Re[2]: AVG/TB limitations and issues
On Saturday, August 31, 2002, 10:17:31 PM, ETM wrote: E My current AV is notifying me when it receives Klez, etc., usually E cleaning and restoring mail. Do I understand correctly that AVG E does not have that capability? AVG will notify you. The only thing it won't do is *certify* messages - that is, it will not insert a line or two at the end of your email stating that it has been run through AVG found to be clean. IOW you will still have antivirus protection; you just won't be advertising your av protection in every email :-) Deborah Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 at 15:48:22 [GMT +0700], you wrote: TF Security through obscurity? I don't know what an embedded message TF is. I have never come across this term in the RFC's. I can only TF assume that it means the same as above - a plaintext message is TF not scanned. This is no problem. I may be wrong, and this is only a guess, but I've received messages where there was a .eml inside it, double click that, it opens in TB, and another .eml is embedded in that one. Double click it, and you finally get to the real message. That's the only thing I can think of. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: One live brain cell away from being a talking monkey. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello ETM, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, at 13:49:09 [GMT -0400] (which was 1:49:09 PM in NY, USA) ETM wrote: Limitations Plugin doesn't certify messages due to a nature of the anti-virus plugin interface of The Bat!. The plugin is called only on message attachments. Outgoing messages are scanned since a version 1.61 of The Bat! I think AVG normally could insert a brief message that certifies that your message has been scanned before it was sent. The plug-in will not allow it to do this. Further, I think they may be explaining this badly as I believe for AVG to be able to do this, it would have to be a plug-in to TB rather than just a scanning plug-in. But if you know they're being scanned before leaving your pc, couldn't one certify them one's self? Known issues Embedded messages are not currently scanned. According to producers of The Bat!, this problem should be fixed in the version 1.62 of The Bat! As Leif mentions, these are nested messages. And I believe nested messages are actually scanned (after all they are attachments themselves). But what do not get scanned are the the attachments of those nested messages. So, better stated (assuming I am correct, of course) the AVG plug-in cannot read below the first level of attachments. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello James On Saturday, August 31, 2002, you wrote As Leif mentions, these are nested messages. And I believe nested messages are actually scanned (after all they are attachments themselves). But what do not get scanned are the the attachments of those nested messages. So, better stated (assuming I am correct, of course) the AVG plug-in cannot read below the first level of attachments. My current AV is notifying me when it receives Klez, etc., usually cleaning and restoring mail. Do I understand correctly that AVG does not have that capability? I am not quick to open unknown items but I also don't want to jump from what appears to be protective to perhaps a not-so-protective AV program, or do I totally misunderstand what they are saying? Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello ETM, On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, at 17:17:31 [GMT -0400] (which was 5:17:31 PM in NY, USA) ETM wrote: My current AV is notifying me when it receives Klez, etc., usually cleaning and restoring mail. Do I understand correctly that AVG does not have that capability? It will catch them. It's caught every one here so far and I get a lot of them sent my way...except those that are attached to nested messages. Klez uses this method as well and it also happens simply as a result of using your email address to mail somehwhere that bounces 'your' message back to you. Nasty little thing that Klez is. I am not quick to open unknown items but I also don't want to jump from what appears to be protective to perhaps a not-so-protective AV program, or do I totally misunderstand what they are saying? I use two -- Panda and AVG. I use AVG only because of Klez and the fact that Panda can't scan TB messages for some reason. I could get by without it for sure. But it's nice to have those hundreds and hundreds of Klez messages filtered for me automatically. Plus, AVG is the only other scanner besides Panda that I have used that doesn't miss something. I am not referring to this nested message business. Rather, I mean if I put 50 collected viruses in a folder and scan them with several AV apps, only AVG and Panda have caught them all. Those others that people seem so enamored with miss things left and right here. Elaine -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello ETM, On Saturday, 31. August 2002 at 17:17:31 [GMT -0400] you wrote: My current AV is notifying me when it receives Klez, etc., usually cleaning and restoring mail. Do I understand correctly that AVG does not have that capability? I am not quick to open unknown items but I also don't want to jump from what appears to be protective to perhaps a not-so-protective AV program, or do I totally misunderstand what they are saying? Thats right. AVG cant, as the most AV clean a particular Mail. it moves the infected mail into a special folder. I prefer that, because so i vcn still read the message itself, which is harmles. Later i just delete the message - thats all, or i only delete the attachment. That is the way i prefer it and because of that i love AVG in combination with TheBat. -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62/Beta1 System: Windows XP 2600 PGP: PGPckt 6.58 Build: 08 | Key: 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://mirror.at/thebat/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG/TB limitations and issues
