Re: Hiding addresses in a group
Hello Leonard, On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] LSB So, how do I send e-mail to a predefined group without the recipients LSB seeing the others addresses? Try using the Mass mailing using template choice in your Address book/File options once you've selected the relevant group. Make a template, say Meeting with something like the following in it. %SUBJECT=Next meetingHello %TOFNAME, Here are details of the next meeting. Regards etc Then, when you select this all you do is send and each individual gets a personal mail with no CC or BCC. You can also add attachments to send as in an ordinary mail. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.61.08 Echo (Beta) with SpamPal a POP3 account | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Hello Martin, On Wednesday, September 28, 2005, you wrote: On the subject of message indexing/searching, I'm still aching from the demise of Bloomba, which really seemed to be going somewhere new. MW See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomba. Apparently, it's been MW re-released as WordPerfect MAIL. Oh, thanks for that. I'll have a poke around. -- Nick Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mails in some newslists recieved through msn, hotmail via x-pop
Hallo qe3ee, On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:45:09 +0200GMT (28-9-2005, 23:45 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Q This is the header from a newsleter i subscribed to recently. It Q shows up as blank. I pasted the contents to file and imported it into TB as a separate message and it shows just fine. -- Groetjes, Roelof IBM: I've Been Misled The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp48weSdyqzf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mails in some newslists recieved through msn, hotmail via x-pop
Hello wonderful Roelof Otten, den 29 september 2005, 13:46:16, du skrev: RO Hallo qe3ee, RO On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:45:09 +0200GMT (28-9-2005, 23:45 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: Q This is the header from a newsleter i subscribed to recently. It Q shows up as blank. RO I pasted the contents to file and imported it into TB as a separate RO message and it shows just fine. Thanks Roelof! Then there is something wrong with MY settings... I have just a few mails that behave like this. And I haven't got a clue to what makes The Bat behave like this. -- kind regards, qe3ee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- E fructu arbor cognoscitur 13:54:05 den 29 september 2005 --- if this mail has a virus please throw it away and notify me :) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending bulk emails
Hallo Granville, On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:34:26 +0100GMT (29-9-2005, 1:34 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GC I have a data base with approximately 2,000 members. That's a lot. GC On the occasions that I need to mass mail my group I do so using GC The Bat!. 2000 messages is a lot too. GC What happens if I have entered an email address into my data base GC which is incorrectly addressed then The Bat! refuses to send any GC of the other emails TB tries to send the mails in the same order as they're in the queue, it's only keeping track of what's being sent. As soon as the SMTP server reports an error the transmission stops. But the error can be manifold, too many messages in one session, connection out of sync, illegal syntax, whatever. It would be too much for TB to interpret the cause of the error and act accordingly. So it keeps its queue and tries again during the next connection. GC and I have to go through my entire data base to find the one GC email that is causing the problem. That shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to find the offending message via TB's log, here's an example: ,- [ ] | 29-9-2005, 13:50:48: SEND - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 29-9-2005, 13:50:48: SEND - The last address submitted was [EMAIL PROTECTED] | !29-9-2005, 13:50:48: SEND - Message has not been sent. Server reply - mailbox not found | 29-9-2005, 13:50:48: SEND - connection finished - 0 messages sent | 29-9-2005, 13:50:48: SEND - Some messages were not sent - check the log for details `- A simple search option should help you out now. GC Why can't The Bat! send all the valid emails and leave the GC incorrect ones in the outbox. Because it isn't as simple as that (I tried to explain that above) and though TB has this nice mass mailing feature, it's not really up to the challenge to act like a real mail server (because real servers can do what you expect this client to do) for this kind of messages. GC This is what I would expect to happen from this email client. Or GC do I need to configure The Bat! to do this? No, you should enter a wish on the wishlist, maybe that it gets implemented in the future: You can insert wishes in the wish list, by logging in to: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php Choose 'The Bat! wishes' and add a new item. First check whether someone has made the same wish, then you can support that wish. Wishes that are supported by more users are more likely to be granted than wishes by one. And the system isn't smart enough to understand that wishes might be the same. And add just one wish per entry. Makes everything easier, both for other users who want to add support and for the developers. -- Groetjes, Roelof I'm going to get drunk for a week, sober up and then get drunk for a month again - Hawkeye Pierce The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgph1hngN55PB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding addresses in a group
