Re: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hi Batpersons, On or about, Monday, November 10, 2003, 5:01:14 PM, we have reason to believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tko Second, is there any other Bayesian spam plugin for TB? Are any planned? tko What about non-Bayesian spam plugins? tko I dropped K9 in favor of BayesIt (because I was going to use IMAP), but have tko learned I did so prematurely. I like the idea of an integrated plugin, but tko BayesIt is not ready for my use (blank dialogs, freezing, bugs). There is another bayesian plug-in: (from message id [EMAIL PROTECTED]) === a new version from my open source plugin is ready and hopefully working. Just download the packed file and follow the instructions from readme.txt (YOU HAVE TO SCAN SOME MAILS FIRST TO GET IT WORKING! THE INCLUDED DATABASE HAS NO NON SPAM (HAM) INFORMATIONS!!!). http://www.lkcc.org:8500/download/bayesfilter.zip === It's working here OK. Incidentally, I've had no problems with Bayesit - have you tried the latest version (0.4gm)? -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [MyGate] and Download filters
Hi Michael, On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, at 09:53:42 [GMT+0100] (which was 19:53:42 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: For example to not download messages with certain keywords in the subject. Err, No. Sorry. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Suicidal dyslexic jumps behind train - film at 11 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Auto delete does not work in several folders
Dear listeners, does anibody out there know a solution to this problem: I use several accounts and have also some common folders (e.g. mailing-lists). In the common folder mailing-lists there are lots of subfolders for the lists. Filtering of incoming messages works fine, but not the auto delete. I want to keep only a certain number of mails in the subfolders and did this: subfolder/properties/number of saved messages: 100 when finishing TB: purge ld messages. The problem is: In most of the subfolders this works, but in some it does not. I cannot find the cause for this problem. It has nothing to do with thread-display or parked messages. Did anyone had the same problem and knws how to solve it? Thanks in advance! Thomas -- Using TB 2.01.3 on Win XP Thomas Schmidt - Kantor und Kapellmeister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Musik in der Marktkirche Neuwied: http://www.marktkirche.de Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [MyGate] and Download filters
Hello John, For example to not download messages with certain keywords in the subject. Err, No. Sorry. No problem. I have already tested it (not thoroughly) and seems to work fine. Thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Odd reply problem
Hello everyone, When replying to email I get the following problem. Original Message - I really cant find what you are referring to. Reply quote - I really can #8217;t find what you are referring to. Any thoughts. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.01.3 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 11/7/03 Tested on: 11/11/03 8:47:56 AM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hello Nick, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 2:07:15 AM, you wrote: NG Hi Batpersons, NG On or about, Monday, November 10, 2003, 5:01:14 PM, we have NG reason to believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NG a new version from my open source plugin is ready and hopefully NG working. Just download the packed file and follow the instructions NG from readme.txt (YOU HAVE TO SCAN SOME MAILS FIRST TO GET IT WORKING! NG THE INCLUDED DATABASE HAS NO NON SPAM (HAM) INFORMATIONS!!!). NG http://www.lkcc.org:8500/download/bayesfilter.zip NG === I downloaded the program and installed it in TB, but how do I make it scan anything? -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 11/7/03 Tested on: 11/11/03 9:15:31 AM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd reply problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SC Reply quote - I really can #8217;t find what you are referring to. The original message would have been an HTML message. the #8217; is the entity code for '. This is what's in the HTML code as it's not a legal character in HTML and TB! has simply put in the source text of the message in your reply rather than the rendered text. This is a long standing bug with the message handling system in TB! - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... There are 3 kinds of people in this world...those who want things to happen, those that make things happen, and those who just wonder what the hell happened! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBP7ENDNttnLhkydF1EQKsTgCg5K4MqFm08XdLBT0o/TiRz/f6oc4An04D fPZ7RAPH645QdgLuRHGk/gYC =+GSg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives)
