Re: TB! v1.49 - I CANNOT install TB! on a new machine HELP!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ray! On Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 7:53:43 PM you wrote: I have done this many times. Hopefully Jan knows what he is doing since even slightly mistakes in the registry can lead to disaster. That's why I gave so much caveats and no details ... - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Wenn man arbeitet, hat man keine Zeit, Geld zu verdienen. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpYMA/To1oA8g8dLEQKvKQCfYG2tjXXsYt7dpFbKZEl5EWpdfv0An18j RPN/PuVllfIeJ8zo6dwS6/Hy =94Kx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Encoding of attachments (was: Help! Is this a virus?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Lija! On Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 8:17:34 PM you wrote: AFAIK, B64 is intended to be used in mail and UUE for Usenet. I only wonder about the same size of msg I get between these encodings. I thought with UUE encoding it will be smaller... Well, again I am no expert. I think you err in assuming major size differences between the two. AFAISI they do basically the same - converting binaries into asciis - only with different code tables. There may be differing file sizes to a small degree especially if one uses 8bit and the other 7bit character transfer. Please correct me. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C "Is everyone in the world corrupt?!" "I don't know everyone." (Billy Wilder) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpYM7/To1oA8g8dLEQJHpQCg0UgU495btNf0wfMwyGwV3CUbE6QAoMrJ KAY9G98aTwj63e0A9jT9ybEG =E+dA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
Hi all, Ryan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It works with me, I'm using Windows 2000 PRO with IE 5.0. Maybe netscape is messed up some how. Dave wrote: assuming the browser is already running. I understand that shift-double-clicking a URL should do that, but it doesn't work for me. I'm using Netscape 4.76 as my default browser. Same problem in my system. I'm using TB 1.49, Netscape 4.76 on Win2K. Bye: SyP -- -- Mi az Ön MailBox címe? - http://mailbox.hu -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
Hi Alexander, AL I was just wondering: my TB!-folder is 700 MB. Are you aware of the way TB handles deleted mails in it's database? Do a folder | compress all and see how much freed space is reported. -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists writing without the moderator's hat on ;-) Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.49 - Where are QTs stored?
Hello all, Friday, February 23, 2001, Jan Rifkinson wrote: I've sort of moved TB! over to a new machine. But I have no QTs or filters. Now what? ACCOUNT.QTN file in account home directory. -- Bye Marek Mikus Using the best The Bat! 1.49f under the worst Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Intel Celeron 266 MHz, 96 MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Am I expelled?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Gerry, On 22 February 2001 at 15:27:20 -0500 (which was 20:27 where I live) words of wisdom emanated from Gerry Doyon. T I'm also still missing many messages, but some have come dripping in T eventually. I guess the others will, too. GD Just a few minutes ago many messages came to me in a "flood". I must GD have received around thirty now and they keep coming in even now. VERY GD strange!! Snap I have just received about 200. After a day without any. Just looking at the headers they look like they are bouncing around in a couple of servers for almost a day. - -- Good Bye, ___ David | The Bat! 1.49e, PGP 6.5.8 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2000 Server 5.0.2195 SP1 | International | | This tag contains 6,666% U.S. RDA for this conference. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBOpYyN/mK8eZlD0U0EQLqDgCeJT0yFHXULg9K+yKmFdXvf6usJEcAoPrM cVrfB8RPLgjD3ADHyjHS1Urk =vQ7v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hi Jacek, On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:55:44 +0100GMT (29/12/2000, 21:55 +0800GMT), Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski wrote: Just for the sake of completeness: and "Purge all folders" is actually "Purge/compress all folders". JkW Is it? Yes. JkW I have 2 different options: JkW 1. Folder/Compress All folders JkW 2. Folder/Purge All folders 1. Is correct. This one just compresses. 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All Folders. Because that's what it does. JkW What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge JkW All folders. Is it possible? No. :-( JkW If not - is it on the wishlist? Yes. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jacek! On Friday, December 29, 2000 at 2:55:44 PM you wrote: What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the wishlist? Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should do it every time you close TB!, I think. Downside, you have to do check it for every folder individually, a drag if you have lots of them. Best to check when creating a folder. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Panta Rei. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpYrlPTo1oA8g8dLEQIepACdE5buqnqnqggO1IHCBtADQPBnamMAoKpU LNUgoT8HXQ3PlVVFvC0Us8UB =JTRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
Hi Wolfgang, AL I was just wondering: my TB!-folder is 700 MB. Are you aware of the way TB handles deleted mails in it's database? Yes, I would say I know that. But I currently have about 12500 Mails of which the ones in most of the folders are automatically deleted after a certain time (such as the ones in the trash-folder, e.g.), and I actually (still) have enough space on my hard-drive/partition. I used compression before but that (of course) makes TB! work for a while to compress the database. I don't want to wait that long, and I don't really see any advantage in compressing the folders besides the reduction of the folder-size. Or what else would there be? But I compressed the largest folders for you :-): it saved about 70 MB. If I would compress every folder it would probably save some 160 MB - not really that much. Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Question: Backup-function
Hi Alexander, ... AL If I would compress every folder it would probably save some 160 AL MB - not really that much. It would shrink your W2K backup to ~640 MB :-) -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists writing without the moderator's hat on ;-) Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Archiving Messages - A btt off topic
Hello All: Does anyone know of a Windows program which generates searchable, html-based message archive of e-mail messages. I host a mailing list which is currently archived at the Mail Archive (Same location as the The Bat's archive) but I wish to have an archive on my web page and to have a permanent record of messages. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ron C. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Huddling with TB folders and sending msgs
Hello TBUDL subscribers, I've been huddling the default TB folders, but now I got the problem. :( I put the Sent folder under the Inbox (or whatever folder, it doesn't matter), but now I can not get it to its default place - in "root" of my account! Help me to get the right place of this folder back! Ctrl-Alt-Drag doesn't help. :( ... I tried to sent these msgs, but I couldn't! Now, I checked in the Help - the right combination is Alt-Drag :(( The most peculiar now is that the msgs won't be sent if you mess with position with Sent folder... :-/ -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Peculiar name of the attachment
Hello TBUDL subscribers,
I have one sample msg with JPEG picture in attachment.
Now, when I double-click that image ('miss2.jpg'), in TB viewer window bar I do
not get miss2.jpg as a name, I get the name of _temporary_ file (like:
21c414d2.jpg), right? And it always differs.
Why is that for? Couldn't it be "normal"?
