Re[2]: Incorrect date on incoming email
David Embrey @ 12/16/2005 8:10:04 AM Incorrect date on incoming email mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been having a problem with incoming mail today. Namely, that the email enters the Inbox with the wrong date, for example, dated 1st January 2002. The result is that the mail is getting filtered into older threads. I've checked with my ISP and they've told me that the mail is dated correctly on the server. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, how can I fix it? It depends on what date. If I remember correctly, the Received date is determined by your computer while the Created date is set by the sender's computer. There have been times when senders' computers have been of, so the Created date is off. If this is the case, e-mail the sender and ask that he or she correct the clock. Also, check your own clock. Hi Thanks for your reply. The date is 1st January 2002. Our TB! is set up on a number of computers around the office, with all of the mail coming through one main account, and then filtered into our different Inboxes. I had already checked the time settings on each machine here, but they're ok. The incorrect time stamp has been attached to numerous emails from different addresses, so it must not be the sender's machine. -Claire Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hello David, On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:10:04 + GMT (16/12/2005, 21:10 +0700 GMT), David Embrey wrote: DE I've been having a problem with incoming mail today. Namely, that the DE email enters the Inbox with the wrong date, for example, dated 1st DE January 2002. The result is that the mail is getting filtered into DE older threads. Please post the Date header here. To make it visible, open the mail in the preview pane or a seperate View winow and hit shift-crtl-K. You will see all headers. Just copy and paste the one that start with Date: and we'll take a look. My first guess is that it is in an incorrect format. Hi, thanks for your reply. Below is the header for an email we received recently. Strangely, in the header the email is dated correctly, i.e., 15th December, but the date stamp on the email in the viewer is the 1st January 2002. -Claire Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from thrall.0x539.de (thrall.0x539.de [62.80.28.10]) by raqhost08.zen.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jBFM7SA15740 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:07:28 GMT Received: from draenor.its-toasted.org ([62.80.28.8] ident=list) by thrall.0x539.de with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1En1Dw-0005pq-1d; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:05:16 +0100 Received: from puli.ermapper-spain.com ([212.81.145.93]) by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1En1Dd-00058P-6Z; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:04:57 +0100 Received: from Spooler by puli.ermapper-spain.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MO005279; 15 Dec 2005 23:04:57 +0100 Received: from spooler by ermapper-spain.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b); 15 Dec 2005 23:02:41 +0100 Received: from MARIA (192.168.0.5) by puli.ermapper-spain.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) with ESMTP ID MG005278; 15 Dec 2005 23:02:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:02:32 +0100 From: MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.63.12 (Beta)) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylisted-at: draenor.its-toasted.org Cc: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Subject: I have another good reason to ask for a Drafts folder, in this case also FOR ME X-BeenThere: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com List-Id: tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com List-Unsubscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 62.80.28.8 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thrall.0x539.de); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-UIDL: 0ZQ!bSB!!$0p!I%Y! Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hi On Friday 16 December 2005 at 2:10:04 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], David Embrey wrote: The result is that the mail is getting filtered into older threads. I thought TB! threaded by references so the date would not matter. True, except for the fact that emails dated 1st January 2002 sometimes get filtered into the More than one year ago threads, and thus we don't see them unless we specifically go hunting for them. -Claire Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Incorrect date on incoming email)