Hi Stuart, @11-Nov-2003, 09:15 -0600 (11-Nov 15:15 UK time) Stuart Cuddy said to Nick: -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Stuart. Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.31 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hi Batpersons, On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 3:15:27 PM, we have reason to believe that Stuart Cuddy wrote: SC I downloaded the program and installed it in TB, but how do I make it SC scan anything? Select some spam and use Specials, Mark as Junk; select some non-spam, and use Specials, Mark as not Junk. I used around 50 of each. The non-spam came from a variety of folders to makse sure of a reasonable spread. Refine activity via Options, Preferences, AntiSpam. The Average/Maximal/Minimal stuff only applies if you have more than one spam plug-in. I have my Move to Junk score set at 20, but that's not based on scientific evaluation. It just ended up there and works fine. -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spam rule for more accounts
Hi Douglas, Monday, November 3, 2003, 7:17:58 PM, you wrote: DH Some here prefer to automate the spam process, while I prefer to DH make my decisions on the fly. I skim the message length (double DH digits or triple) as well as the more obvious From, To and Subject DH headers. I don't read them, I just skim and check the messages my DH filter marked for deletion (messages are normally deleted DH automatically after a few days). I indeed would like to automate the process as it's too many handlings I now have to do, (I don't know if that's english but I guess you know what I mean) but in my The Bat! version (1.62r) I can only refer to the external file wilt the strings in 'selective downloads' in the sorting office... What would be the most ideal solution? -- Lex Thoonen Pêng Smart Web Design - http://www.peng.nl Gran Canaria Info - http://www.gran-canaria-info.com Hollandse Nieuwe - http://www.hollandsenieuwe.com tel. +34 680 641 368 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hi Nick, On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, at 17:37:51 [GMT+] (which was Wed, 4:37:51 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Select some spam and use Specials, Mark as Junk; select some non-spam, and use Specials, Mark as not Junk. Where should the Junk folder be placed? Or should it be installed automatically? (Because I do not have it!) I presume by marking mail as Junk, it is automatically placed in that folder? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Justice is lost, Justice is raped, Justice is gone. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Odd reply problem
Hello Stuart, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 10:23:30 AM, you wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 SC Reply quote - I really can #8217;t find what you are referring to. SH The original message would have been an HTML message. the #8217; is SH the entity code for '. This is what's in the HTML code as it's not a SH legal character in HTML and TB! has simply put in the source text of SH the message in your reply rather than the rendered text. This is a SH long standing bug with the message handling system in TB! That explains it. Does the fact that it is a long standing bug mean that it has been officially reported? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 11/7/03 Tested on: 11/11/03 12:46:16 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hello Nick, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 11:37:51 AM, you wrote: NG Hi Batpersons, NG On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 3:15:27 PM, we have NG reason to believe that Stuart Cuddy wrote: SC I downloaded the program and installed it in TB, but how do I make it SC scan anything? NG Select some spam and use Specials, Mark as Junk; select some NG non-spam, and use Specials, Mark as not Junk. That's got it working. Thanks. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 11/7/03 Tested on: 11/11/03 12:48:54 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter question
Hello tbudl, I have added tbudl mailing list address to my address book and it filters into my Inbox Known folder. The Known filter has a check box at he bottom that says Continue processing with other filters. Since I want to have these particular emails go into a seperate folder I have created a rule that sends all tbudl messages to that folder. Unfortunatly they all still end up in the Inbox Known, because the checkmark won't stay in the above mentioned check box. Any ideas or is this a bug. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 11/7/03 Tested on: 11/11/03 1:02:00 PM avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hi Batpersons, On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 6:36:08 PM, we have reason to believe that John Phillips wrote: JP Where should the Junk folder be placed? JP Or should it be installed automatically? (Because I do not have it!) JP I presume by marking mail as Junk, it is automatically placed in JP that folder? Under Options, Preferences, Anti-Spam, there's an option to use the Common Junk Folder; levaing it unchecked creates a Junk folder in each account in which spam is detected (I think - I've only ever had it set checked). The folder is created the first time the plug-in tries to put a message in it. You'll see that you can choose whether to put items identified as spam in the junk folder, in which case they're automatically moved, delete them (self-explanatory) or do nothing. Hope this makes sense. -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question
