Re: Undelete? Used for...?
Hi Stefan, just now (on 05/18/2005 at 01:08) you commented: Does this mean that deleted messages will be visible in the main window and identified by strikeout text? Yes, something like this... Great Stefan! -- Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Threading
Hello Steve, Where would we download this version? Is that the beta version or the current live download? It supposed to be available this Monday, but we ain't finished with fixes yet, so I suppose, the version will become available by the end of this week as a post-release. -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
On Wed, 18 May 2005 01:25:06 +0200, Steve Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to easily identify emails from this group trapped in our spam filters can all subject fields please be prefixed with [The Bat!] if you have control over the emailer software used? OMG please don't! We can perfectly filter on either recipient and/or reply-to address, the last thing I need is superfluous subject littering done by the listserver ...Baggins we hates that. :-) I would hate to accidentally report genuine emails as spam at Spamcop for instance. You should think about your antispam solution if its dependent on a subject tag to work reliably. ;-) -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve, On Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 1:25:06 AM Steve [SL] wrote: SL In order to easily identify emails from this group trapped in our spam SL filters can all subject fields please be prefixed with [The Bat!] if SL you have control over the emailer software used? the idea might sound simple and great, iow really efficient, BUT: what prevents spam from being sent with exactly this phrase in the subject? Right, nothing. The best way to not falsely identify mails on this list as spam is to match the Return-Path against received lines, because all this lists mail have a Return-Path of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and are coming from '62.80.28.8' which identifies itself as 'draenor.its-toasted.org'. In SpamAssassin-Syntax therefore a setting of whitelist_from_rcvd [EMAIL PROTECTED] will give mails coming through this list -100 scores and therewith pretty successfully prevent them from being tagged as spam. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Cynicism is intellectual dandyism. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mailbase stored on Server: slow shutdown
Hello List, I've got my Mailbase-folder on a network drive on our server to be able to access it from different computers in the network. I noticed that when I close TB!, the process stays active for nearly 20-30 seconds (100MBit net). As I looked deeper I saw that TB! updates the files in the Mailbase bit by bit (saw it from the Modified date in explorer) with a tranfer rate of 40-50 kBit... Can anybody confirm this? -- Martin TB! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailbase stored on Server: slow shutdown
Hallo Martin, On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:48:23 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 9:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M I noticed that when I close TB!, the process stays active for nearly M 20-30 seconds (100MBit net). As I looked deeper I saw that TB! updates M the files in the Mailbase bit by bit (saw it from the Modified date M in explorer) with a tranfer rate of 40-50 kBit... What happens if you start using the current release in stead of an obsolete beta? Is the behavior you describe related to purge and compress on exit? -- Groetjes, Roelof No one can think clearly with clenched fists. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgpSqJxc8Yone.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [The Bat!] Tree folder oddity
The only oddity I have noticed it that if you click below (on the vertical scroll bar) or right (on the horizontal scroll bar) of the grab bar, it will scroll too far. Yes - it moves the window up a whole window depth rather than just to the bottom of the actual contents... IYSWIM ...and then when it has done hat and let a load of white space underneath...if you click ON the scroll bar the view is shifted to where it should have been: i.e: with the bottom of the contents at the bottom of the window. It is, evidently, a bug and I wonderif someone with knowledge of the bug system would more efficiently (than I) report it. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.5 with POPFile 0.22.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mailbase stored on Server: slow shutdown
Hello Roelof, M I noticed that when I close TB!, the process stays active for nearly M 20-30 seconds (100MBit net). As I looked deeper I saw that TB! updates M the files in the Mailbase bit by bit (saw it from the Modified date M in explorer) with a tranfer rate of 40-50 kBit... What happens if you start using the current release in stead of an obsolete beta? Thanks for pointing this out: the machine I wrote from was in fact the last one I did not update yet...but the same thing happens on the machines with 3.5 final installed. Had this in 3.0.1 too. Is the behavior you describe related to purge and compress on exit? Don't think so. The Compressing folders dialog on exit comes and goes away very quickly. Now I unchecked the compress and delete checkboxes in every account and every single mail folder. Still it takes the same time to shutdown. I just can't image what TB! does there, and why it does it at such a slow data transfer rate! -- Martin TB! 3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [The Bat!] Tree folder oddity
Hello Marten, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 1:58:04 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or is the left-hand folder view behaving oddly. I mean when it is opened so that folder tree is longer vertically than the pane and the scroll bar comes into operation (or not). It isreally difficult to put into words what is happening but the scroll bar action - like clicking in the empty scroll bar space / dragging the bar up and down is just not behaving as it does normally. Hum, maybe connected to my problem? 1. Firstly all the e-mail accounts in the tree list are closed and I'm at the top, everything fits inside the window so no scrollbars. 2. Then I expand one of the accounts (not the first) that had a couple of folders. Enough folders to enable scrollbars. 3. Then I scoll down (the account still visible), and close it. 4. Since everything fits in the window the scrollbars dissapear, but it does not scoll up again, so I have to use the scrollwheel on the mouse to scroll up to the top again. One other thing is when in 3. click on the empty lower scollbar space, and it will scroll much more than if just using the scrollbar handle. -- /Fredrik The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Why can't you just sort on list email adresses?!? You can not rely on each user to insert a tag - it won't work! I was not asking each user to insert a tag, I was asking the operator of the mailing list to do it. That is how Yahoo Groups works and it is very effective. I use Spamcop for filtering rather than TB or any other local product as I find Spamcop usually very accurate with very few false positives but I found 24 trapped messages from this group yesterday where I might expect to find only 1 or 2 and identifying them so I can whitelist them would have been easier the way I describe. I realise that if I am the only one with this problem that is no reason for the mailing list host to spend time on it. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal for spam filters