Hallo Leonard, On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:08:41 -0400GMT (29-9-2005, 0:08 +0200, where I live), you wrote: LSB I tried selecting the list from the BCC: pane, but only the first name LSB in the list appeared. I tried this myself and I could add a whole group to the BCC: header in just the same way I can do with the To: header. Don't forget to use the double chevrons () to add the group in stead of the single one. -- Groetjes, Roelof Postscript: The only thing of interest in some letters. The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpWk0YyHzQwv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mails in some newslists recieved through msn, hotmail via x-pop
Hallo qe3ee, On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:58:19 +0200GMT (29-9-2005, 13:58 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Q This is the header from a newsleter i subscribed to recently. It Q shows up as blank. RO I pasted the contents to file and imported it into TB as a separate RO message and it shows just fine. Q Thanks Roelof! Then there is something wrong with MY settings... Not necessarily, after all you are using a beta (okay, the same as I'm using) so it could be due to anything. I suggest that you send an offending message as attachment to the tbbeta list and that we take it from there. Q I have just a few mails that behave like this. And I haven't got a Q clue to what makes The Bat behave like this. Neither do I. -- Groetjes, Roelof He says a thousand pleasant things, but never Adieu. The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp7GfAX603dZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hiding addresses in a group
On Thursday, September 29, 2005, 8:14:17 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO I tried this myself and I could add a whole group to the BCC: header in RO just the same way I can do with the To: header. RO Don't forget to use the double chevrons () to add the group in stead RO of the single one. Do you mean that I should type the name of the group into the BCC: pane rather than selecting it from the little address-book button? Can you please give me an example of how to include the double chevrons? My group name is Mailing Thanks. Leonard S. Berkowitz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding addresses in a group
Hallo Leonard, On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:52:40 -0400GMT (29-9-2005, 14:52 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO I tried this myself and I could add a whole group to the BCC: header in RO just the same way I can do with the To: header. RO Don't forget to use the double chevrons () to add the group in stead RO of the single one. LSB Do you mean that I should type the name of the group into the BCC: LSB pane rather than selecting it from the little address-book button? Can LSB you please give me an example of how to include the double chevrons? LSB My group name is Mailing Actually I meant that you should press the button with the double chevrons to add it to the BCC, however just typing 'Mailing list' should do fine too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows practical joke: Write a program that works. The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpqPawRKrD53.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Howto: set Reading Confirmation in template?
Hi fellow-flappers, Am I overlooking something? Can't find a way to do so for a per-folder template, no switch nor macro... Thanks for your ideas! -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Howto: set Reading Confirmation in template?
Hallo Cory, On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:21:48 +0200GMT (29-9-2005, 16:21 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C Am I overlooking something? Can't find a way to do so for a per-folder C template, no switch nor macro... %ReadConfirm -- Groetjes, Roelof As I feared, you have no sense of humor. The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpX4RUkR8awZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Hello Dwight, On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:29:48 -0500 GMT (29/09/2005, 08:29 +0700 GMT), Dwight A Corrin wrote: Also, an option to load the images for safe senders or even by manual request would be nice. DAC double clicking the html icon is a manual request which is instantly DAC answered, isn't it? Yes, but it doesn't work when some images are sent with the message and others need to be loaded. In the browser, the images sent with the message are not shown. Apart from that, I receive trusted newletters with images that need to be loaded from the net, and I don't want to have to open the browser every time for those. Talking about TheBat, not ThunderBird. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Most laptop computers are powerful enough to override the communication systems of any invading alien civilization. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: header entry clickable?
