Re: Alternative dictionaries?

2005-11-17 Thread MAU
Hello Ian,


M I have a solution  to used the Office 97 dictionaries without the need
M of installing the package. Unfortunately I'm currently away from Spain
M and I won't be able to give you further details until I am back home in
M a few days.

 I look forward to it :-)

Download http://www.rancho-k.com/download/Proof.zip and read the How to
Use text file. It includes the UK English and Spanish dictionaries which
are the ones I use. As a matter of fact, I now never install TB's
dictionaries, just these two.

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ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Admin at AK
I am webmaster for a number of clients.

For each I use the address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have a separate folder for mail in and out for each of those.

The templates for each folder (Message / Reply / Forward) are customised 
appropriately for
each client.

i.e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
blah blah

When I send mail using the templates I have tried the various macros:

%reply / %replyto / %fromname / %fromaddr  etc etc

with the intention of ensuring that the headers actually say:

From Domain Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever.

They all send and receive through my POP3 account [EMAIL PROTECTED] and filters 
do the
sorting of both incoming and outgoing mail.

However, no matter what combination of macros I use, the outgoing is still 
labelled as
FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I cannot use address book templates because the otugoing emails could be going 
to anyone.

Any thoughts?

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread MAU
Hello Admin,


 I am webmaster for a number of clients.

 For each I use the address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a separate folder for mail in and out for each of those.
snipped quite a bit

Have you tried setting a different Identity in the Properties of each
folder?

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Hello Admin,


 I am webmaster for a number of clients.

 For each I use the address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a separate folder for mail in and out for each of those.
 snipped quite a bit

 Have you tried setting a different Identity in the Properties of each
 folder?

Yes all those entries are as they should be - i.e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc etc

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Tom Plunket
Marten Gallagher wrote:

 The templates for each folder (Message / Reply / Forward) are
 customised appropriately for each client.

 i.e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 blah blah

I had the same problem, but somewhat in reverse.  I have email coming
into a number of addresses @fancy.org, although I don't even sort them
into various mailboxes.  However, I do want to reply with the address
that was sent out to limit my spam exposure to the various companies
(e.g. when I order something from Amazon, I use [EMAIL PROTECTED])

Here's what I do (among other things):

%SetPattRegExp=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%VarName=%RegExpMatch=%OToAddr
%if:%VarName:%From=Tom Plunket %VarName:

So, you'll want to edit it to be:

%SetPattRegExp=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%VarName=%RegExpMatch=%OToAddr
%if:%VarName:%From=Webmaster %VarName:

This is in my account properties' Reply template.

Alternatively, you could just set the following in your per-folder
reply templates (but it's more to manage):

%From=Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can also set this line in the New Message template for those
folders, so any time you create a new message when those folders are
active get the right From address...

Good luck,
-tom!

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Admin at AK  everyone else,

on 17-Nov-2005 at 15:42 you (Admin at AK) wrote:

 However, no matter what combination of macros I use, the outgoing is
 still labelled as FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Can you send one of the templates to the list so we can have a look at
them?

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Marten Gallagher wrote:

 Alternatively, you could just set the following in your per-folder
 reply templates (but it's more to manage):

 %From=Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 You can also set this line in the New Message template for those
 folders, so any time you create a new message when those folders are
 active get the right From address...

That's what I'm doing - I obviously wasn't clear in my original message.

It doesn't work here...

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Hello Admin at AK  everyone else,

 on 17-Nov-2005 at 15:42 you (Admin at AK) wrote:

 However, no matter what combination of macros I use, the outgoing is
 still labelled as FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Can you send one of the templates to the list so we can have a look at
 them?



%QUOTES

%CURSOR

-- 
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Webmaster for BSRLM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.bsrlm.org.uk
Annery Kiln Web Design and Management

%FROMNAME=Marten Gallagher
%FROMADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%REPLYADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

+++
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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Marten Gallagher  everyone else,

on 17-Nov-2005 at 18:30 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote:

 %FROMNAME=Marten Gallagher
 %FROMADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 %REPLYADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I think TB will add the information to the headers if you don't clear them
first. Try to first clear the existing fields like this:

 %FROMADDR=%-
 %FROMADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The %- is only there to remove the linebreak  enhance readability, you
could write

 %FROMADDR=%FROMADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

just as well.

