privately. The problem is that we've been discussing several bugs for several beta releases. It's good to know which ones are being taken care of. And if someone is suffering from a bug it's always good to know if RL is correcting it and when the correction is going to be released. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias SIN OF OMISSION: Any sin that you forgot to commit. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Sunday, February 13, 2005, 12:46:14 PM, you wrote: 29th February, late afternoon. Now you all know, can you all stop asking and let us get on with it please. You have my vote. Let us move on, wiser for the experience. Have a good day everyone. Jerry -- Ethan J. Mings Principal, The Desk Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
HelloDavid, OnSunday,February13,2005at14:09:28GMT-0500(whichwas20:09:28 whereIlive),DavidCalvaresewroteandmadethesevaluablepointson thesubjectof"thenextbeta?when?": TB29thFebruary,lateafternoon.Nowyouallknow,canyouallstopaskingandlet TBusgetonwithitplease. Sowillthatbe2,3,or4PM?:)JUSTKIDDING!:) That has to be a very stable release then as the first Feb 29 will be in 2008...;-) -- Bestregards, Dick ___ Ifyouatepastaandantipasta,wouldyoustillbehungry? UsingTheBat!v3.0.2.10onWindowsXP5.1Build2600ServicePack1 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/13/2005 Allie Martin wrote: AM Guys ... I'm sorry, but as a veteran member, I can't sing along with AM that chorus and feel sympathy for Avi who has experienced and AM injustice here. 2/13/2005 2:37 PM Hi Allie, Ever since I joined this forum a few months ago, two individuals have consistently demonstrated unpleasant attitudes. Avi seems to not pay attention to what takes place on this forum. As registered users of TB we are entitled to bug fixes. However, it is the developers who have the choices of when and how. All of us are free to begin using another email client. I, too, become displeased with the bugs in TB from time to time. I constantly test email clients and can truly call TB the best overall, as it has been since v.1 in 1998. Avi's unwillingness to observe and digest the threads on this forum is an injustice to every other member. Membership brings responsibilities and it is unfair to all members to have some who are unwilling to bear those responsibilities. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/13/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AYjust to see if a new beta had been AY released for me to test). 2/13/2005 2:49 PM Hi Avi, Based on recent information this topic should at least rest until the afternoon of February 29! Agreed? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
Hello Dean, Sunday, February 13, 2005, 9:34:53, you wrote: I won't speak for Mark. Although the question may be legitimate. The point being made here is that this topic was a rather lengthy topic not that long ago. We did have some input I believe from Maxim - please correct me if I'm wrong here anyone - It basically boils down to there is a major re-write going on and rather than receive the beating over sending out a buggy beta. We are currently repairing things that we've broken by introducing the new GUI. We have to fix the Quick-Search and similar things. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]:the next beta ? when ?
Hello Simon, Sunday, February 13, 2005, 10:12:41, you wrote: http://www.thebatworld.de/system/article/index.php?sid=577 It shows elements of change expected in the next Beta, which they mention will be March (info direct from Ritlabs). I'm not particularly good at German translation and as the article contains a number of graphics Googles decoding engine is only half effective... I'm not even sure I get the real meaning behind the changes... It's better to underpromise and overperform than to overpromise and underperform. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ASK Hello Claude Renaud everyone else, ASK on 12-Feb-2005 at 16:36 you (Claude Renaud) wrote: Does somebody know when the next beta will be available ? ASK Yes, I know. But I won't tell you, nor anybody else. Is there a The bat! roadmap somewhere ? ASK Bats don't need roadmaps. They use ultrasonics. Wasted bandwidth... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Don't mince words, Maurie ... what do you *REALLY* think? Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