Hallo Claire, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:24:59 +GMT (19-12-2005, 10:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: DE machine. DE -Claire DE DE Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: DE http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Bother! said Pooh, and he twit filtered his moderator. pgpadYGmUX44F.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hallo Claire, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:28:35 +GMT (19-12-2005, 10:28 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DE Below is the header for an email we received recently. Strangely, in DE the header the email is dated correctly, i.e., 15th December, but the DE date stamp on the email in the viewer is the 1st January 2002. As you posted the headers belonging to a list message, I received that message as well. And over here it has been dated correctly. A few things aren't very clear to me. First: Per default TB has two time columns in the message list. Which one shows the wrong date? The Created or the Received date? Second: You're mentioning a setup where one account is collecting all of the mail and your mail is distributed among the other inboxes. How are you managing that? One system that makes the connection to your ISP or multiple systems doing so, but all maintaining the same message base? In the latter case I can imagine conflicts. -- Groetjes, Roelof Function call to load Windows: here_piggy_piggy_piggy_piggy The Bat! 3.62.14 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpAU2YBDLTJP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hallo Claire, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:28:35 +GMT (19-12-2005, 10:28 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DE Below is the header for an email we received recently. Strangely, in DE the header the email is dated correctly, i.e., 15th December, but the DE date stamp on the email in the viewer is the 1st January 2002. As you posted the headers belonging to a list message, I received that message as well. And over here it has been dated correctly. A few things aren't very clear to me. First: Per default TB has two time columns in the message list. Which one shows the wrong date? The Created or the Received date? Second: You're mentioning a setup where one account is collecting all of the mail and your mail is distributed among the other inboxes. How are you managing that? One system that makes the connection to your ISP or multiple systems doing so, but all maintaining the same message base? In the latter case I can imagine conflicts. Hi Roelof, The 'Received' column displays the incorrect date stamp. The 'Created' column displays the correct date. As regards the email setup, my boss (who is conveniently out of the office!) was the one who set up the email, so I'm not entirely sure how the setup works. He originally told me that we only have one TB! account, and all of the email comes in through this one account and is distributed to the individual Inboxes from there. However, I can, for example, click on my Inbox and then connect to the server to download my mail, without download mail for anyone else. Sorry I can't give you more specific (or useful!) information, but as I said, the boss is out of the office. If you need more info, just let me know and I'll try and get him on the phone. Thanks again. -- Claire Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hallo Claire, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:23:07 +GMT (19-12-2005, 11:23 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DE The 'Received' column displays the incorrect date stamp. The 'Created' DE column displays the correct date. Well, that's something. That means the problem is local at your place. But somehow I gathered that you knew that. DE As regards the email setup, my boss (who is conveniently out of the DE office!) That's where I prefer my boss too. DE was the one who set up the email, so I'm not entirely sure DE how the setup works. He originally told me that we only have one TB! DE account, and all of the email comes in through this one account and is DE distributed to the individual Inboxes from there. However, I can, for DE example, click on my Inbox and then connect to the server to download DE my mail, without download mail for anyone else. In that case my assumption that you're using a shared message base could be wrong. Are you using a shared message base or has every TB its own local message base? (Or let's say it different, can you see the accounts of your co-workers in your account tree pane?) DE Sorry I can't give you more specific (or useful!) information, but as DE I said, the boss is out of the office. If you need more info, just let DE me know and I'll try and get him on the phone. I can think of lots of questions that you can answer without your boss: The incorrect dated messages, do they belong the the same account, are they downloaded by the same system, are they per chance downloaded when two systems are downloading their stuff at the same time. -- Groetjes, Roelof I'm never difficult...Impossible maybe, difficult, never. The Bat! 3.62.14 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpCuVwnc1Jla.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hallo Claire, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:23:07 +GMT (19-12-2005, 11:23 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DE The 'Received' column displays the incorrect date stamp. The 'Created' DE column displays the correct date. Well, that's something. That means the problem is local at your place. But somehow I gathered that you knew that. DE As regards the email setup, my boss (who is conveniently out of the DE office!) That's where I prefer my boss too. LOL, I hear you! DE was the one who set up the email, so I'm not entirely sure DE how the setup works. He originally told me that we only have one TB! DE account, and all of the email comes in through this one account and is DE distributed to the individual Inboxes from there. However, I can, for DE example, click on my Inbox and then connect to the server to download