Re: Moving to original message
Hello Anthony, On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 at 18:51:49[GMT -0800](which was 02:51 where I live) you wrote: Ctrl + Backspace Not here it doesn't unfortunately. All I get is the following dialogue box This message is addressed to you but not marked as replied. ;-( -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/5 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. You're always free to change your mind and choose a different future, or a different past. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to original message
Hello Mary, On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 at 19:51:01[GMT -0600](which was 01:51 where I live) you wrote: I like to have the original in front of me, too. I have my Windows arranged in a tiled fashion--I did it through manually sizing them, rather than selecting Tiles--such that a message I am Replying to peeks out to the left, just behind the Reply Edit Mail Message That's not quite what I want. I want to see, not the original to what I am replying, but the original to the message I am just reading at the time - a different beast all together! As you will see I've been pointed to CTRL + BACKSPACE but that doesn't work for me. I will do as Thomas says and get me to the wishlist. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/5 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to original message
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 at 11:14:47[GMT +0700](which was 04:14 where I live) you wrote: You could always put it again into the wishlist. I also have to scroll up the line in thread view often in order to find the message the poster had replied to. I would prefer a single keystroke go to message up thread and another one for go to root (message that started thread). I'm off there now thanks. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/5 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. Avoid problems, and you'll never be the one who overcame them. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unable to open Excel spreadsheets
Hallo Joseph, On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:49:25 -0600GMT (22-1-03, 5:49 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: JN It seems that when I receive a MS Excel file as an attachment to Check the properties for .xls files. TB tries to use the program specified for the 'open' action even if that's not your default, while Windows tries to use the default action. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: syntactically invalid HELO argument
Hi, Phil wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : How can I find out what the Bat is sending out? I've managed to send out messages by switching to the myrealbox smtp server and seeing what is in the headers when the message arrives but I guess the info is different depending on the Server. I could see nothing to do with HELO in the headers whereas when I send stuff with OE via claranet I can see the HELO greeting in the header. Most of the time you won't find any such information in an email's headers. (Sometimes it appears in some messages in the Received headers.) Right now I have the suspicion that it is the way your computer name appears (or rather doesn't) in the greeting. I'm hoping for somebody else confirming this. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to original message
Hello Richard, You could always put it again into the wishlist. I also have to scroll up the line in thread view often in order to find the message the poster had replied to. I would prefer a single keystroke go to message up thread and another one for go to root (message that started thread). I'm off there now thanks. I'd also like to have both move to original and move to root options. Meanwhile, let me ask you perhaps a naive question. Are you using View/View threads by/Reference? That helps a bit. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewing multiple recipients
ON Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:54:10 AM, you wrote: MAU On received messages, the only way I can think of right no is to get MAU focus on the text pane and hit Shift+Ctrl+K (or right click with the MAU mouse and select RFC-822 headers on the context menu). The full e-mail MAU headers will now be displayed and you can look for the To, CC, and MAU BCC. Either that or press F9. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golfers must learn to love the challenge when they hit a ball into the rough, trees, or sand. The alternatives--anger, fear, whining, and cheating--do no good. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewing multiple recipients
Hello Gerard, Either that or press F9. Ah! That's even better. I'm mouse oriented and normally use right click: -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to original message
Hello Richard! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:24 AM, you wrote: MB I like to have the original in front of me, too. I have my Windows MB arranged in a tiled fashion--I did it through manually sizing them, MB rather than selecting Tiles--such that a message I am Replying to MB peeks out to the left, just behind the Reply Edit Mail Message R That's not quite what I want. I want to see, not the original to what R I am replying, but the original to the message I am just reading at R the time - a different beast all together! ... I didn't organize what I was trying to say very well--I was using what I did with Reply as an example. :) I went to the TBUDL folder and tried it. Of course, I had to scroll for the root, as Thomas terms it, the originating message of the thread. Once found, though, I kept it up as an open folder. And I was able to read the subsequent posts with that open folder behind the Window I was reading in. And to keep more than one folder stacked, if subsequent posts looked as if I might want to refer back to them, as I read. However, I agree with you--it is more than just a minor pain to have to hunt the original message by scrolling, before one can do this. R ... As you will see I've been pointed to CTRL + BACKSPACE but that R doesn't work for me. Nor for me, neither. For me it brought up the previous message. R I will do as Thomas says and get me to the wishlist. I am going there, now, also. It will be my first post to the wishlist. :) -- Mary Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Keystroke for go to root message that started thread