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Best regards, Lija
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TB glyphs
Hello TBUDL subscribers, Did anyone here create his own glyphs for TB? If so, could you send that file to me privately, just for my own amusement? Then, I must copy it to TB folder and correct name of that file must be GLYPH.BMP, right? TIA. -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB submission forms
Hello TBUDL subscribers, Also, does anyone have some TBC files to send me, just to see how them look like and work? TIA. -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving Messages - A btt off topic
Ron Erik Fookes who wrote NoteTab has an arching program called Mailbag that might do what you ask - I don't use HTML mail, but if that's what you messages are stored in I can't see why it won't work. Go www.fookes.com Regards Kevin -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Huddling with TB folders and sending msgs
Hello Lija, Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:13:47 PM, you wrote: L Ctrl-Alt-Drag doesn't help. :( No. Ctrl + Alt + Drag puts the moved folder *into* another folder - and the "Sent"-folder "dies" when you do this. You have to use Alt + Drag to put it back as a root-folder in the account (it doesn't matter where). -- Best regards, Jannik Lindquist -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Question: Backup-function
Hey Alexander, Friday, February 23, 2001, 5:26:40 AM, you wrote: AL I don't really see any advantage in compressing the folders AL besides the reduction of the folder-size. Or what else would there AL be? But I compressed the largest folders for you :-): it saved AL about 70 MB. If I would compress every folder it would probably AL save some 160 MB - not really that much. I'm not sure about TB!, but when I worked with databases (~1990), you did a purge (to remove all records that were marked "deleted"), then in TB! case a compress to take all the "empty" space out of the db that is left when removing a record. Also, I would guess a re-index happens which would speed up access time. Anyone more knowledgeable on TB! inner workings want to confirm/deny that? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.49 Windows NT 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 1) I have an imaginary friend who refuses to play with me. Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Difference between
Hey Thomas, Friday, February 23, 2001, 5:15:52 AM, you wrote: T 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All T Folders. Because that's what it does. Did not know that, thanks for the tip! I had been doing it the hard way. g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.49 Windows NT 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 1) Your mouse has moved. Windows must now reboot. Click OK to continue. Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
Hello Tim, I'm not sure about TB!, but when I worked with databases (~1990), you did a purge (to remove all records that were marked "deleted"), I would say = "remove old messages"? then in TB! case a compress to take all the "empty" space out of the db that is left when removing a record. Shouldn't "remove old messages" in connection with "Keep messages in the base for:" do that? Also, I would guess a re-index happens which would speed up access time. I can't tell any difference. The only thing I _can_ say is that the process of compressing the database takes some time which I consider unnecessary under these circumstances. Anyone more knowledgeable on TB! inner workings want to confirm/deny that? Yes, I would really be interested too. Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tim, On 23 February 2001 at 08:23:38 -0500 (which was 13:23 where I live) Tim Musson wrote and made these points: TM Anyone more knowledgeable on TB! inner workings want to confirm/deny TM that? I will confirm the application of the terminology. That is the meaning and function of those terms in the context of the TB Mail bases. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpZpEjnkJKuSnc2gEQIVjgCgyvdRvZW4fEPGtiNp4cJ/hsDcTUIAnRi9 pyI/FnCVimQpN492ZlFgdc0z =NZU4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, On 23 February 2001 at 13:43:45 + (which was 13:43 where I live) Marck D. Pearlstone wrote and made these points: TM Anyone more knowledgeable on TB! inner workings want to confirm/deny TM that? MDP I will confirm the application of the terminology. That is the meaning MDP and function of those terms in the context of the TB Mail bases. Sorry - I'm wrong. 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages flagged as deleted and reclaims the space. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpZtbTnkJKuSnc2gEQJ0EQCgyDjO+ms/jxnjQYiXmVG6IiSKq4AAn1hw 8Qn6967zHeFIWSdSlLNf/wLM =1dN6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address for List Archives?
Hello Thomas, Responding to your article on Fri, 23 Feb 2001 at 02:21:36 GMT +0800 (which was 2/23/2001 1:21 AM GMT +0700 my Local Time) : NA Is it just me, or does the address for the List Archives in the footer NA message have to be changed. I cannot connect to: NA http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com NA but I can connect to: NA http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/ for TBUDL, and: T Now I get it. When I didn't receive messages, I tried to check the T archives and thought, well, dear old Duta International is down. T Appears it never was. Not down, only messages that address for some destination can not deliver :-( T By the way, the internet backbone undersea cable that broke on 16 T Feb, off the cost of Shanghai, conecting parts of Asia (especially T Taiwan, China and Japan) to the US, is still not fixed. They have T found alternative ways to route the traffic, but there are of T course traffic jams which still have repercussions throughout the T world. Telephone service from here is even effected (as internet T traffic is routed through communication satellites). So this might T have to do with POP servers in the US (and even Canada?) and in T Asia having problems receiving TB list traffic (or rather: Duta's T SMTP server having problems connecting to our servers). Yupe your information correct. My ISP gateway to Hong Kong was broke, so too many messages queue on the server. I have route through relayer since last night (direct to Mae West USA). -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.49d under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Friday, February 23, 2001, 9:49:37 PM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
Hello Marck, 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages flagged as deleted and reclaims the space. That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I can hardly believe that... Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello, T 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All T Folders. Because that's what it does. Holy... wow! It just reduced my TB! installation folder from 720 MB to 180 MB!! :-)) And it was really fast! Ok, now I know what to do more often... Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Am I expelled?
On Thursday, February 22, 2001, 7:14:54 AM, Marck wrote: It may be that your ISP's receiving server (or the backbone from Indonesia to them) is having a problem, in which case the messages will be in the dutaint retry queue and should arrive eventually. Thanks to Marck and all who have replied. Indeed those messages eventually came, including my own post, though hours late. I did some checking of those much delayed messages, and found all of them were delayed between dutaint.com (our mailing list server) and spij.co.id. E.g., the header of my original post of this thread contains the following information: Received: from dutaint.com by spij.co.id with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:13:30 +0700 Received: from spij.co.id by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0i.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:05:14 +0700 which indicates a 5-hour+ delay between the time the mailing list server got my message and the time it successfully handed it to spij.co.id again. In those earlier cases (those I didn't receive on 21), the time between when dutaint.com got the message and when it handed it to spij.co.id (didn't see any other server involved) could stretch to more than one day. Since the problem is not related to TB (the software), I'll reply others on TBOT. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alexander, On 23 February 2001 at 15:54:32 +0100 (which was 14:54 where I live) Alexander Levenetz wrote and made these points: 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages flagged as deleted and reclaims the space. AL That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in AL the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I AL can hardly believe that... Indeed - strange but true. A purge operation doesn't take long. A compress operation can do. I think that it was an early design decision to separate the functions. I have all of my folders configured to do both on exit, so I never have to think about it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpZ+SznkJKuSnc2gEQJyjwCfUCxseL1WS2eCTftsUKbY3lLQozIAniv4 Bhq4hQoIW/n7q0thnS6rozOd =7Dq1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
Hallo Alexander, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:54:32 +0100 GMT (23/02/2001, 22:54 +0800 GMT), Alexander Levenetz wrote: 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages flagged as deleted and reclaims the space. AL That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in AL the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I AL can hardly believe that... Believe it, 'tis the truth. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Work fascinates me. I could sit and watch it for hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Peculiar name of the attachment
Hallo Lija,
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:41:37 +0100 GMT (23/02/2001, 19:41 +0800 GMT),
Lija wrote:
L I have one sample msg with JPEG picture in attachment.
