Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hello Marck, On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:57:37 +0100 GMT (06/04/2004, 12:57 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: TF That's a bug in the list server software then. It should ignore TF any X-headers it doesn't have a clue about. MDP Usually it does - but not these. The list server software finds these particular X-headers suspicious, even though they weren't meant for this server to read. That's still acceptable if you want to prevent spam... TF IMHO. Instead, it chooses to raise an arbitrary alarm that TF cannot even be turned off. MDP Here's why I think they really are suspicious - they are multiple. MDP Surely any X header should only appear once. In these messages there MDP are 6 X-AntiAbuse: headers. That just can't be right! ...but it should be made optional: You should for example be able to put the OP on a whitelist, or to choose to ignore these particular X-headers. While they do look suspicious, it has been established that everything is fine with messages coming from that sender, so without an option to let his messages through automatically, the list server software is at fault. IMHO, of course. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Important warning for aircraft pilots: Teeth that have been improperly filled cause problems with altitude or rapid decompressions. The higher pressure under the filling will cause excruciating pain and in rare instances can cause the tooth to explode. An exploding tooth would be distracting. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Hello Marck, On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:09:14 +0100 GMT (06/04/2004, 14:09 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: TF the list server software is at fault. IMHO, of course. MDP It's open source - you get what you pay for! I didn't know you pay for open source. ;-) MDP I'm not about to rewrite the module myself Now I am really disappointed. :-( MDP and the team responsible don't care so we're stuck with it. In that case, we should just write antoher list server software and compete with them, what do you think? MDP Hence my request to the person whose mails are causing the problem MDP to clean it up at their end. This may be the easiest (and this case sensible) solution indeed. In the future, we should point out that die to a shortcoming blabla and not make it look like it's the sender's fault - but ensure that he understands how to help. I agree with you that no other way seems to be realistic at the moment. MDP I still think that more than one instance of an X-header has to MDP be a violation of RFC. I haven't read up on it yet so CMIIW. I'll read up on that when I have the time. Since I am working on my MBA thesis during today's holiday, searching the RFCs for something not MBA-related might be a welcome break. I cc'ed to TBOT, but don't know whether YahooGroups will accept this address as the secondary address by now. If not, please reply to the OT part of this message (which dwarfs the on-topic part) over there. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Signs Your Co-Worker Is A Hacker: Instead of the Welcome voice on AOL, you overhear, Good Morning, Mr./Mrs. President. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/12 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Dear Thomas, @6-Apr-2004, 13:12 +0700 (06-Apr 07:12 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: TF the list server software is at fault. IMHO, of course. It's open source - you get what you pay for! I'm not about to rewrite the module myself and the team responsible don't care so we're stuck with it. Hence my request to the person whose mails are causing the problem to clean it up at their end. I still think that more than one instance of an X-header has to be a violation of RFC. I haven't read up on it yet so CMIIW. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Your message to TBUDL awaits moderator approval
Dear Thomas, @6-Apr-2004, 14:23 +0700 (06-Apr 08:23 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: TF the list server software is at fault. IMHO, of course. MDP It's open source - you get what you pay for! TF I didn't know you pay for open source. ;-) Precisely! :-). So that's the ultimate worth in terms of value. MDP I'm not about to rewrite the module myself TF Now I am really disappointed. :-( Now I'm at a loss. I hate to think of leaving you in such an emotional state! What to do. What to do? :-( MDP and the team responsible don't care so we're stuck with it. TF In that case, we should just write another list server software TF and compete with them, what do you think? It's a thought, isn't it? Let me think about it a bit more. Okay - I've thought. FORGET IT! ;-). ... snip MDP I still think that more than one instance of an X-header has MDP to be a violation of RFC. I haven't read up on it yet so MDP CMIIW. TF I'll read up on that when I have the time. Since I am working on TF my MBA thesis during today's holiday, searching the RFCs for TF something not MBA-related might be a welcome break. Okay. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit plugin and filters executing order
I just upgraded to TB v2 after a long time on v1.x and started checking out the Bayesit plugin. I noticed that some of my messages that I have filters on (to move them into separate folders) were being flagged as junk mail. I have my filters setup in the following order: Multiple filters for mailing lists, known subject lines, etc. moved into their respective folders. 2nd to the last entry is a KNOWN filter to move all messages from people in my address book into a special folder. Last entry is potential SPAM filter that moves everything that made it this far into a holding folder for later review. I'm assuming that the Bayesit plugin runs against all incoming mail prior to any of the filters, so that's why I am seeing some of my mailing list messages tagged as SPAM. I suppose I could add a bunch of entries to the Bayesit plugin's whitelist, but I hate duplicating what's already in my filters. Just trying to confirm my suspicions ~Mike Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit plugin and filters executing order