Hello Wish List ! Several of us are finding it a pain to have to: ... scroll up the line in thread view often in order to find the message the poster had replied to. I would prefer a single keystroke go to message up thread and another one for go to root (message that started thread). This is my first post to the Wish List. I hope it will not take too much writing to provide us with this keystroke. -- Sincerely yours, Mary R. Bull The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Unable to open Excel spreadsheets
Roelof, On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RO Check the properties for .xls files. TB tries to use the program RO specified for the 'open' action even if that's not your default, while RO Windows tries to use the default action. Thanks Roelof. That did the trick. -- JN Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost folders and message
This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on the disk though. For another account messages between January the 21st up to December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday after which TheBat strangely enough started to download older mail from the server (I keep a copy of them for 5 days). I am a bit at lost. Is there a way I could recover the reference to those messages and folder ? jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello jeanluc , On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 07:36:55GMT -0700 (which was 9:36 AM in the tropics where I live) jeanluc inquired: j This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on the disk though. See below. j For another account messages between January the 21st up to December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. 1. Exit TB! 2. BACK UP the MESSAGES.TBI files of the affected folders. 3. Restart TB, and it will re-create these files, and should find the lost messages. This is the most tried and true method for correcting this problem. j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday after which TheBat strangely enough started to download older mail from the server (I keep a copy of them for 5 days). I should say here that due to the complexity of current O/S, and their inherent susceptibility to lost data in power drops, you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. j I am a bit at lost. Is there a way I could recover the reference to those messages and folder ? Oh, and speaking of long unwrapped lines . . . . :-) -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike The future isn't what it used to be. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Some email programs' [Reply] don't address the Reply-To: in themessage being read
I send out a once a week email newsletter that asks for a yes or no response about attending this week's meeting of an organization. The reply is to be sent to three addresses, so the newsletter's Reply-To: includes the three addresses. I tested the email by sending it to myself at an account where I read mail with TheBat!, and to my Yahoo webmail account. I was gratified to find that both TheBat! and Yahoo could [Reply] to my message. Then I tested the message by sending it to our members. I found that not all members could hit [Reply] and address the three members in my message's Reply-To: . For example, AOL members address only me (the sender) when they hit [Reply]. It tried including mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in a message mto one of our AOL members and asking her to click on it. The link didn't open a new message. I also tried sending her the same link enclosed by , and that didn't work either. Is there a way to include a mailto: (or equivalent) that will always work? If it is, can I include the Subject: in one mailto: (or equivalent), so I can click on one mailto: to answer yes, or a second mailto: to answer no? Thanks for your help. -- Dan Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: syntactically invalid HELO argument
Hi Mark, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:16:53 AM, you wrote: Phil- If you really get desperate you could try telnetting to claranet's server on the smtp port and try sending a HELO or EHLO message. I just tried it and got in without a problem. telnet claranet.com 25 EHLO 1.2.3.4 Thanks for this info. This is not actually the smtp server that I was using - they seen to have lots of them. I was using mail.clara.net, when I switched to use relay.clara.net I was able to send messages. After playing around with telnet I now know that the problem is caused because my computer name as placed in the helo keyword contains an underscore. Some of Claranet's smtp servers are obviously more fussy than others. I changed my computer name some time ago to remove the underscore but there must be some registry setting being picked up that still contains the old name. Does anyone have any ideas where this might be? Thanks to everyone for helping! -- Cheers, Philmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
I should say here that due to the complexity of current O/S, and their inherent susceptibility to lost data in power drops, you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. Hm, Actually I have a small UPS. The power cut was indeed I jumping to power off my PC after having spilled my tea all over the place ! jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: syntactically invalid HELO argument
Hi, Phil wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I changed my computer name some time ago to remove the underscore but there must be some registry setting being picked up that still contains the old name. Does anyone have any ideas where this might be? I'm glad you were able to find the problem. I'd do a search through the registry for your old name. You might also check your computer's name in the network settings (but you probably already did that). Perhaps your computer also resolves its own name using any of these files: hosts or LMHOSTS. They are plain text files and reside somewhere in some subdirectory of your computer's system directory. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which are not appearing anymore. I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some email programs' [Reply] don't address the Reply-To: in themessage being read
