Re: Quick Templates - File

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:07:43 -0500GMT (23-5-2005, 23:07 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ND> What is the file name where the quick template information is kept?

account.qtn
It's account specific, so when you've got multiple accounts, you can
have more account.qtn files.

ND> Would copying that file be a possible way to transfer a bunch of QT's
ND> from one installation to another? (work to home)

Yes.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Allie Martin]

On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 10:55:35 AM [GMT -0500], Thomas Martin wrote:

> Just installed PGP 9 and it seams that the internal support for PGP 9 is
> not working. Any hints, or am i missing something.

I had initially had it working. This was when I had previously had PGP8
installed, and then ran the PGP9 installation without first uninstalling
PGP8.

I had since remove PGP from the system after having some other problems.
I decided to try again and reinstalled PGP9. The experience is now
different and I think it's because I did a fresh installation on this
occasion, rather than installing without first uninstalling PGP8.
PGP9 no longer works with TB!.

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Quick Templates - File

[Nick Danger]

Hello,

What is the file name where the quick template information is kept?
Would copying that file be a possible way to transfer a bunch of QT's
from one installation to another? (work to home)

Thanks,

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Re: Desktop Search Tools

[Gary Lucas]

On Monday, May 23, 2005, Alexander S. Kunz cleverly scripted:

> I found it works best when you set it to index messages on exiting TB.

Greetings Alexander S. Kunz, 16:06, Monday, May 23, 2005

Yes, that's the way it is supposed to work, but it seems to need help
getting started.  It didn't automatically index everything when I
configured it to do so and then closed TB down to force it to start.

Not sure why, but it seemed to go better when I forced the re-indexing
manually.  Hopefully, this will be useful feedback for the author.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Allie Martin]

Hi Thomas,
   On 23/5/2005 2:24 PM -0300, you wrote:

> Hm, somebody knows if in there will be a plugin or an internal support
> for PGP 9 in the future?

I had it working fine in TB! just before removing it for other reasons.
I think the current PGP support will tango with PGP9.

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Re: Horizontal line under account names in v3.5

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 at 2:22:07 PM, in
, Nick Danger
wrote:

> You know, I kinda like something to separate the different accounts

Colour groups do the job nicely. See attached.

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Re: Desktop Search Tools

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Gary Lucas & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 21:53 you (Gary Lucas) wrote:

> I re-indexed four times before the count of mail messages appeared to
> asymptote on the GDS status page, so the plugin still needs some
> tweaking. However, the searches are quick once the indexes are in place.
> This looks like a very promising tool.

I found it works best when you set it to index messages on exiting TB.

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Re: Desktop Search Tools

[Gary Lucas]

On Sunday, May 22, 2005, Steve Caine cleverly scripted:

> I can confirm, though, that it works fine with Firefox 1.0.4.  I'm
> using that as my browser along with The Bat! 3.0.1.33 and Google
> Desktop Search The Bat! Version:   1.0.0.7.

Greetings Steve and All, 14:34, Monday, May 23, 2005

I can confirm that this combination works. Firefox, The Bat 3.0.1.33, the
GDS plugin 1.0.07 for The Bat, Win XP pro.

The initial behavior was a little strange. After I configured the plugin
in TB and forced an initial "re-index" only a small number of the mail
indexes showed up in GDS. GDS updates in the background and so it takes a
while, but the process seemed to stall after a few thousand messages were
indexed. I went back to plugin configuration re-indexed again and another
thousand mail messages showed in the GDS count almost immediately.

I re-indexed four times before the count of mail messages appeared to
asymptote on the GDS status page, so the plugin still needs some tweaking.
However, the searches are quick once the indexes are in place. This looks
like a very promising tool.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Gerard.

--On 23 May 2005 21:08 +0200 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> I don know but you are missing a lot of the fun things ;-)

Shhh, can't stop, kids are all in bed asleep. Must get on... If you'll
excuse the pun :)

And stop baiting me, I've already been trouted twice.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Gerard]

ON Monday, May 23, 2005, 7:04:12 PM, you wrote:
TB> Just exactly what have I done to deserve this? I'm a good person, law
TB> abiding, looking after under privileged children, don't do drugs, don't go
TB> to pubs, don't do sex much either. I must have been really bad in a
TB> previous life! 