You should think about your antispam solution if its dependent on a subject tag to work reliably. It is not the anti-spam solution that requires the subject tag, it is to make it easier to manually scan for trapped (false positive) messages so they can be identified and the sender whitelisted. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal for spam filters
the idea might sound simple and great, iow really efficient, BUT: what prevents spam from being sent with exactly this phrase in the subject? We use Yahoo Groups for the SWREG mailing list and every email that Yahoo Groups sends out has [SWREG] inserted at the beginning of every message subject field. On the odd occasion when one of these messages is trapped at Spamcop it is really easy to spot so that I do not accidentally report the sender for spamming and whitelist him so I can receive future emails sent by that sender. To date I have ever seen a spam with [SWREG] at the beginning and do not expect to in reality. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal for spam filters
The best way to not falsely identify mails on this list as spam is to match the Return-Path against received lines, because all this lists mail have a Return-Path of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and are coming from '62.80.28.8' which identifies itself as 'draenor.its-toasted.org'. You are assuming I am using TB or a plug in to do spam filtering. Personally I do not even wish to download spams or viruses in the first place which is why I have server side filtering via Spamcop (which also includes Spam Assassin but I can not control their copy of course). -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Steve, On 18-05-2005 01:25, you [SL] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SL In order to easily identify emails from this group trapped in our SL spam filters can all subject fields please be prefixed with [The SL Bat!] if you have control over the emailer software used? Please don't. Most people - as you can see - have even employed macros to remove these annoying subject prefixes. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Special folders
Hello tbudl, I've renamed a couple of folders on my IMAP server so I can take advantage of some TB! icons: $KNOWN$ Inbox - Known $JUNK$ Junk mail Is there a special folder for virus infected files? -- As ever, .\\artin J. Webster Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. ALDOUS HUXLEY ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC9 IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve. --On 18 May 2005 10:43 +0100 you wrote about Re[2]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters: That is how Yahoo Groups works and it is very effective. TBOT is a Yahoo group list and I've never seen anything like extra subject tags in any subject line? Just the standard subject as typed. -- Tony. M. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Special folders
Hello Martin. --On 18 May 2005 11:20 +0100 you wrote about Special folders: Is there a special folder for virus infected files? $ANTIBIOTIC$ ? -- Tony. M. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Special folders
Hello all, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, Martin Webster on tbudl wrote: I've renamed a couple of folders on my IMAP server so I can take advantage of some TB! icons: $KNOWN$ Inbox - Known $JUNK$ Junk mail Is there a special folder for virus infected files? yes, $QRNTN$ -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: Proposal for spam filters
On Wed, 18 May 2005 11:45:21 +0200, Steve Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should think about your antispam solution if its dependent on a subject tag to work reliably. It is not the anti-spam solution that requires the subject tag, it is to make it easier to manually scan for trapped (false positive) messages so they can be identified and the sender whitelisted. But then again, the antispam solution you're using shouldn't catch on TBUDlist messages... if it does, it would be interesting to see which parameter raises the spam probability level of a list message - and correct that error of the spam filter. [I know why I turned every server side spam filtering OFF - you can never be sure what it does if you don't have full control over the set of rules] -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Steve Lee: I use Spamcop for filtering rather than TB or any other local product as I find Spamcop usually very accurate with very few false positives but I found 24 trapped messages from this group yesterday where I might expect to find only 1 or 2 and identifying them so I can whitelist them would have been easier the way I describe. I also use SpamCop - but I probably use it in a *very* different way than other SpamCop-users. I use SpamCop in a nominative way. I would say that SpamCop does a pretty good job, BUT if you enable something like list.dsbl.org you will see quite a lot of false identifying. What I do is to nominate the SpamCop/SpamAssassin blocked messages and then value them against my own system etc. That most often lets legit mail thru even when they would have been blocked SpamCop/SpamAssassin. At the same time, spam would be blocked since spammy messages almost always have something in there that shows they are spam or virus noise. It has taken me some time (2 years or so) to develop my anti-spam system, and I am happy to see it has about 99.7 percent S/N Ratio. Personally, it gives me a good feeling being able to fight spam this effective. Roman Katzer: Neat. Can you post it somewhere? With it's source maybe? Sorry, but at this time the system is not easily installable. It would require special support from me, and I don't have the time. The features are many - but undocumented... ;/ As is, the system is not even having a decent GUI - I administrate the system by updating files and registry settings. Since I know my system, that way of maintaining it is just as fast, I guess... :) -- St Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve,
On 18 May 2005, 10:49 you wrote:
The best way to not falsely identify mails on this list as spam is to
match the Return-Path against received lines, because all this lists
mail have a Return-Path of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and are
coming from '62.80.28.8' which identifies itself as
'draenor.its-toasted.org'.