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Daniel, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 10:04:37 AM, you wrote: DG I send out a once a week email newsletter that asks for a yes or no DG response about attending this week's meeting of an organization. The DG reply is to be sent to three addresses, so the newsletter's Reply-To: DG includes the three addresses. snip DG Then I tested the message by sending it to our members. I found that DG not all members could hit [Reply] and address the three members in my DG message's Reply-To: . For example, AOL members address only me (the DG sender) when they hit [Reply]. I do the same thing but never ran across the problem because I take care of it differently... I own several domains which I can designate one email address to have as many owners as I wish... When I put one my domain addresses in the reply to that has several owners whenever someone replies to the message and emails anything to that single address all owners get the message... Maybe its not the answer you we're looking for but its quick and easy and is just a little more professional than exposing everyones email address in the reply to field. You can get a domain for as low as 7 bucks at http://godaddy.com and you can get all the domain tools you need for free at http://mydomain.com Those two tools put together form a hell of an internet presence on the web... Just my 2 cents... Good luck - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPi68hF3LB35+TCg0EQLTJACeJOzkWTssxNVYTOtdZVflq2ErPcEAoJYg Lz/lERpGxRBBq5U2OEBiHtaF =ctLw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some email programs' [Reply] don't address the Reply-To: in themessage being read
Hallo Daniel, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:04:37 -0500GMT (22-1-03, 16:04 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: DG Then I tested the message by sending it to our members. I found DG that not all members could hit [Reply] and address the three DG members in my message's Reply-To: . For example, AOL members DG address only me (the sender) when they hit [Reply]. Then the client is broken, since it doesn't adhere to the proper RFC's As you said, you could try something with a mailto: link, but there's no guarantee that that'll work, since a broken program can be broken on lots of places. However, I googled for 'RFC' and 'mailto' and was rewarded with this link: http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/uri/rfc2368.txt that taught me the syntax of the mailto url. It supports multiple addresses when they're separated with %2C A header can be added with a question mark. So your mailto: link would like like this: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=I%20would%20like%20to%20come When clicked on it gives a proper message with TB, but I won't promise anything about broken clients that can't even handle a Reply-To: correctly. More questions about this subject should go to tbot, I think, since they're not really TB-related. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Lost folders and message
Hello jeanluc , On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 08:32:09GMT -0700 (which was 10:32 AM in the tropics where I live) jeanluc responded: j I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. FRACK! For the sequence of missing messages, did you try to use; Folder-Browse Deleted Messages? Try the same thing in the TRASH folder, unless you have compressed that folder since the loss ;-( j Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which j are not appearing anymore. Are the folders just not appearing in the account window, or is there no folder(s) in the mail directory under \Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\?? If the folders are there (on the drive), use CTRL-SHFT-ALT-L to have TB search for and re-list the 'lost' folders. j I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. When I said back up,' the best thing to do is (when EXITED from TB!) rename the file(s) [in the folders that don't show up in TB!] to MESSAGES.BAK. Must make note to self - be more careful with beverages around my computer! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: syntactically invalid HELO argument
Hi Markus, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 3:27:16 PM, you wrote: Perhaps your computer also resolves its own name using any of these files: hosts or LMHOSTS. They are plain text files and reside somewhere in some subdirectory of your computer's system directory. You are absolutely correct, I had neglected to change the entry in my hosts file (..hangs head in shame!). -- Cheers, Philmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Edvinas, I've tried 40tude dialog and it blew me away! Good bye Forté Agent. Multiple languages support is amazing in that program. Full unicode support, it picks needed charset for you by analysing what characters are in the message. Perfect! But threading, specially compared to TB, is pure crap! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hallo jeanluc, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:32:09 -0700GMT (22-1-03, 16:32 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: j Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which are j not appearing anymore. Select the account-tree and press Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L This searches for lost folders. I'm afraid the connection between your attachments and their messages is forever gone. That's the reason that store my attachments in the message body. That's also the reason that you shouldn't drink tea behind the computer. Chocolate and coffee are alright, but tea is no good. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Lost folders and message
