System Hot Keys via Command Line?

2003-03-10 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

is there a way to invoke eg the browse ticker functionality via
a command line switch?

Background: I can't waste any usual hot keys for this, thus I'd
like to bind it to a Win+x combination (via WinKey) ... any idea?

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Ctrl+P

2002-12-08 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

the error remains ... maybe we'll be more lucky with 1.63 ;-))

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Re: The-Ctrl+P-Bug

2002-11-16 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

[16.11.2002]

VDE - freeze of focus! Should be reproducable on any platform

 It is on W2K here. But it's no real freeze, it's just a
 focused invisible object that prevents further interaction of
 navigation keys (arrows, tab ...). Using the mouse you can
 easily refetch the focus, albeit I have to confess: this
 ain't more than an ugly work around, the problem should be
 avoided in next upcoming major version.

That would be great. As you might have guessed I already found
several ways to avoid the so called freeze ... ;-

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The-Ctrl+P-Bug

2002-11-15 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

does anybody know whether the Ctrl+P-Error is addressed to be
fixed in the next release?

To sketch the problem again:

- Main window
- message list
- press ctrl+p,
- press escape
- press arrow up or down
- freeze of focus!

Should be reproducable on any platform and is persistent since
1.35 (roughly estimated).

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Re: Killing other subject prefixes than Re:

2002-10-22 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

[22.10.2002]

VDE did anyone already develop a nice macro to kill that outlook
VDE and notes stuff added to the subject line?

 No. It's not possible to edit the subject line (or whatever part of
 incoming messages) with TB, be it automatically or manually.

Isn't it then definitely a point for the wish list? I end up very
often in about ten times with Re: Antwort: Re: ...

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Re: Killing other subject prefixes than Re:

2002-10-22 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

[22.10.2002]

 there seems to be a misunderstanding. You can't edit incoming
 messages, but you can alter the way outgoing messages look.
 There's a macro you can use in your own reply templates, here's
 what I use: [...] More such patterns can be found on the FAQ
 page.

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Killing other subject prefixes than Re:

2002-10-21 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner
Hi Co-Batties,

did anyone already develop a nice macro to kill that outlook
and notes stuff added to the subject line?

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Re: Italian not available despite of intpack?

2002-08-14 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

[14.08.2002]

 doesn't. If you don't have an old copy yourself, you can mail me off
 list and I'll send it to you. But I don't know why RIT removed it.

 perhaps because lng file 1.5X are not fully compatible with lng
 file 1.6. Perhaps the solution for you is here
 http://ginkyo.free.fr/medias/telechargement/LNG_FR_IT_EN_14aout02.zip
 ;-)

Thanx a lot!

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Italian not available despite of intpack?

2002-08-13 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I installed The Bat! on a machine frequently used by Italian
users. Proudly I showed them the intpack which let us choose
different languages including Italian, but after restarting TB
there were many languages, but not Italian.

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Re: Print in main window loses focus

2002-03-29 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

[29.03.2002]

 I knew I wasn't completely crazy. That happened to me today and
 I couldn't figure out what happened. Had to close and re-open.

Usually it works for me to click on another entry - this seems to
reestablish the focus ... hopefuly this annoying thingy will be
repaired one fine day ...

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Edit Shortcuts

2002-03-25 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

nice feature! Is there any way to assign something like End
Del, Home etc.?

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Exclude Signature from reply by --

2002-01-27 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

sometimes the signature of a message is left out, when replying ...
but if I put a -- before my signature it isn't excluded.

What are the specs for the vanishing signature?

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Re[2]: Ctrl+P Error

2001-09-16 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Sunday, September 16, 2001

VDE - Press Ctrl+P for printing that message without opening it
VDE   further
VDE - Press Cursor / Arrow up or down: The focus gets grey and
VDE   there is AFAIK no way to reanimate it ...
VDE I really hope, that some fine day this error will no longer
VDE occur ... thanx in advance.

 Since you're not willing (able) to use the mouse. You
 could use this work around: After printing: don't use an
 arrow-key, but press Tab to change the window in focus,
 press ShiftTab to go back and the problem isn't there.

Yip, you're right - but anyway: Wouldn't it be nice if this
error would be fixed in the next version? ;-))

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Ctrl+P Error

2001-09-15 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

as usual when a new version of The Bat! seems to arise, I'd
like to remember that the Ctrl+P Error still isn't fixed
(since 1.3something).

The following is IMHO reproducable:

- Select a message in Main View of a Folder.