You are assuming I am using TB or a plug in to do spam filtering.
Personally I do not even wish to download spams or viruses in the
first place which is why I have server side filtering via Spamcop
(which also includes Spam Assassin but I can not control their copy of
course).
I use the following procmail rule to filter TBUDL, TBBETA etc.
# ---
# Mailman and other intelligent software lists
# (e.g. List-Post: mailto:tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com)
#
:0
* ^List-Post: \mailto:\/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| ${FORMAIL} -a X-Folder: $MATCH mail/Lists/$MATCH
To date, I have never had spam end up in my TB! folders. However, I
have had SpamAssassin incorrectly classify a couple of genuine
messages but these get to the correct folder using the above rule... I
tend to test for lists before generic spam (other than fake messages,
mailing lists etc.)
The use of subject tags is therefore redundant even though many lists
to which I subscribe use them.
--
As ever,
.\\artin | ICQ 15893823
There can't be a crisis next week. My schedule is full. HENRY
KISSINGER
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Re[2]: Special folders
Hello Marek, On 18 May 2005, 11:30 you wrote: yes, $QRNTN$ Cheers! -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 I must follow them. I am their leader! ANDREW BONAR LAW ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC9 IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Hello Tony, That is how Yahoo Groups works and it is very effective. TBOT is a Yahoo group list and I've never seen anything like extra subject tags in any subject line? Just the standard subject as typed. It is an optional configuration setting in each group/mailing list. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
new filtering bug in 3.5
I made a new filter sending new mail from my inbox directly to trash. Re-filtered. Not wanting the you shouldn't keep mail in the inbox lecture, but I had a message parked in there so another filter would not send it directly to the trash. Well, on refiltering, the parked message got deleted. I ended up parked in the trash. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Alexander S. Kunz: But then again, the antispam solution you're using shouldn't catch on TBUDlist messages... if it does, it would be interesting to see which parameter raises the spam probability level of a list message - and correct that error of the spam filter. SpamCop allows you to whitelist Senders, not Recipients. That's why I set my SpamCop user to pass on the messages as they are received, but with an added header line that inidcates SpamCop/SpamAssassin's findings. Alexander S. Kunz: [I know why I turned every server side spam filtering OFF - you can never be sure what it does if you don't have full control over the set of rules] And that's why I created my own system - nowadays I use external anti-spam services nominatively; I don't allow them to decide whether a message is spam, but rather as indicators that yes, this is very likely a spam. For example - a message that is blocked in SpamCop will be receiving a *very* high spam score (just some points under some preset threshold) - and then, if my system finds chickenpoxes like v1agr@ in there, the spam score will certainly exceed the Spam Score Threshold - and it's a spam. This system fails very, very rarely. Martin Webster: I tend to test for lists before generic spam (other than fake messages, mailing lists etc.). The use of subject tags is therefore redundant even though many lists to which I subscribe use them. That's how I do it, too. -- St Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Low Quality Address Book Icons
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris typed on: May 17, 2005 at 23:01:07 GMT -0400 C Does anyone else notice that the Address Book icons (in the left-hand C column) are a low quality when using the default theme? Yes it is a known issue. It seems to be a problem only in Windows98 and Windows 2000. XP does not seem to have the problem. No one seems to have a solution so far. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Hello TBUDL, can someone tell me the shortcut to copy the message ID from the selected message to the clipboard? -- Regards,, Ralph Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question about LDAP - a little OT...