Hi Spike, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:05:53 PM, you wrote: j I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. S FRACK! For the sequence of missing messages, did you try to use; S Folder-Browse Deleted Messages? S Try the same thing in the TRASH folder, unless you have S compressed that folder since the loss ;-( I reckon I'll have to give up on this one. No deleted messages found and TheBat compresses my files on each exit. At least attached documents are still there. I guess I'll to have to write down 1000 times: I shall backup my data every day. j Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which j are not appearing anymore. S Are the folders just not appearing in the account window, or is S there no folder(s) in the mail directory under S \Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\?? S If the folders are there (on the drive), use CTRL-SHFT-ALT-L to S have TB search for and re-list the 'lost' folders. j I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. The key combinations did the trick, folders are back - Thanks, Jean-Luc www.corobori.com ICQ: 48338941 MSN Messenger: Corobori Fono: +56 (41) 74 83 39 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Spike wrote... j This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account j some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on j the disk though. See below. If the folder is missing, you want to use the CTRL SHIFT ALT L key combination to force TB to research it's MAIL/ structure. j For another account messages between January the 21st up to j December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I j noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. 1. Exit TB! 2. BACK UP the MESSAGES.TBI files of the affected folders. I think you missed a step... you forgot to say either rename or delete the messages.tbi didn't you? :) j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save you a lot of trouble :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7QniuD6BT4/R9zEQKyGwCg2WeD9OK59T5ou95lWs6CAFC1YtgAoLOk xBTpQDpvjsx1ojVDO135YAVm =P2Mm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! And Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:10 AM, you wrote: j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] S [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. What is a UPS, please? J They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save you J a lot of trouble :) And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Mary, What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply (a rechargeable battery. And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? APC - American Power Conversion, www.apcc.com. The best. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Miguel! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:26 AM, you wrote: M Hello Mary, What is a UPS, please? M Uninterrupted Power Supply (a rechargeable battery. And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? M APC - American Power Conversion, www.apcc.com. The best. Off to get one, now. Another snowstorm is on its way here, tonight. :) Thanks, Miguel. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] S [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply... a battery that charges itself while you it has power, and when the power goes out, it is what gives you the power until the power supply comes back up. Or at least it gives you enough to hit that save button ;) J They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save J you a lot of trouble :) And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, any place that sells electrical goodies :) I use APC at home, and some large industrial ones at work. The APC one runs for me just fine, with a 30min backup, it has saved me plenty of times. Also if you're running windows, most UPS systems provide a cable to allow you to get the UPS to shut your PC down for you automatically on detection of a power outage, after X mins (usually configurable). I think you can pick up a fairly reasonable one for about $30-50, that'll give you 10 mins backup. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7WgSuD6BT4/R9zEQK9CQCgmESNOOJ0rH/osowd0RQfcndjZ0AAmwUA O6YMUUyhDDrR2tJjGxwQLll0 =2Ay5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hallo Mary, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:16:16 -0600GMT (22-1-03, 18:16 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: S [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. MB What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:35 AM, you wrote: MB What is a UPS, please? J Uninterrupted Power Supply... a battery that charges itself while you J it has power, and when the power goes out, it is what gives you the J power until the power supply comes back up. Or at least it gives you J enough to hit that save button ;) J They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save J you a lot of trouble :) MB And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands MB and how do you hook them up to the computer? J CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, ... Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive solutions. But we have another snowstorm on its way later this evening. I may take a run out to Best Buy and look, in a minute. I have a topnotch surge protector in-place. But data-saving isn't its thing. :) J ... any place that sells J electrical goodies :) So--Office Depot, Staples Office Supply, Home Depot? We have all these locally, in addition to Best Buy. J ... I use APC at home, and some large industrial ones at work. The J APC one runs for me just fine, with a 30min backup, it has saved me J plenty of times. Also if you're running windows, most UPS systems J provide a cable to allow you to get the UPS to shut your PC down J for you automatically on detection of a power outage, after X mins J (usually configurable). ... That would be great. I'm running WinXP. J ... I think you can pick up a fairly reasonable one for about J $30-50, that'll give you 10 mins backup. Should be plenty of time. Thanks a bunch! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Roelof! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:41 AM, you wrote: MB What is a UPS, please? R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... J CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, ... Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive solutions. I've found with APC, Office Depot often has them on special deals, which is always useful. J ... any place that sells electrical goodies :) So--Office Depot, Staples Office Supply, Home Depot? We have all these locally, in addition to Best Buy. Yup, I think I got mine from Office Depot. I'm not sure if Home Depot would have them, but Office Depot, and Staples certainly do. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7isCuD6BT4/R9zEQIcJACg5hinteS3Di2KtPCsJ02QHAGLeZ0AoLDv 1lV0a2bBIsAf84+8GaCy82aa =FKDQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! 