I am considering changing my AV program. I noticed these limitations on the AVG website. Can someone expand on the ramifications of these statements? Many thanks in advance. Elaine Limitations Plugin doesn't certify messages due to a nature of the anti-virus plugin interface of The Bat!. The plugin is called only on message attachments. Outgoing messages are scanned since a version 1.61 of The Bat! Known issues Embedded messages are not currently scanned. According to producers of The Bat!, this problem should be fixed in the version 1.62 of The Bat! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Sh'mae The, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, at 13:49:09 [GMT -0400] (or 18:49 in Wales) regarding 'AVG/TB limitations and issues' you wrote: E I am considering changing my AV program. I noticed these E limitations on the AVG website. Can someone expand on the E ramifications of these statements? Many thanks in advance. E Limitations E Plugin doesn't certify messages due to a nature of the anti-virus plugin E interface of The Bat!. The plugin is called only on message attachments. Do you really want another load of text on the bottom of your emails advertising AVG and certifying to the world what version of the updates you are running? I know people who use AVG who haven't updated it in 6 months and this advertises it to the world. Could be dodgy I use AVG and I don't miss it E Outgoing messages are scanned since a version 1.61 of The Bat! As long as you're using 1.61 then not a problem. E Known issues E Embedded messages are not currently scanned. According to producers of The E Bat!, this problem should be fixed in the version 1.62 of The Bat! Only for mime digests etc, or groups of messages in each other. Though, as it says the new version fixes this. I've thought about changing a few times but AVG works well. Bear in mind though, I am lucky to have a local mail server with a different package for a belt and braces approach. Personally... i think the limitations are minor. Your mileage may vary, of course! A -- | 30 August 2002, 19:02 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://new-wales.net | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGP Public Key Request | I hate my cubicle! Hey! I CAN knock these walls over Email traffic scanned with AntiVir Mail Gateway for Linux Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hi Elaine, on Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:49:09 -0400GMT (30.08.02, 19:49 +0200GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : E Embedded messages are not currently scanned. According to producers of E The Bat!, this problem should be fixed in the version 1.62 of The Bat! I'm sorry not to be able to answer your actual question, but how about updating The Bat!? Your X-mailer header states yours is 1.60c. ;-) -- Cheers Peter PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Winamp currently playing: Don Williams - (Turn Out The Light And) Love Me Tonight Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
On Friday, August 30, 2002, you wrote As long as you're using 1.61 then not a problem. E Embedded messages are not currently scanned. According to producers of The E Bat!, this problem should be fixed in the version 1.62 of The Bat! Only for mime digests etc, or groups of messages in each other. Though, as it says the new version fixes this. I've thought about changing a few times but AVG works well. Bear in mind though, I am lucky to have a local mail server with a different package for a belt and braces approach. Thanks, Adam. I am not interested in the advertisement-certification feature grin so that was not a problem. I am using 1.60c -- that does concern me about the plug-in. I haven't upgraded because it taint broke and so I wasn't interested in fixing it. I received a *lot* of private OE mail from subscribers to my mailing lists, often infected, my current AV and TB are fending them off nicely. I don't think I can trust my cable mail server for protection. Is the fact that I am not using 1.61 a requirement here? Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
On Friday, August 30, 2002, you wrote I'm sorry not to be able to answer your actual question, but how about updating The Bat!? Your X-mailer header states yours is 1.60c. ;-) As I just mentioned to Adam, my TB is working so well, I haven't been inclined to fix it when it wasn't broke. Are there exceptional reasons for upgrading? Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi ETM, on Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:33:01 -0400GMT (30.08.02, 20:33 +0200GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : E As I just mentioned to Adam, my TB is working so well, I haven't been E inclined to fix it when it wasn't broke. Are there exceptional E reasons for upgrading? No, not really. The Bat! supports Greek characters now, but that's not what you need, is it? I just thought that perhaps your antivirus problem may have been solved, but I don't know... ;-) -- Cheers Peter PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Winamp currently playing: David Allen Coe - Coffee Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Sh'mae The, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, at 14:31:28 [GMT -0400] (or 19:31 in Wales) regarding 'AVG/TB limitations and issues' you wrote: E Thanks, Adam. I am not interested in the E advertisement-certification feature grin so that was not a E problem. I am using 1.60c -- that does concern me about the E plug-in. I haven't upgraded because it taint broke and so I E wasn't interested in fixing it. I received a *lot* of private E OE mail from subscribers to my mailing lists, often infected, my E current AV and TB are fending them off nicely. I don't think I E can trust my cable mail server for protection. Is the fact that E I am not using 1.61 a requirement here? I wouldn't say a requirement but I certainly haven't found anything broke here when going from 1.60 to 1.61. Have a nose at the changelog to see if anything affects you! a. -- | 30 August 2002, 20:38 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://new-wales.net | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGP Public Key Request | Debate politics with a fern. If you lose, refuse to water it. Email traffic scanned with AntiVir Mail Gateway for Linux Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