If the reply-to address is the same as the from address, you don't need to
specify it.

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Marten,

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:30:51 +GMT (17-11-2005, 18:30 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

MG %FROMNAME=Marten Gallagher
MG %FROMADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MG %REPLYADDR=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Are you sure that's how it's supposed to work?
I thought %FromName inserted the From name in the message body.
Just try %From='Name address'

You don't need to add the Reply-To unless you're inserting your a
Reply-To in your account profile, but when you do so, you need to use
the macro:
%ReplyTo=address
The %ReplyAddr macro inserts something in the body.

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Re: Alternative dictionaries?

2005-11-17 Thread Ian A.White
MAU,

On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 11:37:51 PM, you (MAU) wrote:

M Hello Ian,

M I have a solution  to used the Office 97 dictionaries without the need
M of installing the package. Unfortunately I'm currently away from Spain
M and I won't be able to give you further details until I am back home in
M a few days.

 I look forward to it :-)

M Download http://www.rancho-k.com/download/Proof.zip and read the How to
M Use text file. It includes the UK English and Spanish dictionaries which
M are the ones I use. As a matter of fact, I now never install TB's
M dictionaries, just these two.

Thanks for that. I will give it a whirl.

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 You don't need to add the Reply-To unless you're inserting your a
 Reply-To in your account profile, but when you do so, you need to use
 the macro:
 %ReplyTo=address
 The %ReplyAddr macro inserts something in the body.

OK - so I combined the two theories:

+++

%CURSOR

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.bsrlm.org.uk
Annery Kiln Web Design and Management

%FROM=%-
%FROM='Marten Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

+++

But it still doesn't work.

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Re[3]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 OK - so I combined the two theories:

 +++

 %CURSOR

 -- 
 Marten Gallagher
 Webmaster for BSRLM
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.bsrlm.org.uk
 Annery Kiln Web Design and Management

 %FROM=%-
 %FROM='Marten Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

 +++

 But it still doesn't work.

I have now realised that %CURSOR and the signature is being ignored as well - 
the cursor should be in the
body of the message but is in the TO field when I start a new message. 
Therefore I
conclude that the template macros are being ignired altogether.

Is there a 'switch' I need to 'switch' or is it just broken?



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Folder (not account) macros not working

2005-11-17 Thread Admin at AK
OK I've tried all sorts of simple things and the conclusion is that macros for 
folders are
not working here.

This explains why I got confused because I had thought they used to work. I 
suspect this
has changed after some upgrade?

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Marten,

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:36 +GMT (17-11-2005, 20:48 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

MG I have now realised that %CURSOR and the signature is being
MG ignored as well - the cursor should be in the
MG body of the message but is in the TO field when I start a new message. 
Therefore I
MG conclude that the template macros are being ignired altogether.

What editor are you using? With MicroEd I've got no problems
whatsoever.

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Hallo Marten,

 On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:48:36 +GMT (17-11-2005, 20:48 +0200, where
 I live), you wrote:

MG I have now realised that %CURSOR and the signature is being
MG ignored as well - the cursor should be in the
MG body of the message but is in the TO field when I start a new message. 
Therefore I
MG conclude that the template macros are being ignired altogether.

 What editor are you using? With MicroEd I've got no problems
 whatsoever.

MicroEd - as far as I know - it's the in built plain text editor.

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Re: Folder (not account) macros not working

2005-11-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Marten,

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:57:45 +GMT (17-11-2005, 20:57 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

MG OK I've tried all sorts of simple things and the conclusion is that macros 
for folders are
MG not working here.

MG This explains why I got confused because I had thought they used to work. I 
suspect this
MG has changed after some upgrade?

Are you sure you're not using AB templates, they have precedence over
folder templates

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 1:48:36 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote:

  the cursor should be in the body of the message but is in the TO
 field when I start a new message.

No, when you start a new message, the cursor should be in the TO:
field, so you can insert an address. You should be able to tell
whether the signature part of the template is working, because there
will either be or not be the signature there.


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Re[2]: Folder (not account) macros not working

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Are you sure you're not using AB templates, they have precedence over
 folder templates

The only address I have a template set for is tbudl.