DE my mail, without download mail for anyone else. In that case my assumption that you're using a shared message base could be wrong. Are you using a shared message base or has every TB its own local message base? (Or let's say it different, can you see the accounts of your co-workers in your account tree pane?) Um I'm not sure. I can see the accounts of my co-workers in the account tree. DE Sorry I can't give you more specific (or useful!) information, but as DE I said, the boss is out of the office. If you need more info, just let DE me know and I'll try and get him on the phone. I can think of lots of questions that you can answer without your boss: The incorrect dated messages, do they belong the the same account, are they downloaded by the same system, are they per chance downloaded when two systems are downloading their stuff at the same time. I've done a bit of experimenting, and a bit more hunting. None of my co-workers seem to be having this problem, and indeed, my account also seems to be fine. So it's just my boss that is experiencing this problem. I tried sending an email from his account, and also to his account, and checking it on both his PC and my own PC. Emails going to and from his account seem to get stamped with the wrong date - 1/1/2002. So it must be his machine. However, the time settings on his machine seem to be fine. Is there anyway of checking the time settings through TB!, or via an application other than the Date Time in the control panel? Thanks again! -- Claire Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayes filter stop working/re-filter
Hi all. I´ve the Achim´s Bayes plugin working fine until today, when it doesn't filtered any mail. I've have two questions now: 1) How can I fix plugin to start working again? 2) How can I re-run the filtering process to send all those spam mails to the spam folder? Thanks! Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayes filter stop working/re-filter
Hello Jorge, Monday, December 19, 2005, 7:20:18 AM, you wrote: JAB Hi all. JAB I´ve the Achim´s Bayes plugin working fine until today, when it doesn't JAB filtered any mail. I've have two questions now: JAB 1) How can I fix plugin to start working again? JAB 2) How can I re-run the filtering process to send all those spam mails JAB to the spam folder? I have not used Achim, but when I had this problem with a different bayes filter, I uninstlled it, deleted the word list data, re-installed it and then retrained it and it would be fine (until the next time g) Once you get it working again, set a key stroke for the Mark as Spam (and probably the mark as not spam as well). I used Ctrl-Shft-J (for junk g). Then you just highlight the spam messages and use the key code you set up. Other wise you can right click on the selected messages, select specials and then click on 'mark as spam' option. This will send the data to the bayes filter for training and move them to the designated spam destination. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.14 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Someone living in Japan who might be able to help Max (one of the developers)
Hello all, I told Max Masiutin I'd ask on the other lists if there is anyone currently living in Japan who might be willing to accept shipment of some books Max is trying to buy (about Yoga). The shipper will only deliver within Japan so he needs someone to accept delivery and then reship them to Moldova. If you can, please contact (Max AT ritlabs.com) Thanks. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org 7/5th of all people do not understand fractions. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incorrect date on incoming email
Hi, On Monday, December 19, 2005 at 11:23:07 AM, David Embrey wrote: The 'Received' column displays the incorrect date stamp. The 'Created' column displays the correct date. When you go to Options Preferences Messages Date / Time display, what is the value ? Mine is « d mmm ,t ». Maybe it comes from there... -- Ludovic LE MOAL The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bug or feature?
Hello all, The Subject of this message could also have been: 'More arguments to have a separate Drafts folder' I'll start by saying that, if it is a bug, it is a long standing one because the behaviour I'm going to describe applies not only to latest beta 3.63.14, but also to 3.62.14 and even good old 3.02.10, the three versions I have currently installed and that I can easily switch from/to. I have found this as a consequence of the testing done about the Editor 'Message/Save' (Ctrl+S) does nothing bug reported in: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5485 Let's see, when you have the Editor open, aside of the options 'Send' and 'Put in Outbox' you have a 'Save (ctrl+S)' and a 'Save as draft (Alt+F2)'. AFAIK, these the two options 'Save' and 'Save as draft' do the same: save the message in Outbox (not in Drafts folder, because there isn't one) and _Park_ it. The difference between the two options is that while 'Save as Draft' closes the editor window 'Save' keeps it open. So far so good. Before getting onto the inconsistencies, let me point out that the 'Auto-save' feature that can be set in 'Options/Preferences/Viewer editor/Editor preferences' is just an automatic and periodic way of doing a 'Save' and, of course, as it should, it also keeps the editor window open. Let's