L Now, when I double-click that image ('miss2.jpg'), in TB viewer window bar I do
L not get miss2.jpg as a name, I get the name of _temporary_ file (like:
L 21c414d2.jpg), right? And it always differs.
L Why is that for? Couldn't it be "normal"?
The viewer extracts the binary data from the email into a temporary
file, which it then show. Thus, this behaviour is "normal".
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Re: Question: Backup-function
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 6:54:32 AM, Alexander wrote: That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I can hardly believe that... It's a typical database practice. It enables you to un-delete deleted messages when necessary--until you compress the database (message base in TB's case). Please note that the "Purge all folders" command under the Folder menu does in fact compress the folders after purge (delete old messages). IOW, it's "Purge + Compress all folders". -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Question: Backup-function
Hi Alexander, 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages flagged as deleted and reclaims the space. AL That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in AL the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I AL can hardly believe that... You better do so :-) BTW, that was the reason for my initial question. A OS level backup will always save deleted messages too unless you do a compress before. Sorry for not beeing verbose enough. When I think about it: did somebody check how TB backup handles this? Are deleted messages still there after a restore? -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists writing without the moderator's hat on ;-) Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
On February 23, 2001, at 2:15:52 AM, Thomas Wrote: T 1. Is correct. This one just compresses. T 2. Is what SuyP meant. Should say: Folder/Purge and Compress All T Folders. Because that's what it does. Another example of the misleading and confusing syntax used by RITLabs, not unlike the "Hide items if not explicitly selected" used in the Address Book. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost several hundred messages, including many of my most important ones. Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them back? Thanks. Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New Browser window (shift double-click)
Hello SyP, Sorry to hear that you're having the problem too, but it's somehow comforting to know that I'm not the only one. I don't think I mentioned in my earlier message, but my OS is Win95b. If you come up with a solution, please let me know what it is. Best regards, Dave Friday, February 23, 2001, 3:47:29 AM, you wrote: S Hi all, S Ryan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It works with me, I'm using Windows 2000 PRO with IE 5.0. Maybe netscape is messed up some how. S Dave wrote: assuming the browser is already running. I understand that shift-double-clicking a URL should do that, but it doesn't work for me. I'm using Netscape 4.76 as my default browser. S Same problem in my system. S I'm using TB 1.49, Netscape 4.76 on Win2K. S Bye: SyP -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Storing of Account Information
On Tuesday, February 20, 2001, 9:50:04 PM, Thomas wrote: PC I am trying to figure out where TB! stores information such as PC Account SMTP and POP servers. \batpath\Mail\accountname\account.cfg Of course, the info is encrypted, as it should be. No, it's not encrypted. account.cfg is not a plain text file, but that doesn't mean it's encrypted. Look at it with a hex editor (or any editor that can read non-plain text files) and you'll see much account information (server names and such). Fortunately, the password is encrypted. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
On Thursday, February 22, 2001, 7:34:34 PM, Dave wrote: I'm a relatively new user of TB v1.49. Here's my problem; when opening a URL from within TB I'd like to force it into a new browser window, assuming the browser is already running. If you're using Win2k, launch Explorer (not IE) and go to "Tools | Folder Options | File Types". Find a "File Type" called "HTML Document" (or by extension "htm" or "html"). Click on the "Advanced" button, and a list of available actions should come up. The one appears in bold is the default action. If the default action is "open", change it to "opennew" (click on it and click the "set default" button). See if that helps. Don't know if this trick works for Win98 or its likes. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Am I expelled?
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 6:56:16 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Indeed those messages eventually came, including my own post, though hours late. Some more reading and found several of my own posts are still missing. They are not on the archive, either, so they never made their ways to the list server, yet. The most probably culprit, as many of you have suggested (here or on TBOT), should be the broken backbone cable between a large part of Asia and Japan (and U.S.). I guess for the next few days or weeks we shouldn't be surprised to see posts (including mine) that are obviously out-of-date. I did some checking of those much delayed messages, and found all of them were delayed between dutaint.com (our mailing list server) and spij.co.id. Syafril has kindly checked his log for me and replied me privately. Due to the broken cable, his ISP's connection with Asia Gateway to US broke, and he had rerouted delivery through spij.co.id. So I gather the delayed delivery from dutaint.com to spij.co.id I observed wasn't really delay, but rescheduled delivery. Since I started it, I think I should clear our list server's name publicly. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Keith, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:20:32 -0700 GMT (24/02/2001, 01:20 +0800 GMT), Keith Russell wrote: KR I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, KR I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the KR folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost KR several hundred messages, including many of my most important KR ones. KR Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them back? First, try hitting esc in the message view. If this doesn't bring the messages back, try Folder / Browse deleted messages. Let us know what you see. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I intend to live forever - so far, so good Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Storing of Account Information
Hallo Ming-Li, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:26:16 -0800 GMT (24/02/2001, 01:26 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML No, it's not encrypted. account.cfg is not a plain text file, but ML that doesn't mean it's encrypted. Look at it with a hex editor (or ML any editor that can read non-plain text files) and you'll see much ML account information (server names and such). Fortunately, the ML password is encrypted. Thanks for pointing this out. I was thinking about the password but of course, the question was not what I answered. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Doctors use computers to create a three demential picture of a person's brain. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, On 23 February 2001 at 10:20:32 -0700 (which was 17:20 where I live) Keith Russell wrote and made these points: KR I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, KR I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the KR folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost KR several hundred messages, including many of my most important KR ones. KR Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them KR back? One way - provided that you haven't purged / compressed the folder, is to delete the .TBI file and start up TB letting it rebuild the index. Another is to "browse deleted messages". If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly they have been vaporised. I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder structure and filtering system. "Important" message should certainly be filtered to a safe place the moment they arrive. Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox. Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpaiaDnkJKuSnc2gEQJQhQCdGmO/JVgdAEyTk9Lk3Pjjz6UfY5AAoLJS A6jyYL/BS+4d9J5J4yuXUa6E =fBl4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Batbaby
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Re[2]: New Browser window (shift double-click)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ming-Li, You wrote on 2/23/2001, 6:22 PM: Ming-Li If you're using Win2k, launch Explorer (not IE) and go to "Tools | Ming-Li Folder Options | File Types". Ming-Li Find a "File Type" called "HTML Document" (or by extension "htm" or Ming-Li "html"). Click on the "Advanced" button, and a list of available Ming-Li actions should come up. The one appears in bold is the default Ming-Li action. If the default action is "open", change it to "opennew" Ming-Li (click on it and click the "set default" button). See if that helps. Ming-Li Don't know if this trick works for Win98 or its likes. Ah-ha! I only have Open, Print and PrintTo actions! Would you please tell how the OpenNew action looks like in your system? - -- Thanks, SyP Linux: the whole world made it for you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOpaXKtkgnrcJiuwTEQK+0ACgq6Yfuu5+VprZBxZVAX7GnezmTS8AoKsz sZWMmIA/WI8wk0alelFU2Ll4 =6zru -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Difference between
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski, You wrote on 12/29/2000, 2:55 PM: Jacek Is it? I have 2 different options: Jacek 1. Folder/Compress All folders Jacek 2. Folder/Purge All folders Yes it is. By the way, has your message gotten stuck in Hamster for two months?! Whoah. - -- Cheers, SyP Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient. It's called 'rain'. (Michael McClary, in alt.fusion) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOpaYjdkgnrcJiuwTEQLOiwCgngxqheaMa8cCSupQoqQAgFnTf0sAniEo kw93CepGzbLCfBj9LMqTzEqX =zSyM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:00:22 AM, SyP wrote:
Ming-Li If the default action is "open", change it to "opennew"
Ming-Li (click on it and click the "set default" button). See if
Ming-Li that helps.