Hi On Sunday 11 September 2005 at 10:58:22 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: seldomly click on a link in the header, but I do remember that this worked). Confirmed that double-clicking on a link in the headers works here using v3.0.1.33; something that I did not know before -- Best regards, MFPA Roses smell better than onions but don't make such good soup Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
encoding the subject line
Hey, all. Just wondering if anybody else has seen these problems, and have already reported it to the ritlab bug tracker. I spent some time looking on bt, but the closest I found is 0004848. Close, but not what I'm really after. This is 3.60.07 on XP. These are all problems with non-ascii characters in the header; specifically, non-ascii characters in the subject are not handled very well. First, when receiving emails with encoded non-ascii subjects, the subject is usually decoded and rendered properly in the preview pane and the message window (double click from the preview pane). However, it isn't rendered correctly in the ticker. A picture of this is at http://wliao.freeshell.org/subject_vs_ticker.png . Second, as implied above, the subject isn't decoded properly all the time. If the header is a single line, then it seems ok. But, if the subject is folded across multiple lines, the encoding seems to fall apart. Compare when folding is handled properly w/ ascii http://wliao.freeshell.org/multi_line_subject_good.png and and when not handled properly http://wliao.freeshell.org/multi_line_subject_bad.png . Last, there doesn't seem to be a way to compose an email w/ non-ascii subjects. I can input or paste in japanese words, but they become a series of when I send the email, or if I click through the header portion of the message editor. I've been working around this by hand encoding the subject and then pasting it into the email. -- WL Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: encoding the subject line
Hello WL everyone else, on 29-Sep-2005 at 21:07 you (WL) wrote: These are all problems with non-ascii characters in the header; specifically, non-ascii characters in the subject are not handled very well. Even though TheBat is currently in a major re-write with the goal of full unicode support, I think you should report all of these issues on BT. Last, there doesn't seem to be a way to compose an email w/ non-ascii subjects. I can input or paste in japanese words, but they become a series of when I send the email, or if I click through the header portion of the message editor. I've been working around this by hand encoding the subject and then pasting it into the email. This may depend on the charset you're using. I can compose messages with german non-ascii characters ä ö ü ß in the subject just fine, but the character set you're using looks a *bit* (or rather: byte:) more complex. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The Salary Axiom: The pay raise is just large enough to raise your taxes. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: encoding the subject line
On 9/29/05, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello WL everyone else, on 29-Sep-2005 at 21:07 you (WL) wrote: These are all problems with non-ascii characters in the header; specifically, non-ascii characters in the subject are not handled very well. Even though TheBat is currently in a major re-write with the goal of full unicode support, I think you should report all of these issues on BT. After sending these, I did manage to find another bug report that seems germane (0002447). It was supposed to be fixed in 2.04, though :/ Last, there doesn't seem to be a way to compose an email w/ non-ascii subjects. I can input or paste in japanese words, but they become a series of when I send the email, or if I click through the header portion of the message editor. I've been working around this by hand encoding the subject and then pasting it into the email. This may depend on the charset you're using. I can compose messages with german non-ascii characters ä ö ü ß in the subject just fine, but the character set you're using looks a *bit* (or rather: byte:) more complex. Yup This seems to be the convention for email in Japanese. The text, in whatever characterset is appropriate, is encoded in base64 or as quoted printable. Then resultant string is then used in the subject with a tag that declares the character set of the original text, and the method of encoding (base64 vs QP). When looking through the ``raw'' email, the subject ends up like =?utf-8?B?BBBCCCDDD?= What's so frustrating is that viewing is possible, so somebody must have considered the issue of decoding subjects in this format. It seems a bit bizarre to me that the parallel function, composing, wasn't handled as well :/ -- WL Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding addresses in a group
Hello wonderful Roelof Otten, den 29 september 2005, 15:23:31, du skrev: RO Hallo Leonard, RO On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:52:40 -0400GMT (29-9-2005, 14:52 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO I tried this myself and I could add a whole group to the BCC: header in RO just the same way I can do with the To: header. RO Don't forget to use the double chevrons () to add the group in stead RO of the single one. LSB Do you mean that I should type the name of the group into the BCC: LSB pane rather than selecting it from the little address-book button? Can LSB you please give me an example of how to include the double chevrons? LSB My group name is Mailing RO Actually I meant that you should press the button with the double RO chevrons to add it to the BCC, however just typing 'Mailing list' RO should do fine too. Leonard! When you want to create a new mail press F5 then press Alt+F8 and you will get the window that Roelof speaks about. It isn't accessible directly from the addressbook, only from the new message window. -- kind regards, qe3ee --- E fructu arbor cognoscitur 00:25:00 den 30 september 2005 --- if this mail has a virus please throw it away and notify me :) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mails in some newslists recieved through msn, hotmail via x-pop
