keyboard or software
Hello, The Bat Users! The situation: I want to answer to a message and try to delete passages I don't want to refer to; I use the mouse to mark the text, then I press the del-button (in German Entf): nothing happens. This always worked with Version 1.35. It works with other editors like Ultraedit and Word 97. Any idea ? Best wishes mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 C -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: keyboard or software
Hello Thomas, Your message from Friday, November 19, 1999, 10:35 : "keyboard or software" TF Works here with both the Delete button as well as the Backspace TF button. Did you try Backspace? Yes; it didn't either. Only the menu commands work. Best regards Bernhard Kaiser Using The Bat! 1.36 Under WINDOWS 95 Version 4.0 Build 1212 C -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: keyboard or software
Hi Bernhard, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 5:46:58 PM GMT+0800, Bernhard Kaiser wrote: [marked text in Reply window does not disappear when "delete" or "backspace" is hit] TF Works here with both the Delete button as well as the Backspace TF button. Did you try Backspace? BK Yes; it didn't either. Only the menu commands work. Maybe someone with a German keyboard should answer. We had another case where the Bat! behaved differently depending on whether you use a European keyboard. -- Ciao, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: keyboard or software
Hi all, Bernhard Kaiser wrote: TF Works here with both the Delete button as well as the Backspace TF button. Did you try Backspace? Yes; it didn't either. Only the menu commands work. You seem to have the 'Persistent Blocks' option checked in your editor preferences. If this option is checked then what you are describing will in fact occur. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Shoplifters with the runs take Clepto Bismol ** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/1 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: keyboard or software
Hi all, Bernhard Kaiser wrote: TF Works here with both the Delete button as well as the Backspace TF button. Did you try Backspace? Yes; it didn't either. Only the menu commands work. Another thing. Make sure that the 'overwrite blocks' option is checked as well, then everything should be working as you expected. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Program: the conversion of input into error messages. ** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/1 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %Cursor
On Thursday, November 18, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote: SL Of course a new message is going to have you enter the header SL information first. MUAs have been doing this since there *have* SL been MUAs. I don't even know what an MUA is. Me neither and it's not listed in the Webopaedia. Internet search turned up: - the first chiefs of Rotuma, Hawai'i - Maritime Union of Australia - Ministry of University Affairs, Bangkok - New Zealand's Leading Value-Added Distributor for SME Resellers - something to do with Vietnamese music - exclusive distributors for the exciting new SOX CTI Product - KUmailer: E-mail User Agent (MUA) for Hangul, Korean Character So, I'm guessing it's (E-)Mail User Agent and not Rotuma chiefs that have been "doing this since there have been MUAs". -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %Cursor
Hello Paula Ford, On Friday, November 19, 1999, 17:24:10 (GMT +07:00) you told us: I don't even know what an MUA is. PF - KUmailer: E-mail User Agent (MUA) for Hangul, Korean Character PF So, I'm guessing it's (E-)Mail User Agent and not Rotuma chiefs PF that have been "doing this since there have been MUAs". You're right, MUA = Mail User Agent. It is standard name in RFC related to E-mail; and SMTP Mail Server mostly said as MTA (Mail Transfer Agent). -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 (reg) under Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 6 Created : Friday, November 19, 1999, 17:35:50 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: %Cursor
Hi Paula, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 6:24:10 PM GMT+0800, Paula Ford wrote: I don't even know what an MUA is. PF Me neither and it's not listed in the Webopaedia. Internet search turned PF up: [lovable a well-researched list skipped] PF So, I'm guessing it's (E-)Mail User Agent and not Rotuma chiefs that PF have been "doing this since there have been MUAs". ROTFL :-D Let's fill in the blanks: SL Of course a new message is going to have you enter the header SL information first. Mail User Agents have been doing this since SL there *have* been Mail User Agents. [legal remark: this is a forged quotation. Steve never wrote this.] I am not sure whether this makes sense to me. I have called my email programme Mail Client, Mail Prog, and other things that are not fit for a user list targeting families, but never a Mail User Agent. OTOH, I only entered Cyberspace four years ago (when the first ISP opened in Thailand), so what do *I* know. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: keyboard or software
Hallo Ali, Deine Nachricht vom Freitag, 19. November 1999, 11:02 Uhr: "keyboard or software" Ali Another thing. Make sure that the 'overwrite blocks' option is checked Ali as well, then everything should be working as you expected. That's it I stay in the list !!! -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: keyboard or software
Hi Bernhard, At 10:27 19.11.99 +0100, you wrote: The situation: I want to answer to a message and try to delete passages I don't want to refer to; I use the mouse to mark the text, then I press the del-button (in German Entf): nothing happens. There are two 'Entf' on my keyboard: one in the numeric keypad and one below the 'Einfg'. The first one does not work here if 'shift lock' is active. Which one do you use? Regards, Wolfgang -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Many accounts - only one address book?