Second follow-up question Does the Bayesit plugin merely base it's calculations on the subject and body of the message? Example, say if I subscribe to a mailing list called [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have filters setup to move these messages into a specific folder (based on the sender's address and or the fact that [ABC] would show up in the subject line). Occasionally (well, too often on some lists), a spammer sends some junk mail to the list... if I mark these as JUNK in TB, will it potentially have an effect on legit messages from that group? Perhaps adding the [ABC] from the subject line to the list of words associated with junk mail? Just curious if I should just ignore spam that comes in via a mailing list, or start flagging it as junk for the Bayesit plugin. ~Mike Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Checking mail one account at a time
Does The Bat have the function to check mail one account at a time implemented yet? I thought I saw where a setting was being added so that mail is not checked multi-thread but instead 1 account, then another and so on... -- Scott Windows 2000 The Bat 2.04.7 Popfile Spam Filter http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving messages (ctrl-V)
On Tue 6 April 2004, 14:13:38 +1000, Ken Green wrote: Interesting... I use Ctrl+V all the time, but never have to touch the arrow keys. I have two client folders named with their respective client codes, which happen to be very similar (CCK and CCSRV). Obviously, to get to the correct folder I have to type 3 letters... But it's all down fairly quickly using Ctrl+V and typing the letters. Note that I am still using 1.62r - is it necessary to use the down arrow in v2?? No. What you are doing continues to work in v2. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit plugin and filters executing order
Hello bats, on Tue, 6. Apr 2004 at 10:44:42 -0700 Michael R Kizer wrote: Does the Bayesit plugin merely base it's calculations on the subject and body of the message? on the raw content/source of the mail, ie all words. a spammer sends some junk mail to the list... if I mark these as JUNK in TB, will it potentially have an effect on legit messages from that group? Perhaps adding the [ABC] from the subject line to the list of words associated with junk mail? It will notice that [ABC] has been used for spam, but significantly less than for legit mail. So, [ABC] would still belong to the group Ham, not Spam. Just curious if I should just ignore spam that comes in via a mailing list, or start flagging it as junk for the Bayesit plugin. No, you should mark every spam. This way a Bayesian filter will catch also the spams sent to a list (because of other words that belong to the Spam group). -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit plugin and filters executing order
Hello bats, on Tue, 6. Apr 2004 at 10:24:26 -0700 Michael R Kizer wrote: I'm assuming that the Bayesit plugin runs against all incoming mail prior to any of the filters, so that's why I am seeing some of my mailing list messages tagged as SPAM. Correct. I suppose I could add a bunch of entries to the Bayesit plugin's whitelist, but I hate duplicating what's already in my filters. AFAIK Bayesit is not able (due to the plugin API) to insert headers into the mail (eg with a spam score). If that was possible you could remove the tickmark in the Spam plugin config to move the mail into Junk folder and filter on that Bayesit-headers. Nevertheless you should re-train Bayesit with the mails it got wrong and you probably won't notice it, if they get filtered correctly anyway. So, with the current setup you are somehow forced to re-train and that's good for Bayesit's learning capabilities. I for myself use POPFile, which uses the same approach (Bayesian), but is a lot more useful, as it can have as many buckets as you want. Eg, I have spam, english, german, admin and PGP. Accuracy is 99.62% for 28293 mails - which is awesome. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc lifted with The Bat! 2.05 Beta/14 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
thebat.IPC
Huh? I am sending a bunch of start-up parameters to TB, but TB fails to execute them. The commands just pile up in the thebat.IPC-file - why is that? Deleting or emptying thebat.IPC does not fix it. Exiting the TB and then restart does not fix it. Rebooting the entire PC fixes it - but that's not elegant! Is this a known problem? -- St Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thebat.IPC
Deleting or emptying thebat.IPC does not fix it. Exiting the TB and then restart does not fix it. Rebooting the entire PC fixes it - but that's not elegant! That is, some sort of a _combination_ of 1 and 2 works: Deleting thebat.IPC fixes it when TB is restarted (no reboot is necessary). Note: I am using TB for several _unattended_ tasks - I am not present in front of that given machine. Hence, a manual shut- down is not possible unless I tell someone to drop by to kick TB - AND: The problem though is that /EXIT won't work when the problem is present. One has to exit TB _manually_ - so using /EXIT in an Office Rule won't work. TB is forever ignoring start-up commands until another rule tells my system to shutdown.exe -r -f -t 1... There must be a reason why TB loses interest in executing the commands - and this should be fixed! -- St Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving messages (ctrl-V)
Robin Anson wrote: No. What you are doing continues to work in v2. Then Nick's original post doesn't make much sense (to me, at least) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