Hi Stuart, @11-Nov-2003, 13:01 -0600 (11-Nov 19:01 UK time) Stuart Cuddy said: The Known filter has a check box at he bottom that says Continue processing with other filters. Oops. That's a mistake. Once a filter has moved a message out of the inbox, continuation is pointless. The message is no longer there to *be* processed by any other filter! Since I want to have these particular emails go into a seperate folder I have created a rule that sends all tbudl messages to that folder. You'll have to move that one above the Known filter - that's the only way it will ever get to see the messages. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.31 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hi Nick, On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, at 19:11:27 [GMT+] (which was Wed, 6:11:27 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Hope this makes sense. Sure does! Thanks. BTW would a white list also be a helpful thing? Is there such a plug in? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 On the other hand, you have different fingers. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP Status, BayesIt alternatives
Hi Batpersons, On or about, Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 7:51:32 PM, we have reason to believe that John Phillips wrote: JP BTW would a white list also be a helpful thing? That's a subject of much debate; if you're able to keep it up-to-date, I'd say yes. I don't use one myself: I'm not disciplined or organised enough to ensure it's always up-to-date, and I'd rather have a bit more spam than worry about false positives. I should say that neither BayesIt nor the newer Bayesian plug-in have ever given me false positives, and I get maybe 10 spams a week that they don't pick up straight away (as opposed to around 450 a week that they do pick up). The ones that get away are where the spammer's tried an new style/format: don't forget that a Bayesian filter needs examples to work from. If someone comes up with something completely new, it won't be recongised, and you have to tell the filter what it is. JP Is there such a plug in? I don't believe so, although ISTR some discussion about one in the future -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Build 2600 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 2:29:59 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in the message Filter question mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Known filter has a check box at he bottom that says Continue processing with other filters. Oops. That's a mistake. Once a filter has moved a message out of the inbox, continuation is pointless. The message is no longer there to *be* processed by any other filter! Then that box needs to be removed or Continue processing with other filters needs to work. -- Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. If the cops arrest a mime do they tell him or her that he or she has the right to remain silent? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question
Hi Chris, @11-Nov-2003, 17:32 -0500 (11-Nov 22:32 UK time) Chris [C] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: The Known filter has a check box at he bottom that says Continue processing with other filters. ... Once a filter has moved a message out of the inbox, continuation is pointless ... C Then that box needs to be removed or Continue processing with C other filters needs to work. Not at all. The box should (maybe) be disabled if a filter is configured to move messages out of the inbox. But remember that filters do different things when run as a re-filter operation. No, I'm satisfied that the only thing wrong here is the understanding of what the Continue option means in the context of a move filter. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
%WRAPPED macro question
Can anyone tell me: I'm trying to set up a top-posting reply template that wraps original text and adds a ': ' prefix before each line. Like this : sample text I am using Andrew Perevodchik's macro plug-in and this is the expression I've come up with: %WRAPPED=%PREFIX(: ,%TRIM(path to QT that strips text of tags etc)) the PREFIX TRIM macros are Andrew's Now, everything works fine except that the prefix is inserted before each line of the /original/ message, not the newly wrapped message. Can anyone tell me how to get it before each line of the newly wrapped message? Also I can't get the %WRAPPED macro to work otherwise. The expression %WRAPPED=path to QT that strips text of tags etc just doesn't wrap the text Am I doing something wrong? -- TIA, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] More than 3.5 million children across sub-Saharan Africa have lost both parents to AIDS (source: UN 2003) Using The Bat! 2.01.3 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %WRAPPED macro question
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 6:16:17 PM, David Boggon wrote in the message %WRAPPED macro question mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm trying to set up a top-posting reply template that wraps original text and adds a ': ' prefix before each line. Like this : sample text You really should use a right angle bracket (). It is standard across e-mail clients and operation systems. -- Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Is the glass half empty, half full, or twice as large as it needs to be? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