Hello, I am using The Bat! 1.36 and I have 4 other users (accounts). One thing is there wrong, because all the users have common address book. What I want is a separate AB for every user. How to do that? It looks simple... - just create a new address book - but what I want is that other people couldn't see others address books... Is it possible? best regards, Jacek Wojaczynski -- /\_/\*kocurek* Jacek Wojaczyski (~o o~) [EMAIL PROTECTED] )'Y'(UIN:32693721 ( ) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Many accounts - only one address book?
Hello, Friday, November 19, 1999, You wrote: Hello, I am using The Bat! 1.36 and I have 4 other users (accounts). One thing is there wrong, because all the users have common address book. What I want is a separate AB for every user. How to do that? It looks simple... - just create a new address book - but what I want is that other people couldn't see others address books... Is it possible? No, for this time. Maybe in version 2 of The Bat!, which can be post at december 1999 :-))) -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under the worst Windows 95 4.0 Build B Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 32 MB -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Many accounts - only one address book?
Hi, I am using The Bat! 1.36 and I have 4 other users (accounts). One thing is there wrong, because all the users have common address book. What I want is a separate AB for every user. How to do that? It looks simple... - just create a new address book - but what I want is that other people couldn't see others address books... Is it possible? No, for this time. Maybe in version 2 of The Bat!, which can be post at december 1999 :-))) Speaking of multiple users, I tried setting this up so that someone else could see and use their own accounts. I wanted to remain a super user so that I could do network settings and such, so after setting everything up: 1) I could see the other persons account, which is no big problem (though I'd rather not) except that I didn't want to download their email everytime I did a "download for all accounts". So I set their account for "ignore download all". But this made it so that when they used their account, they couldn't do a "download for all accounts". Is there a way around this? 2) The other user, not being a supervisor user could not see the dialup monitor so they had no way of stopping the dialup, or see what progress was being made during the dialup. Is there a reason for this? In version 2 will it be possible to create user accounts first and then let accounts be defined for them instead of the other way around? There seems to be a lot of intermingling of user/account information right now. Thanks, Kevin Boylan Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 Under Windows NT4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %Cursor
Friday, November 19, 1999, 10:30:25 AM, Watcher wrote: I'd like to note that almost 25% of the emails that followed the thread I started with no subject, were from Steve and the amazing part is he not only did NOT help me resolve any of my problems but he also managed to alienate a fairly large group of people including any newbie that might be watching. Although this is a dead horse and I've let a lot slip by I just wanted to comment on this. I didn't answer because I didn't get into the thread until 2-3 replies had already gone through with the proper answers. Why should I answer for the 4th (or more) time what already has been answered before and spam the entire list with repeated, accurate information? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Many accounts - only one address book?
