Re: splash screen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:41:18 AM you wrote: :-) You did. Change your TB shortcut to use the /NOLOGO command line parameter and that will disable the splash screen. Since this is only possible for shortcuts (Start menu, Desktop link), I'd really like to see an option under Preferences. Nearly all other programmes under Win9x have this. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Assumptions are the mother of all screw ups. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1fAtfTo1oA8g8dLEQIxGACfULFWxKbQE+xxYpFosqwhhZmyMcEAoMyq WEc7+rmG5w+zieeyjNj5yKBS =k466 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Andrew! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 1:31:46 AM you wrote: It's strange though - the NAV helpfile says that NAV should support Any other POP3 email client, including many shareware clients as long as they are configured manually - and I know I am configuring NAV properly. What would you tell a potential customer Don't buy me, I'm a bad product, not at all secure and don't ask for compatibility?* For about a year I used NAV and had more problems than if I got myself a virus. The main problem was its performance and the resources it hogs. Another one was that its e-mail checking wasn't very good. It may be easy to use (I doubt it, having installed F-Secure, which performs and handles much better in every respect), but its scanning is only mediocre. *That should actually be an ad for W2K ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Credulity is the man's weakness, but the child's strength. (Charles Lamb) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1fARvTo1oA8g8dLEQJmYACg8+LbP5NBOSa7yj17GRLtif0RtvgAnj09 5fRh5UWoRyT+0cN/DzLIfE6v =Jksj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: IMAP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Rob! On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 10:57:02 PM you wrote: TB's implementation of IMAP works just like POP3 ... it does not connect to an IMAP server like Outlook does and lets you work on the remote server ; it insists on retrieving your mail and storing it locally, which kind of defeats the idea behind IMAP (imho). Not as long as it leaves the messages on the server, which IMHO is the idea behind IMAP. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Is everyone in the world corrupt?! I don't know everyone. (Billy Wilder) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1e74fTo1oA8g8dLEQJeSgCdEsYj7DE+JECYVB8hyIUvMVnRYCwAoIrQ ocdwPMoAexXjBnePOjVRpi0k =dLvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Karin! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 3:58:30 AM you wrote: Yes. Go to your account properties, under the File Directories menu, and cross Bind attachments only while sending out mail. Done! Beware, beware! I did it like that for months till I noticed that deleting the attachment from the mail - either by hand or through automatic trashing - you *lose the actual file*. It created a very embarrassing situation with a TV studio I sent a treatment to and have to ask for a copy after realising that TB! had deleted the original file. So, I'm back to TB!'s default and once in a while a little hand job. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1e9HPTo1oA8g8dLEQJfJACgyGCdjbwaeozS22fiVDGVR+TUSC0An2ev uCIb2zXTZQ+XfnNaz0urrCip =/dCK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Quotestyle (was: TXT import)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mars! On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 7:49:03 PM you wrote: Hello Mars! On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 1:49:22 PM you wrote: Is it possible to make Eudora use a quote prefix without a blank before it? I can't remember exactly, but I think so ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1e7A/To1oA8g8dLEQJzrwCgx1lAQ2KJ5zR6zlEdlt6HwEx+HO4An2qD P92sGkproquzYfdx9kxUXXab =6zOv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49 (was: can't print)
Hello Karin, Thursday, July 19, 2001, 6:59:44 PM, you wrote: Karin On 19-07-2001 at 11:15, Richard Stephens kindly wrote: OK, my friend, here is the story: (..) I discovered that when I tried to scroll through my messages it got stuck on some of them and would not display. I would click on the message on the upper part of the screen and on the lower part, it displayed a former message. It happened on just some messages but not all. The strange thing is that it happened on different messages from the same person. Some would open and some would not. Karin Can you discern any common trait between those messages? For Karin me, it *only* hapens on my laptop, and *only* with html Karin mail. TB will not display them; and when I attempt to reply Karin to such a message, I get a completely blank mail with only Karin me as the sender filled in. On occasion, TB will even hang Karin on attempting to open such a message and then I need the Karin Taskmanager to close it. I looked like crazy trying to find some common trait in the messages TB chose to not display or open but there was nothing that I could see. Some were html, some were not, some had attachments, some did not, some had URL references, some did not, and so on and on. Plus the fact that by closing TB and then reopening it, I could see the unopenable mail makes me suspicious. Add to that the fact that this is happening to others, the only conclusion that I can come to is that there is an unidentifiable bug running in the new versions that is causing conflicts on some machines. Maybe someday they will discover it and I can have a fulling operative program... But I am just mumbling not really complaining bitterly.. TB continues to be the greatest mail program I know. Best regards Un saludo de Richard www.wine-from-spain.com www.lagamella.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: IMAP?