1. Shut down PC 2. Unplug PC 3. Plug in UPS 4. Plug in PC to UPS 5. Switch on UPS 6. Switch on PC As I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7jDyuD6BT4/R9zEQJ8rgCfXMKU+SXtb2qZvvXBxgvAOVXqQ7kAoNkk IUlyaPDE0Twcn3qOgTyfgyr2 =Zbp/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:27 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: J I've found with APC, Office Depot often has them on special deals, J which is always useful. Office Depot is right next door to Best Buy here. :) J ... any place that sells electrical goodies :) snip J ... I think I got mine from Office Depot. I'm not sure if Home Depot J would have them, but Office Depot, and Staples certainly do. Well, Staples is right next door to Barnes and Noble, just about my favorite place in town. Great coffee. Great books. :) Here goes Mary off topic again! :) But I think protecting The Bat! and its data probably is on-topic. So thanks for all this great information and support. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:29 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. MB Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to MB hook it up! J 1. Shut down PC J 2. Unplug PC J 3. Plug in UPS J 4. Plug in PC to UPS J 5. Switch on UPS J 6. Switch on PC I'm parking and flagging this, and printing it out! Thanks so very much!! J As I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables J to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd J just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small J software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the quick J start guides cover everything :) I just got a HP Scanjet working last week, with a little on-line guidance from a friend. Surely I can deal with this! If not, I know where to ask. Thanks, Jonathan. Blow a kiss to Texas for me--it's my native soil. g Missing it up here in cold Kentucky right now. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:29 PM, you wrote: R Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I think? JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:56 PM, you wrote: MB Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were MB offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive MB solutions. But we have another snowstorm on its way later this MB evening. I may take a run out to Best Buy and look, in a minute. the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:53 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: MB ... hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically P powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have my Sony notebook attached to it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Paul Cartwright wrote... JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I think? Mine didn't require it... :) JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. I think I mentioned that didn't I? - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7rtCuD6BT4/R9zEQIGswCfduxMM8MT2bWEz43L9qWRlcVkJ6MAoIgf 9dwWtOop/Kf6xfpGeuSj1wMk =RMSO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan Angliss, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 12:29:32GMT -0600 (which was 1:29 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss ruminated: Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC 2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety regulations. I've found a total of 26 of these so far this month, running without the batteries connected, and the warning in the interface software (if installed) DISABLED! This is a serious issue, and should be addressed. JA 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS 4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or RTFM!). 4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC JA Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Spel chequers dew knot wurk write. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:55 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: snip P ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) I used APC's on-line help me choose link, and they were recommending systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) Any more advice, Paul? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:06 PM, you wrote: J On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Paul Cartwright wrote... JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS PC charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I PC think? J Mine didn't require it... :) Okay, maybe mine won't, either. JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to PC automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. J I think I mentioned that didn't I? You did, indeed. :) It's starting to cloud over. I think I may go shopping in just a sec, not to get caught out on slippery streets. :) Thanks again for all the help, Jonathan. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:03 PM, you wrote: JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? yes, you plug in the UPS to the A/C outlet and let it charge up. Then you can plug in the PC. MB Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically P powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. MB I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently MB has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to MB the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the MB internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the MB peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have MB my Sony notebook attached to it. ahh, the phone connector will also go through the UPS. unplug the phone from the PC, plug it into the UPS where it says to, then there is another phone cable with the UPS that goes to the PC. Saves lightening strikes from frying your modem!! you probably have 2 USB connections on the BACK of your PC, I know they aren't easy to get to ;) -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... MB ... hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC JA 3. Plug in UPS P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? The difference between a cell-phone battery and a UPS battery is that the UPS battery isn't in use while their is power. So it *should* be charging while you use it. That is why I don't think I needed to charge mine. P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to P automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power P outage. I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. The one I have uses a serial connection