Re: Automating backup?
Hello Thomas, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 4:17:01 AM, Thomas Andersson wrote: TA Is there a way to use the Windows scheduler or make TA The Bat! perform a backup every time I exit the program? Yes is the short answer. The batch file below will create a rotating grandfather, father, and son backup. You may want to copy one set of the backup files (i.e. program mail base either in zip or 7z format) to another name to create a base line set of files. So here is what I did. 1) Need a compression utility with command line capability. I used 7-Zip, http://www.7-zip.org/, other have used WinRar. 7-Zip is a FREE compression utility. I've test it successfully many times. It has saved my bacon sort to speak a few times. 2) Placed copy of the backup batch file in program directory. It is important to understand this backup batch file backs up all 3 critical areas of TB which are the program directory, the mail directory, and RIT registry in windows. Depending upon what OS you are using (i.e. NT version) you may have to provide additional rights to the user to facilitate backing up ALL 3 critical areas. I use 2 types of users on WinXP Pro which are admin and limited user belonging to power user group. See the batch file below. 3) Create a shortcut to a batch file which starts TB and the backup batch file created in #2 above. It is important that in the shortcut properties in start in you put the program directory of TB otherwise TB will run concurrently with the backup. You don't want the backup to start until you exit which the start in issue clears up. See the batch file below. Thanks to Marck I've made some changes to his batch file to coincide with my configuration of having my TB program and mail base on separate partitions/drives. I should also state there were some other nuances in Marck's batch file that did not work for me. This maybe how my PC's configured or who knows (ie. my mistake?). I believe Lief also provided some help on programs running concurrently. IIRC Marck's batch creates a base line grandfather which does NOT change. I didn't like this logic because I wanted the rotating version of the grandfather/father/son backup. In response to Marck I should also comment up front that I use the 7z compression format rather than the zip format used in Marck's batch file. So depending upon which compression utility you use you will have to make the appropriate changes to the batch file. Some people use Winrar where I used 7-Zip which is a free compression utility available on the web at http://www.7-zip.org/. Using the 7-Zip compression utility using the UPDATE feature on a mail base of approximately 910 MB and 10 MB of program directory took approximately 4 minutes to do an incremental backup which facilitates backing up on exit. I tested the batch by deleting all remnants of TB from system (ie. program directory, mail directory, registry) and restoring which also took about 4 minutes on the 910 MB mail base. These times can vary depending upon the change in the mail base. I believe I left echo on as provided by Marck in his original version. However you may want to turn it off after you are confident any changes made work properly for your configuration of TB on your PC. I am the only users on this PC, however IIRC for newer users who have recently installed TB with multiple profiles I believe the mail base changes for each user. So multiple versions of the shortcut and backup file will be required for each user on a PC that desires a backup. --#2 Incremental TB Backup Batch File (Name: TBigfs.bat)- cd \ Path C:\Windows;C:\Program Files\7-ZIP rem Echo off Echo on Echo *** Echo *!! Updating Backup !!* Echo * !! Archive of TB-Program !! * Echo *** rem set archiver=C:\Program Files\7-Zip\7z.exe set drvPm=c: set drvBU=x: set dstdir=TBArchives\ set srcdirPM=Program files\The Bat!\ set srcdirMl=AppsBase\MAIL\ set archive=b1 : :loopPgrm set namePgm=%dstdir%tbIcPm%archive%.7z if not exist %drvBU%\%namePgm% goto doitPg if %archive%==b4 goto runoutPg if %archive%==b3 set archive=b4 if %archive%==b2 set archive=b3 if %archive%==b1 set archive=b2 goto loopPgrm : :runoutPg set archDel=b1 set nameDel=%dstdir%tbIcPm%archDel%.7z del %drvBU%\%nameDel% : :doitPg regedit /e %drvPm%\%srcdirPM%tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit cd \ if %archive%==b4 set prev=b3 if %archive%==b3 set prev=b2 if %archive%==b2 set prev=b1 if %archive%==b1 set prev=b4 %drvPm% cd \ copy %drvBU%\%dstdir%tbIcPm%prev%.7z %drvBU%\%namePgm% 7z u -ms=off %drvBU%\%namePgm% -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 %srcdirPM%* -r %drvPm% cd %srcdirPM% del tbreg.reg cd \ if %archive%==b4 set archDel=b1 if %archive%==b3 set archDel=b4 if %archive%==b2 set archDel=b3 if %archive%==b1 set archDel=b2 set namePgm=%drvBU%\%dstdir%tbIcPm%archDel%.7z del %namePgm% %drvBU% cd \ cd %srcdirMl% Echo
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Greg, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 10:00:15 PM, you wrote: GS I am not running notepad. I'm running 7-Zip command line interface. Just simplifying example to a bare minimum. A And running it at the command line, should leave The Bat! application A running, the Command Prompt window still running, and it will await A you until The Bat! closes. GS My tests were in sharp contrast to this last statement. 7-Zip continued GS to run the backup from the command line WHILE TB was open, and did NOT GS wait until TB closed. Sorry then. I can't duplicate that effect on any OS I tried. Unless you mean that you started TB yourself. And then ran the exact backup file you posted. In which case, the presumed question I am guessing may be, how to tell if TB was running, and quit it. Which is not the same question as I followed from this thread. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automating backup?