Anyway an AB template depends on the TO address doesn't it?

At the stage of testing these templates I'm talking about, there is no TO 
address for the
AB template to kick in with.

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Re: Folder (not account) macros not working

2005-11-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Admin at AK  everyone else,

on 17-Nov-2005 at 20:57 you (Admin at AK) wrote:

 OK I've tried all sorts of simple things and the conclusion is that
 macros for folders are not working here.

 This explains why I got confused because I had thought they used to work.
 I suspect this has changed after some upgrade?

H. I can't confirm that problem. The one folder where I'm using a
folder template is working just fine, it must be something else on your
end.

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Jenny Zonneveld
Hello Dwight,

I created an automatic reply from another account recently as follows:
Mail for my hockey account now comes to me rerouted through my gmail account. I 
have sorting rules for subscribe and unsubscribe, and If I get a subscribe 
message the sorting office does various things. The last thing it does is to 
generate an automatic reply and this is the template it uses. If I didn't 
specify @ACCOUNT, the mail would be sent from the gmail account, which I don't 
want.  Hope this helps!


%ACCOUNT=Hockey Beste %OFromFName,

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes
%Cursor

Uw adres is toegevoegd aan de HVM adressenlijst

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 1:48:36 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote:

  the cursor should be in the body of the message but is in the TO
 field when I start a new message.

 No, when you start a new message, the cursor should be in the TO:
 field, so you can insert an address. You should be able to tell
 whether the signature part of the template is working, because there
 will either be or not be the signature there.

Unless the %CURSOR macro is in the template!

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Re[3]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Hello Dwight,

 I created an automatic reply from another account recently as follows:
 Mail for my hockey account now comes to me rerouted through my gmail account. 
 I have
 sorting rules for subscribe and unsubscribe, and If I get a subscribe message 
 the
 sorting office does various things. The last thing it does is to generate an 
 automatic
 reply and this is the template it uses. If I didn't specify @ACCOUNT, the 
 mail would be
 sent from the gmail account, which I don't want.  Hope this helps!

 
 %ACCOUNT=Hockey Beste %OFromFName,

 %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

 %Quotes
 %Cursor

 Uw adres is toegevoegd aan de HVM adressenlijst

 -- 
 Redactie HVM
 -

I don't have any problem with Accounts - i.e: where I have a separate POP 
account and
thenusual set of Inbox/Outbox etc folders within it.

So for example I have a POP account [EMAIL PROTECTED] - but because I had 
problems
with TB and POPFile checking more than a few POP accounts, I get all those type 
of emails
redirected by the server to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Filters then act on them as they arrive and send them to the appropriate folder 
(no
t accounts).

The problem I have is with folders that are outside an account which receive 
their mail
filtered through one account ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to the relevant folder as 
described
above.

I used to highlight the single folder and click the write a new message button 
and the
templates set for that folder would create the message as if it came from 
(using the above
example) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which is, as stated above a valid POP account).

Now these templates are universally ignired when in folders, but OK in accounts.

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Re: Folder (not account) macros not working

2005-11-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Marten,

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:17:52 +GMT (17-11-2005, 21:17 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

 Are you sure you're not using AB templates, they have precedence over
 folder templates

MG The only address I have a template set for is tbudl.

okay

MG Anyway an AB template depends on the TO address doesn't it?

Yep

MG At the stage of testing these templates I'm talking about, there is no TO 
address for the
MG AB template to kick in with.

In that case I'm lost. Folder templates work fine over here.
But the from identity is always managed by the folder identity, works
fine on all of the TB list for instance.

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Marten Gallagher  everyone else,

on 17-Nov-2005 at 21:36 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote:

 the cursor should be in the body of the message but is in the TO field
 when I start a new message.

 No, when you start a new message, the cursor should be in the TO: field,
 so you can insert an address. You should be able to tell whether the
 signature part of the template is working, because there will either be
 or not be the signature there.

 Unless the %CURSOR macro is in the template!

I just tried this with a folder that has a folder template and can't
confirm that.

When I use CTRL+N to start a new message, the folder template is applied,
but the cursor is on the input box for the TO field.