Hi Tony,

I don know but you are missing a lot of the fun things ;-)
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Re: OT: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Leif.

--On 23 May 2005 12:44 -0600 you wrote about OT: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


>  Please don't feel singled out Tony.

You just got the hump 'cos I get my leg over more than you :)

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 20:34 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

>> Also, will you try Mulberry with 1&1?

> If he does try Mulberry with 1and1 IMAP then we must remember his server is
> in Germany, mine is in England... They may not be affected by the same
> problems.

Nah, I won't waste my time with this and litter the list with more
"Mulberry and 1&1 IMAP servers in the UK" off-topic babbling. :-)


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OT: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Tony,

Monday, May 23, 2005, 12:38:13 PM, you wrote:
T> OK, you got me. But only 4 or 5 times a week, nothing like when I
T> was younger.

T> I do have the odd glass of red wine or 3 every night as well... But
T> I don't go down the Pub, honest!



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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 20:09 +0200 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> No threading at all.

After this post I promise my threading will be OK.
> 
> Well, the one thing I learn from this is... I'll keep my hands off of
> IMAP. With all those different (buggy) server types that need special
> care by one or the other client, its a no-no for me. :-)

Defeatist :)

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Manuel.

--On 23 May 2005 20:03 +0200 you wrote about Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> I am, Tony, I am. Just wanted to confirm Alex' question.
> I know that Mulberry gets the wrong information from your server whereas
> TB!  doesn't fetch the information from the server and does everything on
> its own, which doesn't fit 100% into IMAP specification.
> 
> Correct? ;-)

That is how it was explained to me by a very proficient IMAP guru. No, he's
not on this list :) But then again your on the list he's on so you probably
read his explanation as well.

In fact your explanation is so right I had to quote it all for Alex' sake.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Martin.

--On 23 May 2005 18:33 +0100 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Also, will you try Mulberry with 1&1?

If he does try Mulberry with 1and1 IMAP then we must remember his server is
in Germany, mine is in England... They may not be affected by the same
problems.

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Manuel.

--On 23 May 2005 20:00 +0200 you wrote about Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Me is not Alex, but unfortunatelly your message has *no* references at
> all. Therefore it can't be threading in any way.

Don't you start, I thought you was on my side :)

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Mark.

--On 23 May 2005 19:38 +0200 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


TB> don't do sex much either.
> Oh-Oh must be the lying that does it!   :-)

OK, you got me. But only 4 or 5 times a week, nothing like when I was
younger.

I do have the odd glass of red wine or 3 every night as well... But I don't
go down the Pub, honest!

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Lost Address Book)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dougie,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 15:17:51 +0100GMT (23-5-2005, 16:17 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RO>> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Dougie.

DC> OK, thanks for the heads up, and I don't feel singled out :-)

In stead of being funny, you could adjust your templates to the list
rules.

DC> Cheers.

DC> Dougie

... and ...

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
to your signature by the list server.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: EML Not Associated)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dougie,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 15:22:03 +0100GMT (23-5-2005, 16:22 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

DC> Any thoughts?

DC> Cheers.

DC> Dougie




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This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
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Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Vili,

On Mon, 23 May 2005 13:39:28 +0200GMT (23-5-2005, 13:39 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

TBS> Dick is living, I guess, in the Netherlands. That should be considered
TBS> democracy.

Don't know that for sure. I've heard things about a referendum, but
the final vote of Parliament is known already.

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Re: Re[4]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 19:07 +0200 you wrote about Re[4]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Your message, too... and you're using Mulberry... u... (eh? was that
> the distant sound of Tony banging his head onto a wall? ;-)

Why don't people listen? He uses Mulberry yes, he doesn't however use 1and1.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 19:52 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

> Tell me Alex, does this one thread properly? If I'm right, I suspect it
> will and I#ve not doctored the headers in anyway.

No threading at all.

Well, the one thing I learn from this is... I'll keep my hands off of IMAP.
With all those different (buggy) server types that need special care by one
or the other client, its a no-no for me. :-)

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hi Tony,
   --<> 23.05.2005 18:56 +0100:


Threading seems okay.