Hello Dierk, On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 8:04:32 AM you wrote: DH leaves the messages on the server, Is (as you surely know) possible with pure POP3 too DH which IMHO is the idea behind IMAP. Sorry, it ain't this simple :-( As said above: POP3 is able to do so too, so this criteria would make IMAP4 senseless. The principle idea behind IMAP is the client only fetches headers it does not have yet local, the user decides what message he/she wants to read, the client (MUA) fetches the message. Storing locally is a thing of bandwidth friendly behavior and Why sould the user wait for messages he already had downloaded?. It is not what IMAP is intend to be. All actions on mails (except opening attachments, of course) should be done on server side, means: - filtering / moving /copying them into other folders: done at server side - deletion: not local-(at next connect:) server, but delete from server and sync local folders with the actual online folders. So in this PoV TB! has very much to 'learn' but nobody ever said IMAP implementation in TB! is one of the best, I've ever read it's some kind of still experimental / does not support very much IMAP functionality. So all in all Rob is right if he sais: TB's implementation of IMAP works just like POP3, but I (and many others too *G*) hope this will become better one day :-) So far -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 [WindowsME]) He was very intelligent and all, but you could tell he didn't have too much brains. (Salinger) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wierd
Hello Gergely, On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 1:20:15 AM you wrote (at least in part): GV My sorting office is empty. As I said, it's an almost 100% default GV configuration of TB. If I can recreate this, we have a huge bug GV here... There's still one question left: presume it's a bug: wherefrom TB! know the e-mail-address it send the copy to? I can't imagine there's just the Hotmail-address your friend uses 'hard coded' into TB! :-) So there _have to be_ a point in your mail configuration that generates this copy with _exactly_ the hotmail address receiving them. Are you using a kind of local mail server that pop your mailbox in outer space and stores them local, so you could fetch them from there? Are you _100%_ sure there is _absolutely NO_ filter / rule in your sorting office, even not in 'read messages'? Does this friend of you receive a copy of _EVERY SINGLE_ mail you receive? Or just some? Maybe there's a Disposition-Notification-To Header or a Return-Receipt-To Header in some mails you receive that point (for what reasons ever) to the hotmail account? I don't belive there's a bug in TB! that causes this situation, additionally have a look in your sent folder if the mails your friend receives are stored there, that might be a hint it's _really TB!_ sending them. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53l on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Oh no, no no no no! Not a woman! Not high heels! Not again! (Sam, M.I.A.) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
On Friday, July 20, 2001, 08:09:47, Dierk Haasis wrote: Beware, beware! I did it like that for months till I noticed that deleting the attachment from the mail - either by hand or through automatic trashing - you *lose the actual file*. Isn't that worth a bug report? I find TBs habit of accumulating copies of attached files really annoying aswell, so I'd appreciate it handling atachments like other mail programs (take Eudora for example). So, I'm back to TB!'s default and once in a while a little hand job. Interesting, but does this belong on this list? ;-) Roman -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: splash screen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 20 July 2001 at 08:25:07 +0200 (which was 07:25 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: :-) You did. Change your TB shortcut to use the /NOLOGO command line parameter and that will disable the splash screen. DH Since this is only possible for shortcuts (Start menu, Desktop link), DH I'd really like to see an option under Preferences. Nearly all other DH programmes under Win9x have this. A very good point. Then again, the splash screen does only ever appear when you start the program. How else do you start the program than from a shortcut? I rarely open the explorer, find an executable and run it raw shrug. The only argument is that more technical knowledge is needed to modify a shortcut than to flick an option switch... - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53l/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7WAl8OeQkq5KdzaARAtr2AKCdLJ7GR8j1AHcloO5w0ZU0ZRiOOACeIFCz fwj3DXMnVUWXIYxNTE9lJXs= =MGwJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: IMAP?