Then I tab down thru the rest of the headers to the body, and only then the
cursor jumps to the position where the %CURSOR macro was placed in the
template.

Different thing when you're replying, in that case the TO field is already
filled. :)

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 When I use CTRL+N to start a new message, the folder template is applied,
 but the cursor is on the input box for the TO field.

 Then I tab down thru the rest of the headers to the body, and only then the
 cursor jumps to the position where the %CURSOR macro was placed in the
 template.

 Different thing when you're replying, in that case the TO field is already
 filled. :)

Oh silly me - you're right - I was thinking of the reply template - sorry.

Now back to my puzzle.


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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Marten Gallagher  everyone else,

on 17-Nov-2005 at 21:45 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote:

 folders that are outside an account

You mean common folders?

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 Hello Marten Gallagher  everyone else,

 on 17-Nov-2005 at 21:45 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote:

 folders that are outside an account

 You mean common folders?

I have never understood the term 'common folders'.

They are folders I have created using Folder  Folder etc

They don't get subfolders automatically like account folders do.

They are not virtual folders, they are not the standard folders that get 
created as a set
when a new account is created. They are simply folders I have created to store 
things in.

Does that make them 'common' - I always assumed 'common fodlers' were the ones 
that were
automatically created as sub-folders of an account when a new account was 
created.

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Re: Folder (not account) macros not working

2005-11-17 Thread MAU
Hello Admin,

 OK I've tried all sorts of simple things and the conclusion is that
 macros for folders are not working here.

 This explains why I got confused because I had thought they used to
 work. I suspect this has changed after some upgrade?

I use folder templates quite a bit and they all work just fine.

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Marten Gallagher  everyone else,

on 17-Nov-2005 at 22:10 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote:

 folders that are outside an account

 You mean common folders?

 I have never understood the term 'common folders'.

Common means they are not attached to an account. They are shown
outside the account structure.

Account1
   Inbox
Subfolder1
Subfolder2
   Outbox
   Sent Mail
Account2
   Inbox
...
Common Folder1
Common Folder2

etc.


 They are folders I have created using Folder  Folder etc
 They don't get subfolders automatically like account folders do.

When I do that and the cursor is placed on a common folder, the new folder
becomes a subfolder of the common folder. But I do not know how to keep
normal folders (inside an account) and common folders apart, except from
their position in the list of accountsfolders. :)


 Does that make them 'common' - I always assumed 'common fodlers' were the
 ones that were automatically created as sub-folders of an account when a
 new account was created.

No, those are account folders. Its the other common. :-)

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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 2:36:09 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote:

 Unless the %CURSOR macro is in the template!

are you saying that presence of the %corsor macro kills the signature?

On the other issue, it does not seem like a bug that whenever you hit
ctrl-n or the 'create a new message' icon that it always starts with
the cursor at To:


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Common folders/folders - hidden settings?

2005-11-17 Thread Admin at AK
When I do:

Folder  Common Folder

the new folder gets created in the left-most un-nested positionin he folders 
list.

If I do Folder  Folder

it gets created as a sub-folder of whichever folder/account was highlighted at 
the time.

In the last case, if I then right click and select Move Out, the sub-folder 
becomes
un-nested. It then looks, in the list like a common folder.

BUT does it have some hidden settings somewhere to make it still think it is a 
sub-folder
of the account it happened to be created under - or does it actually just 
become a common
folder because of its position in the list (un-nested, as opposed to Nested)?

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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 2:36:09 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote:

 Unless the %CURSOR macro is in the template!

 are you saying that presence of the %corsor macro kills the signature?

 On the other issue, it does not seem like a bug that whenever you hit
 ctrl-n or the 'create a new message' icon that it always starts with
 the cursor at To:

No - I wonder if our emails have crossed here?

I was getting confused - it happens quite easily with me and TB! - I use the 
%CURSOR macro
in a Reply template so that when the reply orm i created, the cursor sits where 
it should
after the quoted text of the email to which I am replying.

EG:

%QUOTES

%CURSOR

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Webmaster for Broomhill
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.broomhillart.co.uk
Annery Kiln Web Design and Management
++
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Re: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 3:10:42 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote:

 I have never understood the term 'common folders'.