instead of a USB. I don't use it personally, doesn't work with my Operating System :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7ueiuD6BT4/R9zEQKkCgCfSFA9wjTYRLrS5rSaBsrnentuMCcAn0u3 /4lxQiGRFVEtav32l/y1YQBr =z+DP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:07 PM, you wrote: S Hello Jonathan Angliss, S Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] S Checklist to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC S2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with Sthe battery disconnected due to new shipping safety Sregulations. SI've found a total of 26 of these so far this month, Srunning without the batteries connected, and the warning Sin the interface software (if installed) DISABLED! This Sis a serious issue, and should be addressed. JA 3. Plug in UPS S3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! SFailure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE Sthroughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS S4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or SRTFM!). S4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC JA Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) S Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] S manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. Fearless Fosdick manual okay? g Spike, within the next half hour I am off to buy one of these things. It's already clouding over and I expect it to be spitting snow before long. :) So, any more ideas before I leave you? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary Bull, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 13:08:47GMT -0600 (which was 2:08 PM in the tropics where I live) Mary Bull expressed: P ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. I recommend a change every 2 years, as the gel-cell batteries are the same as used in alarm systems. recommended change interval in that use is 2 years. Is your data as important as your home/office security? MB That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) MB I used APC's on-line help me choose link, and they were recommending MB systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had MB said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single MB Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) Printer?? NEVER hook up a LASER printer to a UPS, as the power drain is too high! Inkjets are OK, as they draw less. The less you have connected to the UPS the better. Usually only CPU and Monitor. Just what is required to safely close all program windows and save files. Then SHUT DOWN! It is also recommended that you CYCLE the battery at least once every 6 months to completely discharge it (to the point it shuts down the UPS) to keep the battery 'active.' They don't have a 'memory' per se, but they do require being exercised. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike The cigarette does the smoking, YOU'RE just the sucker!! -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Spike wrote... Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA 1. Shut down PC JA 2. Unplug PC 2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety regulations. Ahh yes... I forgot about that one... thanks... :) JA 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] Never had that in mine, even the big guide didn't say anything about charging. I guess that could be because of the way it works, ie, the power being drawn from the main line instead of through the batter, while the battery is charged during usage. JA 4. Plug in PC to UPS 4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or RTFM!). 4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] Not all have those, so these could be skipped. Plus if your OS doesn't support them, no point trying to get them to work ;) JA 5. Switch on UPS JA 6. Switch on PC JA Normally the quick start guides cover everything :) Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. As goes for almost anything. The reason companies do the quick starts is to make it easier. The manual itself contains more technical data for their usage, or at least was for my case anyway, also the manual contains troubleshooting, while the quick start was... how to get started. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7vySuD6BT4/R9zEQLbHgCgxX0Rm7/wIOFIu/1W0nO9Su5PmXgAnib7 jlruJmWtvFZcC80AqWC+Z00a =gKvT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:14 PM, you wrote regarding USP: snip MB I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently MB has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to MB the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the MB internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the MB peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have MB my Sony notebook attached to it. P ahh, the phone connector will also go through the UPS. unplug the phone P from the PC, plug it into the UPS where it says to, then there is P another phone cable with the UPS that goes to the PC. Saves lightening P strikes from frying your modem!! Thanks!! Glad I asked.! P you probably have 2 USB connections on the BACK of your PC, I know they P aren't easy to get to ;) No, they're on the front. All my USB connections (two--I asked for four, and somehow the techs didn't pay attention, plus a serial port for my old Kodak DC210 camera cable--that's on the back) are on the front. This tower is custom built. Just got it in December. I love having those USB connectors on the front! It has 120 GB hard drive and 512 RAM. Pentium 4 chip. The two printers are on internally wired connections, with on-screen switching. The modem is internal, but I can get to the phone jack quite easily. Any more thoughts! You can't know how much I appreciate this! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan Angliss, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 13:23:45GMT -0600 (which was 2:23 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss responded: Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA Never had that in mine, even the big guide didn't say JA anything about charging. I guess that could be because of the JA way it works, ie, the power being drawn from the main line JA instead of through the battery, while the battery is charged JA during usage. Ah, but there is a chance of a storm (imminently) cutting power where Mary is, so I guess she must hope there is sufficient time to charge before that happens! We shall see. The battery charges at the same rate whether the UPS is being used or not, so it really doesn't matter UNLESS there is a failure SOON :-) Some of the LARGER UPS systems operate on the inverter (connverts the battery DC 12V to AC 120V) at all times, so that there is NO delay in switching over to backup power. There is a relay that switches over (in milliseconds) in the smaller units. The delay is not noticed by most systems, but larger power-hungry server banks might be adversely affected. I guess I have pontificated enough on this, so Mary . . GO GET IT!! A 450VA unit should be fine for your use. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Against boredom, even the gods labor in vain. -- /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:18 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: snip P charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P think? MB Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? J The difference between a cell-phone battery and a UPS battery is that J the UPS battery isn't in use while their is power. So it *should* be J charging while you use it. That is why I don't think I needed to J charge mine. I see. P you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to P automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power P outage. MB I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. J The one I have uses a serial connection instead of a USB. I don't use J it personally, doesn't work with my Operating System :) As I just wrote to Paul, I do have a serial connection, on the back of my tower. It presently has my serial cable for my Kodak DC210 camera attached. Those nine-pin connectors are the very dickens for my arthritic old hands to deal with! I really prefer to leave that as is! :) I am waiting just a little longer for more ideas, but by 2:00 p.m. I'm going to be out of here! It's about a ten-minute drive to the mall with those supply stores. Thanks again for all your help. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:08 PM, you wrote: MB That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) MB I used APC's on-line help me choose link, and they were recommending MB systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had MB said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single MB Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) MB Any more advice, Paul? you only need a Backups Office 350 or 500. You just plug the printers into the SURGE protected ports on the APC. The APC has UPS protected slots for the CPU and Monitor, and the rest are SURGE protected slots, for printers, scanners... that way, when the power goes out, you are only draining the battery for the CPU and monitor. as Spike said, don't forget to open the UPS and plug the battery in... -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:20 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: P ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. S I recommend a change every 2 years, as the gel-cell batteries are S the same as used in alarm systems. recommended change interval S in that use is 2 years. Is your data as important as your S home/office security? Well, certainly, yes. :) MB ... a single Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) S Printer?? NEVER hook up a LASER printer to a UPS, as the power S drain is too high! ... Well, it did say something about that on the APC website. :) S Inkjets are OK, as they draw less. ... Both these printers are wired internally (inside the tower) to the computer. My switching between them is through software. If the printers are turned off, would that do it? Or should I unplug their power cables from the surge protector device, in case of this (we hope never-happening) power outage? S ... The less you have connected to the UPS the better. Usually only S CPU and Monitor. Just what is required to safely close all program S windows and save files. Then SHUT DOWN! It is also recommended that S you CYCLE the battery at least once every 6 months to completely S discharge it (to the point it shuts down the UPS) to keep the S battery 'active.' ... I see. Again, somewhat like a cell phone battery? S ... They don't have a 'memory' per se, but they do S require being exercised. Thanks again, Spike. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:30 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: very big snip S I guess I have pontificated enough on this, so Mary . . GO GET S IT!! A 450VA unit should be fine for your use. And protect all my great The Bat! settings and data. Okay, I'm off to the store, Spike. Thanks again. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Finder tick boxes
Hello Miguel, Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 8:55:49 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello all, MAU I'm writing a couple of PowerPro macros and I would need to make sure MAU that a couple of tick boxes on the Options tab of the Message Finder MAU are selected. MAU As far as I know these type of tick boxes toggle with every click or MAU corresponding keyboard shortcut. Yes. MAU Does anybody know of any way/trick to MAU force these two boxes to selected/ticked? Well, the way you're going would seem to be the way to do that. Would be harder if you had to control the mouse pointer, right? But works from keyboard. You know you just TAB or SHIFT TAB to flow through all the options? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB And protect all my great The Bat! settings and data. Okay, I'm off to
MB the store, Spike. Thanks again.
moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mary.
Ok Guys. Wonderful. Mary now knows what a UPS is and is on her way to
get one. You certainly will not regret it Mary. I recommend that
everyone else does the same.
I hope that after 26 messages in an effort to answer Mary's question
of what a UPS is, we can end the discussion here, right? :)
Though I've agreed with Mary in the past that queries about terms used
during discussions are welcome, and which they *still are*. Please keep
your explanations as brief as possible and be mindful of not starting
a full blown off-topic discussion as a result of it. There's always
TBOT to go to for ironing out the fine details and develop the
discussion as needed.
It's very important that we stick to e-mail and TB! as much as
possible when posting.
Thanks.