hi Peter, TB's implementation of IMAP works just like POP3, but I (and many others too *G*) hope this will become better one day :-) including me ... see www.imap.org for a nice short description and differences between IMAP and POP3 on the opening page. -- Rob -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49
Hi Richard, On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:05:52 +0200GMT (20/07/2001, 15:05 +0800GMT), Richard Stephens wrote: RS I looked like crazy trying to find some common trait in the messages RS TB chose to not display or open but there was nothing that I could RS see. As you will admit, this makes it difficult for bug-hunters to narrow it down. RS Plus the fact that by closing TB and then reopening it, I could RS see the unopenable mail makes me suspicious. It does sound to me like the memory was all full, and got released by closing TB. Do you have a memory tool to monitor this when it happens? RS Add to that the fact that this is happening to others, the only RS conclusion that I can come to is that there is an unidentifiable RS bug running in the new versions that is causing conflicts on some RS machines. Yes, but some machines is again vague. But no bug should be identifiable. Let's get this guy! ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53l under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?
Hi Karin, On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, at 18:51:25 [GMT +0200] you wrote in the message: On 19-07-2001 at 14:38, Erik kindly wrote: I understand that I can copy, alt-tab to a browser, move the focus to the address bar, paste in the address, press enter, then alt-tab back to TB!. [...] Ahh... The AIMkey program that was discussed here recently could store these keystrokes for you, so then you could create your own keyboard shortcut. Thanks. I worked out a quick fix in MacroExpress. I did download the AIMkey program to look at later, out of curiousity. Thanks for the help. [...] -- Best regards, Erik -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
Hello Dierk, Friday, July 20, 2001, 2:09:47 AM, you wrote: Yes. Go to your account properties, under the File Directories menu, and cross Bind attachments only while sending out mail. Done! DH Beware, beware! I did it like that for months till I noticed that DH deleting the attachment from the mail - either by hand or through DH automatic trashing - you *lose the actual file*. I have enabled the Bind attachments option and have not had any message deleted. I tested it on my system this way: 1. Created a new outgoing message and attached a file. 2. Sent the message. 3. I went in to the Sent folder and deleted the message I sent previously with the attachment. 4. Went to the directory where I selected my attached file and it was still there. Now, I did not select just the attachment icon and deleted that. I just deleted the whole message. Did I perform the same steps as you did to duplicate this bug? Thanks! -- Using The Bat! v1.53l on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment or non text part has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan, Thursday, July 19, 2001, 9:17:29 PM, you wrote: [...] Since some days TheBat! doesn't check for e-mails automatically anymore. Account Properties hasn't changed, Periodical checking is checked, value is 5 min. I can't remember changing any other setting, but there is probably a very silly checkmark somewhere I have overlooked. [...] JR I have found that TB! doesn't *always* check e-mails automatically JR also. Checking the connection dialogue indicates that TB! isn't JR connected to the mail server any more yet the connection is JR perfectly ok. I don't understand... Very strange. I have TB! checking my mail every two minutes as I have a cable modem/lan connection. I looked over my days worth of logs and have found that, outside of periodic e-mail server problems TB! checks my mail automatically just fine. - -- Using The Bat! v1.53l on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed, sealed and delivered. iQA/AwUBO1gmbRalOqMy8yvQEQKuCACgg56WuMB22OiKmSCzqtAQzWfpfZ4AnRxd 1qDL0PwNtTWtaqZuZ98fNqhi =fFJU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Roman! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 12:32:39 PM you wrote: Isn't that worth a bug report? I filed it in last week. I find TBs habit of accumulating copies of attached files really annoying aswell, so I'd appreciate it handling atachments like other mail programs (take Eudora for example). Well, the best would be if TB! let's us bind attachments only at sending (as it is now), but would *not* delete the actual file while deleting the displayed link in the message. Much better than to think for yourself Oh, I don't have to - and shouldn't at all costs - delete the file in the message, as it is not there slowing down performance or grabbing disk space. So, I'm back to TB!'s default and once in a while a little hand job. Interesting, but does this belong on this list? ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist this little joke, especially since TB! had chosen one of my favourite lines about German humour for the tag line. Odd, why did you find it interesting?! ;-) - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time. (Abraham Lincoln) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1gb0vTo1oA8g8dLEQKayACgvZxjwclRiNfIb4garucDI9fxwH0AoJBi 74QzUeukkuh403MDOuqhWCYd =EhkY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wierd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 11:44:51 AM you wrote: There's still one question left: presume it's a bug: wherefrom TB! know the e-mail-address it send the copy to? I can't imagine there's just the Hotmail-address your friend uses 'hard coded' into TB! :-) So there _have to be_ a point in your mail configuration that generates this copy with _exactly_ the hotmail address receiving them. Did we rule out vicious programme code from an inadvertently installed malicious software product (a/k/a Trojan, Virus etc.)? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1gaxPTo1oA8g8dLEQLTlACeNqjzv3cYgBS6yNsq+BEPjnv0pzAAoJlW IXI16llb+qJqLDKEMWdFI8Cq =BUIg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Gerry! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:35:20 PM you wrote: Now, I did not select just the attachment icon and deleted that. I just deleted the whole message. Did I perform the same steps as you did to duplicate this bug? No. The mail I found this bug with was one of the few important ones to save. But I didn't need the attachment in it as I had it in my directory concerning movie and TV scripts. So I just deleted the attachment from the mail. I just had a look in the Properties. You have the possibility to check Bind attachments while sending *and* Delete attachment when message is deleted from Trash. They should definitely be mutually exclusive. I will test during the afternoon if it changes anything to have the last option checked or not. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C All for the Love of a Woman. (William Bell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1gfevTo1oA8g8dLEQLxKQCfaPahxHsEHiTPfcuQVDD1HEOIomUAn1c9 HNl/pwiwcmRENi5/yXOIeYR9 =xmqo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Outbox post processing rule? (2)
Tim, On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, at 07:17:41 [GMT -0400] (which was 4:47 PM where I live) you wrote: TM How do I create a rule that will move a message from my Outbox to another TM folder (Another account's Outbox) after attempting (and failing) to send? What do you mean by failing ?? Are you referring to 'bounced mail' - In which case possibly you could set a filter for bounced mail, using %account and %text. Honestly not sure, just a thought - maybe you could work on it. -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Replied on Friday, July 20, 2001 using TB Ver 1.53d -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49
On 20-07-2001 at 12:44, Thomas F kindly wrote: Richard Stephens wrote: RS I looked like crazy trying to find some common trait in the messages RS TB chose to not display or open but there was nothing that I could RS see. As you will admit, this makes it difficult for bug-hunters to narrow it down. Yes. But *I* have pointed to a common trait: html mail. It does sound to me like the memory was all full, and got released by closing TB. Do you have a memory tool to monitor this when it happens? I do. It's not a memory problem, at least not over here. (Besides, 128 Mb should be enough for Agent, Word and TB.) - K - -- Nothing is sacred about feeling miserable. - Doug W on alt.suicide.holiday, May 11 2001 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dierk! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 3:09:28 PM you wrote: I just had a look in the Properties. You have the possibility to check Bind attachments while sending *and* Delete attachment when message is deleted from Trash. They should definitely be mutually exclusive. I will test during the afternoon if it changes anything to have the last option checked or not. Faster than I thought. 1. The original file gets deleted when binding while sending is checked, *and* you want to remove the attachment! Always, regardless what you set the other option to. 2. If you put the whole message into the Trash and it gets emptied you will lose the file only, when you check both options. This makes the bug much more vicious, since you can now lose important files while you still compose an important message. And you may only stumble upon the problem by coincidence, as I did. It could be fixed very easy, I think, just don't allow TB! to delete the original file when Bind while sending is checked - never! The option to delete the attachment when Trash is emptied should only apply when you use the special directory option! - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love truly wishes some good to another, and therefore we all desire it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1gjO/To1oA8g8dLEQJl8wCgnV+VFBm5snubbuBt3XFNAaO5geMAoLfP nRx06N2B0vrSV1V1210E9IXd =N1AI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: splash screen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 12:35:39 PM you wrote: I rarely open the explorer, find an executable and run it raw shrug. The only argument is that more technical knowledge is needed to modify a shortcut than to flick an option switch... Didn't I explain that some weeks ago? Very easy, usually I start TB! from the shortcut on my desktop (I worked three years with OS/2, even had an add-on, similar to dashboard, to emulate desktops on Win3.x). Sometimes, twice a year or so I use the shortcut in the Start menu, which I abhor. And here it comes: After a file operation, e.g. an update, when I am already in the working directory of TB! I click on the actual EXE. But all in all your argument is worth much more. Mine held for 1.53bis (or one of those betas), when the logo obstructed my dial-up password window, as you may recall. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1gc9fTo1oA8g8dLEQL6JACg/ToYUu7xCOUcZg8tEpt+utEPgroAnR0M U0gggV5Dc0C0CMzksIiIUHBq =p+0K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wierd
Hello Dierk, On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:49:23 PM you wrote (at least in part): DH Did we rule out vicious programme code from an inadvertently installed DH malicious software product (a/k/a Trojan, Virus etc.)? Gergely did in his mail with Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GV I've recently made a clean install of Win98SE ... GV My comp seems to be virus free. The question is: Gergely, did you use a AntiVir software to _CHECK_ if your presumption is right? -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53l on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) You took my breath away and now I want it back. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Karin! On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:58:37 PM you wrote: I do. It's not a memory problem, at least not over here. (Besides, 128 Mb should be enough for Agent, Word and TB.) Don't count on it, the RAM may be enough, but don't forget the GDI heap of 64k; it's the one that could very quick get out of boundaries. In my experience this is the culprit for two very common errors in Win9x: Difficulties with displaying (quite funny results sometimes) and hanging/crashing of the system. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Sonar no cuesta nada (Träumen kostet nichts.). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO1gkL/To1oA8g8dLEQLBpQCg/JSYsYfpvNpbJKF5P/kE1joHt2MAn0v9 dc8/VrU+DSsAYs0AfkBy/rfs =U6K3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49
On 20-07-2001 at 15:29, Dierk Haasis kindly wrote: Hello Karin! I do. It's not a memory problem, at least not over here. (Besides, 128 Mb should be enough for Agent, Word and TB.) Don't count on it, the RAM may be enough, but don't forget the GDI heap of 64k; it's the one that could very quick get out of boundaries. Agreed. But getting out of boundaries for the mere task of opening an html mail? I find that unlikely. In my experience this is the culprit for two very common errors in Win9x: Difficulties with displaying (quite funny results sometimes) and hanging/crashing of the system. Ehm, I use NT, which is noticeably more stable ;-) - K - -- You may still *think* coherently, but it comes out more garbled than an unpaid porn channel. - crossposter insulting aonther crossposter -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001
Hello Dierk, On Friday, July 20, 2001 08:23:17 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001': Dierk For about a year I used NAV and had more problems than if I got myself Dierk a virus. Why don't you give PC-cillin a whirl. No conflicts with TB!, no virus' to date, virus list auto updates every few days, helpful tech support. Seems to good to be true. :-) -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53d/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?
Hello Erik, On Friday, July 20, 2001 07:43:53 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Launch URL keyboard shortcut?': Erik I did download the AIMkey program to look at later, out of Erik curiousity. [...] Where did u d_load this program from? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53d/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?
On 20-07-2001 at 20:45, Jan Rifkinson kindly wrote: Hello Erik, Erik I did download the AIMkey program to look at later, out of Erik curiousity. [...] Where did u d_load this program from? www.aimsoft.com - K - -- The First Amendment presupposes that right conclusions are more likely to be gathered out of a multitude of tongues, than through any kind of authoritative selection. - Judge Learned Hand as cited in New York Times v. Sullivan -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?
Hi Karin, On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, at 21:10:14 [GMT +0200] you wrote in the message: On 20-07-2001 at 20:45, Jan Rifkinson kindly wrote: Hello Erik, Erik I did download the AIMkey program to look at later, out of Erik curiousity. [...] Where did u d_load this program from? www.aimsoft.com I download it from here: http://www.aimsoft.com/aimkeys/ http://www.aimsoft.com/download.htm -- Best regards, Erik -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?