Hi list! Is there a way to automate the backup procedure? I cannot seem to find anything in The Bat! scheduler. Is there a way to use the Windows scheduler or make The Bat! perform a backup every time I exit the program? Thanks to all the listees who helped me with [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can see the reslult below! Cheers Thomas -- Thomas Andersson - Sweden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Running The Bat! 2.10.03 on Windows XP Build number 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 319 Processing time: 142 days, 23 hours. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0420-4, 2004-05-14 Tested on: 2004-05-16 11:17:03 avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hallo Thomas, On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:17:01 +0200GMT (16-5-04, 11:17 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TA Is there a way to automate the backup procedure? TA I cannot seem to find anything in The Bat! scheduler. Not yet, IIRC it's been promised, but that doesn't any good right now. TA Is there a way to use the Windows scheduler or make TA The Bat! perform a backup every time I exit the program? There are some list member using an automated back-up, but that's using a third party program, like rar or zip. What's handy in such cases is to export the register settings for TB to a file on disk. That can be done with this command: C:\windows\regedit.exe /e C:\TheBat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\RIT The rest is up to you. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Thomas, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 4:17:01 AM, Thomas Andersson wrote: TA Is there a way to automate the backup procedure? TA I cannot seem to find anything in The Bat! scheduler. See Roelof's reply per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TA Is there a way to use the Windows scheduler or make TA The Bat! perform a backup every time I exit the program? I use a free compression utility called 7-Zip (v 3.13) which you can download from http://www.7-zip.org/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/. I use to do an incremental backup every time I booted with the Windows Scheduler. I don't believe TB has a method to call a batch file on exit, so something may have to created to meet this need, or someone can correct me if I'm wrong. The nice thing about the batch files is they backup the program directory, mail base directories, and registry, so everything is backed up from a working installation. IIRC I revised an incremental backup Allie posted for rar files to 7-zip's command line version. My present mail base is approximately 890 MB. The incremental backup generally takes 1 to 3 minutes to run depending upon how much change has occurred in the mail base since the last time it was run. I'll post the batch file below and you can modify to your TB configuration. I also use a grandfather, father, son backup routine which Marck posted on TBOT. This keeps the grandfather backup and rotates the father / son backup. It is a complete backup from start to finish, and takes about 20 minutes to run on my PC (P4 2.4 Ghz with 500 MB RAM). I'll post the batch file below and you can modify to your TB configuration. If TB has no way to call a batch file on exit, does anybody know how to create this functionality? ===Incremental b/u TB.Bat Path C:\Windows;C:\Program Files\7-ZIP;C:\Program Files\The Bat! regedit /e X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit copy X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg @Echo off Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! * Echo * Mail located in X:\AppsBase\MAIL* Echo * (Mail Base is X:\TBArchives\tbMail7z.7z) * Echo x: cd x:\ 7z u -ms=off x:\TBArchives\tbMail_X_7z.7z -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 AppsBase\MAIL\* -r Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of The Bat! !! * Echo * Program located in C:\Program Files\The Bat! * Echo * (Program is X:\TBArchives\tbPgm7z.7z)* Echo c: cd c:\ 7z u -ms=off x:\TBArchives\tbPgm_C_7z.7z -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 Program Files\The Bat!\* -r x: cd X:\TBArchives del tbreg.reg c: cd C:\Program Files\The Bat! del tbreg.reg ===Incremental b/u TB.Bat ===Grandfather/Father/Son b/u TBgfs.bat== Path C:\Windows;C:\Program Files\7-ZIP;C:\Program Files\The Bat! @Echo off Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of The Bat! !! * Echo * Program located in C:\Program Files\The Bat! * Echo * (Program is X:\TBArchives\tbPgmb#.7z)* Echo set dstdir=X:\TBArchives\ set srcdirPm=Program files\The Bat!\ set srcdirMl=AppsBase\MAIL\ set archive=b1 : :loopPgrm : set namePgm=%dstdir%\tbPrgm%archive%.7z if not exist %namePgm% goto doitPg if %archive%==b4 goto runoutPg if %archive%==b3 set archive=b4 if %archive%==b2 set archive=b3 if %archive%==b1 set archive=b2 goto loopPgrm : :runoutPg : set archive=b1 set namePgm=%dstdir%tbPrgm%archive%.7z del %namePgm% : :doitPg : X: cd %dstdir% regedit /e %dstdir%tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit 7z a %namePgm% tbreg.reg C: cd C:\ 7z a %namePgm% %srcdirPm%* -r del %dstdir%tbreg.reg if %archive%==b4 set archive=b1 if %archive%==b3 set archive=b4 if %archive%==b2 set archive=b3 if %archive%==b1 set archive=b2 set namePgm=%dstdir%\tbPrgm%archive%.7z del %namePgm% @Echo off Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! * Echo * Mail located in X:\AppsBase\MAIL* Echo * (Mail Base is X:\TBArchives\tbMailb#.7z) * Echo set archive=b1 : :loopMail : set nameMl=%dstdir%\tbMail%archive%.7z if not exist %nameMl% goto doitMl if %archive%==b4 goto runoutMl if %archive%==b3 set archive=b4 if %archive%==b2 set archive=b3 if %archive%==b1 set archive=b2 goto loopMail : :runoutMl : set archive=b1 set nameMl=%dstdir%tbMail%archive%.7z del %nameMl% : :doitMl : x: cd x:\ 7z a %nameMl% %srcdirMl%* -r if %archive%==b4 set archive=b1 if %archive%==b3 set archive=b4 if %archive%==b2 set archive=b3 if