Ah-ha!
I only have Open, Print and PrintTo actions! Would you please tell how
the OpenNew action looks like in your system?
Sure, but I'm afraid it won't be of much use to you. I'm using
IE5.5, and no Netscape is installed (still waiting for Mozilla 1.0).
The OpenNew action information is obviously put in by IE
installation, and is IE specific. In case it's of any use, here it
is:
Application used to perform action:
"F:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
Use DDE - checked
DDE message:
[ViewFolder("%l","%l",%S)] - including the square brackets
Application:
Folders
DDE Application not running:
(empty)
Topic:
AppProperties
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Re: Question: Backup-function
Hello Wolfgang, BTW, that was the reason for my initial question. A OS level backup will always save deleted messages too unless you do a compress before. Sorry for not beeing verbose enough. No problem. If I had known I would have understood :-) When I think about it: did somebody check how TB backup handles this? Are deleted messages still there after a restore? It looks like it is doing a purge+compress as the file is only about 10% of the size of an unpurged/uncompressed TB-installation-folder. But who knows... Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New Browser window (shift double-click)
Hello Mark, Unfortunately, the problem exists on my system for both plain text and html messages, regardless of whether or not html-auto-view is enabled. Another point is that the bookmark manager that I use, Compass v2.8, has no problems with forcing a url into a new browser window. This would seem to indicate that the problem lies more with TB's implementation of the 'new-browser' function than anywhere else (together with the fact that this function works in the TB/NS combo for some people, but not others). Best regards, Dave Friday, February 23, 2001, 2:51:36 AM, you wrote: MRH Dave, MRH Regarding your message dated: 23 February 2001... DB I'm a relatively new user of TB v1.49. Here's my problem; when opening a URL DB from within TB I'd like to force it into a new browser window, assuming the DB browser is already running. I understand that shift-double-clicking a URL DB should do that, but it doesn't work for me. I'm using Netscape 4.76 as my DB default browser. I had the same problem with TB 1.47 as well. MRH I notice that the shift-click to open a link in a new window works for MRH links highlighted in plain-text emails but not for those in HTML mails MRH that are read using the HTML Auto View option switched on. MRH I assume this is due to RIT not programming the HTML rendered in TB! MRH to do this function although they obviously added the function to the MRH plain-text interface. MRH Best wishes, MRH Mark -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Batbaby
On 2/23/2001 Thomas wrote T Hello TBUDL! T Stefan's son was borne yesterday. Son and mother are healthy. And the father??? -- Fred The Netherlands "Stop: Drive Sideways." -Detour sign in Kyushi, Japan -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New Browser window (shift double-click)
Maybe others, who are using NS under various versions of windows, can fill
in the gaps. I'd like to know how this can be applied to Win95b.
-Dave
Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:23:40 PM, you wrote:
ML On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:00:22 AM, SyP wrote:
Ming-Li If the default action is "open", change it to "opennew"
Ming-Li (click on it and click the "set default" button). See if
Ming-Li that helps.
Ah-ha!
I only have Open, Print and PrintTo actions! Would you please tell how
the OpenNew action looks like in your system?
ML Sure, but I'm afraid it won't be of much use to you. I'm using
ML IE5.5, and no Netscape is installed (still waiting for Mozilla 1.0).
ML The OpenNew action information is obviously put in by IE
ML installation, and is IE specific. In case it's of any use, here it
ML is:
ML Application used to perform action:
ML "F:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
ML Use DDE - checked
ML DDE message:
ML [ViewFolder("%l","%l",%S)] - including the square brackets
ML Application:
ML Folders
ML DDE Application not running:
ML (empty)
ML Topic:
ML AppProperties
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Copying or moving messages
Hello All, In a folder I have 904 messages. When I tried to copy all messages to another folder, only 206 are copied. Same thing when I tried to move them all to another folder (select all messagesand from Message menu / Copy to folder) only some are moved. I had to repeat the action several times to move all messages. Is there a reason for this? I have the Bat! V1.49. -- Best regards, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Batbaby
Hallo Fred, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:55:32 +0100 GMT (24/02/2001, 02:55 +0800 GMT), Fred van Veen wrote: T Stefan's son was borne yesterday. Son and mother are healthy. FvV And the father??? Healthy and proud, I assume. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In a Yugoslavian hotel: The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the chambermaid. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New Browser window (shift double-click)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ming-Li, You wrote on 2/23/2001, 7:23 PM: I only have Open, Print and PrintTo actions! Would you please tell how the OpenNew action looks like in your system? Ming-Li Sure, but I'm afraid it won't be of much use to you. I'm Ming-Li using IE5.5, and no Netscape is installed (still waiting for Ming-Li Mozilla 1.0). The OpenNew action information is obviously put Ming-Li in by IE installation, and is IE specific. In case it's of Ming-Li any use, here it is: Thank you Ming-Li. I somehow doubt these options would work with Navigator. If there is anybody out there with Netscape as default browser, and a working "Open in new window" setup, please come forward! Thx in advance. - -- Cheers, SyP All computers wait at the same speed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOpanStkgnrcJiuwTEQK9kwCfZTtm4cyYQbsbIhR8/v9MeGWFxCgAniJX 7TkIjJF5vkidkOsJf8djfIoA =Jfb1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat on second hard drive?