Hello TBUDL, i'm starting to prepare for my studies abroad and try to get as much stuff online and available from anywhere i wish to (bookmarks with Spurl.net, emails with IMAP). The only thing missing now, would be to get my address book online. Could this be done with LDAP? If yes, did someone try that? I would need some pracitcal experiences and some tips how to proceed... Well, i hope i didn't hurt the list's rules now... -- Regards,, Ralph Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Dear Ralph, @18-May-2005, 14:18 +0200 (18-May 13:18 UK time) Ralph Inselsbacher [RI] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RI can someone tell me the shortcut to copy the message ID from RI the selected message to the clipboard? There isn't one :-(. You have to view the message headers or message source and copy the ID from there. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp49wcyB4duE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Hallo Marck, 2005/05/18 you wrote: Dear Ralph, @18-May-2005, 14:18 +0200 (18-May 13:18 UK time) Ralph Inselsbacher [RI] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RI can someone tell me the shortcut to copy the message ID from RI the selected message to the clipboard? There isn't one :-(. You have to view the message headers or message source and copy the ID from there. i wanted to believe that, if i wasn't that sure, that there was such a shortcut and that i used for some time. But as time as goes without TB! for some time (TBUDL may forgive me that ;-)), i simply forgot it. I was sure, it was a rather strange combination of keys - that's all i remember... -- Regards,, Ralph Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [The Bat!] Tree folder oddity
Hello Fredrik, A reminder of what Fredrik Bergström typed on: May 18, 2005 at 10:44:41 GMT +0200 Is it just me or is the left-hand folder view behaving oddly. I mean when it is opened so that folder tree is longer vertically than the pane and the scroll bar comes into operation (or not). It isreally difficult to put into words what is happening but the scroll bar action - like clicking in the empty scroll bar space / dragging the bar up and down is just not behaving as it does normally. FB Hum, maybe connected to my problem? FB 1. Firstly all the e-mail accounts in the tree list are closed and I'm at FB the top, everything fits inside the window so no scrollbars. FB 2. Then I expand one of the accounts (not the first) that had a couple FB of folders. Enough folders to enable scrollbars. FB 3. Then I scoll down (the account still visible), and close it. FB 4. Since everything fits in the window the scrollbars dissapear, but it FB does not scoll up again, so I have to use the scrollwheel on the FB mouse to scroll up to the top again. FB One other thing is when in 3. click on the empty lower scollbar FB space, and it will scroll much more than if just using the scrollbar FB handle. Yes these issues have been around for the whole beta series. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
TBOT is a Yahoo group list and I've never seen anything like extra subject tags in any subject line? Just the standard subject as typed. It is a configurable option, by default it displays. Ineterestingly enough this very thread has [TBUDL] at the beginning of the subject field. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Proposal for spam filters
But then again, the antispam solution you're using shouldn't catch on TBUDlist messages... if it does, it would be interesting to see which parameter raises the spam probability level of a list message - and correct that error of the spam filter. Spamcop as an option takes information from different blacklists that use different parameters. Overall I find the system superb, s you can imagine, SWREG generates lots of spam and virus attempts and we had very few false positives until suddenly I get a number from users of this mailing list. Not a problem because once I have identified and whitelisted a given participant the problem goes away but identification is made easier with the prefix I proposed. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Low Quality Address Book Icons
Hello Ian, A reminder of what Ian A. White typed on: May 18, 2005 at 22:29:57 GMT +1000 IAW Well, there is a distinct lack of quality on my WinXP system :-( That's odd. Most complaints have come from Win 98 and 2000 users. I wonder, given the thread we read yesterday about someone making a change to the acceleration settings of their video card may point in a different direction. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [The Bat!] Tree folder oddity
Hello Marten! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 3:31 AM, you wrote: Yes - it moves the window up a whole window depth rather than just to the bottom of the actual contents... IYSWIM ...and then when it has done hat and let a load of white space underneath...if you click ON the scroll bar the view is shifted to where it should have been: i.e: with the bottom of the contents at the bottom of the window. It is, evidently, a bug and I wonderif someone with knowledge of the bug system would more efficiently (than I) report it. Was noted already on TBBETA during the 3.5 beta series. Currently being discussed in a thread on TBBETA. Is identified as part of the current work-in-progress GUI rather than a bug. If we're lucky it may be part of the post-release fixes that Stefan Tanurkov said he supposes they may have ready for us by the end of this week. :) mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[4]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve. --On 18 May 2005 13:50 +0100 you wrote about Re[4]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters: Ineterestingly enough this very thread has [TBUDL] at the beginning of the subject field. Only because some poor gullible soul took you too seriously :) I used to belong to a list that had [ACD] prefixed to every subject line and I hated it, I think it looks messy as does Re(2), Re:Re(4) etc. No offense meant of course. %SINGLERE in your template will cure that. I personally have only ever seen two, three at most spam sent to these lists