- Press Ctrl+P for printing that message without opening it
  further

- Press Cursor / Arrow up or down: The focus gets grey and
  there is AFAIK no way to reanimate it ...

I really hope, that some fine day this error will no longer
occur ... thanx in advance.

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Re[2]: message.att?

2001-09-13 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

thanx for the infos - it helped a lot!

Cheers,

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Attachments

2001-08-29 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I defined an existing folder for saving attachments to ...
but TB doesn't save the attachments there?!

Anyone with the same problem - or even better: a solution?

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Access Violations

2001-07-04 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

since 1.5x (W2K, SP1/2) I get permanent access violations -
especially when it's minimized to tray ... something like

  Exception EAccessViolation in module TheBat.EXE at ...

I still hoped it would vanish one day - but it remains
(1.53d). Anyone else?

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Re[2]: Access Violations

2001-07-04 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Thursday, July 05, 2001

 I'm using Win2K SP2 and the latest Bat...no problems here.
 I'm pretty sure I installed it as admin..not sure if that
 would affect what you're seeing.

I installed it - and am running it - as admin too ... ;-(

I can't imagine that it's W2K as previous versions (esp.
1.4x) ran fine ... a bug? A leak?

Cheers,

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Re: Password problem!

2001-06-21 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi,

Thursday, June 21, 2001

 Been playing with account and group passwords to
 understand how to best configure multiple users on a
 single computer. I then reset the primary account (which
 seems to act as the administrator, although I couldn't
 find this documented) by deleting the entries in set
 account password. Now, however, I am _always_ prompted
 for a password when starting TB. (It's null so I don't
 enter anything in the password field.) There are no
 passwords on the other two accounts, and I've deleted the
 only Group and it's password. How do I get back to an
 unprompted mode?? Also, is there a way to logoff the
 current user without terminating TB?

I worked around this problem by reinstalling the admin
account, assigning the admin to another user and deleting it
again ...

Cheers,

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Re[2]: Suggestions

2001-01-10 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Wednesday, January 10, 2001

TF So, kindly define "power user" for me to understand who you
TF mean. People who don't use the mouse?

 I hope Vincent doesn't take the bait and answer that question
 on list. I really don't wish for one of those 'power users only
 use the keyboard' type arguments/discussions to start here.
 It's not the place for it. Take it to TBOT or off-line if you
 both, or anyone else desires to further such a discussion.
 Thanks.

I did, sorry, couldn't resist. I don't want this kind of
discussion too - maybe a PM would have done ... as far as I'm
concerned: I'll stop it - no further replies to the "power user"
thread ;-)

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Re[2]: Suggestions

2001-01-10 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Wednesday, January 10, 2001

VDE Deleting Messages = I find Ctrl+Del very
VDE irritating - a simple Del is more logical and wrist
VDE friendly (as it's used more often than deleting a
VDE folder).

 I always simply press delete to delete messages.

VDE ... and if you have to delete 260 messages in one step? You
VDE certainly won't press del when you're on a folder ;-)

 I don't get it. How would TB know which 260 messages to delete if you
 won't tell it by cklicking on them?

I usually park the two or three messages of interest and delete
the rest of the folder (especially mailing list folders).

VDE This might sound a little bit arrogant now, but anyway: I
VDE don't know a single "power user" that uses a mouse more
VDE than once a day ... thus these mouse arguments are quite
VDE irrelevant for me.

 No it's not arrogant, just ignorant g. I hardly use keyboard
 shortcuts (with a few exceptions) and receive an avarage of
 100-200 emails a day (not counting FirstClass Conferences). I
 addition, I spend hours every evening on the PC, what with
 studying software engineering for an MSc and all, and generally
 enjoy being on the computer more than in front of the TV.

 So, kindly define "power user" for me to understand who you
 mean. People who don't use the mouse?

I define "power user" as people who don't want to waste time.
There are several studies showing, that the use of the mouse is
in general for newbies. The reason is quite obvious: If you're
able to use all of your eight fingers and two thumbs on the
keyboard there is no real need to grab the mouse, to move the
pointer, to select the right menu, submenu and item and finally
to click it. This takes in average - according to your
abilities - round about a second. Over all you will be wasting
almost 15 minutes a day "driving around". And what is even worse
IMHO: If you're stuck - mouse is defect, icons disappear etc. -
you don't know what to do to make your apps work like you're used
to.