Hello List, I have an interesting question for this list. I'm about to buy a new computer - I've reached the point where I really need Windows 2000 but my current computer isn't powerful enough to reliably run W2K. Anyway, what I was hoping to do was to pull my current hard drive out of my current computer and put it in as a secondary (slave) drive in the new computer. That way I wouldn't have to go through the headache of copying over all my files and programs, I could just run them off the second disk. However, I've noticed that The Bat puts an awful lot of stuff in the system registry. I'm not an expert on how the registry works, so I'm wondering, if I do what I'm planning to do, with The Bat still work the same way it always has, or will I end up having to re-install it to get it to work on the new system? Thanks, Jason -- Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat on second hard drive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jason! On Friday, February 23, 2001 at 9:11:38 PM you wrote: However, I've noticed that The Bat puts an awful lot of stuff in the system registry. I'm not an expert on how the registry works, so I'm wondering, if I do what I'm planning to do, with The Bat still work the same way it always has, or will I end up having to re-install it to get it to work on the new system? I'd like to say "Use the backup function. To be on the safe side copy the registry part for Ritlabs, and everything should be right." As I said, I like to say (write!) it. As always there is a big *but*. The registry of Win2k is not the same format as on Win9x. They are incompatible. So to save your account and folder settings the usual backup of TB's files should help. For the registry settings ... no clue. I hope someone can show us an easy way to migrate. BTW, this is one of the problems that stir me away from Win2k leaving me with Win95. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If all men acted from enlightened self interest, the world would be a paradise in comparison to what it is. (Bertrand Russell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpa5NvTo1oA8g8dLEQLXYgCfVbwNMyzglYSAvWq+TATnwIHjJ5AAn1ph dHl6SFeMBD67LpsVfH7skxpy =gGo9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat on second hard drive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jason, On 23 February 2001 at 15:11:38 -0500 (which was 20:11 where I live) Jason Ellis wrote and made these points: JE However, I've noticed that The Bat puts an awful lot of stuff in JE the system registry. I'm not an expert on how the registry works, JE so I'm wondering, if I do what I'm planning to do, with The Bat JE still work the same way it always has, or will I end up having to JE re-install it to get it to work on the new system? As long as the operating systems are the same then you can use this manual procedure for moving the TB registry data: 1. Open up a command prompt window. You will see that you are in a folder. Possible C:\ (the root of the C: drive). 2. Enter the following command: regedit /e thebat.reg "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!" 3. You will now have the thebat.reg file in the current directory. Copy this to the new machine. 4. If the new TB installation is on a different drive / path on the new machine, then you will have to manually edit the .reg file before use and replace the old 'drive:\path' references with those of the new location. You can use NotePad to do this. 5. Use Explorer to locate and launch this file by double clicking it. That will load the information from the .reg file into the registry on the new computer. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpbJCznkJKuSnc2gEQJK+QCfeYyCUNTuWXKM8P9XTCoUZAzy1xsAoP4J A8NV8n/0MTjZYQjeuTBPtioi =uTI2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Batbaby
On 2/23/2001 Thomas wrote T Hallo Fred, T On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:55:32 +0100 GMT (24/02/2001, 02:55 +0800 GMT), T Fred van Veen wrote: T Stefan's son was borne yesterday. Son and mother are healthy. FvV And the father??? T Healthy and proud, I assume. :-) Is this his first child? Or version 2.0??? -- Fred The Netherlands I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message... -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hi Marck, ... MDP Another is to "browse deleted messages". Maybe I miss the obvious, but is there a way to undelete a message except copying it to another folder? -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists writing without the moderator's hat on ;-) Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Downloading the whole archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi jlaikan, On 23 February 2001 at 00:30:03 +0400 (which was 20:30 where I live) jlaikan wrote and made these points: j Being new to this mailing list, I would like to download this whole j archive to "study" the Bat! off connection. Is there a way to do so? I j also have WebZip (Offline browser). The archive is a public free-access facility and not under our control. See http://www.mail-archive.com/about.html for specifics. I have just zipped a Unix format export of the traffic since last March and, as a zip file, it's 2mb. You want? It's here: http://www.silverstones.com/tbudl.zip - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpbN7TnkJKuSnc2gEQJsfwCbB8nqoRSHrZw4kz2dU7wDg+/lZ1kAn1yl pm0kms/zAiwkfdvrgGd8sIoG =T20M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat on second hard drive?
Hi, Dierk: DH As always there is a big *but*. The registry of Win2k is not the DH same format as on Win9x. They are incompatible. Actually, I transferred my TB! setup from a Win98SE machine to the current Win2K machine about six months ago. I experimented with moving the registry entries from one machine to the other and back, and empirically it appears you can move from Win9x to Win2K, but not in the other direction. -- == Michael Hahnhttp://home.att.net/~michael.hahn/ -- Using TB! 1.49c on Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) == -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat on second hard drive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Michael! On Friday, February 23, 2001 at 10:07:55 PM you wrote: Actually, I transferred my TB! setup from a Win98SE machine to the current Win2K machine about six months ago. I experimented with moving the registry entries from one machine to the other and back, and empirically it appears you can move from Win9x to Win2K, but not in the other direction. Nice to read. Especially since I don't have much confidence in the connection of MS and "compatibility". Well, if there were not other inhibiting factors (like standard hardware which has no drivers under Win2k) I'd like to change my OS for Win2k. Actually I'd like to change to something better but a lot of my programmes (incl. TB!) is Win32 only, at least in the moment. Such is life. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. (Ambrose Bierce) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpbF2/To1oA8g8dLEQJRGgCfcHAkbjscX2tidK9nDgNY6cStPiUAoJ2y YiMwMAd26ottJdyHTh+2+ZMX =WmT0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Downloading the whole archive