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Re: Message Finder tick boxes
Hello Adam, Well, the way you're going would seem to be the way to do that. Would be harder if you had to control the mouse pointer, right? But works from keyboard. You know you just TAB or SHIFT TAB to flow through all the options? Yes, of course I knew about TAB and SHIFT TAB. My problem is finding a way (from a keyboard macro) to ensure that a certain tick box is ticked (on?). For example, if I want to select (tick) Body I can use Alt+B, but that will just toggle whatever the previous state is. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Finder tick boxes
Hello Miguel, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 5:01:02 PM, you wrote: MAU Yes, of course I knew about TAB and SHIFT TAB. My problem is finding a MAU way (from a keyboard macro) to ensure that a certain tick box is MAU ticked (on?). Ah yes. A plain ON, as opposed to a toggle. I thought it started with a blank slate when you hit F7. MAU For example, if I want to select (tick) Body I can use MAU Alt+B, but that will just toggle whatever the previous state is. Now there, I didn't know of shortcuts like that. You're teaching me too! Maybe that one was staying set after you hit F7 another time. So, you're right. I'm not sure. Speaking of which, we could use a keypress that set focus on the main window. The main or primary Bat window is split in three sections: the folders, the list of messages, and the preview window. You can hit TAB to advance focus to the next pane. But I know no way to fix focus on a particular pane by any simple method or shortcut. I daresay it could prove handy to be able to manoeuvre certain operations in advance, automatically. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Finder tick boxes
Hello Adam, Now there, I didn't know of shortcuts like that. You're teaching me too! On this type of dialogs, when a tick box or radio button has an underlined letter, clicking Alt+underlined_letter selects and or toggles it. Maybe that one was staying set after you hit F7 another time. So, you're right. I'm not sure. Yes, it saves the last state, the state of the last search done. So, I can never be sure which is it, that is why I'm looking for a way to force an ON or OFF state. But I think it isn't possible. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hi Mary, On 22 Jan 2003 13:03:33 (my local time 11:03:33), Mary Bull wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) but presently I don't have my Sony notebook attached to it. If you are using a notebook instead of a desktop, you probably don't need a UPS. -- Regards, Anthony Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. -- Abelson Sussman Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
ON Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 7:29:32 PM, you wrote: JA s I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables JA to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd JA just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small JA software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the quick JA start guides cover everything :) All you guys and girls running out to get a UPS the above is something you definitely want on a UPS. A UPS is first and foremost meant to prevent you losing data with brown and black outs. Therefore the PC should close itself down (after the power has been gone for a short while), in a normal and controlled way without losing data, when the power is gone. Remember you might not be there to shut it down manually!! The battery is also not (normally) there to let you work on for extended period. If you want that you will have to pay big bucks and reserve lots of space for the UPS, depending on how long you want to keep on working after the power is gone. A final note, printers, scanners and all nonessential equipment should not be connected tot the UPS because it drains the battery. You could consider connecting your telephone system to the UPS if you have one that needs external power (think SOHO). Price tip: Some companies sell used UPS equipment and there is lot around for good price since the Internet bubble has blown :( Ask for a minimum waranty on the batteries if you buy one used. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf humanizes women, humbles their laughty natures, tends, in short, to knock out of their systems a certain modicum of that superciliousness, that swank, which makes wooing a tough proposition for the diffident male.==P.G Wodehouse - THE ROUGH STUFF == Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 5:00 PM, you wrote: G A final note, printers, scanners and all nonessential equipment should G not be connected tot the UPS because it drains the battery. You could G consider connecting your telephone system to the UPS if you have one G that needs external power (think SOHO) the APC UPSes have 2 types of power to plug into, the UPS protected and just surge protected. Usually 3 of each. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello All, I have written a first description of the PowerPro script I use for manual re-threading in TB. I am sorry, but this first version of the description is just of the script and method, and it assumes you are familiar with how to configure and start a script from a PowerPro toolbar button or menu. The step by step description of the script is available at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/TB/re-thread.htm Feel free to ask if you do not understand something, but please here in TBUDL so others may benefit. No PM on this, thanks. For those not too familiar with PowerPro, and until I have more time to go into that, I suggest you follow the Tour on: http://www.windowspowerpro.com And even better, download PowerPro, install it and take a look at the Tutorial and HTML help. Both are very good. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Mary, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:26:47 -0600 GMT (23/01/03, 02:26 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: This tower is custom built. Just got it in December. I love having those USB connectors on the front! It has 120 GB hard drive and 512 RAM. Pentium 4 chip. The two printers are on internally wired connections, with on-screen switching. The modem is internal, but I can get to the phone jack quite easily. BTW I remember you checking for prices and stuff. How much did you end up paying, if I may ask so intrusively? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich Sie jetzt um Sex bitten wuerde - waere Ihre Antwort die gleiche, die Sie auf diese Frage geben? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My TB can now manually re-thread messages :)
Hello Miguel, On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, at 00:41:17 GMT +0100 (1/22/2003, 5:41 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: For those not too familiar with PowerPro, and until I have more time to go into that, I suggest you follow the Tour on: http://www.windowspowerpro.com And even better, download PowerPro, install it and take a look at the Tutorial and HTML help. Both are very good. I hear you. I'm DL'ing now. I'll look at it probably tomorrow. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