get to the inconsistencies, peculiarities or buglets. Assume you are editing a message and that you have not included yet the Subject and/or the To field: - If you do a 'Save as Draft' you are warned about a blank subject and not allowed to save a _draft_ with the To field empty. As I have said in some previous message, why can't I save a draft without the To and/or Subject if my message is not yet finished and I am not trying to send it yet? Yes, because drafts are saved in Outbox and not in a separate Drafts folder. - Now, if you instead do a 'Save' (or wait long enough for an Auto-save if you have it configured) you are not warned about an empty Subject or To field. Well, it is actually not required because your editor remains open and, sooner or later, you will either do a Send or a Save as Draft, and then you will be warned. But just you wait Mr. Higgins, just you wait, because you can also do a Message/Cancel (Esc) or click on the X on the top left. What happens then? In the case of 'Save as draft' (if you have reopened the message) and 'Auto-save' (which is supposed to be equal to Save but done automatically) you get a warning that the message you were editing has been saved and you are asked if you want to keep the saved copy (in the Outbox, of course) before closing the editor. But this is not true if you have only done a _manual_ Save, the editor is closed with no warning and the saved copy remains in Outbox. Why? Well, that is no big problem because the Saved copy (in Outbox) is actually Parked. Yes, but if you remove the Parked flag it may be sent unfinished and with an empty subject. It will never go out without a To, not because TB detects it (it will try to send it) but because it will be refused by the smpt server (I'm talking about POP although I assume it would be the same for IMAP) with a reject a message as not properly addressed. And actually, both for Save and Auto-save and also for Save as draft if you have re-opened the message, if while having the editor still open you remove the Parked flag (either intentionally or by accident) and then do a Cancel, you don't get any kind of warning and your now un-parked message (maybe unfinished or without a Subject and/or To) is in the Outbox and ready to be sent. I am fully aware that the probability of these possible 'awkward situations' occurring is minimal. Yes, but they would be absolutely zero, none, nil, nada if a separate Draft folder was used. Believe me, the more I think about it the less I can understand Stephan's opposition to implement a separate Drafts folder. I can understand a reluctance or even opposition to do it now or at least before other pending issues (i.e. fully working IMAP, which I don't use), but I can't understand a 'philosophical' or 'conceptual' opposition. I just can't. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.14 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Incorrect date on incoming email
Friday, December 16, 2005, 9:10:04 AM, you wrote: DE I've checked with my ISP and they've told me that the mail is dated DE correctly on the server. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, DE how can I fix it? Yes, the last time the battery on my motherboard went dead and my calendar/clock was wrong. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\,_ --- (_)/ (_) Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
automatic read receipt stuck in out box
I have just had a message that asked for a read receipt, and The Bat! has put a message in the out box, but it seems stuck there. I have sent a few mails since it made it to the Outbox and it is still there. Can anyone help . Thanks, Graham Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bug or feature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 19 Dec 2005, @ @ at 16:56:14 +0100, when MAU wrote: The Subject of this message could also have been: 'More arguments to have a separate Drafts folder' Or also: Let's play idly and screw up TB even more. [...] Let's see, when you have the Editor open, aside of the options 'Send' and 'Put in Outbox' you have a 'Save (ctrl+S)' and a 'Save as draft (Alt+F2)'. AFAIK, these the two options 'Save' and 'Save as draft' do the same: save the message in Outbox (not in Drafts folder, because there isn't one) and _Park_ it. The difference between the two options is that while 'Save as Draft' closes the editor window 'Save' keeps it open. There are... Ctrl+S which saves the message and keeps editor open (the standard OS' option) Alt+F2 which saves the message as a draft (parks it in Outbox) and closes editor Shift+F2 which saves the message in Outbox, and makes it ready/'free' to be sent ...so everything needed works, and works properly, and as it is designed to. So, it's enough to _use_ those features, hence an inconsistency might exist only on the user level. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 474 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ6cTN7SpHvHEUtv8AQOE+ggAleXlkM+qnvB0pf/unEKVjBEDggMpm0A5 EOyqj3HS7FM5AacnXiRjy+KVOHm4NmGSE6nt1O3F4h6g6CX76TX8ZvoOEhXgAwBQ WW0UjYHg3R+vJ99BIuFI0aj1F21eSwLqsU75B9NFlX8curPuKaj4Np6azLI446PT EGGwd77+P5dFuu9Cf8b/u9c4wEDbF+sVxtv0uCV422qxEm3xLf+zp9xagLwZOr94 y+bX9OfEgI4LPa1roZCjgSO44YgkMbvbg8hT/CyZkEo5La/5ERL69iByfOjj3T6y lIPBaUo/pTa5/Dpanci6AoMXc7szlePuWpg5pMUwvgljB/FKN6Y2zQ== =6uMw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bug or feature?