Hello Marck, Saturday, February 24, 2001, 12:54:05 AM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi jlaikan, MDP On 23 February 2001 at 00:30:03 +0400 (which was 20:30 where I live) MDP jlaikan wrote and made these points: j Being new to this mailing list, I would like to download this whole j archive to "study" the Bat! off connection. Is there a way to do so? I j also have WebZip (Offline browser). MDP The archive is a public free-access facility and not under our MDP control. See http://www.mail-archive.com/about.html for specifics. I MDP have just zipped a Unix format export of the traffic since last March MDP and, as a zip file, it's 2mb. You want? It's here: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/tbudl.zip Yes, I would be very pleased to download it, many other members also I think.However I browsed your website but cannot find the above link. -- Best regards, jlaikanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Downloading the whole archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On 23 February 2001 at 01:56:25 +0400 (which was 21:56 where I live) jlaikan wrote and made these points: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/tbudl.zip j Yes, I would be very pleased to download it, many other members j also I think. Yes, that's why I put it up there instead of offering to send it. j However I browsed your website but cannot find the above link. You won't find it by browsing. Just double-click that very link. It's a hidden file. It should just start to download directly. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpbh9DnkJKuSnc2gEQJArwCcDM9cRyskhgwvnro/uxDcKLGqp/sAnior NBpkicJtmIiCpJ8sdMypVly6 =cf6s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello SyP, you wrote: [...] By the way, has your message gotten stuck in Hamster for two months?! Whoah. Well, I have no idea what happened... I am sure it was not in mail.out folder... maybe it was travelling for a long time? ;-) Strange, very strange thing happen to me :) regards, -- /\_/\ *kocurek* . (~o o~) Jacek Wojaczyñski : St³ucz se pan termometr, to )'Y'( ICQ UIN: #32693721| nie bêdziesz mia³ gor±czki. ( )| (L. Wa³êsa) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
Hello Dierk, you wrote: What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the wishlist? Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should do it every time you close TB!, Yep. I know that. The only problem is I hardly ever close TB! :) regards, -- /\_/\ *kocurek* . (~o o~) Jacek Wojaczyñski : "Zaj±c l u b i buraczki" - )'Y'( ICQ UIN: #32693721| takie jest zdanie kucharza... ( )| (Stanis³aw Lec) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to select another eMail address
Hello Jan, you wrote: Can't you copy the AB entry, paste it just change the eMail address instead of re-entering all the data? How? I just tried to (copy paste) and nothing happend. A duplicate entry was not created. Any ideas? regards, -- /\_/\ *kocurek* . (~o o~) Jacek Wojaczyñski : Niedobrze *wierzyæ* w )'Y'( ICQ UIN: #32693721| cz³owieka, lepiej byæ go ( )| pewnym. (Stanis³aw Lec) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jacek, On 23 February 2001 at 22:15:34 +0100 (which was 21:15 where I live) Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski wrote and made these points: By the way, has your message gotten stuck in Hamster for two months?! Whoah. JkW Well, I have no idea what happened... I have ;-). JkW I am sure it was not in mail.out folder... maybe it was JkW travelling for a long time? ;-) Strange, very strange thing JkW happen to me :) - From the headers (reversed): Received: from default (pa224.bydgoszcz.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.48.224]) by biology.pl (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13014 ^^ got it from you V for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:11:37 +0100 Received: from biology.pl by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0i.R) ^^ finally decided to send it on VVV for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:04:52 +0700 So biology.pl (wherever that computer may be) is the culprit for the late delivery :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpbuCznkJKuSnc2gEQIZnQCgm2f2kG9aPdPtDUhOxLKUx75saV0AoKZF 9273aZCZEH0eElEZXxlXYQsV =k/fK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat on second hard drive?
Saturday, February 24, 2001, 5:25:41 AM, Dierk wrote: However, I've noticed that The Bat puts an awful lot of stuff in the system registry. I'm not an expert on how the registry works, so I'm wondering, if I do what I'm planning to do, with The Bat still work the same way it always has, or will I end up having to re-install it to get it to work on the new system? DH BTW, this is one of the problems that stir me away from Win2k leaving DH me with Win95. I have not tried this with TB!, but I've done it successfully with *many* different programs (migrating from Win to NT or 2000), and it's never failed me yet. 1) Make a complete copy of your TB! installation as is. 2) Install TB! on your new system fresh. 3) Go to the TB! installation folder on your new system and nuke everything except the root folder itself. Ignore any and all error messages or warnings. 4) Now copy everything from your old installation into the new installation folder. I would guess this gives you correct registry information (from the new install), and all your old e-mail and folder hierarchy from your old installation. As I say, I've yet to try this with TB!, so I don't know if there is anything unusual about TB! that would foil this, but I suspect not. Anyone else? Not too much additional work, really. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Yuki, On 23 February 2001 at 08:09:27 +0900 (which was 23:09 where I live) Yuki Taga wrote and made these points: MDP I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder MDP structure and filtering system... YT To me, this begs a rather obvious question: Why on earth would the YT Inbox, apparently a folder like any other folder, with the YT difference the TB! begins by putting all new mail there, be any YT less "safe" (your word) than any other folder in the hierarchy? Well, I wouldn't leave my valuables in the middle of the main thoroughfare. The folder is being expanded and compressed on a continual basis and *nothing* is perfect in Windoze. One OS glitch and the folder is toast. YT It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the YT Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right YT *now*. Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure aren't going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being lost have revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze of some sort. YT And you didn't really elaborate on "good folder structure" very YT much, only apparently suggesting to filter everything out of the YT Inbox immediately. For example, what would a "bad" folder YT structure look like? LOL :-) I make no judgement calls. Each to their own here, so long as the Inbox is uncluttered. I have hundreds of folders in a cascade up to about five deep. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpb0SjnkJKuSnc2gEQKBIACglJ8518vUo+qNSx4e+CBfilIJifQAoKJB gCa77jtpEeHAYrqdzdbbop2+ =mr2H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:37:46 +, Marck wrote these comments: MDP Well, I wouldn't leave my valuables in the middle of the main MDP thoroughfare. The folder is being expanded and compressed on a MDP continual basis and *nothing* is perfect in Windoze. One OS MDP glitch and the folder is toast. chuckle I have to agree on that. YT It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the YT Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right YT *now*. MDP Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure MDP aren't going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being MDP lost have revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze MDP of some sort. A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. - -- - Allie - ~~~ A. Curtis Martin|List Moderator (PGP Key ID: 0x2B0717E2)|(TBUDL|TBBETA|TBTECH) The Bat! v1.49c | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) ** Opinions given are mine and not necessarily those of RITLABS ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Signed for sender and message verification. iQA/AwUBOpb21VfJ62ArBxfiEQLNtgCcCbNOrLCcI/DzWpg/bkwTJ38fBTIAoL2+ onJHwT8wRnVKh3clX0qW7eZE =oDA5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: The Bat on second hard drive?