and they were by pure accident so I don't even run my bat lists account through Mailwasher Pro. -- Tony. M. pgpFeaYf1ceJs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve. --On 18 May 2005 13:53 +0100 you wrote about Re[4]: Proposal for spam filters: I get a number from users of this mailing list. Would it not be better for you to find out why they are being falsely classified as spam rather than to expect them to do it for you? Like I said before, spam very, very rarely gets to these lists so why not just add the complete domain @thebat.dutaint.com to your whitelist? That way no one will be falsely classified and *if* any true spam gets through it's just a matter of blacklisting it. Blacklisting 1 or 2 spam every 2 or 3 years must be easier than expecting dozens of individuals to change their habits of a lifetime overnight? -- Tony. M. pgpgJW5yE65fn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Horizontal line under account names in v3.5
Dear Ritlabs, If I can post a question/request about that horizontal line in v3.5 under the account names: how can I eliminate that? Make a poll, (I made), 70% of the users find it annoying... If it is not possible to eliminate that line, please make it possible to eliminate in the next release. Thank you for reading, -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Hello Ralph, can someone tell me the shortcut to copy the message ID from the selected message to the clipboard? Try Ctrl+Ins while you're in the message list :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Horizontal line under account names in v3.5
Reply to message sent 5/18/2005, @ 15:15:13 (8:15 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Vili, If it is not possible to eliminate that line, please make it possible to eliminate in the next release. You know, I kinda like something to separate the different accounts but to be honest the darn underline makes my eyes shift the account name upward into the account it's not associated with. Personally, I'd like to see it used in between accounts and not as an account name underline. -- t'hy'la, ò¸ó Nick Danger [MUA: The Bat! v3.5] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Hello Tony, %SINGLERE in your template will cure that. Or Account/Properties/Templates/Reply and deselect 'Use reply numbering in the subject line'. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.5 major bug!
On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:48:34 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I just set one of my accounts to user without any further priviledges. I could send a new message just fine. I confirm Allister's problem. Any attempt to create or reply to or forward emails produces mulitple AVs. This makes 3.5 unusable for me and I have reverted to 3.0.1.33 Another thing: if I click in the Quick Search panel and press ESC the panel disappears. Obviously I can get it back using 'Customise' but surely this behaviour isn't intended? I'm using Windows 2000 SP4 -- Andrew Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.5 major bug!
Hello Andrew, A reminder of what Andrew Cauthery typed on: May 18, 2005 at 13:48:29 GMT +0100 AC Another thing: if I click in the Quick Search panel and press ESC the AC panel disappears. Obviously I can get it back using 'Customise' but surely AC this behaviour isn't intended? Confirmed. This should not be happening. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Undelete? Used for...?
Hello Vili, One request, and please take this seriously: this feature should be able to be switched on and off. I made a quick poll on Hungarian users, ca. 50 % said it is a very good feature, the other half said that it would disturb them. Count me in the other half :-) That's why it's not implemented yet and that's why it will be optional... -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Stefan Tanurkov wrote on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:20:18 PM (680 Beats) in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Ralph, can someone tell me the shortcut to copy the message ID from the selected message to the clipboard? Try Ctrl+Ins while you're in the message list :-) This is what i get then: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]from=Stefan%20Tanurkovfolder=\xxxsubject=Re:%20Shortcut%20to%20copy%20Message%20ID?date=20050518152017size=2847uid=473 where xxx is the complete path to my IMAP folder. -- Regards, Ralph Running The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Hello Ralph, This is what i get then: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]from=Stefan%20Tanurkovfolder=\xxxsubject=Re:%20Shortcut%20to%20copy%20Message%20ID?date=20050518152017size=2847uid=473 where xxx is the complete path to my IMAP folder. Such URLs are used in TB! internally for making links to messages in scheduler and the Log file, you may easily make a mid URL out of it :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shortcut to copy Message ID?
Stefan Tanurkov wrote on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:50:58 PM (701 Beats) in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Such URLs are used in TB! internally for making links to messages in scheduler and the Log file, you may easily make a mid URL out of it :-) Thank you. I found a template called mid, but i didn't know anymore, what it was supposed to do. Now i remember, CTRL-INS to get the link into the clipboard and mid CTRL-SPACE to paste it into a mail as a properly formatted message ID. I knew, I was right 'bout that shortcut... -- Regards, Ralph Running The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message Editor
Hello tbudl, Is it possible to print from the Smartbat? If so, how? -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Only because some poor gullible soul took you too seriously :) I have reason to belive I am that gullible person, thank you! Please notice that the [TBUDL] tag was automagically added to the subject line by the software I am running here on my PCs. And when replying to the original message I chose to leave it in there. -- St Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT: Re: Question about LDAP - a little OT...