Your not listening to me are you?


I am, Tony, I am. Just wanted to confirm Alex' question.
I know that Mulberry gets the wrong information from your server whereas 
TB!  doesn't fetch the information from the server and does everything on 
its own, which doesn't fit 100% into IMAP specification.


Correct? ;-)

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 14:24 -0300 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Hm, somebody knows if in there will be a plugin or an internal support
> for PGP 9 in the future?

That's one for the developers.

Oh look, it threads :)

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hi Tony,
   --<> 23.05.2005 18:52 +0100:


Tell me Alex, does this one thread properly? If I'm right, I suspect it
will and I#ve not doctored the headers in anyway.


Me is not Alex, but unfortunatelly your message has *no* references at all. 
Therefore it can't be threading in any way.


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Re: Re[4]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 19:07 +0200 you wrote about Re[4]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Your message, too... and you're using Mulberry... u... (eh? was that
> the distant sound of Tony banging his head onto a wall? ;-)

No, why would I need to do that? Your the one who's not playing the same
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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 19:06 +0200 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> So... it threads just fine... using the same provider... but TB as a
> client instead...

This one will thread OK as well, not with TB! as a client.

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Manuel.

--On 23 May 2005 19:04 +0200 you wrote about Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Threading seems okay.

Your not listening to me are you?

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 18:53 +0200 you wrote about Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Sorry to hijack this thread, I just had to place a reply "somewhere" using
> the IMAP account I just created. I'm a 1&1 customer just like Tony, and I
> just created an IMAP account in TB to access my mails & see if they thread
> or not, as I still don't see how an *incoming* mail server like IMAP would
> affect *outgoing* mails that are sent via SMTP, no matter if its POP or
> IMAP.

It only happens with Mulberry, not The Bat for reasons discussed at length
last week.

And it's nothing to do with SMTP, it's when you reply to a post that's
stored on your IMAP server. Forget the SMTP side of it, that has nothing to
do with it.

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Alexander.

--On 23 May 2005 18:53 +0200 you wrote about Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> I'm a 1&1 customer just like Tony, and I just created an IMAP account in
> TB to access my mails & see if they thread or not

Like I said, they will. The Bat! doesn't yet handle IMAP the way it should
but that's not the point. Mulberry handle IMAP to the very letter of any
RFC law and that's why it's happening, it's not getting the correct
response from the server.

Tell me Alex, does this one thread properly? If I'm right, I suspect it
will and I#ve not doctored the headers in anyway.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Mark Partous]

Hello Tony,

Monday, May 23, 2005, 7:04:12 PM, you wrote:

>> However, for me, I had simply installed PGP9 and then opened TB! and it
>> worked. I did nothing else. 

TB> Just exactly what have I done to deserve this?
TB> I'm a good person,
OK...

TB> law abiding,
Nice...

TB> looking after under privileged children,
Even better than average...

TB> don't do drugs,
Fine...

TB> don't go to pubs,
Wouldn't even be a problem as long as not exaggerated...

TB> don't do sex much either.
Oh-Oh must be the lying that does it!   :-)



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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Alexander, 

On 23 May 2005, 18:10 you wrote:

>>> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like

>> No, that's nothing to do with PGP. That IP is the one issued to this PC by
>> my router... You don't want me to get rid of that as well do you?

To answer Tony's message first... I thought it could be your router.
However, I would have thought that your machine would be identified by
its name and local domain.

> The interesting thing is that everyone using Mulberry has MID's that end
> with their local IP address instead of their local domain.

I had noticed this and wondered if it was a coincidence or not.
Nonetheless, should TB! working with IP-based message IDs?

Also, will you try Mulberry with 1&1?


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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Tony,

on Monday, 23. May 2005, at 16:59:55 [GMT +0100] you wrote regarding
"PGP 9 ans TheBat!":

>> Just installed PGP 9 and it seams that the internal support for PGP 9 is
>> not working. Any hints, or am i missing something.

> I tried it as well and The Bat! won't work with PGP9. However there is
> another way, Allie will shout at me for telling you this but try enabling
> email proxy in PGP9. It works here with no problems.

