Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hi Marck, Thanks for jumping in on this one. On Friday, November 03, 2000 @ 23:49:33 +, you wrote the following about "A Question about Distribution Lists" Marck [...] You would address a mail to "janrif list" (no Marck quotes). The mail would retain that addressing Marck syntax, even in the sent folder. The word "list" in Marck angle brackets is leterally a part of the required Marck syntax. Marck The messages at destination would appear as "To: Marck addr1, addr2, addr3, addr4" where each of the "addrN" Marck addresses would be of the full "RealName" Marck [EMAIL PROTECTED] as held in the address book Marck group. [...] In my experiment: JR Group = Jan Rifkinson JR handle = janrif JRWithin the group: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mail was sent only to the last 2 addresses. Hm. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jan, On 03 November 2000 at 18:16:39 GMT -0500 (which was 23:16 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points: JR [...] TB only uses multiple addresses in the address book by JR addressing a message to *all* addresses listed, either JR directly of in BCC. It is more appropriate in the TB JR universe to have a separate AB entry for each address [...] JR I'm trying to resolve a question that I've posted under the JR subject "AB group". Yes, I've been following the thread but have not much to add to what has been said. JR I create an AB group of people. I just did the same. The group was called "Tester" and had the handle "test". It contained 3 members (myself and my partners, all local to the LAN here, but that is immaterial). JR I address an email to the group. I did that. The "To:" appeared as "test list". JR Can TB! parse the name of the group into the individual address JR within the group? Although it appears not to have done so, it does it perfectly well. JR If so, what is the proper way to address the group? I have not JR been successful with this. The proper way is to address the mail as being to "GroupHandle list" JR As an experiment, I created the following: JR Group = Jan Rifkinson JR handle = janrif JR Within the group: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR If I want to address an email to the group, what do I do? I don't JR seem to be the only person with this problem. You would address a mail to "janrif list" (no quotes). The mail would retain that addressing syntax, even in the sent folder. The word "list" in angle brackets is leterally a part of the required syntax. The messages at destination would appear as "To: addr1, addr2, addr3, addr4" where each of the "addrN" addresses would be of the full "RealName" [EMAIL PROTECTED] as held in the address book group. The mail I just tested with worked perfectly as described. I hope that is of some help. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Headline - Safety Experts Say School Bus Passengers Should Be Belted TB! v1.48 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOgNPDTnkJKuSnc2gEQL9TACgi5vjYwTLLKyakWwOnokW6KIq+5wAniy4 +TArguPmLlfmrOz91I1DPraW =m+2H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hello Mark, M Address the message to "My friends" [EMAIL PROTECTED] M then put all of your friends' addresses (or the name of the address M book group) in the BCC header. If you can't see that, then enable it M from the menu option "View -- Blind CC". Thank you very much for the trick, I suppose it was more a RFC thing than a TB! thing, so thank you very much for your time. Do you know if it is possible to automatize the task? I mean that when you send a message to a address book group, it appears automatically "From: Benito", "To: My Friends", "BCC: my friends group". -- Best regards, Benito Carral, [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hello Benito, On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 at 11:07:25 GMT +0100 (which was 2:07 AM where I live) witnesses say Benito Carral typed: Do you know if it is possible to automatize the task? I mean that when you send a message to a address book group, it appears automatically "From: Benito", "To: My Friends", "BCC: my friends group". Try using the following in your Group's address book template: %BCC="%TOLIST" %To=""%To='"My Friends" [EMAIL PROTECTED]' If you want to get a bit fancier and also make any CC'd recipients BCC, then use: %BCC="%TOLIST;%CCLIST" %To=""%CC=""%TO='"My Friends" [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Note that if you first type anything in the message body then do the addressing, this automatic change will not happen. The template must be called for the switch to occur. Templates are not automatically called if the body has changed. Also note that if you send a message to any *single* individual who is in that group, this template might be invoked. It might be better to put the above in a quick template and call the QT manually any time you want to perform the switch. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, On Sunday, October 29, 2000 @ 03:36:51 +, you wrote the following about "A Question about Distribution Lists": Marck [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Marck BTW: I have added "nospam" to your address above Marck since all postings to this list get published on the Marck web in the TBUDL message archive and I wouldn't like Marck you to be the victim of spam-bot address harvesters Marck [...] This is not directly about TB! but can you explain this "nospam" thing. I'm not sure I understand how this works. Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOf1wcZccVS5MnN+dEQJiQQCfebn/Po6ULd4AuJ9jgUo3yuOak/AAoMNh QMTw7e3XnWeubz70VHapavi4 =NnZ+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hello Jan Rifkinson, On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:58:13 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, October 30, 2000, 12:58:13 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR This is not directly about TB! but can you explain this JR "nospam" thing. I'm not sure I understand how this JR works. Mail the modified address. When you get an undeliverable message you'll understand how it works. -- Jamie Dainton On Monday, October 30, 2000 at 13:36:29 The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey I thought I had a back-up, but she refused to type it in again. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jan, On 30 October 2000 at 07:58:13 GMT -0500 (which was 12:58 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points: Marck [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Marck BTW: I have added "nospam" to your address above since all Marck postings to this list get published on the web in the TBUDL Marck message archive and I wouldn't like you to be the victim of Marck spam-bot address harvesters [...] JR This is not directly about TB! but can you explain this "nospam" JR thing. I'm not sure I understand how this works. Sure. There are various unsavoury folk "out there" who maintain vast databases of email addresses. They sell them to those organisations who want to engage in unsolicited email marketing, or "spamming" as it is more commonly known. These databases are populated by using "bots" (automated data acquisition agents) to trawl web sites and UseNet for anything that looks like an email address and grabbing it. By seeding a published address with ".nospam", it is effectively soured for spam-bots and rendered useless in the address databases. HTH. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Headline - Include your Children when Baking Cookies TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOf1/WDnkJKuSnc2gEQLVFgCfWuYbp0YlPJPy19MWemjHlgy90awAoPXq q1X4xthfanomfEO7LDnHNBrk =nBf4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hi Marck, On Monday, October 30, 2000, 14:02:00, you wrote, Marck By seeding a published address with ".nospam", it is effectively Marck soured for spam-bots and rendered useless in the address databases. I may be mistaken but isn't it still possible for them to harvest e-mail addresses that have obvious anti-spam additions to the e-mail address? -- Kevin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hi Marck, On Monday, October 30, 2000 14:02:00 + in reference to "A Question about Distribution Lists" you wrote: Marck By seeding a published address with ".nospam", it is Marck effectively soured for spam-bots and rendered useless Marck in the address databases. So, to be clear, does that mean that you just insert ".nospam" to confuse the bots or is that a real address? Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. 203-431-1691 ICQ 41116329 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kevin, On 30 October 2000 at 14:26:52 GMT + (which was 14:26 where I live) Kevin wrote and made these points: Marck By seeding a published address with ".nospam", it is effectively Marck soured for spam-bots and rendered useless in the address databases. K I may be mistaken but isn't it still possible for them to harvest K e-mail addresses that have obvious anti-spam additions to the e-mail K address? Although it is possible, I don't think that they bother. Taking a freely published address is "fair game". Manipulating a masked address of an individual who is clearly asking not to be bothered is an absolute infringement of that individual's rights. I know, I know :-), how can unscrupulous address harvester folk have any scruples at all? They have to present as a genuine business at certain levels. Believe it or not, spammers actually believe they provide a legitimate and necessary service! - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOf2KeTnkJKuSnc2gEQJO9ACfeMGV1mEHqhxjdMTfWaUVs9e3wG8An20g 4Zu9fZQkYmVePX/LA01zqyI7 =GlGg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jan, On 30 October 2000 at 09:32:49 GMT -0500 (which was 14:32 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points: Marck By seeding a published address with ".nospam", it is Marck effectively soured for spam-bots and rendered useless Marck in the address databases. JR So, to be clear, does that mean that you just insert JR ".nospam" to confuse the bots or is that a real JR address? Yes and no ;-). Yes, it's just to confuse the bots. No, it's not a real address. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOf2LuTnkJKuSnc2gEQJ3+wCeKeZ58NE1ehOJjer3+EijTdRpuBsAnjJl IC+E9sVLMSaim7DLyN/Z2xt+ =O/NQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Monday, October 30, 2000, 14:49:29, you wrote, M Hi Kevin, K I may be mistaken but isn't it still possible for them to harvest K e-mail addresses that have obvious anti-spam additions to the K e-mail address? M Although it is possible, I don't think that they bother. Taking a M freely published address is "fair game". Manipulating a masked address M of an individual who is clearly asking not to be bothered is an M absolute infringement of that individual's rights. As I'm sure you've noticed I don't 'munge' my e-mail address at all, surprisingly I receive very little spam, at least compared with others, guess I'm just lucky, now I've said that I'll probably be deluged with the stuff. M Believe it or not, spammers actually believe they provide a M legitimate and necessary service! Oh, I believe it. It's the best way for them to justify wasting everyone elses time and in some cases money. -- Kevin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: A Question about Distribution Lists
[about SPAM and being lucky..] As I'm sure you've noticed I don't 'munge' my e-mail address at all, surprisingly I receive very little spam, at least compared with others, guess I'm just lucky, now I've said that I'll probably be deluged with the stuff. I guess your ISP is filtering SPAM.. (just as mine does). That's why some /have/ and some /have not/ much SPAM. And as discussed here before, you can use filters in TB! to prevent yourself from SPAM. A! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
On 10/30/2000 at 8:01 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP It's a matter of where it appears. The archives for this list do not MDP show contributor's addresses but addresses in the body of a message MDP would appear. It is worth noting that the way in which you're munging the address is poor for a couple of reasons. First, most harvesting programs *are* smart enough to eliminate things like ".nospam." out of an address. Second, there actually is a nospam.com. This means you're actually bouncing your spam for some other poor bastard's system to deal with...or worse, giving them nice demographic data. The best way (per the email RFCs) to munge your address is to change your TLD (com, net, org, etc.) to "invalid". My address, for example, would become [EMAIL PROTECTED] Compliant mailing programs would have code written in to reject such an address, and even failing that, the domain won't resolve at all so the spammer gets an immediate bounce message. While it's true they can brute-force it by changing the "invalid" part to "com", "org", "net" and trying them all, there's no evidence that they do so. At least you're not just handing your spam to someone else. So what's the safest way to munge your address within the message, but still let other people know who you are? Easy; you don't give an address, but rather instructions as to how to repair the one in the header..."Replace 'invalid' with 'com'" in the above address. Alternately, you can do what I do in my usenet postings, and put something like "geo *AT* snarksoft *DOT* com". Geo -- George Mealer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... it is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer." -- Sun System Network Admin manual -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hi Marck, On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, at 15:03:12 [GMT +] you wrote: JR So, to be clear, does that mean that you just insert JR ".nospam" to confuse the bots or is that a real JR address? MDP Yes and no ;-). Yes, it's just to confuse the bots. No, it's not a MDP real address. Actually Marck nospam *is* a registered domain .com .co.uk .net .org.uk and .org are all registered. -- Charlie (ceejay) Wales (UK) PGP key ID:0xFCCC248C -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A Question about Distribution Lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Charlie, On 30 October 2000 at 19:37:50 GMT + (which was 19:37 where I live) Charlie (ceejay) wrote and made these points: MDP Yes and no ;-). Yes, it's just to confuse the bots. No, it's not a MDP real address. Cc Actually Marck nospam *is* a registered domain Cc .com .co.uk .net .org.uk and .org are all registered. I stand corrected. Make that "It's not /supposed/ to be a real domain". As someone else said, ".invalid" could be used, or even '.leavmealone' or '.spammenot' or '.bad' or any darned thing you like. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: Someday wemay discover how to make magnets that can point in any direction. TB! v1.47 Halloween Edition S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOf3akznkJKuSnc2gEQLevQCgqnE9yA1tLmJi473bnchw3RBaKX8An2bs X3h7DD0+pQ6O8f0dZw8HXIP3 =MzeJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
A Question about Distribution Lists
Hello, I would like to send a message to a list and that when a person read it, he/she doens't read in the "TO" field each one of the addresses of my list, just something like "My Friends" or similar. I know how to do this with Pegasus Mail but I have not found the way to do it with TB!. Thank you very much for your time and Help. -- Best regards, Benito mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