This BTW is not a spleen of me, it's deriving from own experience
as well as from teaching many people how to use apps effectively
and - proud, proud - I never had a single complaint and even
better: Many people who fell down on their knees and thanked for
know knowing how to work more efficient *and* to save time ...
the brutal truth ;-)))

Cheers,

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Re[2]: Suggestions

2001-01-09 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001

VDE Deleting Messages = I find Ctrl+Del very
VDE irritating - a simple Del is more logical and wrist
VDE friendly (as it's used more often than deleting a folder).

 I always simply press delete to delete messages.

... and if you have to delete 260 messages in one step? You
certainly won't press del when you're on a folder ;-)

VDE Warning Sounds == I would like to turn of the
VDE warning noise and even the messages when deleting files
VDE from a folder or setting them from unread to read.

 If you use a mouse then these warnings are good since it's not
 unusual to accidentally chose the wrong option in the menu
 list. If you're using the keyboard then unintentional input is
 less likely.

This might sound a little bit arrogant now, but anyway: I don't
know a single "power user" that uses a mouse more than once a day
... thus these mouse arguments are quite irrelevant for me.

 I do agree, that all warnings should be made optional for those
 who don't need them.

VDE Printing Problem  There is a funny problem
VDE existing in printing a mail - at least on my system and
VDE when using the main view rather than the folder view. I
VDE usually print mails of interest by reading them in the
VDE preview and then pressing Ctrl+P.

VDE First annoyance: If the cursor resides in the preview
VDE Ctrl+P doesn't work - without any obvious reason.

 One of a few reasons why I don't use the preview window.

But anyway it should work as it's expected to do, ey? ;-))

Cheers,

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Suggestions

2001-01-08 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I dunno whether all of you tend to appreciate the following
ideas, but I wanted to offer them for discussion:


Deleting Messages
=
I find Ctrl+Del very irritating - a simple Del is more logical
and wrist friendly (as it's used more often than deleting a
folder).


Warning Sounds
==
I would like to turn of the warning noise and even the messages
when deleting files from a folder or setting them from unread to
read.


Default Settings

When creating folders there certainly should be something like a
standard or template to be used (for accounts as well as folders
in fact) - I don't like to configure my typical settings for each
account and folder again and again.

At least - and this is IMHO the easiest and maybe even most
comfortable way - it should be possible to select more than one
folder at a time ... imagine: To mark the messages in five
folders as read, you simply mark the folders and press Ctrl+M ...
or imagine what a wonderful world it would be, if you can adjust
the periodical checking by selecting the appropriate accounts and
set the time!

To all sceptics: There is no contradiction in this, as option
differences could be greyed out ...


Printing Problem

There is a funny problem existing in printing a mail - at least
on my system and when using the main view rather than the folder
view. I usually print mails of interest by reading them in the
preview and then pressing Ctrl+P.

First annoyance: If the cursor resides in the preview Ctrl+P
doesn't work - without any obvious reason.

Second annoyance: After the printing every cursor key movement up
or down the list produces a grey highlight behind the mail and
I'm not able to move the selection with the cursor arrows.

Did anyone encounter this too?


I'm using 1.49 by now (starting off with 1.3something long time
ago) and am still actively promoting The Bat! to our customers -
with success ;-))

Go on, pals, let's go another step on the long way to the
ultimate mail client ... ;-

Cheers,

Vince



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/check buggy in 1.49?

2001-01-06 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

since I installed 1.49 the command line '/check* /send*' doesn't
work anymore - The Bat! is simply flashing and neither checks
nor sends anything ... anyone encountered this too?

Cheers,

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Re[2]: /check buggy in 1.49?

2001-01-06 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Saturday, January 06, 2001

Vincent since I installed 1.49 the command line '/check*
Vincent /send*' doesn't work anymore - The Bat! is simply
Vincent flashing and neither checks nor sends anything ...
Vincent anyone encountered this too?

 I'm using /checkALL and it works as usual.

Not here ... in my case

thebat.exe /nologo /check* /send*

or

thebat.exe /nologo /checkall /send*

does result in bringing The Bat! to front - though it should stay
minimized in tray - and doesn't check.

Any ideas?

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The Bat is still unwantedly confirming ...

2000-12-30 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

a week ago I turned the account option for reading confirmation
from "in outbox / confirm action" to "ignore" - since then Batty
(1.48f) is creating reading confirmations unwantedly. How can
this be?

Every single folder doesn't override account's settings ... and
even if it was: It's set to "ignore" too ... I'm quite confused
... ;-(

Cheers,

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Confirmation Receipt

2000-12-22 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

somehow my Bat changed the behaviour of handling the confirmation
receipts - it simply creates each receipt without asking, though
it's in the account settings as well as in every single folder
saying "don't override *and* ignore" - what did I miss?