Hello Ralph, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:25:14 AM, you wrote: R The only thing missing now, would be to get my address book online. R Could this be done with LDAP? If yes, did someone try that? I would R need some pracitcal experiences and some tips how to proceed... Can you have an LDAP addressbook online: Yes Can TB access an on-line LDAP addressbook: Yes Here's where your problem is going to be. You are going to need a server with an LDAP service installed on it which either allows you to own a particular OU (Organizational Unit) with a login and password. or you're going to have to install an LDAP server on a server you own. To date, I don't recall any free services out there providing LDAP services, but I never really looked either. If there aren't any, you're going to have to do it yourself. Now, your bigger problem lies in the fact that TB doesn't have the capability to update or create new LDAP entries. It reads existing ones just fine, but if you want to do anything else you'll need an additional piece of software which can do updates and inserts. I've CC'd this response to TBOT so we can pick up the conversation there if you'd like to delve into it a bit more. R Well, i hope i didn't hurt the list's rules now... The occasional SOT is expected just long as we continue it on TBOT we'll be good! grin -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.5 major bug!
Hello Stuart, AC Another thing: if I click in the Quick Search panel and press ESC the AC panel disappears. Obviously I can get it back using 'Customise' but surely AC this behaviour isn't intended? Confirmed. This should not be happening. It may be the intended behaviour (I think it is) if the Quick Search is not docked with the other toolbar(s). You automatically get Quick Search if you start typing while focus is on the message list. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new filtering bug in 3.5
Hello Dwight, Well, on refiltering, the parked message got deleted. I ended up parked in the trash. Did the filter have a 'move' or a 'delete' action? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new filtering bug in 3.5
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 10:24:47 AM, MAU wrote: Well, on refiltering, the parked message got deleted. I ended up parked in the trash. Did the filter have a 'move' or a 'delete' action? I'm not sure what filter it was, and it's long enough ago I'd play heck trying to find it in the log. (not even at location of that machine right now), but I assume/believe it had move message to folder (trash), mark message as read, and delete message from server. I would have thought that the fact the message is parked would have overridden the move message. I thought maybe in effect it copied the message, but it was gone from the inbox. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Horizontal line under account names in v3.5
Hello Group On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 2:22:07 PM, Nick wrote: Personally, I'd like to see it used in between accounts and not as an account name underline. Well I thought it was an excellent improvement until I read your mail, now I can't make up my mind if it's in the right place or not :-( -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[3]: Undelete? Used for...?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 02:08 AM +0300, you wrote: Does this mean that deleted messages will be visible in the main window and identified by strikeout text? Yes, something like this... Fabulous. :) I love this with IMAP. Deleting now becomes a toggle-able action. Undeleting a message becomes a snap. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Hi Tony, On 18/05/2005 11:24 AM +0100, you wrote: TBOT is a Yahoo group list and I've never seen anything like extra subject tags in any subject line? Just the standard subject as typed. It was specifically administered to do that. Subject prefixing isn't an imposed feature for all Yahoo group lists. It's an optional feature that the administrator is at liberty to enable or disable. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.5 major bug!
Hello MAU, A reminder of what MAU typed on: May 18, 2005 at 17:23:11 GMT +0200 M It may be the intended behaviour (I think it is) if the Quick Search is M not docked with the other toolbar(s). You automatically get Quick Search M if you start typing while focus is on the message list. Try it with a docked Quick Search that is visible all the time. It still disappears. I agree when it appears upon typing it should disappear on Escape. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Horizontal line under account names in v3.5
Hello Nick Danger everyone else, on 18-Mai-2005 at 15:22 you (Nick Danger) wrote: You know, I kinda like something to separate the different accounts but to be honest the darn underline makes my eyes shift the account name upward into the account it's not associated with. Personally, I'd like to see it used in between accounts and not as an account name underline. I totally agree with you. Thought about making that wish myself, but its only a minor optical issue, so I thought it could wait. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down I was convulsed with laughter. Someday I intend reading it. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Proposal for spam filters
Hello St - Musaic.Net everyone else, on 18-Mai-2005 at 14:11 you (St - Musaic.Net) wrote: SpamCop allows you to whitelist Senders, not Recipients. Its a known fact that many inferior spamfilters have problems dealing with mailing lists, yes. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The truth is that those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded. -- Herbert Spencer Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve Lee everyone else, on 18-Mai-2005 at 14:53 you (Steve Lee) wrote: I get a number from users of this mailing list That may (partly) be because server side spam killers (SA for sure, don't know about others) still handle the X-Mailer: header entry The Bat! (version_number) as FORGED_MUA - especially if the header contains the version number of a beta version and the SA administration hasn't updated its ruleset, messages will get an increased spam rating because of this header. IMHO its a total waste of time and effort to include the MUA identification into a spam classification engine (let alone the embarrasment on the victim side of that practice). All the spam I get has a perfectly valid X-Mailer: header which contains Outlook Express or some other crap a valid version number. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) There is virtually nothing that has come from molecular biology that can be of any value to human living in the conventional sense of what is good, and quite tremendous possibilities of evil... -- Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[5]: Undelete? Used for...?