Hello Dierk, Historians believe that Fri, 20 Jul 2001 at 14:53 GMT +0200 was when, Dierk Haasis [DH] typed the following: DH Well, the best would be if TB! let's us bind attachments only at DH sending (as it is now), but would *not* delete the actual file while DH deleting the displayed link in the message. What are your settings under: Account - Properties - Files and Directories? -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.53l under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I have an imaginary friend who refuses to play with me. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Trial
If I uninstall the Bat, will I be able to continue the trial at another time? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
A Bat-fellow, Mars Descent, wrote on Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 06:30:45 (GMT +00-02), which was 8:30 a.m. in Bratislava -- A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar as A well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, ALT A GR+SPACEBAR) be used to navigate the message list upwards, while A SPACEBAR would continue to navigate it downwards? A Until something like this is implemented, the navigation of A messages in the Bat will remain uncomfortable for me, inferior to A Forte Agent, Pegasus, the Opera mailer, or even Outlook. MD How come you want to move backwards? I can't see what it helps. When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just skim its content. Currently you first need to press TAB to transfer the cursor to the message body, and then use PAGE UP. As soon as you do that, though, you cannot immediately move to the preceding / next message (the CTRL+UP and CTRL+DOWN shortcuts unexplicably do not work in preview message bodies), nor can you move or copy the message into another folder (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: wierd - Message ID
Hello Peter, Friday, July 20, 2001, 11:43:56 PM, you wrote: PP Hello Dierk, PP On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:49:23 PM you wrote (at least in part): DH Did we rule out vicious programme code from an inadvertently installed DH malicious software product (a/k/a Trojan, Virus etc.)? PP Gergely did in his mail with PP Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An off-subject question that I have, is prompted by this reply. How am I able to see/read the above quoted message? Yes I do have the whole thread, and I can scroll to the message, but I would like to click/double-click/right click on the message to go to it. How? GV I've recently made a clean install of Win98SE PP ... GV My comp seems to be virus free. I have no connection with these people, other than using their product. Free personal edition of a good anti-virus prog' at http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/CollateralList.asp?CT=17ID=271 PP The question is: Gergely, did you use a AntiVir software to _CHECK_ if your PP presumption is right? -- Best regards, Henrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hello Avenarius, Historians believe that Sat, 21 Jul 2001 at 03:39 GMT +0200 was when, Avenarius [A] typed the following: sniP A (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C A shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). That one isn't so mysterious. CTRL-C and CTRL-V are the Windows standard shorcuts for cutting (copying) and pasting text. In the message bodies, you may want to copy and paste the whole message or just the selected text. TB goes with the expected behaviour and only uses the selected text. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I simply wasn't cool enough for them (whomever they were) to offer drugs to me. Drugs were everywhere, that's what the TV said. I could get offered drugs at any time. Yeah, right. -- J. Sullivan -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: wierd
PP Hello Dierk, PP On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:49:23 PM you wrote (at least in part): DH Did we rule out vicious programme code from an inadvertently installed DH malicious software product (a/k/a Trojan, Virus etc.)? PP Gergely did in his mail with PP Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GV I've recently made a clean install of Win98SE PP ... GV My comp seems to be virus free. PP The question is: Gergely, did you use a AntiVir software to _CHECK_ if your PP presumption is right? Ooops, sorry, I thought this thread was dead. Yep, I used Computer Associates' InoculateIT PE to check the comp... Clean. And the Sorting Office is clean as well, there's nothing in there. What puzzles me (besides the whole thing sounding insane of course :) is that sending dozens of meassages should take some time, and I don't remember anything like that. (And my friend received more than 100 messages in maybe two days, so we aren't talking about a single event.) Is it possible that it was the mail server that messed things up somehow? Thinking back, I also set up this same e-mail account on a WindowsXP/OE6 config at my working place recently, but I deleted the account from that comp in about five mins. Who knows what OE6 can do in five minutes though? =) My friend said that she solved the problem by removing Outlook from her PC, but this sounds even more insane. I know for sure she's not lying though. Cheers, Gergely -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