Hello Mica! On Monday, December 19, 2005, 2:08 PM, you wrote: Alt+F2 which saves the message as a draft (parks it in Outbox) and closes editor http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5485 Bug report on that. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: automatic read receipt stuck in out box)
Hallo Graham, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:21:10 +GMT (19-12-2005, 17:21 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GS Can anyone help . GS Thanks, GS Graham GS GS Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Graham. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator Rule #6: Off-Topic posts are a threat to your manhood. pgp6eJowlfvFZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: automatic read receipt stuck in out box
Hallo Graham, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:21:10 +GMT (19-12-2005, 17:21 +0100, where I live), you wrote: GS I have just had a message that asked for a read receipt, and The Bat! GS has put a message in the out box, but it seems stuck there. I have GS sent a few mails since it made it to the Outbox and it is still there. It shouldn't stay stuck. What happens when you open it with your editor and send it afterwards? Do you see anything awkward when you're looking at the message? -- Groetjes, Roelof It compiled? First screen came up? Ship it!! - Bill Gates The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpmEjtKq0pN3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bug or feature?
Hello Mica, ...so everything needed works, and works properly, and as it is designed to. No, see for example https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5485 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.15 (Beta) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: automatic read receipt stuck in out box
On Monday, December 19, 2005, 2:50:25 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: It shouldn't stay stuck. What happens when you open it with your editor and send it afterwards? Do you see anything awkward when you're looking at the message? they have been staying stuck here. not sure how long, and I didn't think much of it. Don't really like confirmations, and used to always say no, but I get lots of e-mail form a group I'm involved with, and one batch say it is important to them often to get confirmations, so EVERYTHING they send has a confirmation request. I've decided the only way to deal with it is to always confirm. From more than one machine if possible, so I always say yes, then I find bunches of confirmations sitting in the outbox and have to manually send them. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: automatic read receipt stuck in out box
Hello Dwight, It shouldn't stay stuck. What happens when you open it with your editor and send it afterwards? Do you see anything awkward when you're looking at the message? they have been staying stuck here. not sure how long, and I didn't think much of it. Don't really like confirmations, and used to always say no, but I get lots of e-mail form a group I'm involved with, and one batch say it is important to them often to get confirmations, so EVERYTHING they send has a confirmation request. I've decided the only way to deal with it is to always confirm. From more than one machine if possible, so I always say yes, then I find bunches of confirmations sitting in the outbox and have to manually send them. Confirmations will not go out by themselves unless you do a 'Send queued mail' (Shift+F2). Do you mean they don't go out even with a Shift+F2? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.15 (Beta) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: automatic read receipt stuck in out box
Hallo Dwight, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:14:02 -0600GMT (19-12-2005, 22:14 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DAC they have been staying stuck here. not sure how long, and I didn't DAC think much of it. Don't really like confirmations, and used to always Are you doing 'combined deliveries'? Or are you only sending manual? -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows '95 = Mac O/S '84 The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgplGmkC3kAh8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bug orfeature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 19 Dec 2005, @ @ at 21:58:44 +0100, when MAU wrote: ...so everything needed works, and works properly, and as it is designed to. No, see for example https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5485 Well, it indeed reads that _Ctrl+S_ doesn't function properly (in v3.63.14) but it again has nothing with the wish for a separate Draft folder. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 474 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ6cjr7SpHvHEUtv8AQO3SAf9HLoEePxBDru7mvttDGX4/iM7NwJtrn/G i9Ea3Lv5SFKWAp2glcQNJZd1j3GBL9gj4B+i+uQ3uDXGvZiu9aOLVhEff82Yw5ps jUJvXw2vso6ulxh7BibGAktgui60uyhgrFunNJKjkaGX9MSEALivTzvMnYb8SUxE 3qR/Mjw8TKl3uZbCCUSiBJwfVMmEGFOg/kIuHQAnFcHCD0rOVJnz89nxt+l4WH/N QN9Laz0TodNfLy+Vt7uR0TxZ7utsQZ7ZkGznIYlkW78VrmCBJTJ5+YWTFnM4NxYN qbQQEpSvtlU+ENiq59faZF1BNdcwNXZfNJzvTcW1FofkR6vD+5VqEQ== =PC6a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: automatic read receipt stuck in out box
On Monday, December 19, 2005, 3:19:28 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: Are you doing 'combined deliveries'? Or are you only sending manual? It's IMAP account so I don't know what a combined delivery would do, but it is not ticked. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bug orfeature?