Count me in the other half :-) That's why it's not implemented yet and that's why it will be optional Oh! I'm the other half to you and I'd really like to see this feature. -- Clive Taylor Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.5 major bug!
Hello Stuart, Try it with a docked Quick Search that is visible all the time. It still disappears. You are right. Sorry, I had not tried that. I never have it docked. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new filtering bug in 3.5
Hello Dwight, I'm not sure what filter it was, and it's long enough ago I'd play heck trying to find it in the log. (not even at location of that machine right now), but I assume/believe it had move message to folder (trash), mark message as read, and delete message from server. I would have thought that the fact the message is parked would have overridden the move message. I thought maybe in effect it copied the message, but it was gone from the inbox. I'm not 100% sure, I'd have to verify it, but I thing a Move action will move a parked message and should be parked at the destination folder. I'll have to test that later, can't fiddle with my filters now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Re: Question about LDAP - a little OT...
Leif Gregory wrote on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:16:08 PM (761 Beats) in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: To date, I don't recall any free services out there providing LDAP services, but I never really looked either. If there aren't any, you're going to have to do it yourself. Thanx for your info; this would have been my next question... -- Regards, Ralph Running The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Wednesday, May 18, 2005, Steve Lee wrote: It is not the anti-spam solution that requires the subject tag, it is to make it easier to manually scan for trapped (false positive) messages so they can be identified and the sender whitelisted. I fail to see why this would be a good thing in the TB mailing lists. TB gives you functionality very much like that. Create a virtual folder that looks for TB mailing list addresses in the junk folder. -- Urban It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg invented removable type and the Bible. Another important invention was the circulation of blood. Sir Walter Raleigh is a historical figure because he invented cigarettes and started smoking. And Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100 foot clipper. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Mailbase stored on Server: slow shutdown
Martin, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 3:48:23 AM, you wrote: MS Hello List, MS I've got my Mailbase-folder on a network drive on our server to be MS able to access it from different computers in the network. MS I noticed that when I close TB!, the process stays active for nearly MS 20-30 seconds (100MBit net). As I looked deeper I saw that TB! updates MS the files in the Mailbase bit by bit (saw it from the Modified date MS in explorer) with a tranfer rate of 40-50 kBit... MS Can anybody confirm this? I had a similar problem where I was using a folder on my server and had set it to be 'offline' so it would be available always (on my laptop). It would take over 2 minutes to end in the Task Manager. I wrote about it (Nov 7, 2004). Received some replies but nothing that helped the situation. I gave up and put the files locally. Now I do a nightly backup for security. I'd love to hear it if you find anything out. -- Michael Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Editor
[Dit is een reply op bericht Message Editor van 18-5-2005, 16:32] Hi Stuart, If all else fails, open SmartBat.TXT in your 'mail'-folder and print that. -- Best regards, Rob Mebus File(s) attached: none __ © 2005 Rob Mebus, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [18-5-2005 --- 21:04:20] using The Bat! 3.5 __ Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. - Oscar Wilde __ On woensdag 18 mei 2005, 16:32:08 Stuart Cuddy wrote the following: S Hello tbudl, S Is it possible to print from the Smartbat? If so, how? Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using advanced secure methods of sending/receiving email
Hi, Perhaps silly questions, sorry for asking them ... I recently acquired a Aladdin EToken. Before with my Ikey, in the sending authentication and receiving authentication part of the transport section of a mail account I could find options such as : - Store password on the token, Token MD-5 CRAM-HMAC Challenge/Response, - and biometric options... They are no longer visible since I installed my EToken is it normal ? With Etoken, how e-mail communication is secured ? Greetings, -- Claude Renaud Skype : Name : renaud_claude Number : 0870445179 Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Low Quality Address Book Icons
Ian A. White @ 2005-May-18 8:29:57 AM Low Quality Address Book Icons mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone else notice that the Address Book icons (in the left-hand column) are a low quality when using the default theme? XP does not seem to have the problem. No one seems to have a solution so far. Well, there is a distinct lack of quality on my WinXP system :-( What graphics card do you have? It seems as if it may be a graphics card issue. All those who have reported it thus far have been using ATI cards, if I remember correctly. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons. pgpfEmnxeC40G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve, On Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 11:49:29 AM Steve [SL] wrote: The best way to not falsely identify mails on this list as spam is to match the Return-Path against received lines, because all this lists mail have a Return-Path of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and are coming from '62.80.28.8' which identifies itself as 'draenor.its-toasted.org'. SL You are assuming I am using TB or a plug in to do spam filtering. I don't. I was talking about SpamAssassin, not The Bat! ... SL Personally I do not even wish to download spams or viruses in the SL first place which is why I have server side filtering For viruses I do have to, but having to crawl through trapped spam messages on server side, just to release the probable false positives I'm too lazy for. I therefore just tag spam and filter by simply The Bat! filters and verify locally if a false positive was caught. SL via Spamcop (which also includes Spam Assassin but I can not SL control their copy of course). That's odd. But can't you see the recipient in the list of trapped spam? This way you can free mails to '@thebat.dutaint.com', instead of these with 'TBUDL' in subject?!? -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Sattinger's Law: It works better if you plug it in. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Usage of %CLEAR macro in QTs