Hello wonderful Roelof Otten, den 29 september 2005, 14:24:04, du skrev: RO Hallo qe3ee, RO On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:58:19 +0200GMT (29-9-2005, 13:58 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: Q This is the header from a newsleter i subscribed to recently. It Q shows up as blank. RO I pasted the contents to file and imported it into TB as a separate RO message and it shows just fine. Q Thanks Roelof! Then there is something wrong with MY settings... RO Not necessarily, after all you are using a beta (okay, the same as I'm RO using) so it could be due to anything. RO I suggest that you send an offending message as attachment to the tbbeta RO list and that we take it from there. Q I have just a few mails that behave like this. And I haven't got a Q clue to what makes The Bat behave like this. RO Neither do I. Quite odd indeed! It looks identical in sourceviewer and reimporting it shows it just fine. I shifted to the 3.51.10 version and it behaved similare. I'm short in english slang here: What do you mean by offending message to the tbbeta list? The word shows up as insult on Merriam-Webster: Entry Word: offend Function: verb Text: 1 to commit an offense since this is the first time you've offended, we'll let you off lightly Synonyms err, sin, transgress, trespass Related Words breach, break, infringe, violate; backslide, lapse Phrases break the law, fall from grace Near Antonyms forgive, justify; repent 2 to cause hurt feelings or deep resentment in the visitor unintentionally offended his hosts terribly by failing to compliment them on the meal -- see INSULT -- kind regards, qe3ee --- E fructu arbor cognoscitur --- if this mail has a virus please throw it away and notify me :) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd mails in some newslists recieved through msn, hotmail via x-pop
Hallo qe3ee, On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:35:25 +0200GMT (30-9-2005, 0:35 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Q I'm short in english slang here: Q What do you mean by offending message to the tbbeta list? The word shows up Q as insult on Merriam-Webster: An offending message would be a message that does something bad, breaks a law or whatever. In this case that would be a message that refuses to be viewed. (An insulting message would be offensive) The idea was to send one of these messages that don't show via MIME forwarding to the tbbeta list. I don't know whether you're subscribed to the tbbeta list, but as you were talking about a failing in a beta version I'm supposed to point to tbbeta, as betas are off topic here on tbudl. (If I don't point to tbbeta, Marck and Leif will take my moderator license away g) However, now you're mentioning the same same behaviour in 3.51.10 and if I'm not mistaken that was a regular release. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows:(n.)3. The solution to a problem that didn't exist. The Bat! 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp74BLRTsE9R.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hiding addresses in a group
On Thursday, September 29, 2005, 6:28:35 PM, qe3ee wrote: q Leonard! When you want to create a new mail press F5 then press Alt+F8 and q you will get the window that Roelof speaks about. It isn't accessible q directly from the addressbook, only from the new message window. Thanks, qe3ee. Leonard Leonard S. Berkowitz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Single-space read fails
I've found if I have my window open to just the right height, single-space read will fail to detect the end of the message for every message. Stretch the window a few pixels taller, and it works. Anyone else noticed this, or should I try to find more explicit repro steps? -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inactive
Michael Acklin wrote: Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 8:24:09 PM, you wrote: You are correct, Richard. Just checked and the last message I got from this group was dated 23 Sept 2005. So you are right in the fact that it has been almost a week now. 27 - 23 = 4 Do we call that George W. Bush math? :) -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thunderbird
Nick Dutton wrote: I'd have to say that for me it's the ability to manage my POP folders *after* the initial retrieval, and the reason I use K9 instead of BayesIt. Once I've checked an account with TB! (as opposed to TB) any subsequent check from dial-up or mobile devices is free of list mail, large attachments and SPAM. http://www.0spam.com Then you don't even need to check your email and your spam is gone. It's amazing, it's beautiful. I still use POPfile because I use it to sort into a bunch of buckets locally, but 0spam gets rid of everything I don't actually care about. 0spam works by whitelisting, but has some interesting tech in it that allows it to guess (correctly) when something might actually not be spam. It always errs on the side of it's spam though, but a new feature on their website, where you can go to see what it's grabbing and restore stuff you don't want taken, is that it highlights stuff that looks almost good enough to leave in your box, but isn't quite. -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread by Sender
Fredrik Bergström wrote: Just to clarify what I mean with empty lines I took this image: http://holly.ko2000.nu/fredsinbox.png If only I had an internet connection as I write this. As you can se all the mails from each sender is grouped but I will not see the Subject or Received date of the last e-mail without expanding each thread. To answer your actual question without getting into the Asperger- fueled why would you let anything stay in your inbox not-question, in your view mode setup do you have group by date checked, by any chance? I don't particularly care for that setting myself, but my experiments with it made it sound like what you describe. Alternatively, do you have new thread sorting checked, and does inverting it make any difference? g'luck, -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confused about keyboard shortcuts (again)
Nick Dutton wrote: I'd like to set up some keyboard shortcuts to move between messages: Forward/Back = ./, I have set this up in the View Message Folder section and it works nicely when I view each message in its own viewer window. I'd also like this to work when I'm reading messages in the regular 3-panel view. If I set the shortcuts up in my custom toolbar in the Main Form section then they also operate in the compose window. This is a real handicap when it comes to punctuation! I thought that the scope of the shortcuts should prevent them from operating in that window. Am I wrong, or is it TB!? I'm also experiencing the same dismay, after another user said, oh I have Agent shortcuts configured, I did a few, and then every time I typed an 'r' in the compose window, it popped open a new reply to myself. Grr... How can keystrokes for the main window be stuck in the main window, and not run over into other windows? For that matter, if I redefine single-key actions, can I still use the search toolbar if I manually put it into focus? -tom! -- Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