Hello Mica, Well, it indeed reads that Ctrl+S doesn't function properly (in v3.63.14) but it again has nothing with the wish for a separate Draft folder. If you think so... -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.15 (Beta) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: automatic read receipt stuck in out box
Hello Roelof, Monday, December 19, 2005, 8:50:25 PM, you wrote: Hallo Graham, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:21:10 +GMT (19-12-2005, 17:21 +0100, where I live), you wrote: GS I have just had a message that asked for a read receipt, and The Bat! GS has put a message in the out box, but it seems stuck there. I have GS sent a few mails since it made it to the Outbox and it is still there. It shouldn't stay stuck. What happens when you open it with your editor and send it afterwards? Do you see anything awkward when you're looking at the message? Well strangely, after several connections that included sending several messages, when it stayed stuck in the outbox, it has now gone. So I'm not sure what the problem was :-( Thanks for your response. --- Graham Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Pre programmed group
Hi Bat Users, I am being asked by a customer to send emails to the same group of people direct and by cc. I am now thinking about the best way to go abou doing that. What I want to achieve is that I just fill in a name say report in the to field and this gets expanded to the right addressees. Can I do this as a addressbook entry, or should I create a macro shortcut? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The good people sleep much better at night than the bad people. Of course, the bad people enjoy the waking hours much more. - Woody Allen= Using The Bat! v3.62.05 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pre programmed group
Hallo Gerard, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:11:49 +0100GMT (19-12-2005, 23:11 +0100, where I live), you wrote: G I am being asked by a customer to send emails to the same group of people G direct and by cc. I am now thinking about the best way to go abou doing G that. G What I want to achieve is that I just fill in a name say report in the to G field and this gets expanded to the right addressees. G Can I do this as a addressbook entry, or should I create a macro shortcut? I'd go for the macro, though you could place all of them in a singles AB group and use AB group templates to address all of them whenever you send a message to a group member. The macro would give you more control, the AB group would be automated. YMMV. -- Groetjes, Roelof '95 - The number of calls to tech support before you can get it to run The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpqwJrXeNIPY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inconsistencies between 'Save' and 'Save as draft'. Bugorfeature?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 19 Dec 2005, @ @ at 22:31:09 +0100, when MAU wrote: Well, it indeed reads that Ctrl+S doesn't function properly (in v3.63.14) but it again has nothing with the wish for a separate Draft folder. If you think so... What I actually think is that is not much important _who_ thinks but _what_ s/he thinks. It leads to a better product, while the former one leads most often just to infertile outwitting. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 474 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ6czFrSpHvHEUtv8AQPtWggAnUW14TX9COJXIM2TncTAw1b+mf2qx/Oe fLiru93WuL5if3F4jTjsSLuNwukUnu4Nk62C9rM8eHYHav5P7OyHUt2sFOltHsL3 LCJ1jLwpPS5C2c+cV9I1XdvfnAuZBSp/9ZRpS17RQ9tuQcOrCanpc6qftXC3SgT6 MI8dYLLDkWDz+eu1VUuQfLnG+zsEDVar+0FqFDuKS9RMjenaCto+H7DxNHC4nplH 99f91uWiVXgebgQBaccjFmE8G12ew8awnAJAS6jPtI4HL6JZpw3crsgz/RdaTPPf djOn5+QIFkJdxMzuyuLRxNvzE3rZb89GmB2Uu5eKiaVaV4pbzx3rqg== =Lycv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pre programmed group
Hello Roelof, G What I want to achieve is that I just fill in a name say report in the to G field and this gets expanded to the right addressees. G Can I do this as a addressbook entry, or should I create a macro shortcut? I'd go for the macro, though you could place all of them in a singles AB group and use AB group templates to address all of them whenever you send a message to a group member. The macro would give you more control, the AB group would be automated. YMMV. ,- [ From TB's current HELP: ] | If you want to write to every member of an address book group then you | can use the Mass Mailing feature. This will create a personal mail to | every member of the group. Alternatively you can type Handle list | into the address field of a message, where Handle is the handle of the | Address book group. The Bat! will resolve this at the point of sending | and will create an identical message to every member of the group. The | advantage of Mass mailing over Group mailing is that Mass mailing will | create an individual mail to every member of the group, resolving | personalising touches at the point of creation. Group mailing will not | do this. `- ,- [ From the new HELP being written: ] | You can send a message to all contacts in one group by using the group's | handle in one of the Receiver fields (To, CC, BCC). The Bat! expands all | addresses into the field when sending. Use the Mass Mailing feature for | a more personal and private approach. `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.15 (Beta) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pre programmed group
Hallo Miguel, On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:54:40 +0100GMT (19-12-2005, 23:54 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M ,- [ From TB's current HELP: ] M ,- [ From the new HELP being written: ] Sure, but those won't work when you're replying to a message. -- Groetjes, Roelof The characters in this message are recyclable The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpbVv2Df5MHp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What happened to my F4 functionality?