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello All, I think i've found a solution for the multiple-user problem... however: it's in windows! all you have to do is re-login under a different name you'll see the bat in it's original settings (if you installed it under that account!) Now, how to set this up easily: startup windows, configure it for multiple users, relogin as the default-user... before creating any other profiles install The Bat! and make the general settings... now, relogin, create your windows-account start-up The Bat!... now, this version is yours: if you screw it up completely (the registry settings, not affecting the files) the other users won't have a problem... Why is it like this? simple: all the configuration-settings were put in the 'hkey_current_user' section of the registry... Warning for shareware-users: the reg-key that holds the numbers of days the prog is installed is also there, so you need to reconfigure each account after the period (or you figure out the key change it along... - much less work once you know which one it is :-) ) Want more info, don't understand completely what i'm talking about? just contact me... (also for the things concerning windows, no prob) HTH :-) BTW: this puts the 'superuser' useless: since everybody's got his own version (with different mail-dirs, settings, adress-books,...) the only hassle is to re-login if you change persons behind the pc... -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's better to be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
I like Acronyms beginning with YA
Morning sirs, on the recent subjects: - long discussion threads: I enjoy them. But I also see the points that they might scare off newbies. Possible solution: Yet another !-list *exclusively* for questions about the program and no bug discussion about why it should be this way or that. Then this list could concentrate even more on discussing all those usability issues etc. in depth. This is productive, it leads to new insights and ideas. - the Steve wars: Personally, I do agree with many of Steves points. I have a friend who seems to argue just like he does :-P I enjoy this kind of controversy, it too leads to insights, ideas, rational thinking. Sure, Steves comments are very direct and not my style, but then, it's rational... something else: - usability again: currently the text formatting keys (alt+l, alt+j, alt+r etc.) align the paragraph to the leftmost ie rightmost line of the paragraph. I would find it more useful to align to the cursor position - quickly format indented blocks instead of having to indent every line of a paragraph to indent it. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 - - - On acronyms beginning with "YA" Maybe they remind me of "Y Am See Ey", but then they remind me more of YAMs, which I just happen to link with a weird spelling for "I am": "AHYAM" or just simply "a yam" (hmmm, what about "eye yam"?) The real reason I like these acronyms is for their versatility - all desciptions for "Yet Another..." begin with it. Examples: YARF, YALE, YAIL, YARD, YAST, YANK and (YA)LNBL - - - YAM. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %Cursor
On Friday, November 19, 1999, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: PF So, I'm guessing it's (E-)Mail User Agent and not Rotuma chiefs PF that have been "doing this since there have been MUAs". You're right, MUA = Mail User Agent. Do I get to try the big money category next? I want to be a millionaire too. (For international friends: It's a big hit TV show here in the USA.) -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
(SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and all related things...
MUA stands for Mail Use Agent or Messaging User Agent. MTA is for Mail Transfer agent. There is a third, MDA, which stands for Mail Delivery Agent. Now, as always, I'm sure someone like Alex could come up and point out where I am wrong, but this is my understanding of these terms, why I use them in the way that I do and how they shape my thoughts and views on the whole technical and social mechanisms of email. Each of the three terms, MUA, MTA, MDA, describe not programs, but roles. This is an important distinction since some programs could easily be several of the different roles. The MUA is the role of being an interface to the user. It allows the user to read and prepare mail for sending. This is all an MUA does. The MTA is the role of moving mail from system A to system B in a secure, speedy and proper manner. This is all an MTA does, move mail. The MDA is the role of actually delivering mail once it is on system B. This delivery might include further steps as delivery includes the filtering process. The main focus of most email clients is to fulfill the MUA role. However, they also fill other roles. For example, TB! is an MUA (let's you read/prepare mail for delivery), limited MTA (POP/SMTP transfers), limited MDA (filtering mail into different folders is delivery) as well as a text editor, a spell checker and other things. This is why in the previous thread I said that the expected behavior of TB! conformed to those of MUAs through the years. Not all email clients to everything that TB! does but the portion of the email client we were talking about, preparing a