Hello everyone, the helpfile says that the %CLEAR macro, when used in a quick template, clears all previously generated/created text. Thats exactly what I need. [I wanted to create a TOFU quick template for the rare occasions where I need it (TOFU is a hybrid german english abbreweryiation meaning Text Oben, Fullquote Unten - in other words, Outlook style] However, when I create a QT with %CLEAR as the first line and insert it with its handle in a reply, the originally generated text (with the default template) is *not* cleared. It looks to me as if the %CLEAR macro clears only the text *below* the current cursor position. However, I want to type tofu CTRL+Space no matter where I am in the message and have the existing text replaced with my QT. Am I doing something wrong, is this a bug, is this by way of design... ? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Man is still the best computer that we can put aboard a spacecraft - and the only one that can be mass-produced with unskilled labor. -- Wernher von Braun Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal for spam filters
Like I said before, spam very, very rarely gets to these lists so why not just add the complete domain @thebat.dutaint.com to your whitelist? T I use Spamcop and can only whitelist senders not receivers and the sender is yourself not the bat. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal for spam filters
Hello Steve Lee everyone else, on 18-Mai-2005 at 23:21 you (Steve Lee) wrote: I use Spamcop and can only whitelist senders not receivers and the sender is yourself not the bat. Well, the Sender of the list messages, according to the headers I'm seeing, is Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED], while the From field has the address of the message author. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Life is a partial, continuous, progressive, multiform, and continually interactive self-realization of the potentialities of atomic electron states. -- John Bernal Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal for spam filters
Well, the Sender of the list messages, according to the headers I'm seeing, is Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED], while the From field has the address of the message author. In which case my word useage is wrong. I can only whitelist 'from' addresses I guess. -- Best wishes, Steve Lee http://jumbocruiser.com Tel +44 7768 211612 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Usage of %CLEAR macro in QTs
Hello Alexander, However, when I create a QT with %CLEAR as the first line and insert it with its handle in a reply, the originally generated text (with the default template) is *not* cleared. It looks to me as if the %CLEAR macro clears only the text *below* the current cursor position. However, I want to type tofu CTRL+Space no matter where I am in the message and have the existing text replaced with my QT. Am I doing something wrong, is this a bug, is this by way of design... ? Just made a little test and it looks like if %CLEAR (which I assume is in the first line of your QT) id not followed by a Return, it will do as you say. However, if it is followed by a Return, it will clear all previous existing text. For example: ,- [ QT1 ] | %CLEAR | This QT will work as expected. `- but ,- [ QT2 ] | %CLEAR%- | This one will do what you are seeing. `- At leas that is what I see here. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 3.5 major bug!
Hello Ian and others, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 10:03:07 PM, you wrote: This has happened for as long as I can remember. I reported it a long while ago. I think it was (and is) ok when Quick Search popped up as you typed, but if a user has chosen to have it visible on the toolbar it ought to stay there. I'm afraid I've been guilty of changing the subject of a thread by bringing this up in my original post, for which I apologise; I'm rather a beginner in these things. Am I allowed to revert to the original question raised by Allister? Can anybody duplicate this behaviour in 3.5 : create a Group, add a User to it, then logon as the Group. What happens when you then click on the 'Create a new message' button? With me this causes an AV. -- Regards to all, Andrew Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 (because of the above!) on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Editor
SC Is it possible to print from the Smartbat? If so, how? Every Pad is a content of a file. If your Pad is called Whatever, then you will find a Whatever.txt in your MAIL directory. Open in any text editor or Word, and print it. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Message Editor
Hello Vili, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 8:16:51 PM, you wrote: SC Is it possible to print from the Smartbat? If so, how? V Every Pad is a content of a file. If your Pad is called Whatever, V then you will find a Whatever.txt in your MAIL directory. Open in any V text editor or Word, and print it. Yes thanks, Rob you as well. I did know I could open the text files, it just seemed unusual that you could not print from SmartPad. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