Hm, somebody knows if in there will be a plugin or an internal support
for PGP 9 in the future?

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Re: Re[4]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hi Alexander,
   --<> 23.05.2005 19:07 +0200:


and you're using Mulberry... u... (eh? was that
the distant sound of Tony banging his head onto a wall? ;-)


Long before Tony in trial period. ;)

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Re[4]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Alexander IMAP Kunz]

Hello Manuel Breitfeld & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 19:04 you (Manuel Breitfeld) wrote:

>> I just created an IMAP account in TB

> Nice middle name. ;)

Just to keep them apart.

> Threading seems okay.

Your message, too... and you're using Mulberry... u... (eh? was that
the distant sound of Tony banging his head onto a wall? ;-)

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Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Alexander IMAP Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 19:07 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

>> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like

> No, that's nothing to do with PGP. That IP is the one issued to this PC by
> my router... You don't want me to get rid of that as well do you?

The interesting thing is that everyone using Mulberry has MID's that end
with their local IP address instead of their local domain.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Allie.

--On 23 May 2005 11:12 -0500 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> However, for me, I had simply installed PGP9 and then opened TB! and it
> worked. I did nothing else. 

Just exactly what have I done to deserve this? I'm a good person, law
abiding, looking after under privileged children, don't do drugs, don't go
to pubs, don't do sex much either. I must have been really bad in a
previous life! 

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Martin.

--On 23 May 2005 17:19 +0100 you wrote about Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like

No, that's nothing to do with PGP. That IP is the one issued to this PC by
my router... You don't want me to get rid of that as well do you?

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Alexander IMAP Kunz]

Hello Alexander,

Monday, May 23, 2005, 6:53:05 PM, you wrote:

> Sorry to hijack this thread, I just had to place a reply "somewhere"
> using

So... it threads just fine... using the same provider... but TB as a client
instead...

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Re: Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hi Alexander,
   --<> 23.05.2005 18:53 +0200:


I just created an IMAP account in TB

Nice middle name. ;)

Threading seems okay.

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Re: Desktop Search Tools

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Steve Caine & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 05:01 you (Steve Caine) wrote:

>> Though not directly related to TB, a warning about Google Desktop since
>> many of you are using Opera as their browser: once you installed Google
>> Desktop search, you can't access the normal Google webpages thru Opera.
>> Seems like Google programmed their local proxy to work only with IE. :-(

> I can confirm, though, that it works fine with Firefox 1.0.4.  I'm
> using that as my browser along with The Bat! 3.0.1.33 and Google
> Desktop Search The Bat! Version:   1.0.0.7.

Extremely odd... I tried again @ work today... and it works there. Maybe
because I'm connecting thru a proxy at work all the time. Either way, it
needs improvement. :-)

'nuff OT. :-)

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Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thomas Fernandez & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 06:01 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:

V>> You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face
V>> yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during
V>> your life.

> Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy.

Are you so sure about that... ?

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Re[2]: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Alexander IMAP Kunz]

Hello Martin Webster on tbudl & everyone else,

on 23-Mai-2005 at 18:46 you (Martin Webster on tbudl) wrote:

>> .. and here I was liking it, since my domain name isn't included in the
>> message id. :(

> Do these IP-based message IDs work with *cough* mU1b3rry?
> :-)

Sorry to hijack this thread, I just had to place a reply "somewhere" using
the IMAP account I just created. I'm a 1&1 customer just like Tony, and I
just created an IMAP account in TB to access my mails & see if they thread
or not, as I still don't see how an *incoming* mail server like IMAP would
affect *outgoing* mails that are sent via SMTP, no matter if its POP or
IMAP.

Btw. I manually fixed the first reference
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> while replying, so that was not a
miracle work of TB. :-)

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Allie, 

On 23 May 2005, 17:39 you wrote:

>> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like
>> ? Or is this the IP
>> address assigned by your router? Either way, TB! can't locate a
>> message with this type of ID. Same goes for Allie's messages, e.g.
>> .

> .. and here I was liking it, since my domain name isn't included in the
> message id. :(

Do these IP-based message IDs work with *cough* mU1b3rry?