I upgraded today to 3.60.07 from 2.12. For a long time, if I highlighted part of a message to which I wanted to reply, only the hightlighted part would be quoted when I hit the F4 key instead of a reply icon. Now, the whole message is quoted. Is there some way of setting this to behave as it did previously? Thank you. Leonard S. Berkowitz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version 3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What happened to my F4 functionality?
Leonard S. Berkowitz @ 12/19/2005 5:08:47 PM What happened to my F4 functionality? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I upgraded today to 3.60.07 from 2.12. For a long time, if I highlighted part of a message to which I wanted to reply, only the hightlighted part would be quoted when I hit the F4 key instead of a reply icon. Now, the whole message is quoted. Is there some way of setting this to behave as it did previously? It works for me in 3.62.14. What is your reply filter? Perhaps you're using the wrong macro... Also, your cut mark is missing the space. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. How can you tell when sour cream goes bad? pgpEo1z0YnC3K.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What happened to my F4 functionality?
Tuesday, December 20, 2005, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote: For a long time, if I highlighted part of a message to which I wanted to reply, only the hightlighted part would be quoted when I hit the F4 key instead of a reply icon. Now, the whole message is quoted. Is there some way of setting this to behave as it did previously? Do you have any %QUOTES macros in your reply templates? -- Urban Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. (Douglas Adams) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What happened to my F4 functionality?
Hello Leonard! On Monday, December 19, 2005, 5:08 PM, you wrote: upgraded today to 3.60.07 from 2.12. For a long time, if I highlighted part of a message to which I wanted to reply, only the hightlighted part would be quoted when I hit the F4 key instead of a reply icon. Now, the whole message is quoted. Is there some way of setting this to behave as it did previously? It's a bug. I was involved on the TBBETA list in its fix. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5149 Try v. 3.62.14 from RitLabs download page, http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.63.15 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is there a expiry time available for chat folders content
Ice cold greetings to tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com from Sweden, Is it possible to use a macro or some yet to discover function in The Bat (using 3.62.14) to handle threads in chatfolders and to remove those threads from the chatfolders whatchlist? What I'm accually after is a-best-before function when some threads hasn't been active for a while I would like them to dissappear automagicaly from the chatfolder. -- Warm salutos from a winterfrosen land, qe3ee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- E fructu arbor cognoscitur --- if this mail has a virus please throw it away and notify me :) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What happened to my F4 functionality?
On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 7:23:12 PM, Chris wrote: C It works for me in 3.62.14. What is your reply filter? Perhaps you're C using the wrong macro... C Also, your cut mark is missing the space. You must be on to something because in this reply to you, it worked. What is a cut mark? Leonard -- Leonard S. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What happened to my F4 functionality?
On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 7:31:17 PM, Urban wrote: U Do you have any %QUOTES macros in your reply templates? Yes. -- Leonard Leonard S. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What happened to my F4 functionality?
On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 8:26:46 PM, Mary Bull wrote: MB Try v. 3.62.14 from RitLabs download page, MB http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php Thanks, but I have paid for the Home edition and this seems to be the Pro edition Leonard -- Leonard S. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What happened to my F4 functionality?
On Monday, December 19, 2005, at 8:26:46 PM, Mary Bull wrote: MB Try v. 3.62.14 from RitLabs download page, MB http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php OK. I downloaded 3.62.14 Home edition and the problem is apparently solved. Thanks, Mary. Leonard -- Leonard S. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Norton and The Bat
When I am receiving email, Norton is watching the temp folder that The Bat uses while it downloads emails. When a virus comes in, Norton pops up 2 windows telling me its there and it will do something about it. So I get these 2 windows per virused email and with all those out there, I can get a bunch. Does anyone else go thru this pain? Is there a way to get around it? I tried making an exclusion in Norton but I can not exclude just the files and do not want to exclude the folder. The Bat tech support says I can not change the folder it uses to download stuff. UGG!!! -- Scott Windows 2000 The Bat 3.60.07 Popfile Spam Filter http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