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Greg, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 2:11:50 PM, you wrote: GS I also use a grandfather, father, son backup routine which Marck posted GS on TBOT. This keeps the grandfather backup and rotates the father / son GS backup. It is a complete backup from start to finish, and takes about 20 GS minutes to run on my PC (P4 2.4 Ghz with 500 MB RAM). I'll post the GS batch file below and you can modify to your TB configuration. GS If TB has no way to call a batch file on exit, does anybody know how to GS create this functionality? No problem. TB is just one program in your batch file. Put it at the top, and the rest of the commands will run along after. What was the Subject of the original discussion on Tbot? GS ===Incremental b/u TB.Bat GS Path C:\Windows;C:\Program Files\7-ZIP;C:\Program Files\The Bat! GS regedit /e X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit GS copy X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg This can't be from a working batch file. Since many of your pathnames are not quoted. So the later ones should fail. GS @Echo off GS Echo GS Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! * GS Echo * Mail located in X:\AppsBase\MAIL* GS Echo * (Mail Base is X:\TBArchives\tbMail7z.7z) * GS Echo GS x: GS cd x:\ GS 7z u -ms=off x:\TBArchives\tbMail_X_7z.7z -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 AppsBase\MAIL\* -r What would be the meaning of this part? -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Adam, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 1:51:21 PM, Adam wrote: ... snip GS If TB has no way to call a batch file on exit, does anybody know how to GS create this functionality? A No problem. TB is just one program in your batch file. Put it at the A top, and the rest of the commands will run along after. I want to run the batch file AFTER TB exits not after I start TB. A What was the Subject of the original discussion on Tbot? Re: c0t0d0s0, WAS: Re: EULAs etc... per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GS ===Incremental b/u GS TB.Bat GS Path C:\Windows;C:\Program Files\7-ZIP;C:\Program Files\The Bat! GS regedit /e X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit GS copy X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg A This can't be from a working batch file. Since many of your pathnames A are not quoted. So the later ones should fail. You are correct on the copy X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg everything else seems to be working fine. GS @Echo off GS Echo GS Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! * GS Echo * Mail located in X:\AppsBase\MAIL* GS Echo * (Mail Base is X:\TBArchives\tbMail7z.7z) * GS Echo GS x: GS cd x:\ GS 7z u -ms=off x:\TBArchives\tbMail_X_7z.7z -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 AppsBase\MAIL\* -r A What would be the meaning of this part? Those are all the switches in 7-Zip command line to do the incremental backup. See the help file subjects of u (Update) command and -u (Update options) switch. Works great. To test I've completely wiped my system and completely restored TB in minutes. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Quoting Abe Lincoln: You can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but not all the people all of the time. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Greg, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 2:36:55 PM, Greg Strong wrote: A This can't be from a working batch file. Since many of your pathnames A are not quoted. So the later ones should fail. GS You are correct on the copy X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg everything else GS seems to be working fine. Well I just wiped my system clean using Eraser on the files and deleted RIT key in registry and completely restored all 890 MB mail base plus program directory in about 5 minutes. I would say that is a working batch file. So revised incremental backup file TB.bat=== Path C:\Windows;C:\Program Files\7-ZIP;C:\Program Files\The Bat! regedit /e X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit copy X:\TBArchives\tbreg.reg @Echo off Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! * Echo * Mail located in X:\AppsBase\MAIL* Echo * (Mail Base is X:\TBArchives\tbMail7z.7z) * Echo x: cd x:\ 7z u -ms=off x:\TBArchives\tbMail_X_7z.7z -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 AppsBase\MAIL\* -r Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of The Bat! !! * Echo * Program located in C:\Program Files\The Bat! * Echo * (Program is X:\TBArchives\tbPgm7z.7z)* Echo c: cd c:\ 7z u -ms=off x:\TBArchives\tbPgm_C_7z.7z -up0q0r2x1y2z1w2 Program Files\The Bat!