A Bat-fellow, Januk Aggarwal, wrote on Friday, July 20, 2001 at 18:52:39 (GMT -0700), which was Saturday 3:52 a.m. in Bratislava -- A (the CTRL+V and CTRL+C A shortcuts unexplicably do not work in message bodies). JA That one isn't so mysterious. CTRL-C and CTRL-V are the Windows JA standard shorcuts for cutting (copying) and pasting text. In the JA message bodies, you may want to copy and paste the whole message or JA just the selected text. TB goes with the expected behaviour and JA only uses the selected text. sigh! Januk, whenever I complain of this you reply the same thing. You said this about a year ago, and here's what I and others replied a year ago: 1)You cannot paste anything into message bodies -- you can only paste in the Editor, so there's no reason for CTRL+V not working. 2)The issue here is not that CTRL+V or CTRL+C shortcuts do not work (they are bad shortcuts anyway, compared to Pegasus's or Forte Agent's or Opera mailer's one-letter keyboard shortcuts). The issue is that *no* shortcuts at all are available for moving or copying messages once the cursor is located in the message body (no matter if in Preview or in Folder View). This is anything but expected behaviour, it's moronic behaviour. Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders easily. The Bat makes this impossible. And instead of making such elementary operations possible, The Bat developers choose to implement HTML composing... -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spacebar
Hello Avenarius, Historians believe that Sat, 21 Jul 2001 at 04:17 GMT +0200 was when, Avenarius [A] typed the following: A You said this about a year ago, and here's what I and others A replied a year ago: Sorry, I tend to forget mailing list conversations that old. A 1)You cannot paste anything into message bodies -- you can only A paste in the Editor, so there's no reason for CTRL+V not working. True. Didn't mean to imply otherwise. However, I do think with that particular pair, it would be confusing to have mixed functionality. A 2) The issue here is not that CTRL+V or CTRL+C shortcuts do not work Ah, a misunderstanding. I thought that was the issue. A they are bad shortcuts anyway, Agreed. A The issue is that *no* shortcuts at all are available for moving or A copying messages once the cursor is located in the message body (no A matter if in Preview or in Folder View). Well, it may not be the shortcuts you're after, but what about Alt-M(essage)-C(opy) or Alt-M(essage)-M(ove)? It seems to work from all the views. A Even Outlook allows you to move or copy messages across folders A easily. I'm not familliar with Outlook's mail management methods. Does it use a simple shortcut as well? A And instead of making such elementary operations possible, The Bat A developers choose to implement HTML composing... To play devils advocate, one could easily argue that all the mailers you mentioned previously already offer that HTML functionality, why doesn't TB? I say that only to point out, lots of people want lots of things from TB, we can't all be *completely* satisfied all the time. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
Hi Avenarius On Friday, July 20, 2001, Avenarius wrote the following on the subject Spacebar A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar as A well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, ALT Alt up arrow works fine for me. later, tgm Using the Bat! 1.53d under Windows NT Service Pack 1 2195 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Spacebar
On Friday, July 20, 2001, 8:39:16 PM, Avenarius wrote: When you're reading a long message, there is no way to return to a previously read section of the long message. But it's often necessary to do that if you need to read a message carefully, rather than just skim its content. Not a perfect solution, but I use the up arrow to go to the next message and then the down arrow to return. This gets me to the top. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/3 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Spacebar
Saturday, July 21, 2001, 2:01:46 PM, Terry wrote: TGM On Friday, July 20, 2001, Avenarius wrote the following on the subject Spacebar A What I miss is the option to move backwards using the spacebar A as well as forwards. Couldn't SHIFT+SPACEBAR (or, better still, A ALT TGM Alt up arrow works fine for me. It does work fine, however, I think a lot of TB! users are on MS systems, which mean that navigation controls similar to MSIE might be considered a good thing by many. Doubt if it will happen, but I'd much rather see a single keystroke for navigating back in the display. Spacebar is great for navigating forward, but I'd rather have 'Page Up' work the message display itself rather than the message list. Same with 'Page Down' for that matter. Is there an unbreakable connection between those two and the two arrow keys? (I don't know, but it seems rather odd to have this duplication for the message list if it's not absolutely necessary.) -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