RG Highlighting, deleting, and inserting characters don't work as they RG should either in the MicroEd editor. MDP The cursor will move using the arrow and page keys exactly as it MDP should and in just the same way as it does in every other editor I've MDP used on Windows. Home and End take you to the beginning and end of MDP line respectively and the Shift modifier make the editor select text MDP as it moves the cursor. That's all *exactly* as it should be. Where's MDP your problem? I never did find out what the problem with my MicroEd editor was BUT I did fix it! I saw a tip o' the day that mentioned CTRL-O_C and CTRL-O_K. Not knowing what these keystrokes did I tried them. It is obvious how they cause the editor to block differently. The important thing is that after simply trying them out NOW my MicroEd editor works as I would have supposed it to all along! CRTL-left CRTL-right now block correctly. Inserting works, deleting works. NONE of these basic functions were working before trying CTRL-O_C and CTRL-O_K! I would highlight something and press delete and only the last highlighted character would delete; forget pasting, which NEVER worked. The remaining keystroke oddities are not in the message editor (thankfully) but do still exist when editing fields (TO, CC, BCC, SUBJECT, etc) in the header. There is something I do need to ask about now that (it seems) the editor is working correctly... Why does it automatically move lines of text up to the end of the previous line now? Example: --[space] Rich something becomes: --[space] Rich something If I type almost ANYTHING on those lines! Put a space in, it all becomes one line. Add a line beneath, it all becomes one line. I wish I could find out what was wrong in the first place, but I do not know how to recreate the strangeness I experienced. Thank you all for you gracious patience. -- Rich using MicroEd and learning Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat Alternatives
Hi Rich, @11-Nov-2003, 19:56 -0500 (12-Nov 00:56 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: RG There is something I do need to ask about now that (it seems) the editor RG is working correctly... Why does it automatically move lines of text up RG to the end of the previous line now? RG Example: RG --[space] RG Rich RG something RG becomes: RG --[space] Rich something Aha! An easy one :-). This is how autoformat behaves. It's a little wild and woolly and expects real paragraphs to be separated by blank lines and not be that close. The solution is to toggle autoformat off (you currently have it on) while typing lists or fiddling with sig blocks. Ctrl-Shift-F is the default toggle key. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB IMAP 101
How do I delete messages from the IMAP server? As a matter of reference, does TB allow me to use IMAP in a manner which is similar to POP saving all mail locally and deleting it from the server. Conversely, does TB allow me to use IMAP and store every message on the server, never locally? Finally, does TB allow everything in between, deleting some messages from the server, but keeping them on the client side and vice versa? What are the symbols next to the message counts. * 2 etc? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB IMAP 101
-- Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 9:25:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I delete messages from the IMAP server? As a matter of reference, does TB allow me to use IMAP in a manner which is similar to POP saving all mail locally and deleting it from the server. Conversely, does TB allow me to use IMAP and store every message on the server, never locally? Finally, does TB allow everything in between, deleting some messages from the server, but keeping them on the client side and vice versa? What are the symbols next to the message counts. * 2 etc? Another question... my mail host allows both POP and IMAP connections, but the boxes are connected in some way such that one normal POP fetch would download all mails (deleting them), destroying IMAP. Obviously, I wouldn't delete something I didn't want to, but is the above logic correct? If so, is there anything I can do about this to lessen damage if an accident did occur? I would need to move all the messages back up? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB IMAP 101
-- Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 9:31:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 9:25:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I delete messages from the IMAP server? As a matter of reference, does TB allow me to use IMAP in a manner which is similar to POP saving all mail locally and deleting it from the server. Conversely, does TB allow me to use IMAP and store every message on the server, never locally? Finally, does TB allow everything in between, deleting some messages from the server, but keeping them on the client side and vice versa? What are the symbols next to the message counts. * 2 etc? Another question... my mail host allows both POP and IMAP connections, but the boxes are connected in some way such that one normal POP fetch would download all mails (deleting them), destroying IMAP. Obviously, I wouldn't delete something I didn't want to, but is the above logic correct? If so, is there anything I can do about this to lessen damage if an accident did occur? I would need to move all the messages back up? Don't even bother answering, I'm already done trying to use IMAP (again). I'd rather build a web interface to a local TB installation and until then I can use remote desktop. IMAP is baffling. Any information on TB's mail storage format out there? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