Hi Yuki, 24 February 2001, Yuki Taga wrote: YT Saturday, February 24, 2001, 5:25:41 AM, Dierk wrote: However, I've noticed that The Bat puts an awful lot of stuff in the system registry. I'm not an expert on how the registry works, so I'm wondering, if I do what I'm planning to do, with The Bat still work the same way it always has, or will I end up having to re-install it to get it to work on the new system? See below: DH BTW, this is one of the problems that stir me away from Win2k leaving DH me with Win95. YT I have not tried this with TB!, but I've done it successfully with *many* YT different programs (migrating from Win to NT or 2000), and it's never YT failed me yet. YT 1) Make a complete copy of your TB! installation as is. YT 2) Install TB! on your new system fresh. YT 3) Go to the TB! installation folder on your new system and nuke everything YT except the root folder itself. Ignore any and all error messages or YT warnings. The installation folder and the Mail folder are two quite different things. YT 4) Now copy everything from your old installation into the new installation YT folder. I would guess this gives you correct registry information (from YT the new install), and all your old e-mail and folder hierarchy from your YT old installation. But you need the old entries for The Bat! to work the same as it did before. Otherwise you need to re-configure lots of stuff. Only the paths to the mail folders etc. may need to be changed, but this is quite simple to do - see below. YT As I say, I've yet to try this with TB!, so I don't know if there is YT anything unusual about TB! that would foil this, but I suspect not. Anyone YT else? Not too much additional work, really. I have moved my mail from machine to machine and disk to disk (and path to path) many times, without problems. I have about 600 Mb of compressed mail comprising about 75000 mails in multiple accounts dating back many years. It doesn't seem to matter the source or destination Windows version. (98-2K; 2K-ME etc.) This is how I do it. 1) I use regedit to export HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT to a .reg file, called (e.g.) thebat.reg which I save (e.g.) in the root of the mail folder 2) If moving the mail to a new machine I install The Bat on the it, first. 3) I copy my entire mail folder to the new location. If that's the same as the one The Bat Setup creates, I just overwrite it. 4) I edit thebat.reg in the new location with notepad, using the Replace feature, to change all references to the previous path of the Mail folder (also the installation folder, attachments folder etc.) to the relevant new path (if they are different, of course). 5) I double-click the thebat.reg in Windows Explorer, thus overwriting all default registry settings with the ones from the other machine/drive/path (path values, suitably edited). Running The Bat in the new location looks and behaves exactly like the old one. N.B. I don't use Account-specific Network settings and I have a permanent connection. If you are using automatic Dial-up and moving from machine to machine, you may have to tweak these setting after doing this, because Dial-up devices may be different on a different machine. BTW: I also run The Bat on my laptop, simultaneously, by doing the same as the above, but switching off the Delete on Server option in all accounts. The mail is still also received by my main desktop machine, which has Delete on Server after 14 days set for all accounts. This way, I can receive send mails from the laptop. I have to Bcc all mails to myself, of course, or I wouldn't have copies of mail I sent from the laptop, on the main machine. If I need, any time, I can delete the encrypted drive containing the mail, on the laptop, make a new encrypted drive mapping start again, to keep them in sync. - without any risk of losing mails, which are stored on (and backed up from) the main machine. Works for me :-) But I can't guarantee there no features, that I don't use, which may get screwed up, using the above process. All the best, Ray mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hi Allie, @ 6:48:37 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past after a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is something to worry about? I don't think I've defragged my hard disk since I've installed TB!, but I do compress on every exit. As a matter of fact, soon after my father installed TB! his computer wouldn't boot one morning, and I had go over and reinstall Windows. It turns out, he regularly runs scandisk and defrag. I have no earthly idea if this was directly related to TB! and folder compression. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.49e, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Batbaby
Hello Fred, T Stefan's son was borne yesterday. Son and mother are healthy. So I guess the boy will never be able to say, "I wasn't born yesterday," eh? Congratualtions to Stefan and wife and baby, too. -- Quin Best regards, Quinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson --- Using The Bat! 1.49d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium 133 with 88MB RAM. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Brian, On 24 February 2001 at 20:04:18 -0500 (which was 01:04 where I live) Brian Clark wrote and made these points: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past BC after a disk defrag. snip BC I have no earthly idea if this was directly related to TB! and BC folder compression. Here's a software engineering take on the issue. Compressing the folders is a matter or reading a flat data file and rewriting it omitting data flagged as no longer required. It's a simple software engineering feat. No "great mysteries" there. No need to get "flash" with the OS to make it happen. No inherent problem AFAIAC. Such an operation *is* going to result in a fragmented file system however. Nothing extraordinary, just run of the mill, standard operation stuff and not exactly an unexpected side-effect. If the OS defrag routines subsequently choke on a defrag, whose fault is it? Where is the remedy? What is the circumstance? While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference. I have to be skeptical of a defrag being done when the OS (esp. Win9x) has been "up" for a while. These are operating systems whose stability decreases the longer they run for. I must say that this isn't quite as true of NT/2k. Nevertheless, I know which kind of operation is going to be inherently more stable between TB's folder compression and an OS defragmentation. Clue: it's not the defrag ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpcPXTnkJKuSnc2gEQIlMACdFksIkEn4vcraPNPH343EijUntc4An2Zf D+wbZbNQ2KPLVxMTZA92AVYu =F9/0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to select another eMail address
On February 23, 2001, at 1:40:21 PM, Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski Wrote: JkW How? I just tried to (copy paste) and nothing happend. A duplicate JkW entry was not created. Any ideas? I'd be interested to know as well, because despite my efforts I was never able to do that. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to select another eMail address
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 24 February 2001 at 17:33:35 -0800 (which was 01:33 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points: JkW How? I just tried to (copy paste) and nothing happend. A duplicate JkW entry was not created. Any ideas? NA I'd be interested to know as well, because despite my efforts I was NA never able to do that. :o( I answered this one but don't see the post coming round. I'll answer again: Yes - this is a quirky one. Copy it. Change the entry that's still there *then* paste the copy to reinstate the original version. The Address book won't let you paste a duplicate entry. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpcUUTnkJKuSnc2gEQIYDACcDELK4OKr5gniPqzZY1wMCfdSi0oAoLMg 8ImzYMJxda1CwnpWgtyMKbNM =F9sx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hi Marck, @ 8:33:17 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a software engineering take on the issue. [...] While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference. I'm not known to regularly defrag my hard disk. :) I think I've done it 3 times in 2 years or so, maybe longer. I'd rather leave that sort of thing alone. It seems like in the past, when I tried to do more house-cleaning, it did more harm that good (or so it seemed). I didn't mean to sound like I was terribly worried that TB! would trash the Operating System -- I'm far more worried about losing any archived mail. I do, however, backup all of my mail every other day, and as of a week ago I feel pretty prepared, should the worst happen. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.49e, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving Messages - A btt off topic
Hi Ron, @ 6:24:19 AM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a Windows program which generates searchable, html-based message archive of e-mail messages. This is quite a step up, but if you needed something hefty, you could *try* MHonArc. http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/MHonArc/doc/faq/envs.html#platforms Under windows, you're probably going to need to install Active State's Perl distribution (which has a graphical installer now, I believe). http://www.activestate.com That may be a whole lot of trouble just for a simple mail archive though. :) -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.49e, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Friday, February 23, 2001, 9:13:09 PM, you wrote: BC I'm not known to regularly defrag my hard disk. :) I think I've done BC it 3 times in 2 years or so, maybe longer. I'd rather leave that sort BC of thing alone. It seems like in the past, when I tried to do more BC house-cleaning, it did more harm that good (or so it seemed). BC I didn't mean to sound like I was terribly worried that TB! would BC trash the Operating System -- I'm far more worried about losing any BC archived mail. I do, however, backup all of my mail every other day, BC and as of a week ago I feel pretty prepared, should the worst happen. I've seen some third-party disk tools ( esp Norton Utilities) do some major damage. However I use w2k'2 defrag before I do my weekly drive backup and have never had a glitch. -- Benmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Spam filters
Hi, I was wondering how some of you setup your spam filters. Examples would be great! --Mike -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Saturday, February 24, 2001, 10:04:18 AM, Brian wrote: BC Hi Allie, BC @ 6:48:37 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past after BC a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is something to worry BC about? I don't think I've defragged my hard disk since I've installed BC TB!, but I do compress on every exit. I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress problems are OS or program related. I use Agent, and purge and compact after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and I've *never* had a problem with the database. So I'm wondering if such problems can be honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS. Just curious. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: .EML Files?