:-)


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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Allie Martin]

Hi Martin,
   On 23/5/2005 5:19 PM +0100, you wrote:

> Does this explain why your message ID is always something like
> ? Or is this the IP
> address assigned by your router? Either way, TB! can't locate a
> message with this type of ID. Same goes for Allie's messages, e.g.
> .

.. and here I was liking it, since my domain name isn't included in the
message id. :(

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Re: Anonymous emails?

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Peter Palmreuther,
On Monday, May 23, 2005, you wrote:

> Hello Jonathan,

> On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 5:30:54 AM Jonathan [JA] wrote:

> I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm
> browsing the web, I'm using a
> tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP 
> address) ...

SMN   ...are you really sure you are invisible...

>>> He is! I bet he blocks packets of type "ICMP Echo request" and drops
>>> them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust
>>> me!1!eins!elf!! ;-)

JA>> *coughs* black hole *coughs*...

JA>> Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as
JA>> having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear
JA>> as a "black hole" sucking in the packets ;)

> Really? You mean the absence of information *is* information? ;-)
> Something like "if the router in front of him doesn't tell me he's
> not there, he *IS* there!"?! ;-)

If he has access to control the router in front of him, that probably
means he is using a small network (or even a business network), and
the IP addresses behind are probably no routable... or he works for
his service provider, and can control them at a higher level. If that
is the case, then sure, if he can get them to report the host doesn't
exist then you really cannot tell without more "testing" than ICMP
echo requests. But if he's blocking on just the firewall, then the
complete absence of information *is* information ;)

> Still leaves the question: Where is the black hole located *if* somebody
> enables this "security feature"? I have a theory this black hole is a
> few inches in front of the monitor, between a pair of human ears ;-)

hehe... trying to work out if that is a joke on me or not ;)

-- 
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Re: EML Not Associated

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Dougie, 

> Any thoughts?

does you use a further installation of TB! whit parameter /reg: ?

I have this problem if I use the second installation of TheBat! at the
same time. Apparent the following reg values are changed automatically
by using TB!

Check .msg association
Check .eml association
Check .vcf association

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Re[2]: Anonymous emails?

[Dick Hoogendoorn]

Hello Jonathan,

On 23 May 2005 at 22:30:54 GMT -0500 (which was 05:30:54 where I
live), Jonathan Angliss wrote and made these valuable points on the
subject of "Anonymous emails?":

> Hi Peter Palmreuther,
> On Sunday, May 22, 2005, you wrote:

>> Hello St,

>> On Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 5:40:50 PM St [SMN] wrote:

 I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, 
 I'm using a
 tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP 
 address) ...

SMN>>>   ...are you really sure you are invisible...

>> He is! I bet he blocks packets of type "ICMP Echo request" and drops
>> them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust
>> me!1!eins!elf!! ;-)

> *coughs* black hole *coughs*...

> Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as
> having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear
> as a "black hole" sucking in the packets ;)

I'm not trying to hide myself in this case..I'm just behind a firewall to 
protect my PC...like (hopefully) many firewall users are trying to accomplish.

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Martin Webster on tbudl]

Hello Tony, 

On 23 May 2005, 16:59 you wrote:

> I tried it as well and The Bat! won't work with PGP9. However there is
> another way, Allie will shout at me for telling you this but try enabling
> email proxy in PGP9. It works here with no problems.

Does this explain why your message ID is always something like
? Or is this the IP
address assigned by your router? Either way, TB! can't locate a
message with this type of ID. Same goes for Allie's messages, e.g.
.


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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Allie Martin]

Hi Tony,
   On 23/5/2005 4:59 PM +0100, you wrote:

> I tried it as well and The Bat! won't work with PGP9. However there is
> another way, Allie will shout at me for telling you this but try
> enabling email proxy in PGP9. It works here with no problems.

LOL!!!

I'd try the usual way first, yes.

However, for me, I had simply installed PGP9 and then opened TB! and it
worked. I did nothing else. 

What happens Peter? Nothing?

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Re: PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Tony Boom]

Hello Thomas.

--On 23 May 2005 12:55 -0300 you wrote about PGP 9 ans TheBat!:


> Just installed PGP 9 and it seams that the internal support for PGP 9 is
> not working. Any hints, or am i missing something.