\* -r x: cd X:\TBArchives del tbreg.reg c: cd C:\Program Files\The Bat! del tbreg.reg TB.bat=== -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 (1) Grab a calculator (you won't be able to do this one in your head). (2) Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area code). (3) Multiply by 80. (4) Add 1 (5) Multiply by 250. (6) Add the last 4 digits of your phone number. (7) Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again. (8) Subtract 250 (9) Divide number by 2. Do you recognize the answer? Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Greg, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 3:43:23 PM, Greg Strong wrote: GS If TB has no way to call a batch file on exit, does anybody know how to GS create this functionality? A No problem. TB is just one program in your batch file. Put it at the A top, and the rest of the commands will run along after. GS I did try this but the command box window closed before exiting the TB. GS Any other ideals. Probably a good way to corrupt your mail base because compression continues to run while program is open and running. :-) I don't think this is a good ideal! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Without Time, everything would happen at once Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Greg, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 6:13:23 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Adam, GS Sunday, May 16, 2004, 1:51:21 PM, Adam wrote: GS If TB has no way to call a batch file on exit, does anybody know how to GS create this functionality? A No problem. TB is just one program in your batch file. Put it at the A top, and the rest of the commands will run along after. GS I did try this but the command box window closed before exiting the TB. GS Any other ideals. Huh? I'd have to, shrug here. Take a batch file like this. File batch-tb.bat: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe C:\WINNT\system32\notepad.exe It will not launch Notepad, until I quit The Bat! myself. If batch files were going to go on to the next command, before they finished the last one, then you'd get a notice about Copying Files Completed, when it only just started. And you could be deleting all your files, before they get copied. It'd be chaos. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Adam, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 6:00:39 PM, Adam wrote: A It'd be chaos. I tried it twice. The batch file continued to run after TB started. What can I say? If you don't believe me and have WinXP Pro, then take my batch file and place in c:\program files\the bat!, download 7-Zip, and run it yourself. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 There are no guarantees in life. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Greg, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 9:09:41 PM, you wrote: GS I tried it twice. The batch file continued to run after TB started. Yeah, that is what should happen. So it can run more commands later. GS What GS can I say? If you don't believe me and have WinXP Pro, then take my I wouldn't be so bold as to say I don't believe you :-) GS batch file and place in c:\program files\the bat!, download 7-Zip, and GS run it yourself. I didn't see a reference about running The Bat! in your batch file. So I am not sure if I follow so well now. Maybe you can explain. I did note you set the path in your batch file. So in that case, if you ran it. And you were at the command line, adding only this in a batch file: thebat.exe notepad.exe And running it at the command line, should leave The Bat! application running, the Command Prompt window still running, and it will await you until The Bat! closes. Maybe the intention was a bit different as you were interpreting in running the 100 line program you posted. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating backup?
Hello Adam, Sunday, May 16, 2004, 7:20:02 PM, Adam wrote: A I didn't see a reference about running The Bat! in your batch file. So A I am not sure if I follow so well now. Maybe you can explain. I added it after you mentioned it to try your suggestion. A I did note you set the path in your batch file. So in that case, if A you ran it. And you were at the command line, adding only this in a batch A file: A thebat.exe A notepad.exe I am not running notepad. I'm running 7-Zip command line interface. A And running it at the command line, should leave The Bat! application A running, the Command Prompt window still running, and it will await A you until The Bat! closes. My tests were in sharp contrast to this last statement. 7-Zip continued to run the backup from the command line WHILE TB was open, and did NOT wait until TB closed. A Maybe the intention was a bit different as you were interpreting in A running the 100 line program you posted. My intention was to run 7-Zip command line (i.e. backup TB) after TB exit. It simply didn't work like you suggested because 7-Zip ran while TB was still open. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 The only sure things in life are death and taxes. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