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envelope-to header

2000-11-11 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

who creates an envelope-to header? I try to configure a program,
which needs this header - but obviously doesn't get one, if I'm
sending mail in ... any ideas?

Cheers,

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Re[2]: Message Columns

2000-11-02 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Januk,

Thursday, November 02, 2000

 I'm also certainly pleased with any idea which might be useful
 to solve my problem ...

 Sorry I couldn't provide more help.

No problem, at least I learned that I didn't misread or forget
something. I think I'll go for your idea with using the default
for almost every folder and redefining a few others ... thanx.

Cheers,

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Re[2]: Message Columns

2000-11-01 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Januk,

Thursday, November 02, 2000

 Absolutely perfect would be a set of standard column settings to
 apply to ... any creative ideas about this?

 I'm not sure what you mean?  My personal preference for the column
 layout is:

 Subject
 Flagging
 Message Flags
 Parking
 Attachments
 From
 To
 Created
 Size
 Received

 You can have a default setting for a given account. Under the
 folder properties, select "Use Account default column settings"
 You need to do this for all folders. Now change the column
 settings in any of the folders where you've enabled this
 option. This sets the default settings for the account.

 Does this answer your question?

Somehow ... maybe I didn't make clearly enough, what I mean, so
I'll give it another try:

There used to be a time, when I thought giving each folder a
simple set of columns which meets the needs of the folder would
be a good idea.

Today I have in general three types of folders:

- mailbox folders (subject first, sorted by subject)
- personal folders (sender first, sorted by sender)
- customer folders (subject first, sorted by creation date)

Now I'm facing the following problem:

Setting all accounts do "use default" would disable me to have
the three types of sorting, especially the mailbox and customer
folders collide.

By time I learned to utilize the different columns, but - what a
shame - I changed the individual settings of so many folders,
that it would be a harsh job to revert every folder manually.

Thus I wondered, whether there might be a simple trick - as a
first step back to proper column setting - to give every folder a
predefined column setting *without* using the "use default"
option ... I'm also certainly pleased with any idea which might
be useful to solve my problem ...

Cheers,

Vince



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Re[2]: Multiple E-Mail Addresses

2000-10-13 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Friday, October 13, 2000

VDE is there any way to choose a sender address when creating a new
VDE message?

MDP Use the View menu in the editor window to expose the From and Reply-To
MDP headers and pick from the drop-downs there. These may be empty on
MDP first usage, but will added to every time you enter a different
MDP address.

Could this by any chance be done while creating a new message?

Cheers,

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Multiple E-Mail Addresses

2000-10-12 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

is there any way to choose a sender address when creating a new
message?

Cheers,

Vince



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Re[3]: Hiding folders

2000-05-28 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Tuesday, May 23, 2000

p let me explain: Originally when I said hiding account folders, I
p meant not listing them while in another account, (the reasoning is
p because we have too many folders in the little top left window
p sometimes) but I do also want to be able to get back to them
p sometimes, and I don't want to have to fight something automagic to
p get back through to them. Maybe this needs to be thought about a
p little more clearly huh? If we've constantly have a auto-hide
p making us do work to get back, then this isn't the idea I had about
p account folders. After all, I do go back and read old mail from
p time to time, if this was taking too much time and we defeat the
p purpose of making things easier, then I would be against it.

Seems some kind of auto-expanding list like in MSO or a simple button
(show all / show active) should do ...

p When discussing account folders, and folders withing each account,
p should they behave different?

Nope ... if a subsubsubfolder has to be shown, the folders leading to
this level - including the account - also should be displayed ...

p The more I think about it, maybe they need to. I do like Vince's
p Original Idea, but maybe more thought needs to go into it. For some
p reason, I can't visualize it at the moment (no I ain't been
p drinking, maybe it's the linux acronyms right now... ) G

I rather think that a visualization of this feature isn't really
needed as the functionality is somehow obvious ... or? ;-)))

Cheers,

Vince

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Hiding folders

2000-05-19 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I just thought that an option would be nice to hide a set of folders
... e. g. I rather seldomly want to see the trash and sent box.

This feature would decrease the length of the folders dramatically ...
hey, another thought: What about having a filter to hide every folder
unused? *sigh* ... yeah, this would be great ...

Comments?

Cheers,

Vince

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Re[2]: Hiding folders

2000-05-19 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Friday, May 19, 2000

VDE I just thought that an option would be nice to hide a set of
VDE folders ... e. g. I rather seldomly want to see the trash and
VDE sent box.
TS Beside these two folders, every other folder can be placed in a
TS folder named "unused" or "unimportant" as a subfolder so you
TS minimize the length of folders two!