I tried it as well and The Bat! won't work with PGP9. However there is
another way, Allie will shout at me for telling you this but try enabling
email proxy in PGP9. It works here with no problems.

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PGP 9 ans TheBat!

[Thomas Martin]

Hello TB List,

Just installed PGP 9 and it seams that the internal support for PGP 9 is
not working. Any hints, or am i missing something.

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Re: EML Not Associated

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Dougie,

on Mon, 23 May 2005 15:22:03 +0100GMT (23.05.2005, 16:22 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

DC> This one's been bugging me for a while.

DC> No matter what I've tried, when BAT starts up, it gives me the message
DC> '.EML files are not associated with the BAT' and I then have to change the
DC> association.

DC> I'm sure it's a setting somewher that I've missed, or another
DC> application keeps taking over.

I had a similar problem with Opera as my default browser. It would
accept to be responsible for http and https only for the current
session until I ran it with administrator rights and changed the
settings again. Maybe this solution works for The Bat! as well.

BTW, it would be better to open a new message instead of just replying
and changing the subject. In threaded view your message appears as an
answer to Roelof's mod remark.

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Lost Address Book)

[Dougie Coull]

Hi Roelof,

Monday, May 23, 2005, 11:22:18 AM, you wrote:

RO> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Dougie.

OK, thanks for the heads up, and I don't feel singled out :-)

Cheers.

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EML Not Associated

[Dougie Coull]

Hi Folks,

This one's been bugging me for a while.

No matter what I've tried, when BAT starts up, it gives me the message
'.EML files are not associated with the BAT' and I then have to change the
association.

I'm sure it's a setting somewher that I've missed, or another
application keeps taking over.

Any thoughts?

Cheers.

Dougie





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Re: Could it be possible to ...

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Claude,

Sunday, May 22, 2005, 1:21:29 PM, you wrote:
C> What a good idea : I hope some of the moderators will read this and
C> do the necessary ...

Do what??? TBUDP is a Wiki, that means that once you register there,
you're allowed to add content to it yourself. It's a community effort
to collect information.

C> And what a wonderful site, thank you of the one who have had the idea
C> of it ...

Glad you like it. Now if we can just get people to continue adding
content to it! 


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Re[2]: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?

[Vili]

Hello Thomas,

TF> I  have  nothing  to  hide,  but  that's  only because I live in a
TF> democracy.  In  another country, "dissidents" might have something
TF> to hide even though this is nothing bad in an ehtical sense - it's
TF> just against the powers that run the country, which we presume are
TF> not benevolent.

Dick is living, I guess, in the Netherlands. That should be considered
democracy.

Ok,  you  are  true,  maybe  there  can be people out there, who needs
secrecy.  But I guess, in this case it is only a waste of bandwith, in
general, waste of energy to hide visited websites that the user is not
proud of.

Ok, it is so OT, I stop it. Sorry, I wasted BW for it, too...

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Mod: Cut mark (was: Lost Address Book)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dougie,

On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:39:44 +0100GMT (23-5-2005, 0:39 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

DC> Cheers.

DC> Dougie

 >   Douglas Coull, Langbank, Scotland
 >   Lat 55.92445 N Long 4.59753 W
   
DC> www.doug-coull.co.uk

DC> http://douglas-coull.fotopic.net


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You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
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Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
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Re: Anonymous emails?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Jonathan,

On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 5:30:54 AM Jonathan [JA] wrote:

 I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, 
 I'm using a
 tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP 
 address) ...

SMN>>>   ...are you really sure you are invisible...

>> He is! I bet he blocks packets of type "ICMP Echo request" and drops
>> them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust
>> me!1!eins!elf!! ;-)

JA> *coughs* black hole *coughs*...

JA> Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as
JA> having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear
JA> as a "black hole" sucking in the packets ;)

Really? You mean the absence of information *is* information? ;-)
Something like "if the router in front of him doesn't tell me he's not
there, he *IS* there!"?! ;-)

Still leaves the question: Where is the black hole located *if* somebody
enables this "security feature"? I have a theory this black hole is a
few inches in front of the monitor, between a pair of human ears ;-)
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