 They are folders I have created using Folder  Folder etc

 They don't get subfolders automatically like account folders do.

 They are not virtual folders, they are not the standard folders that
 get created as a set when a new account is created. They are simply
 folders I have created to store things in.

 Does that make them 'common' - I always assumed 'common fodlers'
 were the ones that were automatically created as sub-folders of an
 account when a new account was created.

I think this whole thread is impossibly confused due to imprecise
descriptions.

When I read 'new message' I thought message created to start a new
thread, by hitting create new message icon. I think someone is writing
'new message' when they are talking about a message which is more
precisely a reply, and triggers a reply template. At least, I can
interpret my initial confusion better is this is part of the source.
Another problem seems to be that this thread keeps breaking and so is
hard to follow.

TheBat! is organized by account, and each account creates it's own
folder structure. This was something which always was not intuitive to
me and I am more comfortable with a system where all my folders are
together. The creation, therefore of common folders was a plus for me.

Common folders are the group of folders (real, not virtual - although
virtual can be either common or belong to an account I think) which
are outside the account structure, and live in another hierarchy.
Depending on how one works with their e-mail, common folders can
create certain problems, such as when one goes to forward or reply,
because they may no longer be linked to the account from whence they
came and this may foul up someone's scheme.

If everyone could have the discussion here using terms of art for what
windows they are looking at, what types of messages they are working
with, what kinds of folders they are in, maybe we could all understand
what each other is talking about, and get further faster.


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Re[2]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 On Thursday, November 17, 2005, 3:10:42 PM, Marten Gallagher wrote:

 If everyone could have the discussion here using terms of art for what
 windows they are looking at, what types of messages they are working
 with, what kinds of folders they are in, maybe we could all understand
 what each other is talking about, and get further faster.

OK sorry if the breaking of messages and imprecision is my fault.

Let me try to explain this again.

I am webmaster for a number of clients on whose behalf I send emails regarding 
their
websites.

I have a number of POP accounts for which I have ACCOUNT folders in the list of 
folders.

I also have a POP account for each [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I have. I.e: usually 
one for
each website that I maintain.

For reasons not necessary to explain here, most of these are set so that email 
addressed
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is re-directed, by the server, to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] is an account set up on my machine here.

When TB receives an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], a series of filters on incoming 
mail
sorts it and sends, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the COMMON FOLDER 'Pinky Blob'.

Now comes the bit that always used to work:

I set the IDENTITY in the properties of the Pinky Blob COMMON FOLDER to the
appropriate settings:

'Webmaster for Pinky Blob' and '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

and I set up the template in the Pinky Blob COMMON FOLDER to have a specific 
signature such
as:

'Regards - Webmaster for Pinky Blob'

So that if I HIGHLIGHTED the Pinky Blob COMMON FOLDER and clicked on the CREATE 
A NEW MESSAGE
icon on the toolbar...

...OR...

...if I replied to a message that had been filtered into the Pinky Blob COMMON 
FOLDER by
clicking the relevant REPLY icon...

...then the new email, or the quoted email ready for writing the reply, would 
open in the
editor window with the FROM line saying whatever had been entered in the 
IDENTITY
properties of the COMMON FOLDER and the message having the SIGNATURE taken from 
the
MESSAGE TEMPLATE or from the REPLY TEMPLATE.

HOWEVER... at an unspecified time in the not too recent past, this seems to 
have changed
and the FROM address is always [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the signature(s) are 
always that
which is set for the [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACCOUNT FOLDER templates.

Sorry to be so long-winded...


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Re[3]: ReplyTo etc Macros problem

2005-11-17 Thread Marten Gallagher
 HOWEVER... at an unspecified time in the not too recent past, this seems to 
 have changed
 and the FROM address is always [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the signature(s) are 
 always that
 which is set for the [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACCOUNT FOLDER templates.

I have just investigated further:

The ACCOUNT details and SUGNATURE that are used for all emails going out - 
whatever
templates and identotied are set in COMMON FOLDERS - is the details and 
signatures for the
ACCOUNT which is currently set as the DEFAULT for mailto URLs - or if no 
account is set as
the default, then it is the account that was last checked as the default even 
though it
may be no longer.

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