Not really ... I already "subfoldered" everything - but still have
almost fifty folders to be displayed ... maybe I should explain this
a little:

I fetch mail from 12 accounts ... some are business, others private
and another three are for mailing lists. Thus the needs are very
different:

The ML accounts are mostly needed to read ... the business ones maybe
should show the sent box too ... and BTW: I don't like it to follow
the subfolders to find e. g. a few new messages.

Now imagine this:

After you fetched mails, The Bat! automatically collapses and
decollapses the folders - that would really be an amazing feature -
at least for me ;-)

VDE This feature would decrease the length of the folders
VDE dramatically ... hey, another thought: What about having a
VDE filter to hide every folder unused? *sigh* ... yeah, this would
VDE be great ...
TS I Think there are a lot more important thigs to add to theBat! but
TS this is up to the programmers of theBat!

To keep a long story short: no and yes. ;-)

Cheers,

Vince

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Purging purges a lot

2000-05-12 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

did anyone notice too that "Purge all folders" since 1.42 purges - in
my case e. g. - sometimes ten times the amount of space the old
"Purge" used to do?

Cheers,

Vince

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Thanks, thanks, 1000 times thanks!

2000-05-05 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

finally ... I'm so happy ... 1.42: It has Ctrl+P for printing
messages!

Thanx to all the people who heard me and managed it! Thanx.

Did I mention that I'm thankful? ;-)

Cheers,

Vince

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Printing sucks

2000-03-22 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

it's annoying, that printing a message from main view disables the
cursor keys and e. g. Ctrl+V - anyone out there who found it annoying
too?

What about the hero who promised to implement Ctrl+P for printing a
message while in main view?

Cheers,

Vince

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Re[3]: Misbehaviour: Win+M

2000-03-17 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Friday, March 17, 2000

VDE I find it quite annoying, that The Bat isn't minimizing to system
VDE tray, when hitting Win+M ... anybody else?

S and it shouldn't minimize there :) only few crazy applications
S minimazing in tray by hitting Win+D or Win+M:)

At least the behaviour of Win+M and Alt-Space/N should be the same -
and as we are able to choose between "minimize to taskbar" and
"minimize to system tray" - ain't we? - it should IMHO minimize to
systray ...

Cheers,

Vince

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Misbehaviour: Win+M

2000-03-16 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I find it quite annoying, that The Bat isn't minimizing to system
tray, when hitting Win+M ... anybody else?

Cheers,

Vince

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1.41 - still problems

2000-03-10 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I really hoped, that the issues - well known since 1.32 something -
would have been fixed - nothing ;-(

To bring it back into focus, try the following:

- Open The Bat
- Move to the message overview:

Printing with Ctrl+P not implemented ;-(((

- okay, Message / Print - it's printed
- now move up or down with a cursor key:

Focus lost! No chance to get it back.

Dear Developers:

Please, please, please try to fix this in 1.42! It's really annoying!

Cheers,

Vince

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Still not working

2000-02-07 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

AFAIK it was said, that Ctrl+P will be provided in "normal" view for
printing a message ... and still there's a bug after printing: Moving
the marker up or down in the list of messages looses focus for the
message window.

Any further information on that matter available?

Cheers,

Vince

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Re[2]: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!

1999-12-10 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

Friday, December 10, 1999

VDE since 1.3 I ask it every release again and again: Why is there no
VDE shortcut for printing in the main view? I hate to go through the menu
VDE every time I want to print a message ... anyone else?

 I understand we can configure our own shortcuts in version 2.

AM You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own. There is no
AM keyboard shortcut provided for printing messages via the main window. You
AM have to use the menu. However, in folder view, the shortcut CTRL+P is
AM implemented and works. There are a couple other things that makes me prefer
AM reading my mail via the folder view window rather than the message
AM auto-view.

But, hey, it can't be a big deal to provide a consistant shortcut behaviour,
thus providing Ctrl+P in main window's auto-view ... or?

BTW: The auto-view is quick and easy - so why should I switch to another mode?
Where are the advantages?

Cheers,

Vince

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Bat 1.38 - Corrupt File?

1999-12-09 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

I downloaded the new version from several locations - but when extracting the
files it keeps on telling me, that the archive is corrupt ... anyone else
encountered this problem?

Cheers,

Vince

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Short Menues!

1999-12-01 Thread Vincent - D. Ertner

Hi Co-Batties,

suddenly some entries disappeared from the menues! How did this happen?

Cheers,

Vince

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