message to be sent, falls clearly in the MUA role. Now, here's where a lot of people would get up in arms with me. They have on other lists, newsgroups and, I believe, even here. I feel that neither the Windows world or the Unix world have gotten the concept of "Email Client" down correctly. Both have clients, sure, but the roles (and lack of roles) they take on are flawed. In Windows the problem is all of the clients implement too much. For example, TB!, as stated, is an MUA, limited MTA, limited MDA, text editor, spell checker LDAP client. I feel that the text editor and spell checker should be left out entirely and only hooks into a text editor provided. The text editor would then not implement a spell check but, instead, provide hooks to call one. In this way each person can use the editor they prefer and spell checker they prefer. In fact, they could use the editor/spell checker across a variety of programs and in doing so have a consistent interface for those two portions across those programs as well as the ability to choose the best editor/spell checker for them. This would free up time for the authors of the mail client to work on the mail client instead of reimplementing an editor and a spell checker which will always be subpar to the editors and spell checkers from authors who are programming them and not them and an email client as well. In unix the problem is that most, if not all, of the clients implement too little. Hardly any clients are as capable as TB! and PMMail98 on checking multiple, separate accounts. Most cannot filter mail but, instead, rely upon a program designed to fill the MDA role to do the filtering. Because of that paradigm most also do not handle POP/IMAP with any intelligence at all. However, they don't encumber themselves with editors or spell checkers and, rightfully, simply provide hooks to other programs to handle those specialized tasks. A lot of people have argued that an editor and a spell checker (for example) are required in producing mail and thus should be reimplemented by the authors of each individual email client. A lot of other people argue that separate tasks should be handled by separate programs. So how do I reconcile the need to combine some tasks (MUA/MTA/MDA) but not others (editor/spell checker) into an email client? The key lies in understanding what the primary function of an email client is. An email client is, at the core, a program which handles a database. That database is what we call "messages." With any database there are functions which need to be there to make it functional. 1: Import POP/IMAP/local spool files provide this functionality. Therefore a proper email client should be able to retrieve its own mail from remote servers as an import function. 2: Sorting Not only does this apply to what is already in the database, but also what is coming into the database. If the client must be able to import (retrieve) messages from other servers it means it must also be able to filter them. 3: Export Finally, what good is a database if you cannot take the data that is in it and move it elsewhere. SMTP provides this functionality. 4: Maintenance Finally routines need to be provided for the maintenance of the database. The ability to trim it of cruft, move records around,
Re: (No Subject)
On Friday, November 19, 1999, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: PF You're talking about a case, however, where the user has consciously PF requested that the cursor be put in a specific position. Why not honor PF that request? %cursor macro means that cursor will be placed to this position when focus will be given to message edit area. It does so. True. User requests that focus when opening a message with already filled "to" and "subj" fields would not be given to "to" field but to message edit area. Also, true. It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. Well, it would seem that it is implementable, since it works that way with Replies. Suppose i write a template for message which will always have to addressees, constant one and variable one and a constant beginning of a subject, and still want cursor to be at certain place in the message after I'll finish filling in the variable address and subject. What should I do, if I will have no possibility of using %cursor macro? Irreconcilable user preferences. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and all related things...
Hi there! On 19 Nov 99, at 16:37, Steve Lamb wrote about "(SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and al": Now, as always, I'm sure someone like Alex could come up and point out where I am wrong, but this is my understanding of these terms, why I use them in the way that I do and how they shape my thoughts and views on the whole technical and social mechanisms of email. Okay, okay, you're quite right, and here is a gift to you: http://www.infradig.com Hope you'll like it:-) Besides, it's free... [snip] In Windows the problem is all of the clients implement too much. For example, TB!, as stated, is an MUA, limited MTA, limited MDA, text editor, spell checker LDAP client. I feel that the text editor and spell checker should be left out entirely and only hooks into a text editor provided. Now tell me how you think this can be implemented in winDOS:- ) No way! M$ has done everything against it already, for if only M$ gave the programmers some ways to do so --- winDOS would become Linux the next day, and there would be no place for M$ on the market:-). Linux has such thing as "protocols" that make it possible to exchange data etc. in between specialized applications. Quite the contrary with winDOS. What do we have? OLE? Don't make me laugh! DDE? Well, but how many applications support DDE? MAPI? M$ has done everything it could to prevent MAPI from spreading (the interested people can try to read MAPI 1.0 specs:-. M$ gains money (lions share of it) by marketing all-in-one applications, buggy, unreliable, but which pretend to be able to do everything. Therefore they in fact tell their users "hey, use our apps -- and you'll need no other programs, and you'll have no need to *learn* how to do things". It's idiotic, yes, but this position resulted in crowds of "users" that do not want to learn *at all*. Once more, M$ makes money out of it, and you can do pretty little about it:-( The text editor would then not implement a spell check but, instead, provide hooks to call one. In this way each person can use the editor they prefer and spell checker they prefer. In fact, they could use the editor/spell checker across a variety of programs and in doing so have a consistent interface for those two portions across those programs as well as the ability to choose the best editor/spell checker for them. The only programs under WinDOS that do exactly this (but leave no choice to the users) is... guess what? Office+Outlook:- ) This would free up time for the authors of the mail client to work on the mail client instead of reimplementing an editor and a spell checker which will always be subpar to the editors and spell checkers from authors who are programming them and not them and an email client as well. In theory, I'm on your side. But this is all Linux ideology, and that's why Linux is great. But we live under WinDOS here:-((( In unix the problem is that most, if not all, of the clients implement too little. Hardly any clients are as capable as TB! and PMMail98 on checking multiple, separate accounts. With IMAP you needn't it at all (when under Linux). Take Mutt, and voila! [...] 1: Import POP/IMAP/local spool files provide this functionality. Therefore a proper email client should be able to retrieve its own mail from remote servers as an import function. 2: Sorting Not only does this apply to what is already in the database, but also what is coming into the database. If the client must be able to import (retrieve) messages from other servers it means it must also be able to filter them. 3: Export Finally, what good is a database if you cannot take the data that is in it and move it elsewhere. SMTP provides this functionality. 4: Maintenance Finally routines need to be provided for the maintenance of the database. The ability to trim it of cruft, move records around, perform backups and so forth. And now go and check the url I've provided above:-) But under WinDOS this won't help you a lot, will it? [...] SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: Beware of low-flying butterflies. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and all related things...
Monday, November 22, 1999, 5:23:01 PM, Alexander wrote: The text editor would then not implement a spell check but, The only programs under WinDOS that do exactly this (but leave no choice to the users) is... guess what? Office+Outlook:- ) Quite the contrary, PMMail. ;) This would free up time for the authors of the mail client to work on the mail client instead of reimplementing an editor In theory, I'm on your side. But this is all Linux ideology, and that's why Linux is great. But we live under WinDOS here:-((( In theory it is great and in practice it is, too. Sure, we live in WinDOS here but it doesn't mean we cannot take the high points of the other world and incorporate them here. Like I said, I like how TB! and PMMail handle multiple accounts. There is nothing as elegant and power in the Unix world. I'm certainly not one to sit on that side of the fence and say "Hey, that's great in Windows, but we live under Linux." http://sourceforge.net/project/?form_grp=273 In unix the problem is that most, if not all, of the clients implement too little. Hardly any clients are as capable as TB! and PMMail98 on checking multiple, separate accounts. With IMAP you needn't it at all (when under Linux). Take Mutt, and voila! Take mutt and do what? Btw, you might want to check the many, MANY posts I've made on the topic on www.deja.com before answering that. Chances are, I've already addressed what you may me thinking of several times over. Needless to say, mutt, while an excellent single-user, single-account MUA is utterly outclassed compared to PMMail/TB! when it comes to multiple accounts. And now go and check the url I've provided above:-) But under WinDOS this won't help you a lot, will it? Cool, postie. Actually, I used postie to send out turns for a Stars! game that I hosted quite a while ago. That and a batch file was all I need to send out news postings and turn files for my game of 5-6 people. One could do a lot with postie and perl if one was so inclined. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and all related things...