Hallo Michael, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:31:30 -0700 GMT (24/02/2001, 11:31 +0800 GMT), Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: MSG Files with the extension .eml are not associated with The Bat! Do you MSG wish to associate those files with The Bat!? MSG What are EML files? They are the same as .msb files. Message files. You will often receive them as attachemnts when someone MIME-forwards you other people's messages. You can safely answer Yes, then TB can open them and you can read them. Nothing inherently dangerous (basically text files). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When the radio mentions a landslide, cross your fingers and hope it is talking about an election. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spam filters
Hallo Michael, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:03:10 -0600 GMT (24/02/2001, 11:03 +0800 GMT), Michael Clark wrote: MC Hi, I was wondering how some of you setup your spam filters. Examples MC would be great! Isn't this in the FAQ by now? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't sweat petty thingsor pet sweaty things. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A backing-up story
Hallo K, On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:11:13 +1000 GMT (24/02/2001, 12:11 +0800 GMT), K wrote: K When I am done I rename the ZIP as the today's date and store it. K The REALLY big plus to this method is that when restoring or even just K wanting to know what's in there, it's just a snap, no need to start K TB! and fool around with restore-functions or similar, just "get right K to it". Thanks for sharing this. Actually, I do the same thing, also with Windows Commander. However, I do one step before zipping it all: I back up the Rit registry key and also put it into the same zip file. Oh, BTW, In WinCommander, you can just highlight the TB directory and then click File / Pack. That's what I do, I indisciminately zip the whole directory. It will create a new zip file with today's date, so you don't have to worry about that. But this is getting OT. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On February 23, 2001, at 8:07:03 PM, Yuki Taga Wrote: YT I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress YT problems are OS or program related. I use Agent, and purge and YT compact after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and YT I've *never* had a problem with the database. So I'm wondering if YT such problems can be honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS. Just YT curious. I would like to add that I do *weekly* (twice weekly at times) maintenance consisting of Scandisk followed by a complete Defrag, and have never had a problem with TB! Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOpdhLcUChHR7o/3OEQIGVACgkwAg7jCtThTGh5mj8cpz/54VylMAoNGV gNU7dDZm+dPO+Y+Dmxb4e4fJ =H3Ve -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Batbaby
Hallo Fred, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:37:23 +0100 GMT (24/02/2001, 04:37 +0800 GMT), Fred van Veen wrote: T Stefan's son was borne yesterday. Son and mother are healthy. FvV And the father??? T Healthy and proud, I assume. :-) FvV Is this his first child? Or version 2.0??? First child AFAIK. There was a rumour that his name will be Veetwo, that's but that's unfounded. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "Dear Teacher: Please excuse my daughter's absence for the past week, as she had a case of the fool." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Marck, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:37:46 + GMT (24/02/2001, 07:37 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: YT To me, this begs a rather obvious question: Why on earth would the YT Inbox, apparently a folder like any other folder, with the YT difference the TB! begins by putting all new mail there, be any YT less "safe" (your word) than any other folder in the hierarchy? MDP Well, I wouldn't leave my valuables in the middle of the main MDP thoroughfare. The folder is being expanded and compressed on a MDP continual basis and *nothing* is perfect in Windoze. One OS glitch and MDP the folder is toast. Technically you mgith be right, but I have never seen this happen: the inbox being less safe than any other folder. I always have a couple hundred to a couple of throusand messages in the inbox. It's for those senders that do not warrant their own folder. When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder, because it annoys me that incoming and outgoing messages are in seperate folders, this being the major reason. Everyone has another way of dealing with their inbox. There is certainly no fixed rule. ;-) MDP LOL :-) I make no judgement calls. Each to their own here, so long as MDP the Inbox is uncluttered. I have hundreds of folders in a cascade up MDP to about five deep. See, and I don't like to have hundreds of folders, much less five feet deep. As I said, it's a matter of taste. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In a Bangkok dry cleaner's: Drop your trousers here for best results. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Marck, On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:33:17 + GMT (24/02/2001, 09:33 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past BC after a disk defrag. I compress my folders every couple of days. I defrag my HD's about once a month. I have never had any problems after a defrag. Just for the record. MDP Here's a software engineering take on the issue. MDP While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I MDP wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the MDP system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference. Correct. About once a month here, as I donwload, install, uninstall, delete etc a lot. Folder compression gives me over 1MB each time. I like to have my files defragged, as I do notice a performance slow-down (I have a speed of a mere 366MHz to search through 2GB of of a not-too-fast Maxtor), and fragmented files are not as "neat" (from a German perspective of having every "neat and clean" all the time - my mother taught me well), and also, I think I read that file reading/writing errors are more likely on fragmented files than on those that are not. MDP I have to be skeptical of a defrag being done when the OS (esp. Win9x) MDP has been "up" for a while. On this I agree. Before defrag, reboot, and then close all apps that run in the background (SETI@Home, anitivirus, firewall, of course any internet connections, internat.exe, PGP Tray, etc) and let Defarg do it's thing without interference. I guess if anybody has had problems after a defrag, there might have been a program running in the background, and hey, this is Windows, so don't believe that seperate threads are always seperate threads. MDP These are operating systems whose stability decreases the longer MDP they run for. I must say that this isn't quite as true of NT/2k. It definitely is for C-Win98. MDP Nevertheless, I know which kind of operation is going to be MDP inherently more stable between TB's folder compression and an OS MDP defragmentation. Clue: it's not the defrag ;-). Then it must be SETI@Home. Crashes less often than windows. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