Hi Alexander, on Tuesday, November 23, 1999, 9:23:01 AM GMT+0800, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: [...] Your machine is three days fast and I can never find your messages until after someone has replied already and I go looking. Kindly check. ;-) -- Thanks, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi Paula, on Saturday, November 20, 1999, 8:38:11 AM GMT+0800, Paula Ford wrote: It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. PF Well, it would seem that it is implementable, since it works that way PF with Replies. This is why I was wondering whether we should put it on that mnysterious wish-list. Anyway, I domn't want to start the whole thread all over again. Suppose i write a template for message which will always have to addressees, constant one and variable one and a constant beginning of a subject, and still want cursor to be at certain place in the message after I'll finish filling in the variable address and subject. What should I do, if I will have no possibility of using %cursor macro? PF Irreconcilable user preferences. This means there should be two seperate %Cursor macros: 1.) Where should the curosr be when I start the message (for example in the ehader, or in the body)? 2.) Once I tab into the body, where should the cursor be then? Number 2 is the current %Cursor command. Number 1 is the candidate for the wish-list. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (SOT) Moo-ah, Met-ah, Med-ah and all related things...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, November 19, 1999, 11:31:07 PM, Thomas wrote: Hi Steve, on Saturday, November 20, 1999, 8:37:02 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: SL MUA stands for Mail Use Agent or Messaging User Agent. MTA is for Mail SL Transfer agent. There is a third, MDA, which stands for Mail Delivery Agent. [very good explanation skipped} For all those who have put Steve on the kill filter, please note that you've missed something very educational. Yes, this is the problem with people like Steve, they aren't stupid, just very irritating. You have to balance if the information received is worth the anti-social behavior that generally accompanies it. I'd also like to note that from my experience a "Steve" ages very well and becomes a considerable asset. I can't wait! 8^) Generally speaking if a "Steve" does make some good points someone that is willing to deal with his behavior will comment on it and the rest of us will get the good parts without the bad parts via quoted replies. Thank you for being willing to be that person. SL A lot of people have argued that an editor and a spell checker (for SL example) are required in producing mail and thus should be reimplemented by SL the authors of each individual email client. A lot of other people argue that SL separate tasks should be handled by separate programs. So how do I reconcile SL the need to combine some tasks (MUA/MTA/MDA) but not others (editor/spell SL checker) into an email client? FYI rumours have it that the well-advertised Version 2 will have an option "use external editor". I think you will agree with me that this would make everybody happy. I agree, the more a program is based on hooks into the code and the more modular the code the more customizable it will be and in general the better the program will be accepted because it can be customized to meet "my" needs. - -- Watcher aka Bill DeVos |[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aack.net/ | http://www.aack.net/watcher - - Fine day to work off excess energy. Steal something heavy. - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBODYpsm14vvNVqX4UEQIPkgCfRB8khmNRV0jGqVBFHlXJv4RkexMAoMMn 7I4N44MFZ3C7Qm83H9aiezGy =lrAm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Not in USA PGP sources
Saturday, November 20, 1999 Hello Douglas, Friday, Friday, November 19, 1999, you wrote: Douglas Hello all fellow TBUDL members, Douglas I need a PGP source that's not in the USA, since I'm not there myself Douglas and the silly export technology law there exists. There must be plenty Douglas of European (for instance) sources I'd appreciated being pointed to Douglas one, given that most TBUDL members are also not in the US and some do Douglas use PGP. I donot trust the USA version, so you are better of getting the international version anyway Douglas Thanks in advance Douglas Douglas Hinds mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.37 Beta/3 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Saturday, November 20, 1999 Hello Kevin, Friday, Friday, November 19, 1999, you wrote: Beginners shouldn't really be making suggestions. Furthermore everyone is a beginner exactly once. I don't like things that are geared for beginners at the exclusion of those who aren't because of that. Kevin I was waiting for this. So now you get your way around here only due Kevin to seniority. Cute. Kevin You know, most people get over the "I know more than everybody else" Kevin stage sometime in their teens. Well, having worked with computers for something like 35 years I am still learning, its part of the fun... And I also do stupid things! I had a beautiful one yesterday but as it got solved in the end I will make up for it treating the guy who did in the end tell me what I had totally forgotten to a few beers on monday... But if one sees the same stupid problems over and over again in support admittedly one tends to get into a habit whats best to get rid of them (unless one hits the odd case which proofs to be a total screwup and one has to think) Personally I think that cursor is in the correct place, its the logical place. However as this is a mailing list and it isnt ones job to fix everybodies problems its very easy as one can just ignore the questions one doesnt like. Whatever, can we park this horse with the other dead ones in the farm??? Yes, they did. Normally, though, such ideas aren't ones that are rehashed and argued over every time a new person comes into the forum. For example... Kevin You've been on enough mailing lists to know what to expect. These things, among others, are what makes it hard for the experienced users to stay on this, and other, lists. They are topics that keep coming up ever 3-6 weeks with the new people. Kevin So I just hope it gets harder. Kevin Time for a Steve Lamb kill filter. Kevin Bye, Kevin Kevin Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.37 Beta/3 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
